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Pitt scheduling philosophy and recruiting

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This is a tired subject, but I believe it is overdue for Pitt to rethink its non-conference scheduling philosophy, and not because I think early season schedules are hurting ticket sales (flagging expectations of being able to compete for championships are), but because of recruiting strategies that need to be adjusted in the wake of conference realignment.

Not having regular games with schools Philly, NYC, and DC is certainly is not helping Pitt in recruiting. Whether it is hurting Pitt's recruiting can be debated (and I personally think it is hurting), but it certainly can't be helping. I don't think irregularly scheduled special early season event/tournament games in MSG, which everyone is doing these days, is going to cut it as far as making up for not having regular games against SJU, SHU, RU and at MSG every year.

If Pitt can't get home-and-homes with Villanova, St. John's, or Georgetown (and I see no reason why these schools would do us any favors), I think at this point that we need to move on and go ahead and schedule long term home-and-home series with the next highest profile programs willing to deal with us in the Big Five, DMV (UMD or GW), and New York metro (like Seton Hall, Rutgers, perhaps even Manhattan...maybe the latter in a 2-for-1). This is in addition to continuing to schedule as many pre-season tournaments or special event games in MSG or Barclays as possible.

Prior to the ACC money coming in, the $250K or more that Pitt would collect from including lower/mid tier games in its home scheduled season ticket package might have been justified...such was the awful state of the athletic department's finances. Not that Pitt's AD is swimming in money now, but the ACC should be relieving a bit of the strain where you could maybe give up a pre-conference home game (or two). Now, that 250K number I came up with may be on the low end of what it actually is when considering corporate or media money...I don't know...but I think we have to make more of an effort to get back into these regions with long-term home-and-home series with schools in those areas which you can point to with recruits as playing in front of their home town crowd. Adding extra road games and you lose between one and two home games a year, but I highly doubt those are going to keep people from buying season tickets anyway. But in any case, I think scheduling philosophy has to become part of the recruiting strategy now that we are somewhat isolated geographically from our traditional northeast recruiting grounds. If that means stepping down to play home-and-homes with George Washington instead of Georgetown or Temple/St. Joe's instead of Villanova, so be it.

This isn't new, I've been advocating this since we announced that we were leaving the Big East, but I think we've waited long enough and now, and with better conference money coming in, it is time to give up some home game cash security for some additional presence in recruiting territories that we undoubtedly wish to remain active in. And I think this should be a higher priority than having teams like WVU or PSU on the schedule.

Ok, that is my morning thought for the day.
 
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This is a tired subject, but I believe it is overdue for Pitt to rethink its non-conference scheduling philosophy, and not because I think early season schedules are hurting ticket sales (flagging expectations of being able to compete for championships are), but because of recruiting strategies that need to be adjusted in the wake of conference realignment.

Not having regular games with schools Philly, NYC, and DC is certainly is not helping Pitt in recruiting. Whether it is hurting Pitt's recruiting can be debated (and I personally think it is hurting), but it certainly can't be helping. I don't think irregularly scheduled special early season event/tournament games in MSG, which everyone is doing these days, is going to cut it as far as making up for not having regular games against SJU, SHU, RU and at MSG every year.

If Pitt can't get home-and-homes with Villanova, St. John's, or Georgetown (and I see no reason why these schools would do us any favors), I think at this point that we need to move on and go ahead and schedule long term home-and-home series with the next highest profile programs willing to deal with us in the Big Five, DMV (UMD or GW), and New York metro (like Seton Hall, Rutgers, perhaps even Manhattan...maybe the latter in a 2-for-1). This is in addition to continuing to schedule as many pre-season tournaments or special event games in MSG or Barclays as possible.

