Question for liberal friends re: border

[PittMan2003]

Can you tell us in your words why you think it’s a big deal?

High cost of local, state, and federal resources. And allowing thousands to millions of unvetted people into the country is a local and national security risk. There were people from all over the world coming in and we had no way to know their intentions.

I am all for legal immigration where we at least know who the people are, can be selective, and perhaps they can assimilate. What Biden was doing with immigration was one of the bigger self owns in history (hopefully trumps tariffs don’t top that).

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Well Trump has made the border a non issue now. That’s facts.

Good. I'm all for it. Trump won 2 terms largely due to racism so if this non-issue is fixed, they'll have to run on something besides racism. The stock market is crashing and a recession is very likely and I would say 75% of MAGA idiots feel that illegal immigrants working on farms, hotels, and construction are the bigger problem.

 

[Millerton]

What about them? Fentanyl deaths are cause by drug addicts, not illegal immigrants. How have you decided that missing children are a product of illegal immigration? Americans rape women and children every day. Did you attend Pitt? When did you flunk out?

Umm that's how the children became missing....through our wide open borders. Fentanyl crossed our wide open borders.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

So you think letting in illegal immigrants at the levels of Biden was sustainable?

Yes. I dont think it matters much. We need the workers. If I lived in a border state, maybe my answer would be different but I live in PA. Illegal immigration has absolutely 0 affect on me or this area. In fact, we probably need more of it. I waited 20+ minutes in the drive thru for fast food twice recently.

 

[Millerton]

Good. I'm all for it. Trump won 2 terms largely due to racism so if this non-issue is fixed, they'll have to run on something besides racism. The stock market is crashing and a recession is very likely and I would say 75% of MAGA idiots feel that illegal immigrants working on farms, hotels, and construction are the bigger problem.

People from 120 countries entered with different skin pigments, ideologies, and religions, how is it racist? Americans will work those jobs or there still is work visas. Stock market is a blip. We've all seen the graph. Racism 100% is owned by the left. It's the 1st thing u see. Throughout our history it's skin color checking boxes left. I get it, it's a humongous pill to swallow. U need an intervention.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

High cost of local, state, and federal resources. And allowing thousands to millions of unvetted people into the country is a local and national security risk. There were people from all over the world coming in and we had no way to know their intentions.

- Your share of paying for illegal immigrants is $3

- the security risk is 100% made-up. They commit less crimes per capital than Americans. They are regular people. Some of them are bad just like regular Americans.

Question though, is Trump going to build a wall. I am 10000% for it but only so we can stop losing elections based on this non-issue. I know the Dems fought it last time but can't he declare some fake national emergency like he does for everything else.

 

[jtownknowitall]

Umm that's how the children became missing....through our wide open borders. Fentanyl crossed our wide open borders.

So, they’re being kidnapped by illegal immigrants? And you’re saying how many? How is fentanyl really crossing our borders? When did you flunk out of Pitt?

 

[Fk_Pitt]

- Your share of paying for illegal immigrants is $3

Who told you that? Estimating the cost of illegal immigration to the average American is tricky because it depends on how you crunch the numbers—total costs, population estimates, and tax contributions all vary across studies. One widely cited figure comes from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), which in 2023 pegged the annual net cost at $150.7 billion. They arrived at this by subtracting $31 billion in taxes paid by an estimated 15.5 million illegal immigrants from a gross cost of $182 billion for services like education, healthcare, and law enforcement. Breaking that down, FAIR estimates each American taxpayer foots about $1,156 per year, or roughly $957 after factoring in those taxes. That’s based on dividing the net cost by the number of taxpaying households, which they approximate at 130 million.

So over the last ten years its cost the average taxpayer 12K.

 

[PittMan2003]

Who told you that? Estimating the cost of illegal immigration to the average American is tricky because it depends on how you crunch the numbers—total costs, population estimates, and tax contributions all vary across studies. One widely cited figure comes from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), which in 2023 pegged the annual net cost at $150.7 billion. They arrived at this by subtracting $31 billion in taxes paid by an estimated 15.5 million illegal immigrants from a gross cost of $182 billion for services like education, healthcare, and law enforcement. Breaking that down, FAIR estimates each American taxpayer foots about $1,156 per year, or roughly $957 after factoring in those taxes. That’s based on dividing the net cost by the number of taxpaying households, which they approximate at 130 million.

So over the last ten years its cost the average taxpayer 12K.

I think most of these folks just don’t know facts other than the leftwing talking points. Sure it goes both ways. But some of these guys didn’t even know Trump stopped border crossings so dramatically. I googled it and it was hardly covered by legacy media. So you can see why some of them are not informed.

 

[joeydavid]

You just can’t admit it can you? A few on your side were honest enough to admit Trump is fixing the border.

Most of the leftists here denied the facts but when they couldn’t deny any longer just minimized the border problem and said it was never a big deal. Decent cope.

