Now that Jurkovec is (un)officially benched, who should start next week’s homecoming game against Louisville? Feel free to explain why below.
Poll: Veilleux or Yarnell
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Here’s the answer - nobody here really has a clue.
Can have an opinion of course. But it’s based on very little hence my first statement.
And there are some I’m sure who don’t want Veillieux simply because of where he came from.
Can have an opinion of course. But it’s based on very little hence my first statement.
And there are some I’m sure who don’t want Veillieux simply because of where he came from.
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Of course, but this is asking who do you want to start, not who will start. Just wanted to gauge where the board stood.
I gotcha. Wasn’t trying to dump on it. Just some of those posts on this subject come across as if the poster absolutely knows that’s the right way to go.
I chose not to vote simply because I think the starting QB job is probably still up for grabs. If Narduzzi and Cignetti are going full reset here, I think both should get reps with the first team over the next several days; treat this week's practice like an audition and may the better man win
Personally I could care less which of the two gets the start vs Louisville. I care that the starter has the full support and confidence from the team and the coaches
Personally I could care less which of the two gets the start vs Louisville. I care that the starter has the full support and confidence from the team and the coaches
But if he's number two to Jurkovec (and we saw how HE did) what does that say about Veilleux? CV and NY have to reset and earn that spot in the next 7-9 days
For sure, and you bring up valid points. Here’s to hoping the best QB wins!
I will be most excited when the OC is fired. I guess Pitt has to give CV a chance but he didn't look good at all when he was in.
Here's what we have so far:
I vote for the guy who played a game on the road while Cignetti was the OC and played well.... He was recruited and developed by Pitt. The others are hand me downs, failures and do nothings. Where's the loyalty, coach?
If he doesn't do well, then you can replace him with Veilleux. At least we don't have to look back and say, What if? If you don't give him a shot, you're telling him he has no future with Pitt and will leave at season's end. Then you'll have Veilleux, Diffenbach and Duggar as your QB's next season... Not good...
| Veilleux: | CMP | ATT | CMP% | YDS | AVG | TD | INT | LNG | RTG |
| 2023 | 12 | 27 | 44.4 | 145 | 5.4 | 1 | 2 | 40 | 87.0 |
| 2022 | 7 | 9 | 77.8 | 44 | 4.9 | 0 | 0 | 13 | 118.8 |
| 2021 | 16 | 26 | 61.5 | 238 | 9.2 | 3 | 0 | 67 | 176.5 |
| Yarnell: | CMP | ATT | CMP% | YDS | AVG | TD | INT | LNG | RTG |
| 2022 | 10 | 14 | 71.4 | 195 | 13.9 | 1 | 0 | 39 | 212 |
I vote for the guy who played a game on the road while Cignetti was the OC and played well.... He was recruited and developed by Pitt. The others are hand me downs, failures and do nothings. Where's the loyalty, coach?
If he doesn't do well, then you can replace him with Veilleux. At least we don't have to look back and say, What if? If you don't give him a shot, you're telling him he has no future with Pitt and will leave at season's end. Then you'll have Veilleux, Diffenbach and Duggar as your QB's next season... Not good...
I voted for CV. Only a fool would pretend to evaluate him in that debacle of a UNC game. Everybody was shell shocked, from the coaches on down. But before that, he was highly sought by better programs that pay handsomely for recruits, more than Yarnell. I can also respect anyone who sours on and flees PSU.
Also Yarnell didn’t look too impressive in the full game he played Vs a terrible program like WMU. I gave him points because he was only a pure FR. Still I’d think a P5 with any ability should be able to dominate a pile of steaming dog sh1t like WMU, and he didn’t. He was barely adequate. Some of that is cowardly coaching I realize.
I’m really not thrilled at the idea of either. But something had to be done and these are all we got.
Also Yarnell didn’t look too impressive in the full game he played Vs a terrible program like WMU. I gave him points because he was only a pure FR. Still I’d think a P5 with any ability should be able to dominate a pile of steaming dog sh1t like WMU, and he didn’t. He was barely adequate. Some of that is cowardly coaching I realize.
I’m really not thrilled at the idea of either. But something had to be done and these are all we got.
As someone once pointed out in a song, if you chose not to decide you still have made a choice.
