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Pitt Wrestling NCAA tournament

PreLives

Prep
Nov 29, 2013
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1st rd:

125: no 15 Zanetta fall Youtsey
133: Mack dec Lolito 2-1 (pigtail)
133: No 3 Ramos dec Mack 3-1
141: no 14 Bright dec 3-1
149: no 3 Villalonga dec Racciato 5-2
174: no 7 Wilps dec Wukie 4-2
184: no 4 Thomusseit dec Morrison 5-4
197: no 14 Penny dec Bonaccorsi 3-1
285: no 7 McClure dec Tasser 6-4 OT

One more rd of championship and consis starting at 7pm ct
 
Got to give these Panthers credit, our team score is underwhelming, but the chance is there for a nice move up with 4 Panhers still clawing - Zanetta (had him down for multiple wins, but can't claim I saw this happening after Blacksburg), Wilps, Thomusseit, and Bonaccorsi (don't buy that he can't beat the Duke kid).

I'm all in on getting some All-American nods tonight. Come on, guys!
 
Well Wilps lost decisively to Howe and we have no one in the semis.

First, the dual meet season means absolutely nothing. The announcers continuously refer to VT as the ACC champs and they are right. No one will care that Minnesota beat PSU in the duals and had the best dual meet record in the Big 10. All that counts is that PSU won the tournament.

As I said before the tournament began. We aren't a good tournament team. I hate to say this, but maybe Peters spent too much time on Rande's staff to know how to develop a good tournament team. After watching VT clean our clock in the ACC tournament, I have watched their wrestlers in the NCAAs pretty carefully, and there are three major differences I see between them and us: (1) they are aggressive; they take shots. Dance wrestled the best match of the tourney against Delgado. He lost and only scored one point, but he was aggressive. By contrast, in Zanetta's second match, he got taken down and then spent most of the rest of the match flat on his face. He didn't take a single shot in the last 5 minutes. (2) VT is much better conditioned and their wrestlers have been aggressive for all 3 periods. They are always looking for bonus points. They have won 3 matches with takedowns or reversals or escapes in the last 30 seconds of matches. Our wrestlers are dead in the water late in matches.

Besides Zanetta, look at Mack at 133. He was leading the #3 seed in the third period, got taken down and never came close to getting an escape. Then he came out and after winning one consolation bout got beaten this morning. He is a senior but he still lacks strength to compete against top 133 pounders and he almost never takes anything more than a half shot. I assume he lacks confidence to take a full shot. I don't know how he expects to win with that attitude and his career now is over.

At 141, Bright won his first match, was totally dominated in his second and faded in his consolation bought today, losing convincingly. Yes he is just a freshman, but I can't excuse the fact that his tank is empty in the third period because of that. He was up 4-3 against the Iowa kid and gave up 7 points in the last 90 seconds. I saw a number of true frosh who didn't run out of gas late in matches. Earlier this year, I said I thought that although he lost to Retherford he had a bigger upside. I don't believe that now. He was much less competitive against him in the tourney than in the dual meet. His collapse today was due to nothing more than an empty tank.

At 149, Mikey was leading the #3 seed in the third period and again, in a disturbing Pitt trend, ran out of gas and got beat. Then he got dominated in his consolation match to go 0-2. Compare that to English, the 149 pounder from PSU. He is a walk-on who is their third stringer at that weight. But both Alton and the backup were injured for the Big 10 championship and he wrestled and finished 7th. Then he came to the NCAAs unseeded, won his first match, lost his second 5-4 on a takedown with less than 15 seconds left, and won his consolation this morning. He is a walk-on. Mikey is a 2 or 3 time PIAA champion.

At 174, Tyler wrestled two workmanlike matches but was just bad against Howe. He didn't take a shot until he was hopelessly behind in the final minute. He let Howe control his head during the entire match. He did nothing. Period.

At 184, Max was a very unimpressive winner in his first match and a very unimpressive loser in his second match to a wrestler from Old Dominion. Yes he lost in OT but he did nothing at all in the final 3 minutes of that bout.

At 197, Bono wrestled Gainst Perry from VT. I think the match illustrated the difference between the two programs. I believe Bono lost to Perry twice this year, both by a point and one in a controversial call in OT. But in their first round match, Perry dominated him. Perry now is in the semis. Bono came back and won his first consolation bout by a pin. I haven't seen the consolation bouts yet at 184-Hwt as I write this.


Rande's teams consistently underachieved at the NCAAs. There was no mindset that even after you lose you still can be an All-American and finish third. They were consistently poor in consolation bouts, frequently losing to wrestlers they had beaten earlier in the year. Unfortunately, that mindset and conditioning issue appears to have carried over to the new regime. Maybe it can be changed, but I didn't see a glimmer of hope for that either at the ACC tourney or in the NCAAs so far. Teams we beat in duals are far ahead of us in the NCAAs. Teams we won 5 matches against in the duals, like Oklahoma State and Edinboro, are so far ahead of us that we aren't even in the same zip code in the tourney because they are so far ahead of us. This ACC tourney and this showing have turned me from being very optimistic about the future of the program to being very skeptical.
 
Bonaccorsi split with Penny during the year, but yeah, I can't really argue with much else you said. I even said after the VT duals win they reminded me of an ACC Northwestern. Not the most talented, but they maximize their physical abilities to take advantage of whatever they can get.

When you see Dance and Henderson and others are finishing with All-American nods when they finished behind Pitt guys. When you see Cruz, LeBlanc, and Marsden advance deeper than Pitt guys they lost to, when you backslide noticably in the team rankings with the same amount of guys you had the year prior - there's a problem. There just is.

