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Rand Paul goes off on authoritarianism

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Said he doesn't want to live under emergency rule. Even Ben Shapiro said the tariffs are unconstitutional. You guys understand how authoritarianism/fascism starts right? First, you have to create or declare some sort of emergency to gain more power. ✔️
 
we should declare an emergency everything is made in china they are kicking our ass in most everything and we have been infiltrated by dei people who are ok with that
It’s like a world war was needed for the US to become dominant in manufacturing in the 1940s/1950s. Europe was in ruins. We had taken atomic bombs to Japan. It will take years to relocate supply chains and a high cost. Is it a cost Americans are willing to pay. I would say for pharmaceuticals, energy, and tech it would be to be self sufficient. We lose negotiating power when we are not sufficient in those areas.
 
we should declare an emergency everything is made in china

Declaring an emergency on things that aren't actually an emergency is a slippery slope. Do you want the next Dem POTUS to declare an emergency that the American workforce isn't diverse enough and mandate DEI or some other lefty initiative? The point is that this is government overreach and Republicans are saying so.
 
Declaring an emergency on things that aren't actually an emergency is a slippery slope. Do you want the next Dem POTUS to declare an emergency that the American workforce isn't diverse enough and mandate DEI or some other lefty initiative? The point is that this is government overreach and Republicans are saying so.
Agree. I want the President to have less power, regardless of who that President is. For once in my life I agree with Rand Paul.
 


Said he doesn't want to live under emergency rule. Even Ben Shapiro said the tariffs are unconstitutional. You guys understand how authoritarianism/fascism starts right? First, you have to create or declare some sort of emergency to gain more power. ✔️
Just like with the Emergency Use Authorization, right?
 
Just like with the Emergency Use Authorization, right?

Huh? That was to get emergency use to use unregulated medicine. The patient didn't have to use it. They could have opted for some other medication/vaccine. This isn't remotely the same.

You do agree though, that trade deficits aren't worthy of declaring a national emergency. Can you imagine what Dems can declare a national emergency on? Again, it's a very slippery slope. These are powers MEANT for a real national emergency like imminent loss of life and not something you mess with.....unless you are an authoritarian.
 
Huh? That was to get emergency use to use unregulated medicine. The patient didn't have to use it. They could have opted for some other medication/vaccine. This isn't remotely the same.

You do agree though, that trade deficits aren't worthy of declaring a national emergency. Can you imagine what Dems can declare a national emergency on? Again, it's a very slippery slope. These are powers MEANT for a real national emergency like imminent loss of life and not something you mess with.....unless you are an authoritarian.
All I'm saying is that Trump declared an emergency in order to enable his policies to be implemented, just like Big Pharma cooked the books on the danger of COVID so they could run a study on their new mRNA therapy, we, I mean, vaccine.

And you're wrong. The patient had to use it if he went to a hospital.

But you may have a valid point on the tariffs....and on the abuse of emergency declarations in general.

But hey, people want big government to tell them what to do. But then they complain when it tells them to do something they don't want to do. People complain about corp greed and corruption, but they never want to ban corporations. Go figure
 
All I'm saying is that Trump declared an emergency in order to enable his policies to be implemented, just like Big Pharma cooked the books on the danger of COVID so they could run a study on their new mRNA therapy, we, I mean, vaccine.

And you're wrong. The patient had to use it if he went to a hospital.

But you may have a valid point on the tariffs....and on the abuse of emergency declarations in general.

But hey, people want big government to tell them what to do. But then they complain when it tells them to do something they don't want to do. People complain about corp greed and corruption, but they never want to ban corporations. Go figure
Yes even if you needed emergency surgery you were required to take it or you didn’t get the surgery. Nurses doctors and military personnel were mandated to
Get
It

And those that didn’t get it were declared to be less
Than scum.
 
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But hey, people want big government to tell them what to do. But then they complain when it tells them to do something they don't want to do. People complain about corp greed and corruption, but they never want to ban corporations. Go figure
If this were a Dem in office, they would be having a wet dream at the extreme powers exercised by their president. This is the evolution but not yet the culmination of Dems ideas to disempower Congress and empower the presidency. It can get much worse.

