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What does that have to do with overachieving though - my OP?

Why do you think that it is? It's always been that way at PITT for the most part. High profile offensive players in HS typically carry a bigger price tag whether that was b4 or after NIL. They're known commodities. Successful defensive guys are often really good athletes who aren't developed and often play a different position in HS. It's easier to "develop" defensive talent as a whole. It's pretty hard to "develop" a QB whether he's played it his whole life and it's damn near impossible to have him come from another position.

This is just naïve statement that was taken out of context. How much do you think Saban spent developing offensive game plans and scheme on a day to day basis? He let his OC's coach.

I spent a week at Michigan when Harbaugh had Don Brown as a DC. Outside of the stretch period, I never saw Harbaugh doing anything with the defense, he was with the offense all the time.

Spurrier and Leach were notorious for not even knowing the names of the defensive players.

If you ever go to a clinic and listen to the HC speak about scheme, I've never heard one talk about the side of the ball they didn't coach prior to being a HC. I've never heard Urban, Leach, Kiffin, Riley, etc speak about defense in those settings.

Duzz has more then his share of warts, but this isn't one of them.

You talked about the talent we have as if Narduzzi had no role in assembling it. He's not playing some hand he was dealt and had no say in.

You're also just making things up about the offense/defense thing. It's always been that way? Larry Fitzgerald, Tyler Boyd, James Conner, Jeff Otah, Jonathan Baldwin, Shady McCoy, Kenny Pickett, Jordan Addison, Dion Lewis, etc.... not to mention the 4/5-star guys who didn't quite pan out to that ranking: Picciotti, Shell, D. Johnson, Dickerson, multiple QBs, etc. Let's not act like it's impossible to acquire offensive talent.
 
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They also have calculus requirements

For regular students - yes. For scholarship athletes - no unless they're majoring in engineering or science.

Go look at their roster and look at the football player's majors -

Business Administration
Literature, Media, Communications


GT has 14 players who are majoring in Engineering and 1 in Computer Science.

So proximity to talent weighs more heavily in GT's ranking then some kind of revolution in recruiting tactics.
 
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For regular students - yes. For scholarship athletes - no unless they're majoring in engineering or science.

Go look at their roster and look at the football player's majors -

Business Administration
Literature, Media, Communications


GT has 14 players who are majoring in Engineering and 1 in Computer Science.

So proximity to talent weighs more heavily in GT's ranking then some kind of revolution in recruiting tactics.

As I understand it, they can initially be accepted on an athletic waiver but then have to eventually pass one semester of calculus. I remember the Cover 3 Podcast mentioning this when Jamir Gibbs transferred - saying it is difficult for them to hold onto some guys for a certain period of time.

Edit: here is what I am talking about. First 6 minutes or so starts off talking about the GT job and touches on this topic.

 
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You're also just making things up about the offense/defense thing. It's always been that way? Larry Fitzgerald, Tyler Boyd, James Conner, Jeff Otah, Jonathan Baldwin, Shady McCoy, Kenny Pickett, Jordan Addison, Dion Lewis, etc.... not to mention the 4/5-star guys who didn't quite pan out to that ranking: Picciotti, Shell, D. Johnson, Dickerson, multiple QBs, etc. Let's not act like it's impossible to acquire offensive talent.
My point is offensive guys are rarely developed at the rate that defensive guys are. Most of our hits on offense are guys who were highly rated coming out of HS. Those guys carry a higher price tag - you disagree? The majority of our defensive studs were not prolific recruits coming out of HS. Hence, they had a lower price tag. Prior to NIL, "price tag" meant blue blood offers.

2-3 star defensive players - off the top of my head.

