Reality

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

The inability to replace Elliot sunk this team. We upgraded at PG. Leggett for Burton was ok. But getting a 0 on offense for Elliot is the reason we arent going to the NCAAT.

I can think of at least two games Nike basically won for us off the bench. Not sure if Lowe could do that this season (maybe).

We had to be a different team this year. Austin had to make up with defense and offensive scrappiness what he couldn't replace with Elliot's shooting. But we're just a worse version of last year's team - trying to do the same stuff with guys who aren't as good at it.

 

[TheChair]

I followed box score while watching the game and couldn’t believe the TO/assist ratio.

But someone has to be capable of knocking down the passes they send too.

The two biggest culprits of wide open missed shots set up by those guys last night was the two of them. They both missed a lot of open shots. They need to be better in that area.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I can think of at least two games Nike basically won for us off the bench. Not sure if Lowe could do that this season (maybe).

We had to be a different team this year. Austin had to make up with defense and offensive scrappiness what he couldn't replace with Elliot's shooting. But we're just a worse version of last year's team - trying to do the same stuff with guys who aren't as good at it.

And I always forget about Nike. Too much lost offense with him and Elliot. Plus Fede got worse. We seem to rebound better with Leggett and Carrington but its not enough to overcome the losses of Elliot and Nike. That's why I say just go all out on D and play Jeffress instead of Austin.

 

[MorningCoffee13]

Pitt just doesn’t have good enough players and that’s not changing anytime soon.

You can get away with playing 2 of the follow:
Austin,
GDG,
Fede
JDG
Jeffress
Lowe

Maybe you can get away with 3 because 3 are bigs. MAYBE. You can’t have 6/9 guys incapable of scoring 10 points against a P5 team. You just can’t. Can’t win a ton of games this year. Something doesn’t change and quickly with one and hopefully more of those guys, could turn ugly quickly once we hit ACC

Totally agree with you. The winning design against Pitt is to muscle Federicko. He is pretty bad

 

[Protes]

Fede and Austin have been big fat zeroes all year. Austin's prior 2 games were a mirage. We are going to need to see more out of the DG's. Period. With Blake gone next year, who on this roster takes over the 4? As of right now, it's them as I see it. Kante takes over the 5 more than likely. So, it's going to be sink or swim at some point. And if they sink, HCJC is going to need to recruit over them. We need some big men who are at least serviceable and can give us some production down low. We play mediocre teams who seem to have these kinds of players. It shouldn't be that hard.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Totally agree with you. The winning design against Pitt is to muscle Federicko. He is pretty bad

And just smother the guards on defense. Even in the unlikely event that they do get past you, just slide your big man over and let whomever crashes on help defense prevent Federicko from doing something other than taking a handoff and dunking the ball.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Fede and Austin have been big fat zeroes all year. Austin's prior 2 games were a mirage. We are going to need to see more out of the DG's. Period. With Blake gone next year, who on this roster takes over the 4? As of right now, it's them as I see it. Kante takes over the 5 more than likely. So, it's going to be sink or swim at some point. And if they sink, HCJC is going to need to recruit over them. We need some big men who are at least serviceable and can give us some production down low. We play mediocre teams who seem to have these kinds of players. It shouldn't be that hard.

PG - Carrington (hopefully he's back)
SG - Leggett
SF - transfer
PF - transfer
C - Kante

Capel has some work to do in the portal. Hopefully we have enough NIL money this time so we dont lose guys like Girard and Touissant.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

PG - Carrington (hopefully he's back)
SG - Leggett
SF - transfer
PF - transfer
C - Kante

Capel has some work to do in the portal. Hopefully we have enough NIL money this time so we dont lose guys like Girard and Touissant.

Where would Carrington go? People can’t still think he’s a 1 and done watching him v the 2 SEC teams

 

[HailToPitt1985]

PG - Carrington (hopefully he's back)
SG - Leggett
SF - transfer
PF - transfer
C - Kante

Capel has some work to do in the portal. Hopefully we have enough NIL money this time so we dont lose guys like Girard and Touissant.

