Fodder for the Pickett sux crowd. Personally I think the OC was more of the issue last year.
https://davidmhale.com/2019/06/28/ranking-the-accs-qb-situations/
https://davidmhale.com/2019/06/28/ranking-the-accs-qb-situations/
Ranking the ACC QBs
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How dare David Hale actually use statistics to prove how bad Pitt's passing game was in 2018 !! Pretty interesting stat on "Play Action Passing" huh? Maybe if Pitt was more effective running the ball last year this stat would have been better? Or maybe if it had better Offensive Linemen this stat would have been better?
In closing, the truth hurts.
No, why would it be? We were 94th in scoring. I hope no one was happy with the offense.
94th out of 130, that sucks.
Right now, we don't have a QB. We have some hope that one will step up and become an ACC QB. But that's about it.
Last year Pitt won the Coastal Division of the ACC Conference with KP.
With a new OC and another year of experience, KP will only get better.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
With a new OC and another year of experience, KP will only get better.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
Hey man I think anyone who has been around Pitt knows that Pickett has all the physical tools. Good arm, good wheels, and he is tough. It's the mental aspect of the game that was atrocious last year. Bad decision making, inadequate pre-snap reads, trouble with confidence. I put most of that on Watson. His quarterbacks had the same problems going all the way back to Nebraska. I hope Pickett is the real deal because it seems like Narduzzi is betting his job on it, but let's not forget this kid is only going into his true junior season.
Even if Watson was retained, I think we would have seen improved QB play this season. The experience last season should make him more prepared in his 2nd season.
If Whipple can get him to a consistent 225-250 ypg, 1.5 TDs per game while completing 55% - Pitt will be just fine next year.
Pickett played QB like most people golf. A lot of bad choices, trying to do too much but every so many holes he’d have that shot that made us say “this is possible.” This year we find out if he’s capable of a consistent high level of play or if he’s just a game manager.
Until fall, no sense in worrying. Personally I think he’s more athletic and has better arm strength than he’s typically credited. He had a bad line, bad OC, was new and was making bad choices. Lots of room for improvement.
Until fall, no sense in worrying. Personally I think he’s more athletic and has better arm strength than he’s typically credited. He had a bad line, bad OC, was new and was making bad choices. Lots of room for improvement.
man Ski, I am not seeing this analogy. if anything, I think he plays too timid, too scared. sticking with your golf analogy, dude is like the amateur golfer teeing off with an iron on a 460 yard par 5 on the public course, trying to get there in 3.
my man is hitting the rb on a check down to the short side of the field on 3rd and 7 when there are 3 WRs running vertical. dude always looks for the check down instead of down field.. Im ok with an interception down field if he throws it into coverage cause sometimes, good things happen too. he needs to be more of a risk taker, not less of one.
He played passive enough last year, lets take the leash off of him, give him the driver at the tee box and let the big dog eat..
I think Pickett had his fair share of struggles, plus very poor pass protection, all along with a coordinator who seemed to make things harder for him. I don’t think a new coordinator instantly makes Pickett an All-American but Watson was really, really bad and Whipple is a noted QB guru. I’d be shocked if Pickett isn’t much improved this year, at least to the point where opposing defenses have to respect the option of Pitt throwing the football.
Summer 2018: Kenny Heisman!
Summer 2019: Maybe he won't suck.
Being a Pitt fan is quite a ride.
Summer 2019: Maybe he won't suck.
Being a Pitt fan is quite a ride.
Well, one thing is for sure, Jim Chaney didn’t make Chad Voytik any better and he was a pretty good OC and QB coach. We saw Nate continue to develop under Chaney and Canada but the coach can’t do it for the kid. I get the impression (from a great distance) that Kenny’s a worker. Guys, it’s all a big wait and see.
Picket has the skill set and tools he simply needs a game plan that matches those skills.
IMO he's looked confused and lacks confidence.
I think Whipple will come up with a simple, effective, offensive game plan that will put Pickett
back on track.
IMO he's looked confused and lacks confidence.
I think Whipple will come up with a simple, effective, offensive game plan that will put Pickett
back on track.
Of course you do
If pickett has another miserable year it all be Whipple's fault
Nobody wants to acknowledge that this kid just isn't that good
My takeaway from this article is there is someone named Jimmy Greenbeans and he plays for Clemson.
I think the ranking on Pickett is a little harsh, I'd put him one tier up. But he has a lot to prove this year for sure.
I think the ranking on Pickett is a little harsh, I'd put him one tier up. But he has a lot to prove this year for sure.
He looks big, in a good way. Saw a little video clip. Kid looks like a linebacker.
I agree too timid. I recall that amount of hype around him not throwing an interception in camp. Well if your fearful of not throwing interception than it follows that your fearful of throwing any pass because it may get intercepted. That's not the mental makeup of any QB that I want on my team. Counting on a new OC to cure the mental part of the game of any QB might just be asking too much. I'm expecting that Whipple and Narduzzi may well have to make a decision on changing QB's not too far into the coming season.
That should help get away from some arm tackles in the pocket. I like the added weight.
Pitt wasn’t good at running the ball in 2018??
Please pull your head from your ass and do better next time.
Two 1000 yd rushers....??? Not good enough???