DL -
Donald
Clancy
Romeus
Sheard
Mick Williams
Jones
Mustakas
Weaver
Tywman

LB
Blades
McKillop
Session
Hayes
Dennis

DB
Revis
Lay
Walker
Jackson
Pinnock
Mathis
Decicco




But, lets also take a deeper dive on some of those guys you listed and how they got to PITT. Do you think Boyd and Johnson come to PITT if not for PSU's scandal? Do you think Shady McCoy even sniffs PITT if he doesn't have a catastrophic ankle injury in HS which causes him to go to Milford and then has a falling out with Michael Robinson and JoePa?
 
My point is offensive guys are rarely developed at the rate that defensive guys are. Most of our hits on offense are guys who were highly rated coming out of HS. Those guys carry a higher price tag - you disagree? The majority of our defensive studs were not prolific recruits coming out of HS. Hence, they had a lower price tag. Prior to NIL, "price tag" meant blue blood offers.

2-3 star defensive players - off the top of my head.

DL -
Donald
Clancy
Romeus
Sheard
Mick Williams
Jones
Mustakas
Weaver
Tywman

LB
Blades
McKillop
Session
Hayes
Dennis

DB
Revis
Lay
Walker
Jackson
Pinnock
Mathis
Decicco




But, lets also take a deeper dive on some of those guys you listed and how they got to PITT. Do you think Boyd and Johnson come to PITT if not for PSU's scandal? Do you think Shady McCoy even sniffs PITT if he doesn't have a catastrophic ankle injury in HS which causes him to go to Milford and then has a falling out with Michael Robinson and JoePa?

West Virginia built a juggernaut recruiting low-rated offensive players.

Pitt has had plenty of offensive talent that didn't have ridiculously high offers.

So, yes - I am telling you it's possible to assemble a very good offense if your coach knows what he is doing on that side of the ball. Kansas, Indiana, Duke, Wake Forest, Purdue... we've seen some pretty unremarkable programs have some good offenses.
 
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Pitt has had plenty of offensive talent that didn't have ridiculously high offers.
Who?

Dion Lewis? That was 15 years ago.

James Conner? He was defensive recruit and that was 11 years ago.

Antonio Bryant? That was 25 years ago..


So, yes - I am telling you it's possible to assemble a very good offense if your coach knows what he is doing on that side of the ball. Kansas, Indiana, Duke, Wake Forest, Purdue... we've seen some pretty unremarkable programs have some good offenses.

Kansas? 414/game - 30ppg

Purdue? 320/game - 17ppg

Duke? 342/game - 27ppg

Wake? 375/game - 26ppg

PITT is putting up 413/game and scoring 33ppg...
 
That was 20 years ago. Who is doing that now? Who has an offensive juggernaut with very lowly rated offensive players?

Who has a defensive juggernaut with very lowly-rated players? Who said I expect our offense to be a juggernaut?

I can name some top offenses that don't recruit high, but then you'll just tell me it's a result of who they played (meanwhile, most Narduzzi defensive success is contingent on playing a QB/offense who isn't too talented, also).

I want a head coach who has a better prowess on both sides of the ball. That ain't a sin.
 
Who?

Dion Lewis? That was 15 years ago.

James Conner? He was defensive recruit and that was 11 years ago.

Antonio Bryant? That was 25 years ago..




Kansas? 414/game - 30ppg

Purdue? 320/game - 17ppg

Duke? 342/game - 27ppg

Wake? 375/game - 26ppg

PITT is putting up 413/game and scoring 33ppg...

Yeah, I was talking about 1-10 Purdue this season and not what they did under Brohm. I was talking about Wake Forest this season and not what they did in 2021, etc. Obviously I was talking about recent - not necessarily 2024 - iterations of those teams. Give me a freaking break thinking anybody would be that stupid.

And this notion that defensive players can be developed but offensive players have to be high recruits is unbelievably inaccurate. You see it everywhere. That includes Pitt (Kenny Pickett, Jimmy Morrissey, Brian O'Neill, Desmond Reid, etc.), but the reason there aren't a ton of recent Pitt examples is exactly what my point is in the first place: Narduzzi doesn't produce enough offensive talent. Baker Mayfield, Trey Lance, Carson Wentz, Daniel Jones, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Zach Wilson, Michael Penix, Ashton Jeanty, Antonio Brown, Tyreke Hill, and a bazillion other guys say "wassup?"
 
