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Pitt's player of the decade for each of the last five decades?

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Who would be your pick for Pitt's player of the decade for each of the last five decades?

I'm probably forgetting some in the '90s but:

70s - Dorsett
80s - Green (he played mostly in the late '70s but also in 1980) but I could see Fralic as a 3x All-American as a selection
90s - Reuben Brown? - this one I'm fuzzy on remembering
00s - Fitz
10s - Donald

Your picks?
 
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70's Dorsett
80's Marino or Fralic
90's Van Pelt or Tumilty (Brown had the best career but it is tough being a lineman without being at Fralic level)
00's Palko - (Fitz was the best player but only 2 years and not here for the BCS year)
10's Donald
 
Who would be your pick for Pitt's player of the decade for each of the last five decades?

I'm probably forgetting some in the '90s but:

70s - Dorsett
80s - Green (he played mostly in the late '70s but also in 1980) but I could see Fralic as a 3x All-American as a selection
90s - Reuben Brown? - this one I'm fuzzy on remembering
00s - Fitz
10s - Donald

Your picks?

Green got here in 77, played one season (1980) in that decade.

Your entire question falls apart because of this. It is impossible to put Green in the 80's and leave out Marino ( or ironhead for that matter).
 
70's Dorsett
80's Marino or Fralic
90's Van Pelt or Tumilty (Brown had the best career but it is tough being a lineman without being at Fralic level)
00's Palko - (Fitz was the best player but only 2 years and not here for the BCS year)
10's Donald
70’s - TD
80’s - Fralic
90’s - R. Brown
00’s - Fitz (His 2 years were better than anyone else’s 4 years)
10’s - AD
 
Who would be your pick for Pitt's player of the decade for each of the last five decades?

I'm probably forgetting some in the '90s but:

70s - Dorsett
80s - Green (he played mostly in the late '70s but also in 1980) but I could see Fralic as a 3x All-American as a selection
90s - Reuben Brown? - this one I'm fuzzy on remembering
00s - Fitz
10s - Donald

Your picks?
Definitely Marion for the 80s.
Curtis Martin for the 90s.


I can agree with the rest. Fitz was out-of-this world even though he only played 2 years.

Green is not on the list only b/c of Dorsett and the fact that he is identified as a player of the 70s.

Also it's hard to not recognize Shady but there's only so much room when you're naming only one player per decade. Antonio Brown was special as well.
 
How can you not have Marino as the 80s?
seems he chose to take the guy who finished second in the Heisman in 80' and was chosen as the 7th pick in the first round and not the guy with 74 tds to go along with 64 ints who was chosen 27th overall...

not saying I agree, but guessing that is how...

personally, I'd go Fralic...
 
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Definitely Marion for the 80s.
Curtis Martin for the 90s.


I can agree with the rest. Fitz was out-of-this world even though he only played 2 years.

Green is not on the list only b/c of Dorsett and the fact that he is identified as a player of the 70s.

Also it's hard to not recognize Shady but there's only so much room when you're naming only one player per decade. Antonio Brown was special as well.

What exactly did curtis Martin do at Pitt that makes him worthy of the greatest player of an entire decade?
 
Hell, Ruben Brown belongs in the NFL Hall of Fame. I think a case could be made for him as the player of the 1990s, the problem is he was on some terrible teams and people don't remember linemen.

Career highlights and awards
Career NFL statistics
Games played:
181
Games started: 181
Fumbles recovered: 2
 
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What exactly did curtis Martin do at Pitt that makes him worthy of the greatest player of an entire decade?
I thought he was an outstanding running back in an era that was putrid for the most part. As much as I loved Billy West, Martin was clearly the better runner. The teams Martin played on at Pitt were very bad but he always seemed to shine.

I agree that Rueben Brown and Tom Tumulty were outstanding but there wasn't much talent on those 90s teams. (I might even vote for Tim Colicchio b/c I used to sit next to his family and party at their mobile home in the OC lot. His grandfather didn't care much for Paul Hackett...he'd always shout, "a running team is a winning team!")
 
As someone who played for Pitt in the 80s, let me clear up a common misconception about Dan Marino: he had ONE great year at Pitt -- his junior year. As a freshman and sophomore, he split time with Rich Trocano. And his senior year was disappointing, particularly compared to expectations. He WASN'T a consensus all-American, and he wasn't close to winning a Heisman. (He finished 9th.) I love Dan and recognize his brilliance in the NFL, but he peaked after he left Oakland.

