Pitt scheduling philosophy and recruiting

[NTOP]

Really.... who in NYC is really interested in Pitt vs Cincy.... or Pitt vs Davidson. But, Pitt vs Cuse.... that would be a different story.... MSG would probably be filled to see NY's team go against NY's alternate team (at least that is what we used to be... what we were).

You would have to give up one home game every other year... so there would be loss of revenue there and I doubt what we would get from MSG would match the loss. But, the increase in visibility along with the better recruits would bring in more revenue over the long haul.

(Actually, if the revenue was split evenly then we are talking two games against Cuse at MSG replacing one home game against them and... one away game against them... so maybe the MSG revenue would match the home game revenue. Also, you would want to schedule it between Christmas and New Years as that is when the students are not on campus.)

(Another thing here.... the ACC would have to agree to this but they would probably be all for it... wanting to increase visibility in NYC. But, if they wanted to sub Wake Forrest for us down the line.... then Swofford and the ACC... can go to hell.)

Hey... if the loss of a home game every other year bother's you... well cancel the Pitt vs Davidson types of games and instead bring in another Central Arkansas for a game at the Pete. If you want more name competition... schedule homes and homes with UConn and Temple.

In thinking about this one... sure comes under the category of thinking outside the box... and in this case... the box... is The Pete.

The other thing... for those that haven't noticed it the bottom has fallen out of our recruiting... and that is due to the loss of visibility in the eastern PA and NYC metro areas. So, you gotta do something about this and just playing the likes of Davidson at MSG.... is just diddly squat. The only other option that I can see... is continuing to go with grad transfers over the long haul... but IMO that will only work if you get the Youngs and Artises coming in to start with and... right now we got nobody like that on the horizon.

Nonsense.. It's as dumb as playing 2 fb games in Sappy Valley & one at Heinz field. It helps cuse, hurts Pitt.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I have a question.

Is it a good idea that Arkansas agreed to give up a football home game every other year to play A&M at JerryWorld?

Yes or No.....and why? This ought to be good.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Well, one huge difference is that Arkansas makes a ton more money playing a home game at AT&T than they would at home. That is the one, and only one, reason that they do it. There is absolutely no reason to believe that Pitt would make one dime more playing a home game at MSG, and in fact I'd argue that it would almost certainly be a big money loser.

If MSG was going to guarantee Pitt the kind of profit that Jones is guaranteeing Arkansas to play a home game at AT&T then it might be worth exploring. But even in the wacky world that you live in you surely don't think that MSG is going to do anything of the sort, do you? I mean why on earth would they?

 

[KiwiJeff]

Well, one huge difference is that Arkansas makes a ton more money playing a home game at AT&T than they would at home. That is the one, and only one, reason that they do it. There is absolutely no reason to believe that Pitt would make one dime more playing a home game at MSG, and in fact I'd argue that it would almost certainly be a big money loser.

If MSG was going to guarantee Pitt the kind of profit that Jones is guaranteeing Arkansas to play a home game at AT&T then it might be worth exploring. But even in the wacky world that you live in you surely don't think that MSG is going to do anything of the sort, do you? I mean why on earth would they?

We really need the season to start. This board has sunk to all time lows. We have absolutely nothing to talk about.

 

[R-M-U-h-o-o-p-s-f-a-n]

We really need the season to start. This board has sunk to all time lows. We have absolutely nothing to talk about.

.....Could talk about "Slim" supposedly gaining something like 40+ lbs, going from 185 to 230 someone said.

Guess he'll be called "Cam" again, not slim....

 

[levance2]

Syr is NYC's #1 college hoops team with tons of local alums. I just cant see a scenario where an ACC game with Pitt doesnt sell out even if its mostly all Syr fans. Some of you are underestimating their bball fanbase.

December 15, 2013: #2 Syracuse @ St. John's, attendance 16,357

 

[KiwiJeff]

December 15, 2013: #2 Syracuse @ St. John's, attendance 16,357

Don't they average like twice that at home? For all the talk of "why would Pitt do that?" I have a harder time seeing why Syracuse would.

 

[levance2]

Don't they average like twice that at home? For all the talk of "why would Pitt do that?" I have a harder time seeing why Syracuse would.

February 21, 2015: Pittsburgh at Syracuse, attendance 30,144

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Well, one huge difference is that Arkansas makes a ton more money playing a home game at AT&T than they would at home. That is the one, and only one, reason that they do it. There is absolutely no reason to believe that Pitt would make one dime more playing a home game at MSG, and in fact I'd argue that it would almost certainly be a big money loser.