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It would be a slap in the face to everyone who owns a television for these sluggards to receive another second of air time after next week. For the sake of optical decency, let this season expire as soon as possible.

They wont decline but Pitt was applauded last year for declining the NIT. I was disappointed because the "new NIT" is a pretty good tournament. And its much harder to make the NCAAT than a bowl game. Only the best 45ish teams make the NCAA Tournament. If you are the 46th or 47th best team in the country, as the committee felt Pitt was last year, that's still pretty good since there's 350 teams.
 
And this notion that defensive players can be developed but offensive players have to be high recruits is unbelievably inaccurate.
I never said offensive players can't be developed. I said the hit rate is higher for defensive players. I don't think you'll find many coaches who would disagree with that notion. You might ask "why?" It's probably due to offensive football is akin to a combination of skill moreso then defense is. And, no I'm not saying defensive guys aren't skilled. What I'm saying is if you run 4.4 and can't catch a ball, you still might have a chance to play some defense. If you aren't skilled enough to play RB but you run fast and have some size, you might be able to play some LB. You're undersized but you can get off the ball, you probably have a better chance to play DL then OL. You aren't too bright to handle an offensive playbook, well maybe you can handle a defensive one.

Most coaches realize there is more flexibility on the defensive side of the ball for a variety of reasons.
That includes Pitt (Kenny Pickett, Jimmy Morrissey, Brian O'Neill, Desmond Reid, etc.), but the reason there aren't a ton of recent Pitt examples is exactly what my point is in the first place: Narduzzi doesn't produce enough offensive talent.
Narduzzi doesn't produce or recruit enough offensive talent? I think most would agree that it's a recruiting thing moreso then a developmental thing.
Baker Mayfield, Trey Lance, Carson Wentz, Daniel Jones, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Zach Wilson, Michael Penix, Ashton Jeanty, Antonio Brown, Tyreke Hill, and a bazillion other guys say "wassup?"
Trey Lance, Carson Wentz? These are 1AA guys. How was Trey "developed?" He unlike the majority of NDSU QB's played right away and played well. Carson didn't play until later in his career. If you follow my posts on here, I've written a bunch on NDSU. If you want to see development - study what they do on the OL.

Penix was a 4 star coming out of HS. He was the 14th rated QB coming out of the class with offers from Oregon, FSU, Tennessee, etc.

Tyreeke Hill was a 4 star with offers from Alabama, etc..

Outside of Mahomes, the rest of the guys were not playing P5 football. I'm not sure it's the apples to apples comparison you think it is.
 
I never said offensive players can't be developed. I said the hit rate is higher for defensive players. I don't think you'll find many coaches who would disagree with that notion. You might ask "why?" It's probably due to offensive football is akin to a combination of skill moreso then defense is. And, no I'm not saying defensive guys aren't skilled. What I'm saying is if you run 4.4 and can't catch a ball, you still might have a chance to play some defense. If you aren't skilled enough to play RB but you run fast and have some size, you might be able to play some LB. You're undersized but you can get off the ball, you probably have a better chance to play DL then OL. You aren't too bright to handle an offensive playbook, well maybe you can handle a defensive one.

Most coaches realize there is more flexibility on the defensive side of the ball for a variety of reasons.

Narduzzi doesn't produce or recruit enough offensive talent? I think most would agree that it's a recruiting thing moreso then a developmental thing.

Trey Lance, Carson Wentz? These are 1AA guys. How was Trey "developed?" He unlike the majority of NDSU QB's played right away and played well. Carson didn't play until later in his career. If you follow my posts on here, I've written a bunch on NDSU. If you want to see development - study what they do on the OL.