For my money, the most dominant player (by far) was Bill Fralic.
 
As someone who played for Pitt in the 80s, let me clear up a common misconception about Dan Marino: he had ONE great year at Pitt -- his junior year. As a freshman and sophomore, he split time with Rich Trocano. And his senior year was disappointing, particularly compared to expectations. He WASN'T a consensus all-American, and he wasn't close to winning a Heisman. (He finished 9th.) I love Dan and recognize his brilliance in the NFL, but he peaked after he left Oakland.

For my money, the most dominant player (by far) was Bill Fralic.
Bingo.
 
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There is no way either Green or Dorsett is left off of an All-Decade Team so I’d go with

Tony Green (or maybe Hugh Dorsett)
 
Interesting post. Spent some time thinking about this before responding.

The following are my selections for the POD's (player of the decade) for each of the last 5.

70's (1971-1980)
#1 Tony Dorsett 73-76
#2 Hugh Green 77-80
#3 Ricky Jackson 77-80
#4 Matt Cavanaugh 73-77
#5 Mark May 77-80
#6 Gordon Jones
#7 Elliot Walker

Hard to go against TD but Hugh Green was a very solid 2nd for the 70's POD. Pretty good list of players from which to choose. Others could have been Randy Holloway, Gary Burley, Carlton Williamson, Jim Corbett and Glen Hyde.

80's (1981-1990)
#1 Dan Marino (81-82)
#2 Bill Fralic (81-84)
#3 Craig Heyward (84-87)
#4 Mark Stepnoski (85-88)
#5 Bryan Thomas (81-82)

Say what you will about his senior year but Marino is the best QB at PITT over the last 50 years and probably the 50 prior to that as well. It is hard to not at least nominate him #1. Fralic is probably the co- #1 POD for the 80's.

Others worthy of votes would be Jimbo Covert, Dwight Collins, Julius Dawkins, Bill Wallace, Curvin Richards, Randy Dixon, Chris Doleman, Mark Spindler and Sal Sunseri.

90's (1991-2000)

#1 Antonio Bryant (99-00)
#2 Alex Van Pelt (91-92)
#2 Curtis Martin (91-94)
#3 Billy West (93-97)
#3 Dietrich Jells (91-95)
#4 Reuben Brown (90-94)
#5 Dave Moore (90-91)

Despite a lot of bad seasons, there are still some good players to select for POD of the 1990's. Pete Gonzalez had a great 1997 season. Gerald Simpson was a pretty fair linebacker for 4 straight losing teams. Tom Tumulty, Terry Murphy, John Jenkins and Latif Grim.

2000's
(2001-2010)
#1 Larry Fitzgerald (02-03)
#2 Shady McCoy (07-08)
#3 Darrel Revis (04-06)
#4 Rod Rutherford (01-03)
#5 Tyler Palko (02-06)
#6 Dion Lewis (09-10)

Pretty good list overall. Much more talent to choose from this decade. Interesting that Fitz, McCoy, Revis and Lewis spent three years or less with the program. Others that could be nominated are Gerald Hayes, Larod Stephens Howling, Derek Kinder, Lou Polite, HB Blades and Jabal Sheard.

2010's (teens) (2011 - 2018)

#1 Aaron Donald (10-13)
#2 James Conner (13-16)
#3 Tyler Boyd (13-15)

The list kind of starts and end with Donald. Unless somebody blows up on the team over the next 2 seasons, that is not likely to change.

Overall, plenty of talented players to evaluate over the past 50 seasons. Some decades featured more talent than others. Would be interesting to see similar lists for PSU and WVU. Could be an interesting basis of comparison between the three programs over the past half century.

Pitt certainly has had its fair share of great players through the years. The #1 nominees for most of the decades are about as good as it gets. The depth, however, and lack thereof in some decades makes me wonder if PITT was really any more talented than most other programs.
 
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When I was in middle school, I saw Sean Gilbert play against berwick. During warm-ups, I kept saying "this guy is a linebacker?"

He might honestly be the most disappointing panther ever. I know he had some great performances, but I don't think he ever came close to his potential.
 
Interesting post. Spent some time thinking about this before responding.

The following are my selections for the POD's (player of the decade) for each of the last 5.

70's (1971-1980)
#1 Tony Dorsett 73-76
#2 Hugh Green 77-80
#3 Ricky Jackson 77-80
#4 Matt Cavanaugh 73-77
#5 Mark May 77-80
#6 Gordon Jones
#7 Elliot Walker

Hard to go against TD but Hugh Green was a very solid 2nd for the 70's POD. Pretty good list of players from which to choose. Others could have been Randy Holloway, Gary Burley, Carlton Williamson, Jim Corbett and Glen Hyde.