Prior to the ACC money coming in, the $250K or more that Pitt would collect from including lower/mid tier games in its home scheduled season ticket package might have been justified...such was the awful state of the athletic department's finances. Not that Pitt's AD is swimming in money now, but the ACC should be relieving a bit of the strain where you could maybe give up a pre-conference home game (or two). Now, that 250K number may be on the low end when considering corporate or media money...I don't know...but I think we have to make more of an effort to get back into these areas with long-term home-and-home series with schools in those areas which you can point to with recruits as playing in front of their home town crowd. Alternating the road games with teams in these areas and you lose between one and two home games a year that aren't likely going to keep people from buying season tickets anyway. But in any case, I think scheduling philosophy has to become part of the recruiting strategy now that we are somewhat isolated geographically from our traditional northeast recruiting grounds. If that means stepping down to play home-and-homes with George Washington instead of Georgetown or Temple/St. Joe's instead of Villanova, so be it.

This isn't new, I've been advocating this since we announced that we were leaving the Big East, but I think we've waited long enough and now, and with better conference money coming in, it is time to give up some home game cash security for some additional presence in recruiting territories that we undoubtedly wish to remain active in. And I think this should be a higher priority than having teams like WVU or PSU on the schedule.

Ok, that is my morning thought for the day.
My thoughts to a t, and I also said that at that time,too.]
 
I have said this before... advocating yearly home and home with UConn and Temple... and playing one of our two games each year against Cuse... at MSG.... but in the interview with Dixon a week or so ago... he touched on the schedule and essentially said he was happy with it so.... I don't expect any change here in the foreseeable future.
 
I wouldn't read too much info Dixon's comment,zara.
Next time you hear a coach talk about what a weak schedule they have this year will be the first.
good point, every coach thinks their opponent is great.. Pitt could be playing me you and NTOP and Dixon would say it will be a monumental challenge, its coachspeak. Dixon plays the RPI game, I believe he over thinks it but im not an AD or a coach so what do I know. I've said before, OOC losses don't hurt, at all. I gave the example of pitt awhile back, it was Gil Brown's senior year (I remember because he was suspended for cheating or something). Regardless, pitt played Indiana at MSG and got smoked, lost a couple other games in dec/nov and team looked like hell. Come January, they rattled off 4 or 5 big east wins and found themselves ranked in the mid teens by late January.. This isn't college football where 1 or 2 losses early will ruin your season.

You don't have to play Michigan state on some naval ship at sea but a couple decent P5 teams or stronger mid majors over the likes of Niagara, holy cross, and fgc would be nice. Actually keep the December games against florida teams and get rid of st. bonaventure
 
I have said this before... advocating yearly home and home with UConn and Temple... and playing one of our two games each year against Cuse... at MSG.... but in the interview with Dixon a week or so ago... he touched on the schedule and essentially said he was happy with it so.... I don't expect any change here in the foreseeable future.

Do I understand your post correctly? Are you suggesting that we should play one of our games at against Syracuse at Madison Square Garden?
 
Why would scheduling games in NYC, Philly, or Washington help recruit in those areas? There are plenty of schools that do successfully recruit in those places that never play a game in any of those cities. Is a home and home with Villanova or Temple a good idea? Sure it is, but I doubt that playing a game in Philadelphia helps recruiting in that city. The importance of the game(s) is that it raises the program's profile nationally. Virginia has recruited the Philadelphia region for decades, and the upcoming contest (next year) with Villanova will be the first in ages it has played in Philadelphia. Furthermore, if you want to focus on a metropolitan hot-bed of scholastic basketball, you would be better served by looking to Atlanta. Or, even Memphis.
 
Do I understand your post correctly? Are you suggesting that we should play one of our games at against Syracuse at Madison Square Garden?

Yes... opening up our ACC season as a matter of fact.... over the holidays when the students are on break.

Cuse would have to go for it also... and it would mean we would lose one ACC home game every other year... as would Cuse.

I posted this idea months ago.... LOL... SMF said it was the first good idea he could remember me coming up with (he has a short memory.. LOL).

Surprised you didn't see this when I originally posted it.
 
I would like to see improvement in the OOC - as it is better for the success of the program. Scheduling a perennial mid-major and a couple of P5 teams for a home and home series sets a pretty clear expectation and goal for your team. It doesn't have to be a true "murder's row" (e.g. Witchita St, Michigan State, and Florida) in a week's time in December, but solid opponents that will require your squad to treat it like an NCAAT game/match-up. If you lose a game, lose early - not late. I believe that making a commitment to a series of annual match-ups with other solid programs would send a message to recruits "we expect you to come here, and not be afraid to compete with anybody". Traveling for singleton games is a tough sell - because you are ultimately trying to sell two fan bases that this is the right thing. MSG is a historic venue, but IMHO I don't know that seeing your program makes a special trip to play somebody there each year would tip the scales in your favor to land a recruit. Gonzaga is a great start this year...I just wish it wasn't such a commute...
 