Penix was a 4 star coming out of HS. He was the 14th rated QB coming out of the class with offers from Oregon, FSU, Tennessee, etc.

Tyreeke Hill was a 4 star with offers from Alabama, etc..

Outside of Mahomes, the rest of the guys were not playing P5 football. I'm not sure it's the apples to apples comparison you think it is.

Penix was a Composite 3-star.

Mahomes 3-star.

Allen 2-star.

Jones 3-star.

Mayfield 3-star.

O-linemen and quarterbacks come out of nowhere all the time. I could just as easily say d-linemen need to be more explosive than o-linemen so they're often moved to offense and not the opposite. See: TJ Clemmings and plenty others.
 
O-linemen and quarterbacks come out of nowhere all the time. I could just as easily say d-linemen need to be more explosive than o-linemen so they're often moved to offense and not the opposite. See: TJ Clemmings and plenty others.
So you're sticking by the premise that it's just as easy to develop offensive talent as it is defensive?

If that's the case, Duzz/DW/Walt must've had the magic wand when it came to developing defensive players who were 2-3 star types...
 
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So you're sticking by the premise that it's just as easy to develop offensive talent as it is defensive?

If that's the case, Duzz/DW/Walt must've had the magic wand when it came to developing defensive players who were 2-3 star types...

Okay, and programs like Stanford regularly have churned out offensive linemen, tight ends, etc. My premise is that Narduzzi - be it because of recruiting, development, coaching hires, or whatever else - has mismanaged the offense, for the most part, in his time here.
 
I never said offensive players can't be developed. I said the hit rate is higher for defensive players. I don't think you'll find many coaches who would disagree with that notion. You might ask "why?" It's probably due to offensive football is akin to a combination of skill moreso then defense is. And, no I'm not saying defensive guys aren't skilled. What I'm saying is if you run 4.4 and can't catch a ball, you still might have a chance to play some defense. If you aren't skilled enough to play RB but you run fast and have some size, you might be able to play some LB. You're undersized but you can get off the ball, you probably have a better chance to play DL then OL. You aren't too bright to handle an offensive playbook, well maybe you can handle a defensive one.

Most coaches realize there is more flexibility on the defensive side of the ball for a variety of reasons.

Narduzzi doesn't produce or recruit enough offensive talent? I think most would agree that it's a recruiting thing moreso then a developmental thing.

Trey Lance, Carson Wentz? These are 1AA guys. How was Trey "developed?" He unlike the majority of NDSU QB's played right away and played well. Carson didn't play until later in his career. If you follow my posts on here, I've written a bunch on NDSU. If you want to see development - study what they do on the OL.

Penix was a 4 star coming out of HS. He was the 14th rated QB coming out of the class with offers from Oregon, FSU, Tennessee, etc.

Tyreeke Hill was a 4 star with offers from Alabama, etc..

Outside of Mahomes, the rest of the guys were not playing P5 football. I'm not sure it's the apples to apples comparison you think it is.
Penix was actually committed to Tennessee for over a year. Butch Jones recruited Penix, but when that staff was let go Jeremy Pruitt pulled his offer and told Penix to look elsewhere.
 
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For sure. They also have calculus requirements, but I think that's more of a transfer hindrance than an incoming recruit thing. Nonetheless, it's a lot higher relative to their baseline than what Narduzzi is doing relative to our baseline.
That might not be bad. They can get players who can do calculus and thus not lose count on the snap count.
 
It’s easier to have a successful offense with lower ranked recruits than it is a successful defense with lower ranked .

Year to Year offensive rankings correlate less with recruiting class rankings than year to year defensive success.

There just aren’t a lot of defensive versions of Mike Leach.
 
It’s easier to have a successful offense with lower ranked recruits than it is a successful defense with lower ranked .

Year to Year offensive rankings correlate less with recruiting class rankings than year to year defensive success.

There just aren’t a lot of defensive versions of Mike Leach.