If MSG was going to guarantee Pitt the kind of profit that Jones is guaranteeing Arkansas to play a home game at AT&T then it might be worth exploring. But even in the wacky world that you live in you surely don't think that MSG is going to do anything of the sort, do you? I mean why on earth would they?

Thanks for answering, nobody else did, but the questions get even harder now.

Arky's stadium seats 72,000 with a record crowd of 76K vs Bama in 2010. They drew only 67K at JerryWorld? How again did they make more money by playing them at JerryWorld?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

December 15, 2013: #2 Syracuse @ St. John's, attendance 16,357

Thank you. This proves a conference matchup in Jan/Feb would sell out. If Syr could get 16K for crappy St. John's and their tiny fanbase, they easily sell out MSG for Pitt.

 

[levance2]

If Syr could get 16K for crappy St. John's and their tiny fanbase, they easily sell out MSG for Pitt.

It really is amazing how you double-down on dumb ideas when opposed by any factual evidence. You should try politics.

 

[Pittx9]

MSG really is St. John's home venue. They might not have many fans as it's a small school, but I would be shocked if Syracuse-St. John's at MSG drew a small crowd. I almost wish St. John's was a bigger school though as Syracuse is one of the most arrogant teams in the country.

 

[NTOP]

Thank you. This proves a conference matchup in Jan/Feb would sell out. If Syr could get 16K for crappy St. John's and their tiny fanbase, they easily sell out MSG for Pitt.

It proves no such thing. How many Pitt fans would show up?? 1000?? 2000??? Have you ever been there for the BET?? If we can't fill the Pete most nights.....where will the fans be in January for a game??? The whole Ark/A&M argument refutes your claim.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Thanks for answering, nobody else did, but the questions get even harder now.

Arky's stadium seats 72,000 with a record crowd of 76K vs Bama in 2010. They drew only 67K at JerryWorld? How again did they make more money by playing them at JerryWorld?

The question only gets harder for someone who doesn't understand what happened.

Arkansas made more money because Jones paid them a guarantee. Jones took all the risk off of Arkansas and took it all on himself. It is quite possible (maybe even likely) that Jones took a huge hit on the deal. But if you are Arkansas, why on earth would you care?

And that's the difference. Jones took the risk and had the most to lose with the Arkansas game. MSG isn't doing that for Pitt. As I said before, if they were then it would be something to consider. But they aren't. Not now, not ever.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

It proves no such thing. How many Pitt fans would show up?? 1000?? 2000??? Have you ever been there for the BET?? If we can't fill the Pete most nights.....where will the fans be in January for a game??? The whole Ark/A&M argument refutes your claim.

No Pitt fans would have to show up. 19K Syr fans would sell the place out. Its an ACC game at MSG. Guaranteed sell out.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Joe, you're making up stuff. Provide references on Ark's great financial deal.

And lets not forget A&M gives up playing Ark in its 100K stadium every other year to play in JerryWorld. This is about more than money. They both want a presence in Dallas and wl lose money to get that presence.

If Pitt wants a presence in NYC, playing Cincy, OK St, or Davidson aint gonna do it. Pitt/Syr is the talk of the town........and as I said Pitt could host recruits there since its their home game.

 

[levance2]

If Pitt wants a presence in NYC, playing Cincy, OK St, or Davidson aint gonna do it. Pitt/Syr is the talk of the town........and as I said Pitt could host recruits there since its their home game.

No Pitt fans would have to show up. 19K Syr fans would sell the place out. Its an ACC game at MSG. Guaranteed sell out.

I'm sure recruits are going to flock to a school who gives up home games to play in front of 19,000 fans of the other team. That's a winner.

 

[NTOP]

No Pitt fans would have to show up. 19K Syr fans would sell the place out. Its an ACC game at MSG. Guaranteed sell out.

Not a chance. And WHY would EITHER team do it?? Why give up home court in a conference game?? You have absolutely no proof of any of this junk. None. How many SJU fans were in that 16K?? That was on the court they use quite a lot, esp. for BE games.

 

[NTOP]

Joe, you're making up stuff. Provide references on Ark's great financial deal.

And lets not forget A&M gives up playing Ark in its 100K stadium every other year to play in JerryWorld. This is about more than money. They both want a presence in Dallas and wl lose money to get that presence.

If Pitt wants a presence in NYC, playing Cincy, OK St, or Davidson aint gonna do it. Pitt/Syr is the talk of the town........and as I said Pitt could host recruits there since its their home game.

I thought there weren't many recruits in NYC these days??
And the A.D.'s at Ark & A&M should be fired for this stupid idea.