1. I don't begrudge anyone for trying to make their lives better.

2. We have a population fluctuation problem.

3. Immigrants are good for business and especially food our dying rural towns.

4. Immigrants are good for inflation.

5. Illegals didn't drop from 2016 to 2020.

6. What I said was- the numbers will be about the same in 2028 as they are now.

Simple question how many people snuck into country versus turned themselves into border patrol? You and I have no f'n clue.

Why do you think Biden was more effective than dotard donny at deporting people who shouldn't be here?

I listen to a coyote being interviewed on the topic- he said that he and others just switched up their methods because people don't trust that they will get their due process now.

Brilliant, like dotard donny says, "if you don't count them, they don't exist".

 

[Fk_Pitt]

I think most of these folks just don’t know facts other than the leftwing talking points. Sure it goes both ways. But some of these guys didn’t even know Trump stopped border crossings so dramatically. I googled it and it was hardly covered by legacy media. So you can see why some of them are not informed.

I don’t understand the reliance on the legacy media. These posters talk about oligarchs, the 1%, the “big corporations” and yet are being duped by their propaganda which is delivered by said media.

 

[joeydavid]

Who told you that? Estimating the cost of illegal immigration to the average American is tricky because it depends on how you crunch the numbers—total costs, population estimates, and tax contributions all vary across studies. One widely cited figure comes from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), which in 2023 pegged the annual net cost at $150.7 billion. They arrived at this by subtracting $31 billion in taxes paid by an estimated 15.5 million illegal immigrants from a gross cost of $182 billion for services like education, healthcare, and law enforcement. Breaking that down, FAIR estimates each American taxpayer foots about $1,156 per year, or roughly $957 after factoring in those taxes. That’s based on dividing the net cost by the number of taxpaying households, which they approximate at 130 million.

So over the last ten years its cost the average taxpayer 12K.

Well, if a white supremacists group says so, it must be correct. 😆😅🤣🤣😆

 

[joeydavid]

I don’t understand the reliance on the legacy media. These posters talk about oligarchs, the 1%, the “big corporations” and yet are being duped by their propaganda which is delivered by said media.

You just quoted a white supremacists group on immigration. Lol. That's some funny shit.

 

[WeaverIsComing]

I hope we can all agree that we need a northern wall to keep the canadians out.

 

[jtownknowitall]

I hope we can all agree that we need a northern wall to keep the canadians out.

Sidney Crosby is taking an American’s job.

 

[PittMan2003]

1. I don't begrudge anyone for trying to make their lives better.

2. We have a population fluctuation problem.

3. Immigrants are good for business and especially food our dying rural towns.

4. Immigrants are good for inflation.

5. Illegals didn't drop from 2016 to 2020.

6. What I said was- the numbers will be about the same in 2028 as they are now.

Simple question how many people snuck into country versus turned themselves into border patrol? You and I have no f'n clue.

Why do you think Biden was more effective than dotard donny at deporting people who shouldn't be here?

I listen to a coyote being interviewed on the topic- he said that he and others just switched up their methods because people don't trust that they will get their due process now.

Brilliant, like dotard donny says, "if you don't count them, they don't exist".

Has Trump improved border crossings?

I’m all for legal immigration. It’s a no brainer. We would control the flow and be able to select who we take. And I don’t begrudge most of these people as many of them are just trying to find a better life.

The problem was illegals came in and wanted to get caught and then were released into the country. That is a recipe for disaster as some are hardly vetted and many don’t show for follow ups.

 

[PittMan2003]

I don’t understand the reliance on the legacy media. These posters talk about oligarchs, the 1%, the “big corporations” and yet are being duped by their propaganda which is delivered by said media.

I am glad they are sticking to the 20 on 80/20 issues.

 

[pittbb80]

Libs love immigrants as long as they live in someone else’s neighborhood. See Martha’s Vineyard

 

[Millerton]

So, they’re being kidnapped by illegal immigrants? And you’re saying how many? How is fentanyl really crossing our borders? When did you flunk out of Pitt?

Fentanyl absolutely is crossing our wide open borders from Mexico shipped their by China. It's the wide open borders that enables the children to easily cross and then sold to whoever. Over 300,000.

 

[joeydavid]

Has Trump improved border crossings?

I’m all for legal immigration. It’s a no brainer. We would control the flow and be able to select who we take. And I don’t begrudge most of these people as many of them are just trying to find a better life.

The problem was illegals came in and wanted to get caught and then were released into the country. That is a recipe for disaster as some are hardly vetted and many don’t show for follow ups.

Sounds like you supported the border bill that dotard donny killed.

 

[pittbb80]

Dems love to bring up the bogus border billl. But once again all you had to do was enforce current immigration LAWS. Ya know NO ONE is above the law.

 

[Millerton]

As it turned out.....all we really needed....was a new president. Classic mic drop as dems hold up there auction paddles.

 

[jtownknowitall]

Fentanyl absolutely is crossing our wide open borders from Mexico shipped their by China. It's the wide open borders that enables the children to easily cross and then sold to whoever. Over 300,000.