And a good QB or WR can score you enough points to win even with a poor OL. So if you can get 1, maybe 2 or 3 good offensive players, you have a chance to scheme around that and be good enough. This isnt the case on defense.
 
And a good QB or WR can score you enough points to win even with a poor OL. So if you can get 1, maybe 2 or 3 good offensive players, you have a chance to scheme around that and be good enough. This isnt the case on defense.
Bro - you aren't sustaining any kind of success with a "poor" OL at any level whether this is pop warner or the NFL.
 
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Proximity to talent still matters, even in the NIL world.

GT is closer to talent.
GA TECH is stepping up their NIL game. They landed this 5-star OL for $800K per year. Just last week, they got a commit from a Top 10 basketball recruit for the Class of 26.

Their NIL budget for football alone is $5 million.

 
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GA TECH is stepping up their NIL game. They landed this 5-star OL for $800K per year. Just last week, they got a commit from a Top 10 basketball recruit for the Class of 26.

Their NIL budget for football alone is $5 million.


I’m sure they are. You aren’t landing a 5* without some level of spending. But it’s not a coincidence he’s from GA.
 
Okay, and programs like Stanford regularly have churned out offensive linemen, tight ends, etc. My premise is that Narduzzi - be it because of recruiting, development, coaching hires, or whatever else - has mismanaged the offense, for the most part, in his time here.
Stanford's NFL OL since 2014 (10 year window) -

Dalman - 3 star
Walker Little - 5 star
Kyle Murphy - 5 star
Josh Garnett - 4 star
David Yankey - 3 star
Andrus Peat - 5 star

Stanford seems to be pulling in a different caliber of lineman then we have in the last 10 years. That well might be drying up though because Stanford has seen 5 straight losing seasons.
So a bunch of circular logic, and now we're back to square one, whereby I said recruiting is part of the job duties and Narduzzi hasn't done well enough on offense. I know you think you won this debate. You didn't.
My OP was in response to someone who thinks we're in the position we're in because of "coaching."
 
Happened to watch this today.

34:30 mark

You are missing what I'm saying. Or maybe I'm not explaining it well enough.

Guys who are being recruited for offense straight out of HS, are usually more established and known compared to a kid on defense. Why? The film shows them with the ball 90% of the time. You'll get varying opinions but playing receiver or RB - most think your either born with it or not. It's easy to project that position group and put a market value on it.

On the flipside, you can have a kid like Bryan Knight who was not skilled enough to play WR on an average football team at PITT when he was a freshman. However, he had the minimal size requirements for a 5 tech and had excellent speed for that position. There are so many DL who have a low price tag because while that position requires known measurables, many of these guys don't show it on film in HS because they haven't been coached up. The same can be said about defensive backs. Many times these players are stuck in a heavy run league and recruiters don't really get a chance to see them flip their hips, turn, and run. They don't see how well the backpedal, plant, and go. Hence, they have a much lower price tag coming out of HS.

If you talk to Duzz, he'll tell you his defense only requires 2 true DL. Where can you do that on the offensive line?

It's very true that it's hard to hide on defense compared to offense. But, where on offense can you take a kid who can't catch the damn ball at receiver or rb nowadays? It doesn't matter how fast they are. If they can't catch the ball, their useless. But, I can take that and possibly make him an NFL corner - see Darryl Green or even Ike Taylor.

Besides RB, where can I take a 5'10-6' 215lb kid who runs a 4.6-4.7 and play him on a P5 offense? I have a better chance of taking that skillset to LB or safety then anywhere else.

I used to be a huge Gary Patterson fan and all the TCU guys would say it's easier finding strong safeties and olb's then any position on the field. Why? You can find great athletes who don't have great size much easier then you can great athletes WITH size. Size is more overrated on defense then it is offense.
 
GA TECH is stepping up their NIL game. They landed this 5-star OL for $800K per year. Just last week, they got a commit from a Top 10 basketball recruit for the Class of 26.