Out of all the teams mentioned, I think home and home's with Temple and UConn would be the most beneficial.
 
Scheduling with teams in the east (home&homes) like temple and Villanova , etc... would not only help for Visibility in east, but also more importantly the RPI (and getting better teams to play in the Pete for the fans and ticket sales).

Remember, having one or two less cupcake home games (like eliminating a game like central Arkansas state i.e.) and having a good team coming in or two like temple,Uconn, etc. would create more interest for the city and fans.

Quality over quantity to an certain extent.

Go Pitt ...
 
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I posted this idea months ago.... LOL... SMF said it was the first good idea he could remember me coming up with (he has a short memory.. LOL).

It was a dumb idea when you first proposed it. The fact that SMF agreed should have given you second thoughts.

There is a zero percent chance that Pitt is going to give up a home game against Syracuse to play that game at MSG instead. And there is even less of a chance that Syracuse would go for it. Why on earth would Syracuse give up a 25,000-plus attendance home date to play a semi-home game at MSG? Why would Pitt give up a sold out home game for a semi-away game at MSG?

Your idea makes literally no logical sense.
 
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Scheduling with teams in the east (home&homes) like temple and Villanova , etc... would not only help for Visibility in east, but also more importantly the RPI (and getting better teams to play in the Pete for the fans and ticket sales).

Remember, having one or two less cupcake home games (like eliminating a game like central Arkansas state i.e.) and having a good team coming in or two like temple,Uconn, etc. would create more interest for the city and fans.

Quality over quantity to an certain extent.

Go Pitt ...

Exactly RMUHF!

Dixon is trying to keep up our visibility in NYC by playing one game a year at MSG.... but playing Davidson there does almost nothing. Playing Cuse there would be a big thing because Cuse is trying to be NY's team... and the fans would be out... maybe more than they would get at the Dome especially over the holidays.

But, IMO that would still not be enough for us to be a significant option for players in the eastern PA and NYC metro areas.... so adding home and home with UConn and Temple.... should pretty much do that... along with maybe one game a year at MSG against the Davidson's of this world.

But... like I said earlier in this post... in his interview a week or so ago... Dixon essentially said he is not going in that direction and instead is happy with his OOC schedule as it is.

And then he just might be wondering where he is gonna get better than 3 star recruits as that is all he has been able to bring in recently.
 
Actually, if you look at the schedule in December as it is now... we got...

Dec 1: Purdue
Dec 4: Duquense (CEC)
Dec 6: Central Arkansas
Dec 11: Eastern Washington
Dec 13: Morehead State
Dec 20: Davidson (MSG)
Dec 23: Western Carolina
Dec 30: Cuse
Jan 2: Maryland Eastern Shore

I got no problem with Gonzaga followed by 4 cupcakes in November.... gives you some time to get your team up to speed... but the 3 competitive games in December are significant but the 5 MORE cupcakes to me... is a WIMP schedule. All's playing those games does is allows you to pad your record and increase the HYPE... when in truth NOBODY of significance is impressed... particularly the NCAA selection committee.

Yeah, if you look at the official site there is so much hype there it is enough to make you throw up.

Would be better if we had yearly games with UConn and Temple... every year indefinitely... with one of those games at home and one on the road... replacing any two of the cupcakes up there.. and then the game against Cuse at MSG.

But nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.... don't hold you breath on this IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
 
Actually, if you look at the schedule in December as it is now... we got...

Dec 1: Purdue
Dec 4: Duquense (CEC)
Dec 6: Central Arkansas
Dec 11: Eastern Washington
Dec 13: Morehead State
Dec 20: Davidson (MSG)
Dec 23: Western Carolina
Dec 30: Cuse
Jan 2: Maryland Eastern Shore

I got no problem with Gonzaga followed by 4 cupcakes in November.... gives you some time to get your team up to speed... but the 3 competitive games in December are significant but the 5 MORE cupcakes to me... is a WIMP schedule. All's playing those games does is allows you to pad your record and increase the HYPE... when in truth NOBODY of significance is impressed... particularly the NCAA selection committee.