When did you flunk out of Pitt?

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Here’s a good read for you and a good vid by VDH

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I like VDH. One of the most intelligent, respected people around.

 

[pelfrey]

Plenty of people have voiced displeasure with his mistakes. I have in particular said that I totally disagree with his ratcheting up war with Iran which is being pushed by the Zionists.

The signal issue wasn’t his fault directly but he’s allowed the people responsible (Waltz) to go unscathed.

His ego is oversized and he praises people who lick his boots and turns on people who don’t. Best example is his endorsement of Lady G who is a total piece is shit and his attacking masssie.

I despised Trump before he ran because he was and still is a loud mouthed New Yorker with an oversized ego. But I support most of his policy initiatives and have seen lots of evidence that truly cares about people (he donates a lot of money to peope
Directly who need help the media just doesn’t report these things) and he truly cares about the country. There’s clips from Oprah and other shows where he talks about the policies he’s implementing today. So he hasn’t changed much from that time perspective

So yeah he’s a flawed man but arnt we all? No one is ever going to agree on everthing. Just like I’m sure your list of mistakes he’d made are likely different than mine Truth is we won’t know how good or bad he is until 4-6 years from now. He’s going all in on the tarrif issue with I generally agree with. This likely will make or break how he is viewed

The vast majority of Jews are Zionists. I'd imagine you'd understand why. But you're simply anti-Zionist, right? Right???

 

[pittbb80]

The vast majority of Jews are Zionists. I'd imagine you'd understand why. But you're simply anti-Zionist, right? Right???

Yes I’m anti Israel. I don’t buy the greatest ally bullshit.

 

[303vND]

Caucasian illegals lol. Those are central and South Americans.

Time for a new tv, the color on yours is broken.

You missed the entire point but that’s just par for the course. Like there can never be illegals from Europe….yeah, it’s never the white folks.

 

[Millerton]

When did you flunk out of Pitt?

What are u confused about?

 

[jtownknowitall]

What are u confused about?

Your education level.

 

[WeaverIsComing]

Sidney Crosby is taking an American’s job.

oy vey

 

[Pittisit4me]

Tell me why it matters. It became a trumped up issue used primarily to appease frightened white supremacists.

It doesn't mean a thing to you. You apparently haven't lost a loved one due to one of these immigrants murders or fentanyl crossing our border and you don't give a damn about the Biden Administration setting them up with our tax dollars. Let them come in legally and work hard for their living. It matters to normal humans who believe in this countries laws and that hard work should be rewarded.

 

[jtownknowitall]

No I didn’t. My heart goes out to the three or four people who did. And, no, like I said my tax dollars go to supply a national park restroom with toilet paper for a season. Perhaps it is your tax dollars that go to pay for that other nonsense. But my guess is your tax dollars actually pays the guy who wipes Trump’s ass a day or two’s wages.

 

[pittbb80]

No I didn’t. My heart goes out to the three or four people who did. And, no, like I said my tax dollars go to supply a national park restroom with toilet paper for a season. Perhaps it is your tax dollars that go to pay for that other nonsense. But my guess is your tax dollars actually pays the guy who wipes Trump’s ass a day or two’s wages.

Three or four

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Three or four

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Those are very conservative numbers.

Illegal aliens are ILLEGAL. They're ALL criminals, by definition. If they also committed murder, rape, assault, then deport their sorry asses first. Then deport the rest of the illegal alien criminals.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

It doesn't mean a thing to you. You apparently haven't lost a loved one due to one of these immigrants murders or fentanyl crossing our border and you don't give a damn about the Biden Administration setting them up with our tax dollars. Let them come in legally and work hard for their living. It matters to normal humans who believe in this countries laws and that hard work should be rewarded.

These lefty loonies like jtownknownothing don't believe in the rule of law or the Constitution. If he read the damned thing, he'd know allowing these illegal aliens into the country the way they were allowed to invade by the Biden Harris regime, is un-Constitutional.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Your education level.

stick with laughing emojis and let the adults talk. no offense but this is way above you.

 

[jtownknowitall]

These lefty loonies like jtownknownothing don't believe in the rule of law or the Constitution. If he read the damned thing, he'd know allowing these illegal aliens into the country the way they were allowed to invade by the Biden Harris regime, is un-Constitutional.

Go hide under your bed, old man. The demographics in this country have changed and there is nothing you can do about it.

 

[jtownknowitall]

stick with laughing emojis and let the adults talk. no offense but this is way above you.

Good one, frat boy. Nothing you type even comes up to my knees.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Good one, frat boy. Nothing you type even comes up to my knees.

you've never made one coherent thought on here. all you do is post emojis.. again, go to the kids table while the adults talk.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Go hide under your bed, old man. The demographics in this country have changed and there is nothing you can do about it.

mr illegal himself hating white people. lol. i love it, i love seeing your hatred and bigotry in every thread you make. we are taking the 3rd world trash out, where they belong. tell your amigos they are on borrowed time..