Their NIL budget for football alone is $5 million.

5 million for football is not enough

Pitt's 2024 NIL budget for football was 6 million for reference
 
You are missing what I'm saying. Or maybe I'm not explaining it well enough.

Guys who are being recruited for offense straight out of HS, are usually more established and known compared to a kid on defense. Why? The film shows them with the ball 90% of the time. You'll get varying opinions but playing receiver or RB - most think your either born with it or not. It's easy to project that position group and put a market value on it.

On the flipside, you can have a kid like Bryan Knight who was not skilled enough to play WR on an average football team at PITT when he was a freshman. However, he had the minimal size requirements for a 5 tech and had excellent speed for that position. There are so many DL who have a low price tag because while that position requires known measurables, many of these guys don't show it on film in HS because they haven't been coached up. The same can be said about defensive backs. Many times these players are stuck in a heavy run league and recruiters don't really get a chance to see them flip their hips, turn, and run. They don't see how well the backpedal, plant, and go. Hence, they have a much lower price tag coming out of HS.

If you talk to Duzz, he'll tell you his defense only requires 2 true DL. Where can you do that on the offensive line?

It's very true that it's hard to hide on defense compared to offense. But, where on offense can you take a kid who can't catch the damn ball at receiver or rb nowadays? It doesn't matter how fast they are. If they can't catch the ball, their useless. But, I can take that and possibly make him an NFL corner - see Darryl Green or even Ike Taylor.

Besides RB, where can I take a 5'10-6' 215lb kid who runs a 4.6-4.7 and play him on a P5 offense? I have a better chance of taking that skillset to LB or safety then anywhere else.

I used to be a huge Gary Patterson fan and all the TCU guys would say it's easier finding strong safeties and olb's then any position on the field. Why? You can find great athletes who don't have great size much easier then you can great athletes WITH size. Size is more overrated on defense then it is offense.
 
You are missing what I'm saying. Or maybe I'm not explaining it well enough.

Guys who are being recruited for offense straight out of HS, are usually more established and known compared to a kid on defense. Why? The film shows them with the ball 90% of the time. You'll get varying opinions but playing receiver or RB - most think your either born with it or not. It's easy to project that position group and put a market value on it.

On the flipside, you can have a kid like Bryan Knight who was not skilled enough to play WR on an average football team at PITT when he was a freshman. However, he had the minimal size requirements for a 5 tech and had excellent speed for that position. There are so many DL who have a low price tag because while that position requires known measurables, many of these guys don't show it on film in HS because they haven't been coached up. The same can be said about defensive backs. Many times these players are stuck in a heavy run league and recruiters don't really get a chance to see them flip their hips, turn, and run. They don't see how well the backpedal, plant, and go. Hence, they have a much lower price tag coming out of HS.

If you talk to Duzz, he'll tell you his defense only requires 2 true DL. Where can you do that on the offensive line?

It's very true that it's hard to hide on defense compared to offense. But, where on offense can you take a kid who can't catch the damn ball at receiver or rb nowadays? It doesn't matter how fast they are. If they can't catch the ball, their useless. But, I can take that and possibly make him an NFL corner - see Darryl Green or even Ike Taylor.

Besides RB, where can I take a 5'10-6' 215lb kid who runs a 4.6-4.7 and play him on a P5 offense? I have a better chance of taking that skillset to LB or safety then anywhere else.

I used to be a huge Gary Patterson fan and all the TCU guys would say it's easier finding strong safeties and olb's then any position on the field. Why? You can find great athletes who don't have great size much easier then you can great athletes WITH size. Size is more overrated on defense then it is offense.

I just don't think I agree with offense requiring higher recruits than defense. Like I said - if anything, I always hear about how defensive linemen have to be much twitchier and that d linemen can be converted to o linemen but not vice versa. Not to mention converted tight ends that bulk up to play o line.