I didn't watch Paul's video, but I can make a pretty good guess at what he said because he and I share the same constitutionalist views. I think Congress should have much more power than the president, who should be limited to executing ONLY what Congress authorizes, excepting those limited roles granted to the position in the Constitution. These include:

  • Has the power to approve or veto bills and resolutions passed by Congress
  • Through the Treasury Department, has the power to write checks pursuant to appropriation laws.
  • Pursuant to the Oath of Office, will preserve, protect, and defend the Consitution of the United States.
  • Serves as Commander-in-Chief of the United States military, and militia when called to service.
  • Is authorized to require principle officers of executive departments to provide written opinions upon the duties of their offices
  • Has the power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in the cases of inpeachment.
  • Has the power to make treaties, with the advise and consent of Congress.
  • Has the power to nominate ambassadors and other officials with the advise and consent of Congress.
  • Has the power to fill vacancies that happen when the Senate is in recess that will expire at the end of the Senate's next session.
  • Shall periodically advise Congress on the state of the union and give Congress recommendations that are thought necessary and expedient.
  • Has the power to convene one or both houses of Congress during extraordinary occasions, and when Congress cannot agree to adjourn has the power to adjourn them when he thinks the time is proper.
  • Has the duty to receive ambassadors and other public ministers.
  • Has the duty to see that the laws are faithfully executed.
  • Has the power to commission the officers of the United States.
(from Widener U Law School Library)

Note that there is nothing about developing, implementing, and enforcing policies beyond those created by Congress. EPA regulations, education rules, USAID grants, etc. were interpreted and expanded well beyond Congress' authorizations - mostly because Congress couldn't be bothered with the details or they didn't want to take the heat from constituents.

Congress absolutely needs take this power back. The REINS Act would be a good start.

Back in the first iteration of the Locker Room, I said that one of things that I didn't like about Trump was that his knee-jerk reaction to a problem was to solve it federally, meaning the president would fix it. He hasn't changed in that regard. While I agree that a lot of things he's done needed to be done, I would prefer that they come from Congress. But I know that would never happen. I just have to hope that Trump restrains himself.
 
If this were a Dem in office, they would be having a wet dream at the extreme powers exercised by their president. This is the evolution but not yet the culmination of Dems ideas to disempower Congress and empower the presidency. It can get much worse.

I didn't watch Paul's video, but I can make a pretty good guess at what he said because he and I share the same constitutionalist views. I think Congress should have much more power than the president, who should be limited to executing ONLY what Congress authorizes, excepting those limited roles granted to the position in the Constitution. These include:

  • Has the power to approve or veto bills and resolutions passed by Congress
  • Through the Treasury Department, has the power to write checks pursuant to appropriation laws.
  • Pursuant to the Oath of Office, will preserve, protect, and defend the Consitution of the United States.
  • Serves as Commander-in-Chief of the United States military, and militia when called to service.
  • Is authorized to require principle officers of executive departments to provide written opinions upon the duties of their offices
  • Has the power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in the cases of inpeachment.
  • Has the power to make treaties, with the advise and consent of Congress.
  • Has the power to nominate ambassadors and other officials with the advise and consent of Congress.
  • Has the power to fill vacancies that happen when the Senate is in recess that will expire at the end of the Senate's next session.
  • Shall periodically advise Congress on the state of the union and give Congress recommendations that are thought necessary and expedient.
  • Has the power to convene one or both houses of Congress during extraordinary occasions, and when Congress cannot agree to adjourn has the power to adjourn them when he thinks the time is proper.
  • Has the duty to receive ambassadors and other public ministers.
  • Has the duty to see that the laws are faithfully executed.
  • Has the power to commission the officers of the United States.
(from Widener U Law School Library)

Note that there is nothing about developing, implementing, and enforcing policies beyond those created by Congress. EPA regulations, education rules, USAID grants, etc. were interpreted and expanded well beyond Congress' authorizations - mostly because Congress couldn't be bothered with the details or they didn't want to take the heat from constituents.

Congress absolutely needs take this power back. The REINS Act would be a good start.