 

[JS School]

Jerry Jones is an Arkansas alum and played on the national championship team. I'm sure he would have given Arkansas a much better deal than he would have given any other school.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Joe, you're making up stuff.

Well if anyone would know about making stuff up it would be you.

The number of topics that you post about where you have no idea what you are talking about is astounding. And the best part is that when someone attempts to enlighten you you just slough it off. I mean it just can't possibly be that you have been talking out your arse this whole thread, can it?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

By the way, reports are the A&M and Arkansas get between $3.2 and $3.5 million to play the game in Dallas. That isn't $3.2 - $3.5 million in the year they are the designated home team, that's $3.2 - $3.5 million every year, even when they are the "away' team. Do you suppose that Arkansas makes anywhere close to $7 million for one home game? Now do you understand why they want to play the game there? And do you understand why Pitt isn't getting a deal anywhere close to that to play a game against Syracuse at MSG?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

By the way, reports are the A&M and Arkansas get between $3.2 and $3.5 million to play the game in Dallas. That isn't $3.2 - $3.5 million in the year they are the designated home team, that's $3.2 - $3.5 million every year, even when they are the "away' team. Do you suppose that Arkansas makes anywhere close to $7 million for one home game? Now do you understand why they want to play the game there? And do you understand why Pitt isn't getting a deal anywhere close to that to play a game against Syracuse at MSG?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/co...ggies-series-with-arkansas-at-att-stadium.ece

For SMF, who doesn't know how to google.

 

[Chaos]

As a season ticket holder, I would be seriously pissed if they decided to relocate one of the best games on the home schedule to NYC. Giving up home court advantage for a big conference game would also not be the smartest idea. The goal is to win games.

 

[Pittx9]

St. John's plays most home games at MSG. Syracuse is huge in NYC. That's like when Pitt played Penn State at Three Rivers, huge crowds. If Pitt would have played Clemson, South Carolina, Florida State, or Ohio State at Three Rivers, the crowd would not have been as big.
Yes, St. John's has a tiny fanbase, but I don't think Syracuse/Pitt would be an easy sellout. If it was Syracuse/Pitt in the old BE Tourney, absolutely. A regular season game though, I'd see a good crowd, but probably not a sellout.

 

[Zaratoughda]

St. John's plays most home games at MSG. Syracuse is huge in NYC. That's like when Pitt played Penn State at Three Rivers, huge crowds. If Pitt would have played Clemson, South Carolina, Florida State, or Ohio State at Three Rivers, the crowd would not have been as big.
Yes, St. John's has a tiny fanbase, but I don't think Syracuse/Pitt would be an easy sellout. If it was Syracuse/Pitt in the old BE Tourney, absolutely. A regular season game though, I'd see a good crowd, but probably not a sellout.

Cuse/Pitt at MSG over the holidays... when all the kids are home on break... and all the alumni have time on their hands... would be a sell out for sure... with all the Cuse alum showing up as well as the small amount of Pitt fans in NYC... and others that want to see a rivalry game that is a LOT better than Pitt/Davidson or even Cuse/StJohns.

Really.... it wouldn't be just any game as it would be a CONFERENCE game in the ACC... and Swofford and company would go for this for sure... wanting greater presence in NYC.

 

[NTOP]

Cuse/Pitt at MSG over the holidays... when all the kids are home on break... and all the alumni have time on their hands... would be a sell out for sure... with all the Cuse alum showing up as well as the small amount of Pitt fans in NYC... and others that want to see a rivalry game that is a LOT better than Pitt/Davidson or even Cuse/StJohns.

Really.... it wouldn't be just any game as it would be a CONFERENCE game in the ACC... and Swofford and company would go for this for sure... wanting greater presence in NYC.

Hmmmm....SMF thinks Pitt should bus students to NYC, you want it over the holidays.....and you're BOTH wrong about selling out. NEVER give up a home game against a strong conference foe. Lunacy.

 

[Pittx9]

with all the Cuse alum

Man, IMO those Cuse alum are a really annoying bunch of people.

 

[R-M-U-h-o-o-p-s-f-a-n]

Hmmmm....SMF thinks Pitt should bus students to NYC, you want it over the holidays.....and you're BOTH wrong about selling out. NEVER give up a home game against a strong conference foe. Lunacy.

Couldn't agree more. Don't give up a solid home game every other year to play at MSG. Recruits will simply come to Pitt if they win and start making sweet sixteens again. If someone really wants that NYC visibility, then schedule a home and home with St. John's. At least it would make the schedule better (without giving up a home game at the Pete, which Pitt happens to have a great record at).

Go Pitt.