If you want to say receivers can be converted to defensive backs easier than the inverse, then okay. That one I'd agree with, due to needing to possess the ability to catch the ball.

But how many low-rated quarterbacks come about to be solid players because their intangibles/understanding of the game were so difficult to predict? Feels like a lot.

And then low-rated tight ends are always emerging to be big-time players.

Hockenson - very low 3 star.
Kittle - very low 3 star (2 on some places).
Fant - average 3 star.
LaPorta - low 3 star.

But Iowa knows how to develop tight ends.

I'd tend to agree with you that linebacker is a position where low-rated guys often surface as well.

What they're saying in that video is defense is more about measurables, whereas on offense you can scheme some things up to succeed in spite of them. Whether that's true, mostly true, or it's closer to a push, I'm definitely not seeing enough evidence that it's the opposite.

But the bottom line, and what my point was, is that Narduzzi isn't doing well enough on offense regardless of the reason: recruiting, coaching, development... whatever. And I can't be convinced that there aren't coaches who could do much better on that side of the ball... yes, even at Pitt.
 
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It would be a slap in the face to everyone who owns a television for these sluggards to receive another second of air time after next week. For the sake of optical decency, let this season expire as soon as possible.
dont be a moron

PLEASE EXCEPT A BOWL INVITATION

Holy fn shit... one bad game? And we have to read this crap.

The week before we nearly beat Clemson. What kind of absolute idiot would turn down a bowl game for playing in 2 bad games the whole year?

Take your midol
 
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It would be a slap in the face to everyone who owns a television for these sluggards to receive another second of air time after next week. For the sake of optical decency, let this season expire as soon as possible

Disagree! There are benefits to playing in a bowl and I would doubt they would turn down the opportunity
 
dont be a moron

PLEASE EXCEPT A BOWL INVITATION

Holy fn shit... one bad game? And we have to read this crap.

The week before we nearly beat Clemson. What kind of absolute idiot would turn down a bowl game for playing in 2 bad games the whole year?

Take your midol

Agree 100%! We should except this bowl game. Play in every game this season except this one.
 
I just don't think I agree with offense requiring higher recruits than defense. Like I said - if anything, I always hear about how defensive linemen have to be much twitchier and that d linemen can be converted to o linemen but not vice versa. Not to mention converted tight ends that bulk up to play o line.
DL have to be more twitchy - for sure - I absolutely agree with that. But, there are a lot of other positions out there where you can take that necessary quickness and convert it to a DL, moreso then the other way around. Even w/out converting guys to the DL, it's easier to land a 6'3-6'5 195-205lb HS kid who has some quicks and keep him in the program for a few years and he's now a 240-260lb pass rusher. See Romeus, Sheard, Clermond, etc. There are a lot of underdeveloped kids that fit that profile.
But how many low-rated quarterbacks come about to be solid players because their intangibles/understanding of the game were so difficult to predict? Feels like a lot.
QB's are the hardest eval along with OL imo. Once you get past the top 10% of that position group, it's a crapshoot imho. There are just too many variables. But, I often see QB's who are productive because they aren't asked to do much and they have a nice supporting cast.
And then low-rated tight ends are always emerging to be big-time players.

Hockenson - very low 3 star.
Kittle - very low 3 star (2 on some places).
Fant - average 3 star.
LaPorta - low 3 star.

But Iowa knows how to develop tight ends.
TE's are the most position flexible group on offense. They're essentially hybrids and we see them in all shapes and sizes. It's the one position group on offense where you can legitimately hide their weaknesses and feature their strengths. For instance, if they can't block from an inline position - so what? Get them off the ball, RPO them, flex them out, pull them in the run game, etc.. You can't really do that at QB/RB/WR, nowadays imho.

And, you are 100% correct - Iowa knows how to develop guys not just at TE but damn near every position minus QB/WR/RB. They're sound everywhere else.
 
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