Hopefully if Carrington is back? Do you think he might transfer? That's his only option other than staying at Pitt. He's not going to the NBA any time soon.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Where would Carrington go? People can’t still think he’s a 1 and done watching him v the 2 SEC teams

In all fairness, Carrington is very young and has a lot of work to do on his game. But if this is what he did against 2 middle of the pack SEC teams, I hate to think of what he'll be like against a Duke or UNC. Or Clemson! But we'll find that out soon enough.

 

[gary2]

In all fairness, Carrington is very young and has a lot of work to do on his game. But if this is what he did against 2 middle of the pack SEC teams, I hate to think of what he'll be like against a Duke or UNC. Or Clemson! But we'll find that out soon enough.

Carrington needs some help. Question is: does Capel know how to help him?

 

[PittPoker]

Carrington needs some help. Question is: does Capel know how to help him?

Nope.

 

[PittPharm2002]

Where would Carrington go? People can’t still think he’s a 1 and done watching him v the 2 SEC teams

It’s been perhaps the upside of those losses
But- his potential is still intriguing - and if he continues to develop during acc play - he’s gonzo

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Where would Carrington go? People can’t still think he’s a 1 and done watching him v the 2 SEC teams

I still think at worst, he is early 2nd Round. At worst.

 

[PittPharm2002]

I still think at worst, he is early 2nd Round. At worst.

Yeah with his length and shooting - he’s only scratching the surface , considering how his handle is already pretty darned good

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Yeah with his length and shooting - he’s only scratching the surface , considering how his handle is already pretty darned good

We agree on something? There is literally no chance Carrington doesn't get drafted. The question will be whether he is guaranteed 1st Round or not and if Pitt can pay 2nd Round money if he is projected 2nd Round.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

We agree on something? There is literally no chance Carrington doesn't get drafted. The question will be whether he is guaranteed 1st Round or not and if Pitt can pay 2nd Round money if he is projected 2nd Round.

If you’re a second round pick, you can be squeezed out altogether easily by euros getting stashed

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

If you’re a second round pick, you can be squeezed out altogether easily by euros getting stashed

Yea but come on man. The kid is younger than a lot of HS seniors. If the draft was tomorrow, he is going early 2nd at worst. There's a lot to like about where an NBA team will project him to be.

 

[BigZeke]

Yea but come on man. The kid is younger than a lot of HS seniors. If the draft was tomorrow, he is going early 2nd at worst. There's a lot to like about where an NBA team will project him to be.

It only takes one team to fall in love with his long term potential and BOOM he’s gone and into the 1st round.

 

[Pittisit4me]

Florida and Mizzou play hard on ball man-to-man. These are the type of teams that are going to give us fits. Not all ACC teams play on ball defense that hard. Not all teams have the athletes these two SEC teams have that allow them to play that style. I think we will do better against teams that don't apply that superior pressure. Having said that, if Fede cannot return to some semblance of the defensive player he was through mid season ACC play last season, even if Lowe and Bub vastly improve, this team will be home come tournament time.

 

[gary2]

Florida and Mizzou play hard on ball man-to-man. These are the type of teams that are going to give us fits. Not all ACC teams play on ball defense that hard. Not all teams have the athletes these two SEC teams have that allow them to play that style. I think we will do better against teams that don't apply that superior pressure. Having said that, if Fede cannot return to some semblance of the defensive player he was through mid season ACC play last season, even if Lowe and Bub vastly improve, this team will be home come tournament time.

Seems about right

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

It only takes one team to fall in love with his long term potential and BOOM he’s gone and into the 1st round.

He should be a HS senior. Its all about projecting. I was wrong on Adams. Carrington still can be a 1st Round pick, maybe high 1st Round.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

He should be a HS senior. Its all about projecting. I was wrong on Adams. Carrington still can be a 1st Round pick, maybe high 1st Round.

I don't know where you went to high school, but he turned 18 on July 21. That puts him pretty much exactly where he is supposed to be age wise. Is he younger than average for his class? Yeah, sure, by a little bit. But not by a lot.