Enough already. There was and will never be competition for any spot under this regime. Back up or otherwise.
He was promised to start with no competition next year, after Jurkovec was promised to start THIS year with no competition. Like Slovis last year. Jurk wasn’t supposed to ever be taken out this season, but it just went completely tragic this season with Jurk that finally even Narduzzi (or, wink wink, somebody else more …blond … than Duz) put their foot down.
If it isn’t clear by now, I’m an old dude who dislikes this whole crappy model, particularly this whole forsaking of recruiting and developing QBs to actually play for more than a year and not having to beg and bribe someone else’s failures to come here, often with utter contempt for Pitt like Slovis and especially Jurkovec clearly had.
Did you think next year's starting quarterback was on the roster 10 games into the 2017 season when to that point Narduzzi had been sending Max Browne or Ben DiNucci out to start every game?
Yarnell knows the system and has completions of >15 yards to GB, Mumpfield, and Means in one game. While that may sound trivial, aside from the first 2 games last year pre-concussion for Slovis, he is the only QB to accomplish that against a P5/G5 school since. PJ did it against Wofford. It at least suggests even though he was given limited chances to throw, he was willing to push the field and actually completed a pass to Means.
I honestly don't care too much. If I thought either might be the future I'd be a little more invested, but I don't think that. We're just burning clock until December, in my opinion. Give me a little of both just so we can nitpick over which G5 quarterback is slightly better than his colleague.
Possibly. If they were just going to go through the motions the rest of the way, Narduzzi would have decided (or had been allowed to decide, if one prefers the truth) to continue to roll out Jurkovec to the bitter end. That’s what he’d vowed to do as early as this Monday, after all. He showed already he was willing to lose all the games to keep his promise to these transfer QBs like Slovis and Jurkovec if they “choose” us.
I don’t know enough of either backup to think anything of them. They admittedly don’t look like much. But I didn’t think anything of Flacco when he standing like a scrawny sapling next to Walt Harris. Before that, Tyler Palko looked clumsy and shaky in the couple times he got in to play in place of Rutherford. Fans were watching him in a couple hopeless games much like the UNC loss and, guess what, he didn’t look any more impressive than Veillieux did. There were murmurs to be sure. But he turned into a solid QB.
Does that mean CV develop into any thing close to even Tyler Palko? No, but it certainly is not a reason to dismiss him either. It’s almost laughable anyone ruled CV out after seeing him but about twenty minutes in emergency relief in the UNC game, a team with some of the better talent money can buy in P5. That was a game that was completely over by the point CV entered; the players and especially the coaches had quit by that time. You want to cite “burning clock”, the second half of UNC was the definition of THAT. That is one you burn the tape on, or stomp the flash drive, or delete from the cloud, or whatever.
I admired Yarnell for not screwing up in the WMU game he was thrown into last season, it showed poise; and while he showed very little else but that, it’s something, anyway. Slovis and Jurkovec, two five star guys in nearly their mid 20s, show(ed) little of the same. I don’t think Yarnell is anything based solely on nobody ELSE wanting him, but I’m willing to see more.
So at least for awhile it will be interesting to see what these guys bring and whether they rest of the team and staff will also bring anything. The coaches are frankly the ones I’m most worried about. I’ve about given up on Cignetti and Narduzzi after this debacle.I think there’s little doubt Lyke beat on Narduzzi to make a change with fears of a completely empty stadium on homecoming and a quasi-national broadcast (dam, we could use a nooner).
This was a very damaging month and half. E didn’t merely lose. It was like Waterloo, like Stalingrad. Cig is certainly gone, the lamest duck ever, and Duz will be given a lifeline only due to his contract and the value of “continuity” 🙄.
And I expect the two of them to both be childish and half-assing as a result. The game plans will be interesting, but in the context that I expect them to be NOT THE LEAST BIT interesting, to “protect” these QBs, but also because they might not give a sh1t. “Make us bench our guy? Hate us trying to win 17-16? Well enjoy us trying to win 7-6”
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I look at it like this: If CV was thought to be "the guy," then any transfer promises made to Jurkovec wouldn't have mattered, because no one would remember them in three years (when CV is done being the guy) anyway. So that notion, in conjunction with what I saw with my own two eyes, doesn't bode well for me. In addition, as someone said, if CV was that good then he wouldn't have been 3rd string at Penn State and they wouldn't have let him walk. I know it's Penn State, but nobody has three good quarterbacks. Most of the SEC this year doesn't have one good one.