Idiotic
Do you remember Chris' podcast where he interviewed KP's off season QB coach? The guy tried to be somewhat diplomatic, but one thing he clearly said that Kenny was taught to go through his progression: Short-to-Long.
Hence on 3rd & 7 to go and if he saw the RB open on the flat, he was taught to throw that pass, rather than hit a receiver that was actually near (or beyond) the sticks.
The QB guy also stated that Whipple has changed that to Long-to-Short which is in line with the rest of world.
After I heard that, I felt somewhat better for Kenny and at least I understood some of my frustration with his decision making was what he was taught as a true freshman and sophomore. I am hoping that Whipple corrects that fault, as well as coaches him up quite a bit as well.
About 60 days to go until we see it in person against an ACC Coastal opponent (UVA). Can't wait.
Late -
You pull your head from your ass and gain some reading comprehension. Sarcasm.
David Teel was highlighting that Pickett sucked on the play action pass statistic. Which he should have obviously excelled at as, as you point out, Pitt has 2 - 1000 yard backs. If you have 2 - 1000 yard back, it tends to make the LB'ers honor the play action pass big time. Thus my comment, "maybe if Pitt had a better running game". In reality, that is all Pitt had - a running game. A half decent QB would have excelled on play action passes with that good of a running game.
In reality Pickett sucked in 2018. If he doesn't pick it up substantially in 2019 he will be playing for IUP in 2020.
If you believe what Phil Steele, Pete Fiatuk (CFN), and Athlon have to say (I know you don't because we are all fans here), Pitt will not make a bowl game this year and that would have to fall squarely on KPs shoulders. Manning camp, new OC, no reason why things shouldn't improve and they should be proven wrong. If not, hope that change is made before it gets beyond fixing.
That's a conclusion based on a very narrow view of the situation. KP may or may not end up a good QB at Pitt but it's tough to ignore it was his first season as a starter, the oline couldn't pass protect and Watson's play calling.
When I was in HS, many years ago, we ran a Power I O, and I was taught to read the first guy who would be open in any given play.
A running back who stayed in to block before releasing to a quick curl might be the closest guy, but also might be the fourth guy open.
My HS offense was about as basic as it gets, and was still a better progression than short to long. I have some empathy for Kenny working from those constraints.
I think it's reasonable he can improve... eventually. But there are too many other variables with the offense to make it wise to expect immediate improvement in the offense. I don't know how he can really improve until playing live games. But it only takes a couple bad months of trying to gel, and even if you start to do so, you're facing November and you've already lost 5... 6... 7 games. I mean, think of our start, we could lose 3 of 5 out the gate and the tail will be spinning.
The problem with listening to Pickett's QB coach is he was not about to put the onus on Pickett in any sense. So it was very easy to load it onto Watson. I thought Watson was a terrible OC but I also thought Pickett was a terrible QB with having 2 1000 yard RB's behind him. As posted by some others Pickett and Pitt should have been able to use play action off their RB's quite easily last season. It just didn't happen.
the fact that he was so bad on play actions is a huge red flag. I said in another thread, he actually can make a pass rolling left (against his body) but is unbelievably inaccurate rolling to the right, which should be an easy throw for an athletic right handed qb, I mean that should be his bread and butter.
im all for throwing a lot of it on Watson but some of it has to fall on him too. '19 is a new year, we need to wipe the slate clean and start from scratch.. in short, completely throw out '18 and act like we have a first year QB starting for us in sept.
I'm still in the "Pickett is It" crowed, and I'm very high on Whipple. Expecting that 250/game, but with 2.5 TDs/game, and a mid-60's completion %. I also like a couple of the young Tackles as pass blockers.
Nate was a decidedly mediocre QB until he ran Canada’s playbook and rode it right into the NFL, where it presently appears he has no business being.
Watson was bad, but Pickett didn’t help his own cause. He didn’t look like he belonged on the field in most of those games.
Wow. You sound like a QB expert. So much knowledge to be found in the free board. Here’s the analogy for this season, Bill Stull w/ Cavanaugh and Bill Stull w/ Cignetti.
If Pickett is "miserable" the first few games they will go to someone else... George or Patti.
That being said, I dont think that it will happen.
Ooh! Hot take! You are a “bad boy”... Your whole premise is tired.
1) You don’t like Pickett and don’t think he’s going to be that much better under Whipple but can’t site specifics because you have nothing. You don’t know the reads, the offense or where the breakdowns occurred.
2) Why bother mentioning Peterson let alone putting him down. He was better than avg his first year and very good in his second. Sorry he doesn’t win w/ the Bills, last time I checked, NO ONE ELSE IS EITHER! If he’s a bad pro QB, he’s better than all the guys who never got to start or play in the pro’s.
Another poster sighted Pickett’s QB instructor stating the order (close to far) that Kenny was trained to make his reads. The point was insightful whereas everything you say is the b.s. opinion of a guy flaming on the free board.
We get your point. You don’t like Kenny, you don’t need to argue for converts to a negative point of view. Seven weeks from now the Panthers take the field and if we’re lucky, Kenny is healthy and starting because he’s our best bet. Has he reached his ceiling as a QB, you don’t know and neither does anyone else but I won’t bet against National Champion / Super Bowl winning QB developer Mark Whipple.
Let me help you find your way home. www.bwi.rivals.com we’ll see you around “Bad boy”.