He started kindergarten (assuming that he went to kindergarten) when he was five. At what age do you think that most kids start kindergarten? In fact, at most schools at this point the rule is five years old before September 1.

He should only be a high school senior if he got held back/flunked somewhere along the line.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I don't know where you went to high school, but he turned 18 on July 21. That puts him pretty much exactly where he is supposed to be age wise. Is he younger than average for his class? Yeah, sure, by a little bit. But not by a lot.

He started kindergarten (assuming that he went to kindergarten) when he was five. At what age do you think that most kids start kindergarten? In fact, at most schools at this point the rule is five years old before September 1.

He should only be a high school senior if he got held back/flunked somewhere along the line.

Everyone starts late now or gets held back for sports. In fact, the PIAA had to put a rule in place to stop "redshirting" in 8th grade (ie repeating 8th grade). Its frustrating that my kids have to compete with kids who are on track to turn 19 in March, April, May their senior years.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Everyone starts late now or gets held back for sports. In fact, the PIAA had to put a rule in place to stop "redshirting" in 8th grade (ie repeating 8th grade). Its frustrating that my kids have to compete with kids who are on track to turn 19 in March, April, May their senior years.

If Carrington was another year older he would be almost old enough to not be able to play as this year.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

If Carrington was another year older he would be almost old enough to not be able to play as this year.

He could be a HS junior right now at 18. Turn 19 next July and play his senior year at 19 since he wont turn 20 until after July 1.

 

[PittPharm2002]

He could be a HS junior right now at 18. Turn 19 next July and play his senior year at 19 since he wont turn 20 until after July 1.

Maybe sit out the next couple rounds ?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

He could be a HS junior right now at 18. Turn 19 next July and play his senior year at 19 since he wont turn 20 until after July 1.

He could have graduated from high school two or three years ago too. He's only two years younger than redshirt junior Will Jeffress after all.

Here in the real world, kids who turn 5 over the summer enter kindergarten that fall, and that makes those kids 18 when they enter college. Just like Carrington is. There is NOTHING unusual about his age.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

He could have graduated from high school two or three years ago too. He's only two years older than redshirt junior Will Jeffress after all.

Here in the real world, kids who turn 5 over the summer enter kindergarten that fall, and that makes those kids 18 when they enter college. Just like Carrington is. There is NOTHING unusual about his age.

I often find myself saying WTF after reading SMF posts. Then thankfully I read a sensible response and realize I’m not the one that is crazy. Thank you.

 

[pittbb80]

Just a question if you completely forget about the numbers he put up in what was essentially preseason exhibition games would anyone be saying he’s a sure fire NBA draft pick based on his performances against P5 teams ?

Don’t get me wrong I think he’s a really talented kid. But the last three games has shown he has some significant improvement/adjustments to make this year to be a really good player at the college level. Right now teams are pretty much taking him out of the game. You can’t do that consistently to NBA level players. It’s it’s not like an Adams where his height and athleticism were the reason he was drafted. carrimgton will improve this year for sure as he adjusts to the level of physical play. But he’s got to get a lot stronger and needs to round out his game. Right now he’s right hand dominant. He needs to be able to take guys both ways to be more effective.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

He could have graduated from high school two or three years ago too. He's only two years younger than redshirt junior Will Jeffress after all.

Here in the real world, kids who turn 5 over the summer enter kindergarten that fall, and that makes those kids 18 when they enter college. Just like Carrington is. There is NOTHING unusual about his age.

A lot of the higher level HS players get held back a year. PIAA had to put a new rule in for this. And most summer birthdays start school the following year now.

 

[NCanton Panther]

I don't know where you went to high school, but he turned 18 on July 21. That puts him pretty much exactly where he is supposed to be age wise. Is he younger than average for his class? Yeah, sure, by a little bit. But not by a lot.

He started kindergarten (assuming that he went to kindergarten) when he was five. At what age do you think that most kids start kindergarten? In fact, at most schools at this point the rule is five years old before September 1.

He should only be a high school senior if he got held back/flunked somewhere along the line.