Yeah, if you look at the official site there is so much hype there it is enough to make you throw up.

Would be better if we had yearly games with UConn and Temple... every year indefinitely... with one of those games at home and one on the road... replacing any two of the cupcakes up there.. and then the game against Cuse at MSG.

But nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.... don't hold you breath on this IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
Every team does that, and I don't think scheduling one or two games in NYC would guarantee any more 5 star players than not playing one or two games in NYC would.
 
Yes... opening up our ACC season as a matter of fact.... over the holidays when the students are on break.

Cuse would have to go for it also... and it would mean we would lose one ACC home game every other year... as would Cuse.

I posted this idea months ago.... LOL... SMF said it was the first good idea he could remember me coming up with (he has a short memory.. LOL).

Surprised you didn't see this when I originally posted it.
That would only serve to aggravate season tix holders by removing a big home game. NOT a good idea. Despite our strong showing for years against them....and in MSG, generally.....it'd give them 2 "home" games that year against us. Makes no sense....the Pete is our home.
 
I also like the idea to play Cuse at MSG every year. One year its our home game, the next, its theirs. The game would always sell out and when its our home game, we could use the extra revenue to bus 1000 students to and from the game to make it feel more like a home game. I know thinking outside the box scares a lot of people but if its more money (19K at MSG at higher prices is more than 12.5 at the Pete) and more visibility, maybe it makes sense. Plenty of football schools give up home games to play at neutral sites (Tex/OU, A&M/Ark, etc). I heard the announcer say that since it was an Ark home game at JerryWorld, they could host recruits. At a Pitt home game at MSG, we could have 50 recruits from NYC/NJ/NE Prep on hand. Outside the box. Scary I know.

I believe PSU is playing a home game against Mich at MSG which is really thinking outside the box. I like ideas like this. Giving up a home game vs Syr isnt ideal but we coukd make more money playing Syr at MSG than at the Pete and it would be an event every year. It would be like 2 road games against them I know but every other year, we also avoid the Carrier Dome, though thats pretty much our home away from home.
 
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I also think it would be a cool idea (this was someone else's idea I must admit) to play Cuse at MSG every year. One year its our home game, the next, its theirs. The game would always sell out and when its our home game, we could use the extra revenue to bus 1000 students to and from the game to make it feel more like a home game.

I believe PSU is playing a home game against Mich at MSG which is really thinking outside the box. I like ideas like this. Giving up a home game vs Syr isnt ideal but we coukd make more money playing Syr at MSG than at the Pete and it would be an event every year. It would be like 2 road games against them I know but every other year, we also avoid the Carrier Dome, though thats pretty much our home away from home.

Umm ... no.
 
If we're in the tourney this year (which we absolutely should be), will be interesting to see how we're seeded. I think Gonzaga and Purdue are good enough opponents for us not to get screwed over in the seedings yet again. I know the actual seed shouldn't matter, but they always throw some other jab at Pitt. The worst in my opinion was being the higher seed and in the second round playing Wisconsin in Milwaukee. In no way should that ever have been a possible scenario.
 
If we're in the tourney this year (which we absolutely should be), will be interesting to see how we're seeded. I think Gonzaga and Purdue are good enough opponents for us not to get screwed over in the seedings yet again. I know the actual seed shouldn't matter, but they always throw some other jab at Pitt. The worst in my opinion was being the higher seed and in the second round playing Wisconsin in Milwaukee. In no way should that ever have been a possible scenario.

I agree that our seeding that year was very poor and inappropriate.

However, ever since, our seeds have been relatively fair, and even in some cases, a little better than expected.
 
I wouldn't mind playing Syracuse at MSG. I can not stand the Carrier Dome.
 
And Paco, we dont schedule cupcakes to sell more season tickets at higher prices. Those games have very little value to a season ticket package plus you have to pay the other team to come in. Those games are solely for RPI gaming. They are part of the NCAAT formula. Bettet to beat Rider than lose to Miss St. on the road.
 