80's (1981-1990)
#1 Dan Marino (81-82)
#2 Bill Fralic (81-84)
#3 Craig Heyward (84-87)
#4 Mark Stepnoski (85-88)
#5 Bryan Thomas (81-82)

Say what you will about his senior year but Marino is the best QB at PITT over the last 50 years and probably the 50 prior to that as well. It is hard to not at least nominate him #1. Fralic is probably the co- #1 POD for the 80's.

Others worthy of votes would be Jimbo Covert, Dwight Collins, Julius Dawkins, Bill Wallace, Curvin Richards, Randy Dixon, Chris Doleman, Mark Spindler and Sal Sunseri.

90's (1991-2000)

#1 Antonio Bryant (99-00)
#2 Alex Van Pelt (91-92)
#2 Curtis Martin (91-94)
#3 Billy West (93-97)
#3 Dietrich Jells (91-95)
#4 Reuben Brown (90-94)
#5 Dave Moore (90-91)

Despite a lot of bad seasons, there are still some good players to select for POD of the 1990's. Pete Gonzalez had a great 1997 season. Gerald Simpson was a pretty fair linebacker for 4 straight losing teams. Tom Tumulty, Terry Murphy, John Jenkins and Latif Grim.

2000's
(2001-2010)
#1 Larry Fitzgerald (02-03)
#2 Shady McCoy (07-08)
#3 Darrel Revis (04-06)
#4 Rod Rutherford (01-03)
#5 Tyler Palko (02-06)
#6 Dion Lewis (09-10)

Pretty good list overall. Much more talent to choose from this decade. Interesting that Fitz, McCoy, Revis and Lewis spent three years or less with the program. Others that could be nominated are Gerald Hayes, Larod Stephens Howling, Derek Kinder, Lou Polite, HB Blades and Jabal Sheard.

2010's (teens) (2011 - 2018)

#1 Aaron Donald (10-13)
#2 James Conner (13-16)
#3 Tyler Boyd (13-15)

The list kind of starts and end with Donald. Unless somebody blows up on the team over the next 2 seasons, that is not likely to change.

Overall, plenty of talented players to evaluate over the past 50 seasons. Some decades featured more talent than others. Would be interesting to see similar lists for PSU and WVU. Could be an interesting basis of comparison between the three programs over the past half century.

Pitt certainly has had its fair share of great players through the years. The #1 nominees for most of the decades are about as good as it gets. The depth, however, and lack thereof in some decades makes me wonder if PITT was really any more talented than most other programs.


Great post!

I’d probably add a few others

1980s
Jerry Olsavsky
Ezekial Gadson (one absolutely legendary season)

2000s
Ray Graham
 
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We've had quite a few guys who've had amazing seasons but couldn't capitalize due to injuries or other things.

Ray Graham was special prior to the injury. He was solid afterwards but prior home was one of the top backs in the country.
 
Interesting post. Spent some time thinking about this before responding.

The following are my selections for the POD's (player of the decade) for each of the last 5.

70's (1971-1980)
#1 Tony Dorsett 73-76
#2 Hugh Green 77-80
#3 Ricky Jackson 77-80
#4 Matt Cavanaugh 73-77
#5 Mark May 77-80
#6 Gordon Jones
#7 Elliot Walker

Hard to go against TD but Hugh Green was a very solid 2nd for the 70's POD. Pretty good list of players from which to choose. Others could have been Randy Holloway, Gary Burley, Carlton Williamson, Jim Corbett and Glen Hyde.

80's (1981-1990)
#1 Dan Marino (81-82)
#2 Bill Fralic (81-84)
#3 Craig Heyward (84-87)
#4 Mark Stepnoski (85-88)
#5 Bryan Thomas (81-82)

Say what you will about his senior year but Marino is the best QB at PITT over the last 50 years and probably the 50 prior to that as well. It is hard to not at least nominate him #1. Fralic is probably the co- #1 POD for the 80's.

Others worthy of votes would be Jimbo Covert, Dwight Collins, Julius Dawkins, Bill Wallace, Curvin Richards, Randy Dixon, Chris Doleman, Mark Spindler and Sal Sunseri.