They must have shifted cutoff dates over the years. I was still only 17 up until the end of December in my freshman year at Pitt. So Carrington has me by a good year and a half.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

They must have shifted cutoff dates over the years. I was still only 17 up until the end of December in my freshman year at Pitt. So Carrington has me by a good year and a half.

Some of the lower income school districts still allow you to start school at 4 as long as you turn 5 before Jan 1. This is so that parents can use kindergarten as "child care."

 

[NCanton Panther]

Some of the lower income school districts still allow you to start school at 4 as long as you turn 5 before Jan 1. This is so that parents can use kindergarten as "child care."

I sure can’t claim to know specifics and not that interested to google/research it but my initial reaction would be to throw the red flag on your assertion that different school districts in the same state have different cutoff dates and the later dates are confined to ‘lower income school districts’.

At any rate, outside child care wasn’t as needed way back when I was starting. Neither was voluntarily holding back your kid a year. I started K at 4 with a latter Dec birthday and I think the cutoff then was late/end of December. Easily had a number of kids in my class close to a year older than me, more than a year older would primarily be kids held back not voluntarily but flunked

Moving forward 20-some years, my daughter was a September birthday with cutoff in Ohio end of September. I assumed that was just a change in cutoff dates over the years or difference between OH and PA.

And with the common practice of holding back your kids by that time, she easily had a number of classmates close to 2 years older.

 

[PittPanther44]

That’s great. How does that help this years’ team, which of course with the portal is the only thing that matters

It is great. And it helps this year’s team because it’s November. These guys will get more consistent and play better together.

 

[PittPanther44]

Our starting backcourt of Bub Carrington and Ish Leggett had more turnovers than assists in this game. 9 turnovers on offense vs 6 assists.


This is a team loss.

Blake Hinson is about the only player that played a pretty decent game. No one else on the team showed up today.

Yet they were a 3 pointer away from being up with 2 min to play against a good team.

There is upside here guys.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I sure can’t claim to know specifics and not that interested to google/research it but my initial reaction would be to throw the red flag on your assertion that different school districts in the same state have different cutoff dates and the later dates are confined to ‘lower income school districts’.

At any rate, outside child care wasn’t as needed way back when I was starting. Neither was voluntarily holding back your kid a year. I started K at 4 with a latter Dec birthday and I think the cutoff then was late/end of December. Easily had a number of kids in my class close to a year older than me, more than a year older would primarily be kids held back not voluntarily but flunked

Moving forward 20-some years, my daughter was a September birthday with cutoff in Ohio end of September. I assumed that was just a change in cutoff dates over the years or difference between OH and PA.

And with the common practice of holding back your kids by that time, she easily had a number of classmates close to 2 years older.

Kindergarten is not mandatory in PA and the age requirement is set locally, not by the state, which makes sense since the state doesn't even mandate that you go to Kindergarten. I personally know a friend of the family who started kindergarten a few years ago at 4. They turned 5 in October or November I believe. Maybe December. Low-income school district. I have also heard, andectotally that many low income school districts allow you to start at 4 for child care reasons. Its good for the families and the community. And being in school is never a bad thing.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

You can’t turn 19 before the school year and play at any sanctioned HS. You can play at a basketball factory

 

[pittchagg]

You can’t turn 19 before the school year and play at any sanctioned HS. You can play at a basketball factory

Yeah, but that’s basically just one full year held back. For a kid like Carrington, he could still be playing this entire 2023-24 season at St. Francis and still be comfortably under the limit as an 18 year old. Hell, if he wanted to play as a high school kid in 2024-25, he could probably do that as a post grad.

I understand what everyone’s saying here, but the truth is that Carrington is about 11 months younger than Jaland Lowe, who turned 19 earlier this fall. Papa Kante’s a freshman who just turned 20 years old last month (Papa is actually only two months younger than Will Jeffress, as crazy as that is to say). Barnes is a few months older than Carrington, so he’s still a “natural” 18 year old. The timelines and enrollment for these kinds of athletes is just different.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

You can’t turn 19 before the school year and play at any sanctioned HS. You can play at a basketball factory

I thought it was you can be 19 but not 20.