Back in the first iteration of the Locker Room, I said that one of things that I didn't like about Trump was that his knee-jerk reaction to a problem was to solve it federally, meaning the president would fix it. He hasn't changed in that regard. While I agree that a lot of things he's done needed to be done, I would prefer that they come from Congress. But I know that would never happen. I just have to hope that Trump restrains himself.
I’m far from a constitutional scholar so
This stuff is interesting. My sense is the creep in power of the office occurred well before Trump. It’s just in his second term he’s taking advantage of that trend and an impotent Congress. Trump
Isn’t even in the same stratosphere as other presidents as far as executive orders. And when was the last time Congress actuallu declared war ? Trump has essentially gone to war with Yemen but no one seems to care about that. War is good

And then we have all the unconstitutional covid bullshit and not to mention agency’s like the EPa that often violate the constitution
 
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Yes even if you needed emergency surgery you were required to take it or you didn’t get the surgery. Nurses doctors and military personnel were mandated to
Get
It

And those that didn’t get it were declared to be less
Than scum.
I include the requirement for the approved hospital protocols, Remdesivir and the useless respirator. Not just the vaccine.

They gamed social media, cable news, etc. to manufacture the panic.
 
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Declaring an emergency on things that aren't actually an emergency is a slippery slope. Do you want the next Dem POTUS to declare an emergency that the American workforce isn't diverse enough and mandate DEI or some other lefty initiative? The point is that this is government overreach and Republicans are saying so.
a china virus just made us print 10 trillion dollars. these 'optimized' supply chains are incredibly weak and fragile. if republicans had a +/- like basketball players they'd all be minus trillions of dollars and plus millions of aliens. the dems just let in 20 million aliens. they don't have to declare emergencies to trash this country they just do it through spending propaganda and 'progressive' law interpretations aka dei judges doing whatever they want.
 
So much for that Wharton degree, eh?

He doesn't have a "Wharton degree." Wharton is the graduate business school. It's like saying my undergraduate business degree from Pitt is from "Katz." Its not. He went to Penn for only 2 years after 13th and 14th grade at shitty-ass Fordham. His dad bought him a spot and he did 2 years there like anyone could have when your family donates a lot of money to get you in.
 
He doesn't have a "Wharton degree." Wharton is the graduate business school. It's like saying my undergraduate business degree from Pitt is from "Katz." Its not. He went to Penn for only 2 years after 13th and 14th grade at shitty-ass Fordham. His dad bought him a spot and he did 2 years there like anyone could have when your family donates a lot of money to get you in.
Sadly, I can't add the sarcasm font when posting from my cell phone.
 
While I agree that a lot of things he's done needed to be done, I would prefer that they come from Congress. But I know that would never happen. I just have to hope that Trump restrains himself.

So is the power-grab the only solution then? While I agree with much of your post, your answer seems to be, "I much prefer democracy but when it's too slow, we have to hold our noses and do authoritarianism."
 
It’s like a world war was needed for the US to become dominant in manufacturing in the 1940s/1950s. Europe was in ruins. We had taken atomic bombs to Japan. It will take years to relocate supply chains and a high cost. Is it a cost Americans are willing to pay. I would say for pharmaceuticals, energy, and tech it would be to be self sufficient. We lose negotiating power when we are not sufficient in those areas.
Curious where you got your information from? The US had already been the world’s leading manufacturing nation for like 50 years prior to WW2. Tariffs in the US were high until 1942 when it began to promote worldwide free trade.
 
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Curious where you got your information from? The US had already been the world’s leading manufacturing nation for like 50 years prior to WW2. Tariffs in the US were high until 1942 when it began to promote worldwide free trade.
Thanks for posting. I can only imagine how many wanted to post this and thought "why bother". 🙂
 
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Curious where you got your information from? The US had already been the world’s leading manufacturing nation for like 50 years prior to WW2. Tariffs in the US were high until 1942 when it began to promote worldwide free trade.

This is a great article about the heyday of American manufacturing and while many think of the 50s and 60s as this special time in America when houses were basically free, dad made a good wage at the plant, and mom stayed home raising the kids, the reality is this "American Dream" was subsidized by the wealthiest Americans through sky-high tax rates.

I don't think a lot of you fully understand what is happening. Money, assets, etc are finite to a point. The more that the oligarchs have, the less there is for everyone else. You see some of this with Black Rock buying up homes as assets. America is quickly rushing towards the Russian oligarchy model and we are firing secretaries and park Rangers making 40K per year to finance tax cuts for these people. It is utter insanity. We absolutely need to tax the crap out of the oligarchs. We can debate the actual numbers but it has to be significant. They are sucking the wealth away from everyone.
 
The government is sucking the wealth away from everyone. Everyone who works.