I totally agree. Good post…
If CV is the guy moving forward, then so be it. Let’s see what he does. However, if he doesn’t do well, then the leash should be short. We are playing for next season and we need to see what we have right now.
I agree Yarnell has 2 years in this system, he should be WAYYY more of a plug and play than CV. CV may have a higher ceiling but Yarnell should have a better grasp of the concepts
AND I DO NOT TRUST THE COACHES ON THIS, Look at the RB Decisions and how this whole Jurkcovec thing has been handled, look at the OLINE and Baer sitting early??? . Our coaches on the offensive side of the ball are baffoons as of late
I voted for the one who appears more mobile - CV. They both have decent arms. Now we find out which has the better FB brain.
Go Pitt.
Go Pitt.
You hit the nail on the head. I believe CV will get the nod because of mobility. However what’s between the ears will tell the story…
Would love to know where we are shopping that Joey Yellen is the premium option.
Agreed on the coaches. They’ve blown whatever legitimacy they had with how they have thrown so many wins away, both last season and this one.
They need nothing less than a redemption like the season Walt Harris started 1-5. However this staff is more likely to FINISH 1-5
If your eyes had seen more than twenty minutes of time in a hopeless cause, I’d be with you on it, but I just haven’t seen enough. And these days our prep recruiting has become so poor, especially prep QBs, that even Penn State’s (or any of the big spender programs 3rd stringer) is going to have better credentials than what we’re scraping off the shoes of high school programs these days.
That said I said at the start that I’m not thrilled about either of these guys, but Jurkovec is dead and gone and these are (to evoke memories of Big Ben in his better playing, happier, drunken, rapey times), Mr. Right Now
So you trust the judgement of the same coaches who thought Jurk was answer?
As a program, we're basically starting all over. And every time you do that, the chances are you're going to end up where you recruit.
Right now, we're 8th in the ACC. Last year, we were 14th (dead last) in the ACC. 2021 was higher, but that's already something close to an irrelevant data point, as we saw that most of the players are busts (and Covid probably prevented it from being ranked properly in the first place).
So I'm expecting to be around the 10th best program in the ACC for the next few years. It'll change when we bring in a head coach who gets better players. Transfers will influence it a bit, but it's not like the schools that recruit well don't get the better transfers, too - if anything, it creates more of a chasm.
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Mobility it’s definitely critical with this OL. Like much of the rest of the team, I think the OL has more talent than it has shown and just has been demoralized playing for a hopeless QB who seems to be kind of a d-bag. Not to mention for coaches determined (up until Tuesday) to stick with Jurk at all costs, when the other players get yanked for any matter of transgression, no matter how minor. That destroys the will of a team.
But that’s, sigh, not likely. They probably just aren’t that good either. But one has to hope
Probably. But “that’s why they play the games” and all that. I think that’s the Pirates slogan as well, though.
How bad has QB recruiting been when Joey Yellen couldn't even win the backup job at Hawaii this season? He's living right though. There's worse gigs than QB3 in Honolulu.
Miami and FSU are back, and they're both using the transfer portal to remain relevant.
Louisville now has a great coach and is going all in on NIL.
UNC has finally reached a point where they bring in enough talent that they can't suck in spite of coaching flaws.
Clemson in Clemson, and they have also said they will start using the portal next year.
Virginia Tech and NC State typically recruit higher than us. As has Stanford been lately.
SMU donors aren't messing around.
I don't know. Maybe I'm being too much of a defeatist, but I'm just not liking how some of this is looking. The second you lose momentum, you risk becoming Virginia, BC, Georgia Tech, etc.
I'm sure BC never expected to be at this point when they were 8-4, 9-4, 8-5, 9-3, 9-3, 10-3, 11-3, 9-5, 8-5 from 2001 - 2009. But they're still wishing they could be in the same zip code as that success.
You are making a lot of sense here. If Miami and FSU are finally fixed, there are a lot of other programs on the right track as you mentioned so it makes things harder.