Bettet to beat Rider than lose to Miss St. on the road.
One of the things wrong with college hoops right there. We don't have the luxury of scheduling like Tom Izzo does at MSU, but it usually pays off for them. I don't care who we play, I'll support the team and as long as we win, we're one step closer to our ultimate goal.
 
we are scared to death to give up a home game EVERY OTHER YEAR to play Syr at a sold-out MSG, a game that would net us more than playing it at The Pete.

I attended the Pitt/OKSt game at MSG a few years ago. It was a ghost town. I would be willing to bet quite a sum of money that a Pitt/Cuse game at MSG would not sell out, and certainly not sell out any more than once. In that sub-capacity crowd, you'd likely see a split of 70-30 Cuse fans. If you have ever attended any BET games where Cuse played, you'd know that they travel exceptionally well. Are you seriously comparing a Pitt-Cuse game at the Pete to a PSU-Mich game in State Penn? This is absolutely moronic.

The only option for MSG is some annual event with UConn, and make it a double-header. You are seriously exaggerating Pitt's draw there. Maybe if the ACC held some annual "kickoff" event around New Years, and had a double header to start the conference season, that might make some waves. Pitt being the only team giving up a critical home game would be insane.
 
The only option for MSG is some annual event with UConn, and make it a double-header.
Does anyone else agree with me? I think the ACC could claim the title of best hoops league in America for years to come if UConn were to be invited and join.
 
Does anyone else agree with me? I think the ACC could claim the title of best hoops league in America for years to come if UConn were to be invited and join.

Frankly, the ACC doesn't need UConn to do that. It remains to be seen if UConn can continue the success they had under Calhoun. What the ACC really needs to do is elevate their mid-level and low-level teams. That was the strength of the Big East.

Miami, Syracuse, Pitt, Clemson, and FSU all finished between 10-8 and 8-10 and missed the tournament. More even play (and lack of dreadful OOC losses) puts those teams back in NCAA consideration.

They also can't tolerate the awful state of the bottom 4 in recent years. I think Buzz will turn VT around, but WF and BC may continue to be trainwrecks.
 
It remains to be seen if UConn can continue the success they had under Calhoun.
Hard to not agree with that point, however they have already won a national championship with Ollie as coach. I just think adding another team with a history of winning championships would make the ACC legendary in terms of their teams histories.
 
I attended the Pitt/OKSt game at MSG a few years ago. It was a ghost town. I would be willing to bet quite a sum of money that a Pitt/Cuse game at MSG would not sell out, and certainly not sell out any more than once. In that sub-capacity crowd, you'd likely see a split of 70-30 Cuse fans. If you have ever attended any BET games where Cuse played, you'd know that they travel exceptionally well. Are you seriously comparing a Pitt-Cuse game at the Pete to a PSU-Mich game in State Penn? This is absolutely moronic.

The only option for MSG is some annual event with UConn, and make it a double-header. You are seriously exaggerating Pitt's draw there. Maybe if the ACC held some annual "kickoff" event around New Years, and had a double header to start the conference season, that might make some waves. Pitt being the only team giving up a critical home game would be insane.
I flew to NYC to catch the Indiana/Pitt game at MSG. Pitt had the fewest fans there (or at least the quietest) from amongst Indiana, Georgetown and Butler. Butler had a lot of fans there, and they were pretty vocal. Indiana had the most fans by far (and they sucked that year), Georgetown was probably second, because they could train ride up from DC. I was actually surprised to see the huge block of Butler fans there.
 
I also like the idea to play Cuse at MSG every year. One year its our home game, the next, its theirs. The game would always sell out and when its our home game, we could use the extra revenue to bus 1000 students to and from the game to make it feel more like a home game. I know thinking outside the box scares a lot of people but if its more money (19K at MSG at higher prices is more than 12.5 at the Pete) and more visibility, maybe it makes sense. Plenty of football schools give up home games to play at neutral sites (Tex/OU, A&M/Ark, etc). I heard the announcer say that since it was an Ark home game at JerryWorld, they could host recruits. At a Pitt home game at MSG, we could have 50 recruits from NYC/NJ/NE Prep on hand. Outside the box. Scary I know.