I love Max. He's probably my favorite Panther athlete currently on campus, but that match against Minnesota's kid was deplorable & really illustrates the point best. 1st period (!) stall warning. 2nd period stall penalty. 3rd period... did he take a single pure shot? I can't get over that. What are we waiting for? This is it!


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With all of that said, I don't want to take away from Tyler Wilps. Kid has been a warrior in this year of firsts. First invididual conference title, First All-American nod. I didn't see the Howe match, but watching him emerge up this year has been a hell of a lot of fun. Think about where he was last year. Think about where he could take things next year. Beast in the classroom, too.

Beyond that, this is Year 1 for Peters. I wouldn't be too discouraged about the future of the program, given that it's entirely possible his strategic tactics could change dramatically over time. Maryland's departure alone changes the look of the ACC for us next year. If Cody gets his mind right (was an honor roll kid at CM), in him & Rizzo, we have two kids who have the ability to change the look of things QUITE a bit.

That said, there's no positive spin on the team's performance this week. Especially if we're looking at the program from this last month, going back to the collapse in Blacksburg (which I'm still not completely over having attended).

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Originally posted by mike412:
Well Wilps lost decisively to Howe and we have no one in the semis.
Thanks for the overview. It is certainly depressing and disconcerting.

Let's hope Peters can figure it out quickly.
 
Tyler was far and away our best wrestler. He was overmatched against Howe but he got robbed in his consolation match against the #3 kid from Nebraska and ended up losing in OT. In his weight class, the 1,2,4 and 5 rated kids are all seniors. I don't know about the 3 or 6 seeds. There were no great freshman in his weight class this year. So he could have a shot at a championship next year. Of course, guys can move up a weight class between now and then and maybe some dominating freshman will emerge next year. Marstellar immediately comes to mind if he doesn't wrestle at 165.

Max was seeded #4 and I know Ruth is a senior. I believe Sheptock is too. But Dean is there and he is only a freshman and the freshman from Old Dominion beat Max and had a great tournament.

Last I checked, VT and Edinboro were tied for 7th. Dance finished 4th. A guy Z beat twice this year. The only VT wrestler who didn't wrestle well was Gustafson, which surprised me because he was dominant at the ACCs as a true frosh. NC State has a great new coach and a top 20 recruiting class. Any coach who can recruit two AAs to wrestle at Binghamoton has got to be a hell of a recruiter.

I believe that at least six wrestlers who lost matches to Pitt wrestlers this year made AA. But we only had one. It was very disturbing to watch match after match with guys who had lost to Pitt in dual meets still wrestling in the medal round. And, English really kept PSUin the title race. Their third string walk-on 149 pounder ended up 5thafter finishing 7th in the Big Ten tourney. If he had gone two and out like Mikey did they wouldn't have a mathematical shot at winning. They got lucky when the 141 pounder from Northern Iowa had to forfeit his match against Retherford because that gave them two bonus points. And Taylor and Ruth have been bonus point machines as usual. But English is the only reason they still are in the hunt. They also got an assist from Iowa as they won two matches today against higher ranked Iowa wrestlers.

I will be interested in thom67's take on this because he always noticed the way Rande's teams underperformed in the NCAAs. We have a HC who worked under Rande for 9 years and two assistants who wrestled for Rande and I am really concerned now that his negative influence remains even though he is gone.

The one Pitt sport that I have felt really good about all year now has moved squarely into the concerned about the program group. You would think we would have at least one program which we all could feel optimistic about.

By the way the announcers talked a lot about an ACC and B12 merger in wrestling. With Maryland leaving there are only 6 ACC schools with wrestling programs and the B12 now only has four: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Iowa State and WVU. That would mean a much tougher league. If that happened, I wonder if Missouri would join. They wrestle in the MAC now because they are the only SEC school with a wrestling program. Either way, it undoubtedly would be the #2 conference behind the Big 10.
 
Originally posted by mike412:
By the way the announcers talked a lot about an ACC and B12 merger in wrestling. With Maryland leaving there are only 6 ACC schools with wrestling programs and the B12 now only has four: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Iowa State and WVU. That would mean a much tougher league. If that happened, I wonder if Missouri would join. They wrestle in the MAC now because they are the only SEC school with a wrestling program. Either way, it undoubtedly would be the #2 conference behind the Big 10.
What did they say exactly? I'd be surprised. It doesn't seem to be the way the ACC has operated. It operated forever with only 4 men's lax teams, is only going to have 5 after next year, and had no interest in adding the most historic program in the country, Johns Hopkins, as an affiliate which was apparently JHU's preference when looking for a conference. It was set to operate with only 4 in women's gymnastics teams until MD determined to leave and doesn't seem to want to take in the only other two EAGL members. They're starting fencing next year with only four members. The ACC doesn't seem too keen on the partial/affiliate membership thing (and no, ND is a full conference member, not a partial member).






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Just got back to the hotel after the finals. Very sad to be a Pitt wrestling fan. We looked pathetic overall. Wilps looked ok, but that was it! No one wrestled to their ranking. That just doesn't cut it. Part of the problem may be freshman wrestling over a long season, but other schools have freshman and they did well. The Mizz 197 #er was a true freshman and he won it all. PSU had two freshman who placed! NW had a redshirt freshman who won also. I have been following Pitt for 40 plus years and it gets old. Hopefully Jason can get it done.
 
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