90's (1991-2000)

#1 Antonio Bryant (99-00)
#2 Alex Van Pelt (91-92)
#2 Curtis Martin (91-94)
#3 Billy West (93-97)
#3 Dietrich Jells (91-95)
#4 Reuben Brown (90-94)
#5 Dave Moore (90-91)

Despite a lot of bad seasons, there are still some good players to select for POD of the 1990's. Pete Gonzalez had a great 1997 season. Gerald Simpson was a pretty fair linebacker for 4 straight losing teams. Tom Tumulty, Terry Murphy, John Jenkins and Latif Grim.

2000's
(2001-2010)
#1 Larry Fitzgerald (02-03)
#2 Shady McCoy (07-08)
#3 Darrel Revis (04-06)
#4 Rod Rutherford (01-03)
#5 Tyler Palko (02-06)
#6 Dion Lewis (09-10)

Pretty good list overall. Much more talent to choose from this decade. Interesting that Fitz, McCoy, Revis and Lewis spent three years or less with the program. Others that could be nominated are Gerald Hayes, Larod Stephens Howling, Derek Kinder, Lou Polite, HB Blades and Jabal Sheard.

2010's (teens) (2011 - 2018)

#1 Aaron Donald (10-13)
#2 James Conner (13-16)
#3 Tyler Boyd (13-15)

The list kind of starts and end with Donald. Unless somebody blows up on the team over the next 2 seasons, that is not likely to change.

Overall, plenty of talented players to evaluate over the past 50 seasons. Some decades featured more talent than others. Would be interesting to see similar lists for PSU and WVU. Could be an interesting basis of comparison between the three programs over the past half century.

Pitt certainly has had its fair share of great players through the years. The #1 nominees for most of the decades are about as good as it gets. The depth, however, and lack thereof in some decades makes me wonder if PITT was really any more talented than most other programs.

Marino was my favorite QB at Pitt and IMO the best Pitt QB ever but check out Marino's stats as compared to Alex Van Pelt:

Marino:
Passing

Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
*1979 Pitt Ind QB 12 130 222 58.6 1680 7.6 6.6 10 9 128.9
*1980 Pitt Ind QB 12 116 224 51.8 1609 7.2 5.7 15 14 121.7
*1981 Pitt Ind QB 12 226 380 59.5 2876 7.6 6.8 37 23 143.1
*1982 Pitt Ind QB 12 221 378 58.5 2432 6.4 4.6 17 23 115.2

Career Pitt 693 1204 57.6 8597 7.1 5.9 79 69 127.7

Van Pelt:
Passing

Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
1989 Pitt Ind QB 11 172 307 56.0 2527 8.2 7.6 15 11 134.1
1990 Pitt Ind QB 11 201 351 57.3 2427 6.9 5.5 14 17 118.8
1991 Pitt Big East QB 11 227 398 57.0 2796 7.0 6.2 15 14 121.4
1992 Pitt Big East QB 12 245 407 60.2 3163 7.8 6.9 20 17 133.3

Career Pitt 845 1463 57.8 10913 7.5 6.5 64 59 126.8
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Van Pelt wasn't in Marino's class when it comes to talent, but their career numbers at Pitt are very comparable.
 
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Fralic was the best at his position every year. Marino never was and he flat out sucked his Sr. Year and missed parts of his freshman and sophomore years. Anyone who picks Marino over Fralic is a moron. Maybe Marino over Doleman and Olsavsky.....maybe.
 
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Hopefully you meant Antonio Bryant.
Definitely my bad! Antonio Bryant, for sure.

Living in Pittsburgh and listening to 93.7 has caused my brain to malfunction. Antonio Brown has been the major topic of discussion for the past 6 months.
 
Personal opinion
70s TD ... with Hugh a solid 2nd ... Rickey Jackson overlooked, but great as well ... Cav the field general for a NC ...

80s Ironhead (people forget what a force he was). I loved Fralic, but he unfortunately couldn't make as much of an impact given his position... maybe if we'd won more in his years, I'd raise him to the top. Marino is only remembered so positively now by Pitt fans because of his NFL career, he was just OK for us given the hype, and he actually regressed as well, rather than improve. There are several other greats as well, guys in the college and NFL HOF today, but ultimately I still go with the guy who might have been the most unique tailback I can remember, before or since, and a real force.

90s Van Pelt, only because somebody needed chosen for that dreadful decade. Martin was dynamic in spurts, but too moody and delicate to get the nod. Reuben Brown, see Fralic above. Tumulty a personal fav but his tortured body betrayed him. Maybe Nate Cochran should actually get the nod for some tremendous punting he produced in that waste of 10 years.