If we lowered taxes on let's say everyone making under 250K and put a high tax on income over $5 million or $10 million, do you think that would be bad for middle class and poor?
 
We need to implement a national sales tax. The poor aren't paying their fair share.

The defense of the oligarchs is weird. These people are vultures. The park Rangers are the bad guys stealing all the wealth. I mean you can't make this stuff up. These people need taxed into oblivion. The wealth is disgusting and basically immoral and un-Christian-like. They can still be EXTREMELY wealthy AND pay a high percentage in taxes.
 
The defense of the oligarchs is weird. These people are vultures. The park Rangers are the bad guys stealing all the wealth. I mean you can't make this stuff up. These people need taxed into oblivion. The wealth is disgusting and basically immoral and un-Christian-like. They can still be EXTREMELY wealthy AND pay a high percentage in taxes.
Jesus famously said:

Give a poor man a $1 and he’ll buy drugs. Give a wealthy man $1 and he’ll create jobs.
 
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So is the power-grab the only solution then? While I agree with much of your post, your answer seems to be, "I much prefer democracy but when it's too slow, we have to hold our noses and do authoritarianism."
Authoritarianism got us into this mess. It may be needed to get us out.

But this isn't authoritarianism as you likely want to portray it. The GOP Congress supports (most of) his actions. They have the power to step in at any time.
 
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This is a great article about the heyday of American manufacturing and while many think of the 50s and 60s as this special time in America when houses were basically free, dad made a good wage at the plant, and mom stayed home raising the kids, the reality is this "American Dream" was subsidized by the wealthiest Americans through sky-high tax rates.

I don't think a lot of you fully understand what is happening. Money, assets, etc are finite to a point. The more that the oligarchs have, the less there is for everyone else. You see some of this with Black Rock buying up homes as assets. America is quickly rushing towards the Russian oligarchy model and we are firing secretaries and park Rangers making 40K per year to finance tax cuts for these people. It is utter insanity. We absolutely need to tax the crap out of the oligarchs. We can debate the actual numbers but it has to be significant. They are sucking the wealth away from everyone.
Complete nonsense.
 
Authoritarianism got us into this mess. It may be needed to get us out.

But this isn't authoritarianism as you likely want to portray it. The GOP Congress supports (most of) his actions. They have the power to step in at any time.

Give me some examples of Biden's authoritarian rule and please don't cite student loan forgiveness, which would have been a good thing for many and a bad thing only for the oligarchs who would have had to pay for it.
 
If this were a Dem in office, they would be having a wet dream at the extreme powers exercised by their president. This is the evolution but not yet the culmination of Dems ideas to disempower Congress and empower the presidency. It can get much worse.

I didn't watch Paul's video, but I can make a pretty good guess at what he said because he and I share the same constitutionalist views. I think Congress should have much more power than the president, who should be limited to executing ONLY what Congress authorizes, excepting those limited roles granted to the position in the Constitution. These include:

  • Has the power to approve or veto bills and resolutions passed by Congress
  • Through the Treasury Department, has the power to write checks pursuant to appropriation laws.
  • Pursuant to the Oath of Office, will preserve, protect, and defend the Consitution of the United States.
  • Serves as Commander-in-Chief of the United States military, and militia when called to service.
  • Is authorized to require principle officers of executive departments to provide written opinions upon the duties of their offices
  • Has the power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in the cases of inpeachment.
  • Has the power to make treaties, with the advise and consent of Congress.
  • Has the power to nominate ambassadors and other officials with the advise and consent of Congress.
  • Has the power to fill vacancies that happen when the Senate is in recess that will expire at the end of the Senate's next session.
  • Shall periodically advise Congress on the state of the union and give Congress recommendations that are thought necessary and expedient.
  • Has the power to convene one or both houses of Congress during extraordinary occasions, and when Congress cannot agree to adjourn has the power to adjourn them when he thinks the time is proper.
  • Has the duty to receive ambassadors and other public ministers.
  • Has the duty to see that the laws are faithfully executed.
  • Has the power to commission the officers of the United States.
(from Widener U Law School Library)

Note that there is nothing about developing, implementing, and enforcing policies beyond those created by Congress. EPA regulations, education rules, USAID grants, etc. were interpreted and expanded well beyond Congress' authorizations - mostly because Congress couldn't be bothered with the details or they didn't want to take the heat from constituents.

Congress absolutely needs take this power back. The REINS Act would be a good start.