I believe PSU is playing a home game against Mich at MSG which is really thinking outside the box. I like ideas like this. Giving up a home game vs Syr isnt ideal but we coukd make more money playing Syr at MSG than at the Pete and it would be an event every year. It would be like 2 road games against them I know but every other year, we also avoid the Carrier Dome, though thats pretty much our home away from home.
So, you want to give up a BIG home game every other year for the HOPE of a big payday in NYC??? Ridiculous. How many Pitt fans made the BE tourney over the years?? We didn't outdraw the following....EVER: UCONN, Cuse, Gtown, NOVA, ND, , and probaly no better than most of the others. In your first paragraph, you want another big game.....then want to kick out one of our biggest draws?? How many fans do you expect to get to that game??? No WAY is that a financial addition. Just makes the season tix you won't buy LESS attractive.
 
We must do things the way we've always done them! No new ideas!

Jim Delaney is running wild with NYC going as far as moving the dates of the BTT to play there and we are scared to death to give up a home game EVERY OTHER YEAR to play Syr at a sold-out MSG, a game that would net us more than playing it at The Pete.
Just totally wrong on all your assumptions. Nonsense. Maybe your worst idea, yet. It has nothing to do with being scared. It would be 7000 Cuse fans, 2000 Pitt. 10000 empties.
 
I flew to NYC to catch the Indiana/Pitt game at MSG. Pitt had the fewest fans there (or at least the quietest) from amongst Indiana, Georgetown and Butler. Butler had a lot of fans there, and they were pretty vocal. Indiana had the most fans by far (and they sucked that year), Georgetown was probably second, because they could train ride up from DC. I was actually surprised to see the huge block of Butler fans there.

I was at that too. I think for some programs, there's a big novelty when they don't/didn't play there regularly. I was also there when Pitt won the Coaches vs Cancer tournament, and there were tons of Maryland fans who said they'd always hoped to see them play in MSG. Pitt fans really take that for granted at this point, which is part of the reason why we'd get paltry attendance against Cuse.
 
The idea of Pitt/Syr at MSG assumes the game would sell out or come darn close to it.
In no way, would I assume Pitt would ever travel well, so yes, I realize we would be giving up a home game every other year for a quasi road game. But you could do some things to make the atmosphere less intimidating like bussing 500 to 1000 Zoo members and giving Pitt fans the lower bowl seats when its our home game.

Syr is NYC's #1 college hoops team with tons of local alums. I just cant see a scenario where an ACC game with Pitt doesnt sell out even if its mostly all Syr fans. Some of you are underestimating their bball fanbase.
 
The idea of Pitt/Syr at MSG assumes the game would sell out or come darn close to it.
In no way, would I assume Pitt would ever travel well, so yes, I realize we would be giving up a home game every other year for a quasi road game. But you could do some things to make the atmosphere less intimidating like bussing 500 to 1000 Zoo members and giving Pitt fans the lower bowl seats when its our home game.

Syr is NYC's #1 college hoops team with tons of local alums. I just cant see a scenario where an ACC game with Pitt doesnt sell out even if its mostly all Syr fans. Some of you are underestimating their bball fanbase.
So, let's LOSE the home advantage + revenue.....SPEND thousands to send students to NYC......and it's a good deal???? And if we do that, Cuse gets 3 home games to our ONE home game in 2 years. Mind-boggling. I doubt the ACC would ever approve that, but the Cuse A.D. would sprain his neck nodding in agreement. I'd demand that Barnes be admitted to a psycho ward.
 
Again, I am curious after reading these posts. Even if you assume sellouts in either the Pete or MSG, how does Pitt make more money in NYC. While there might be another 7,500 fannies in the seats, I would imagine that the expenses of renting MSG (as opposed to playing in a building the school owns) would more than exhaust any difference in revenue. And, that doesn't even consider the expenses of travelling to NYC, and putting the team, and its travelling party, up in a hotel. Then, there are the meals. And there aren't any real recruiting advantages, either, IMO. NYC is producing fewer and fewer elite prospects, and most of them are leaving the area, by their senior years, to attend high profile prep schools around the country. Presumably, the best prospect from NYC (Rawle Alkins) is going to school in Raleigh, NC. Look at any Top 100 list published and note how few players are from New York. You are much better served by a nationally televised game from Pittsburgh.
 