00s Serious tossup. Bryant (people forget how tremendous he was too), Fitz, Revis, McCoy. Fitz for sure if he had played one more year. Rutherford and Palko to lesser degrees deserve love. Sigh...serious talent, given so many meh teams

10s Donald. As noted above, normally I don't give fair regard to linemen, but Donald's awards are too much to overlook. Boyd is not totally off the radar though. Conner gets some emotional consideration, and he was also a helluva player just on merit too. Too bad Whitehead fell so hard for the weed, he is ultimately a disappointment. If Quadree Ollison ends up having a great NFL career somehow, many are going to look back and appreciate his Pitt career more than we do now.
 
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70s TD ... with Hugh a solid 2nd ... Rickey Jackson overlooked, but great as well ... Cav the field general for a NC ...

80s Ironhead (people forget what a force he was). I loved Fralic, but he unfortunately couldn't make as much of an impact given his position... maybe if we'd won more in his years, I'd raise him to the top. Marino is only remembered so positively now by Pitt fans because of his NFL career, he was just OK for us given the hype, and he actually regressed as well, rather than improve. There are several other greats as well, guys in the college and NFL HOF today, but ultimately I still go with the guy who might have been the most unique tailback I can remember, before or since, and a real force.

90s Van Pelt, only because somebody needed chosen for that dreadful decade. Martin was dynamic in spurts, but too moody and delicate to get the nod. Reuben Brown, see Fralic above. Tumulty a personal fav but his tortured body betrayed him. Maybe Nate Cochran should actually get the nod for some tremendous punting he produced in that waste of 10 years.

00s Serious tossup. Bryant (people forget how tremendous he was too), Fitz, Revis, McCoy. Fitz for sure if he had played one more year. Rutherford and Palko to lesser degrees deserve love. Sigh...serious talent, given so many meh teams

10s Donald. As noted above, normally I don't give fair regard to linemen, but Donald's awards are too much to overlook. Boyd is not totally off the radar though. Conner gets some emotional consideration, and he was also a helluva player just on merit too. Too bad Whitehead fell so hard for the weed, he is ultimately a disappointment. If Quadree Ollison ends up having a great NFL career somehow, many are going to look back and appreciate his Pitt career more than we do now.

Antonio Bryant played for PITT in 1999, 2000 and 2001. The first 2 years are 1990's. He won the Bil. award in 2000. I argue that he would have been considered POD for the 1990s rather than the 2000's.
 
Who would be your pick for Pitt's player of the decade for each of the last five decades?

I'm probably forgetting some in the '90s but:

70s - Dorsett
80s - Green (he played mostly in the late '70s but also in 1980) but I could see Fralic as a 3x All-American as a selection
90s - Reuben Brown? - this one I'm fuzzy on remembering
00s - Fitz
10s - Donald

Your picks?


This!
 
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Who would be your pick for Pitt's player of the decade for each of the last five decades?

I'm probably forgetting some in the '90s but:

70s - Dorsett
80s - Green (he played mostly in the late '70s but also in 1980) but I could see Fralic as a 3x All-American as a selection
90s - Reuben Brown? - this one I'm fuzzy on remembering
00s - Fitz
10s - Donald

Your picks?

Dorsett, Marino, Brown, Fitzgerald, Donald. The only close one is the 80's, imho, with Green and Fralic in the group, but let's be real....Marino.
 
Dorsett, Marino, Brown, Fitzgerald, Donald. The only close one is the 80's, imho, with Green and Fralic in the group, but let's be real....Marino.

Hugh Green did NOT play in the decade of the 1980's.
 
Fralic was the best at his position every year. Marino never was and he flat out sucked his Sr. Year and missed parts of his freshman and sophomore years. Anyone who picks Marino over Fralic is a moron. Maybe Marino over Doleman and Olsavsky.....maybe.
Bill Fralic was on SI's 50th Anniversary College Football team. As one of two tackles. Think about that? He got vote for the Heisman as an OL. But in 50 years, there were two Offensive Tackles listed, Fralic was one. There is no doubt "80's" Decade player is Fralic.
 
Three of his four seasons were in the 1970s, but his senior season at Pitt was 1980.


1980 is actually part of the 70's decade ---- 1971-1980. The 1981 season was the start of the 80's.

And in following that logic, Antonio Bryant actually played 2 years in the 1990's --- 99, 00.
 
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