Back in the first iteration of the Locker Room, I said that one of things that I didn't like about Trump was that his knee-jerk reaction to a problem was to solve it federally, meaning the president would fix it. He hasn't changed in that regard. While I agree that a lot of things he's done needed to be done, I would prefer that they come from Congress. But I know that would never happen. I just have to hope that Trump restrains himself.
I know we butt heads, but that was an excellent post.
 
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Give me some examples of Biden's authoritarian rule and please don't cite student loan forgiveness, which would have been a good thing for many and a bad thing only for the oligarchs who would have had to pay for it.
1. Biden institutionalized Critical Race Theory, the 1619 project, and Title IX transexual programs in schools.
2. Biden issued vaccine mandates, some of which were later thrown out by courts.
3. In violation of the 1st amendment, Biden established a disinformation board and pushed to silence critics on social media.
4. Biden defied the Supreme Court with attempts to bailout college loans.
5. Biden violated immigration by releasing millions of illegal immigrants into the country.
6, Biden effectively banned the sale of gas vehicles by 2032.

That's a few. By no means did mean that authoritarianism started with Biden. It has been in place since at least Lincoln.
 
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1. Biden institutionalized Critical Race Theory, the 1619 project, and Title IX transexual programs in schools.
2. Biden issued vaccine mandates, some of which were later thrown out by courts.
3. In violation of the 1st amendment, Biden established a disinformation board and pushed to silence critics on social media.
4. Biden defied the Supreme Court with attempts to bailout college loans.
5. Biden violated immigration by releasing millions of illegal immigrants into the country.
6, Biden effectively banned the sale of gas vehicles by 2032.

That's a few. By no means did mean that authoritarianism started with Biden. It has been in place since at least Lincoln.

1. Didn't "institutionalizs" those. Those are local decisions. I dont know what you are talking about. On the transgender, that's an interpretation of a law. The Dept of Education can make those rulings. Trump getting rid of it and also stating Title IX doesn't apply to NIL isn't authoritarian, it's an interpretation.

2. Vaccine mandates were only to continue working for the federal government. There was no mandates to get vaccinated. Nobody was forced. This was actually a great thing as we were able to get rid of all those federal workers ruining the country.

3. I think you are making this up.

4. I dont know what you mean because he lost the student loan battle. Democracy won. He didn't declare a national emergency to relieve the loans.

5. Letting asylum seekers into the country while they await their trial may be a bad policy but it's not authoritarian.

6. Um, no he didn't. There will be plenty of gas cars 7 years from now.

I'm not saying Presidents can't make decisions. Of course, they can. But using "emergency declarations" is what authoritarians do to gain more power. Biden didn't do that. Every authoritarian started with declaring a national emergency.
 
1. Biden institutionalized Critical Race Theory, the 1619 project, and Title IX transexual programs in schools.
2. Biden issued vaccine mandates, some of which were later thrown out by courts.
3. In violation of the 1st amendment, Biden established a disinformation board and pushed to silence critics on social media.
4. Biden defied the Supreme Court with attempts to bailout college loans.
5. Biden violated immigration by releasing millions of illegal immigrants into the country.
6, Biden effectively banned the sale of gas vehicles by 2032.

That's a few. By no means did mean that authoritarianism started with Biden. It has been in place since at least Lincoln.
You really are a ****ing idiot.
 
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1. Didn't "institutionalizs" those. Those are local decisions. I dont know what you are talking about. On the transgender, that's an interpretation of a law. The Dept of Education can make those rulings. Trump getting rid of it and also stating Title IX doesn't apply to NIL isn't authoritarian, it's an interpretation.

2. Vaccine mandates were only to continue working for the federal government. There was no mandates to get vaccinated. Nobody was forced. This was actually a great thing as we were able to get rid of all those federal workers ruining the country.

3. I think you are making this up.

4. I dont know what you mean because he lost the student loan battle. Democracy won. He didn't declare a national emergency to relieve the loans.

5. Letting asylum seekers into the country while they await their trial may be a bad policy but it's not authoritarian.

6. Um, no he didn't. There will be plenty of gas cars 7 years from now.

I'm not saying Presidents can't make decisions. Of course, they can. But using "emergency declarations" is what authoritarians do to gain more power. Biden didn't do that. Every authoritarian started with declaring a national emergency.
You're in denial.
 
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