Does anyone else agree with me? I think the ACC could claim the title of best hoops league in America for years to come if UConn were to be invited and join.

Well... I agree with you x9 BUT.... the ACC is at 14 teams and going to 16.... would present some significant scheduling difficulties... maybe having to go to 9 conference games on the football side.... etc.

Also... the question of who they would invite along with UConn comes into play and the best guess... would be Cincy. Temple is more in the geographic footprint but.... their academics are poor as I understand it and... they already took a hit on academics when they invited Louisville.

Yeah... I am not expecting anything like this anytime soon. Again, going to 16 teams presents some significant scheduling difficulties on the football side.
 
Again, I am curious after reading these posts. Even if you assume sellouts in either the Pete or MSG, how does Pitt make more money in NYC. While there might be another 7,500 fannies in the seats, I would imagine that the expenses of renting MSG (as opposed to playing in a building the school owns) would more than exhaust any difference in revenue. And, that doesn't even consider the expenses of travelling to NYC, and putting the team, and its travelling party, up in a hotel. Then, there are the meals. And there aren't any real recruiting advantages, either, IMO. NYC is producing fewer and fewer elite prospects, and most of them are leaving the area, by their senior years, to attend high profile prep schools around the country. Presumably, the best prospect from NYC (Rawle Alkins) is going to school in Raleigh, NC. Look at any Top 100 list published and note how few players are from New York. You are much better served by a nationally televised game from Pittsburgh.

I agree with all of this. In addition, I presume Pitt would have to split the ticket revenue with Syracuse. Maybe 70/30 if that is how the ticket sales were divided.

I was at the Pitt vs Cincinnati game at MSG a few years ago. I doubt the place was 20% full.
 
Let's see Pitt plays 13-15 home games a year of which there's 4/5 premium games and they should move one of those to NYC. I hope season ticket holders will be billed for this home game in their season ticket plans. Has to be one of the worst idea ever!
 
I agree with all of this. In addition, I presume Pitt would have to split the ticket revenue with Syracuse. Maybe 70/30 if that is how the ticket sales were divided.

I was at the Pitt vs Cincinnati game at MSG a few years ago. I doubt the place was 20% full.

Really.... who in NYC is really interested in Pitt vs Cincy.... or Pitt vs Davidson. But, Pitt vs Cuse.... that would be a different story.... MSG would probably be filled to see NY's team go against NY's alternate team (at least that is what we used to be... what we were).

You would have to give up one home game every other year... so there would be loss of revenue there and I doubt what we would get from MSG would match the loss. But, the increase in visibility along with the better recruits would bring in more revenue over the long haul.

(Actually, if the revenue was split evenly then we are talking two games against Cuse at MSG replacing one home game against them and... one away game against them... so maybe the MSG revenue would match the home game revenue. Also, you would want to schedule it between Christmas and New Years as that is when the students are not on campus.)

(Another thing here.... the ACC would have to agree to this but they would probably be all for it... wanting to increase visibility in NYC. But, if they wanted to sub Wake Forrest for us down the line.... then Swofford and the ACC... can go to hell.)

Hey... if the loss of a home game every other year bother's you... well cancel the Pitt vs Davidson types of games and instead bring in another Central Arkansas for a game at the Pete. If you want more name competition... schedule homes and homes with UConn and Temple.

In thinking about this one... sure comes under the category of thinking outside the box... and in this case... the box... is The Pete.

The other thing... for those that haven't noticed it the bottom has fallen out of our recruiting... and that is due to the loss of visibility in the eastern PA and NYC metro areas. So, you gotta do something about this and just playing the likes of Davidson at MSG.... is just diddly squat. The only other option that I can see... is continuing to go with grad transfers over the long haul... but IMO that will only work if you get the Youngs and Artises coming in to start with and... right now we got nobody like that on the horizon.
 
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