I'm a little confused, so maybe someone can help me out. I just commented on a a post about a possible Pitt recruit (Hudson). And I notice that like most possible recruits there a re always more posts about why he won't come here then why he should (or would). And this is from (supposed ) Pitt fans. Most seem to like Narduzzi (and at one time Dixon ) but yet have little or no faith in his (their) recruiting. Someone please explain this to me. Because as much as we hate the nitters you don't hear thata recruit is never coming from them. Yes it maybe a cult but those are FANS .Remember fan is short for fanatic and well that kinda fits PSU. Not looking up to them (would never do that ) but I'm perplexed about the negative posts that constantly show on our sites, more so then positive posts. Yes the records have been terrible lately and they need help. BUT ARE YOU A FAN OR NOT ? And please don't say your being realistic, because your not. Just being real ridiculous, sarcastic and negative. Is this really what REAL FANS do ?
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It's Pittsburgh man. Nobody eats their own quite like us.
And our boards are dominated right now by frustrated insecure fans who have never known a championship season, or a head coach in his 8th year at the school.
And our boards are dominated right now by frustrated insecure fans who have never known a championship season, or a head coach in his 8th year at the school.
Following recruiting, to me, is a fun thing to do in the off season. Some guys can't have fun with it, and have to use it as a means for self-flagulation.
There are a few guys each year that I hope will commit to Pitt, and if they do, it makes me happy; when they don't, I just think, oh well, there are lots of other recruits out there. Hudson for example, is a nice player. If he were to come to Pitt, then good. But if not, he is certainly replaceable. He becomes desirable simply because he's local. We like getting local guys, and we know a bit about them. But surely there is a kid from Virginia, or Florida, or somewhere else who is as good or better who will come instead. We just don't know much about him.
So, anyway, just expect that anything said about recruiting will bring out the doom and gloom posters in heartbeat, and ignore them.
Pitt won 6 regular season games last season. How many did your team win?
Beat it kid and go back to your own board
Beat it kid and go back to your own board
I can only assume this troll is a Nitwit. You need to take a look at your own program and ask what is wrong . Unlike Pitt it has put football first, spent way more money and had a lot more support...and has produced very little more than Pitt.
A PITTsburgh fan on a PITTsburgh board…….I would guess you are a ups fan with the lack of comprehension
Well, for the last 50 years I kept reading almost every year how WVU and Penn State all have out recruited Pitt every year. The same for the last 5 years.
Yet, all I know is Pitt the last 5 and 50 Years has produced more higher and award winning Players in College and the NFL than either of those schools, but if anyone dares to bring it up, by name all of sudden it is no longer important, or WVU and Penn state fans get upset and claim that is not relevant????
The Pitt Football Program due to Steve Pederson horrible performance as an Athletic Director firing Wannstedt, hiring Haywood, to firing Haywood, to hiring Graham, Graham quitting, to hiring Chryst, to Chryst resigning, to Narduzzi hiring destroyed many Recruiting Classes from 2010 to today.
Yet, it is Pitt that has the superior Offensive Line, Running Backs, Wideouts, and Tight Ends???
So, I am not worried how Pitt Recruits do since when they come to Pitt they do more than WVU or Penn State because Pitt Recruits that become Players do more in College and the NFL, and that is fact that cannot be refuted!
Nope, those are your interpretations, and words, and not mine. The W-L records have been mediocre because Graham and Chryst had to put in new systems, learn what players to develop, and accept having Recruiting classes in the Top 50 not Top 20?
Yet, WVU & PSU have not had that better records either the last 5 years and both had Sanctions placed upon them for Non-Compliance with Rules, and all their Top recruiting ranks do not equal a better quality Player in College or NFL? So what are you upset and worried about?
I agree with your earlier post about enjoying a good discussion. I also agree, Pitt recruiting ranking in the 70s right now has another rebuilding job after Chryst has left, Pederson was finally fured, and Narduzzi and Staff has been here for just about 7 months, and Franklin and Holgrosen have been doing way better in Rankings since they have been longer at the Programs and have been Head Coaches before that Narduzzi is just becoming?
Letstalkaboutnextyear has returned in the form of InthePittsince1980
Okay then...let's get an honest response to my point? Shouldn't PSU be viewed as a bigger failure than Pitt? Considering the support and resources they have put into football vs actual results on the field?
The is not true about the PSU site and posters not saying a recruit will not verbal and subsequently sign their LOI. It breaks down to the probability and what is known about the recruit. Has he visited, how engaged is the coaching staff, what is he saying, who is the competition and is there an immediate need for playing time, location, seating capacity at the stadium, average home game attendance and on and on the factors that play into anyone's prediction.
Take for instance Rashan Gary out of NJ. A five star DT that has over 30 offers from the power 5 schools that in my opinion is a very low probability of signing with Penn State. But that doesn't stop the talk of delusional fans from voicing a good chance he'll sign. There are posters that do their homework and research recruiting on a high level that make good assumptions and others that just have a wish list. But this isn't unique for all fan bases and their respective boards operate this way.
PSU has some big time programs to beat as measured in fans, alumni, cash flow and support. OSU, Michigan, Nebraska, to a lesser extent Wisky and MSU. PSU is recruiting well and no one questions the salesmanship of Franklin. It is the coaching and elevating and developing the talent that is the question for many. The nits will always fall on their sword and that level of indoctrination is why they are seen as a joke to many outside that bubble. Their myopic view of all things PSU is what keeps them going, and separates the program from any realism.
I am a Pitt fanatic, and those acquainted with me will testify to that. That being said, I know that recruiting is an inexact science, which involves many intangibles. Therefore, I try to be unemotional with recruiting updates and results. The fact of the matter is that schools will lose more than they win, unless they are the absolute elite, and pick and choose. So, Pitt, with basically mediocre results over a period of time, cannot expect to have 4 ned 5*s flocking to them, especially with competition like OSU, PSU, ND and such going for some of the same players. Recruits consider location, relationships with staff, attendance, family opinions, and all kinds of things during the process, and we don't know exactly what goes through their heads, so why worry about it? Narduzzi and staff are building relationships, have a great school and city to sell, and with some big wins, should be able to get Pitt 'over the hump'. Once that happens, recruiting will pick up, fans will show up more, and things will be good. Until then, Pitt must fight the perception of other schools with bigger names. Penn State has survived the black mark of the scandal, and will continue to recruit well, and some of the aforementioned others aren't going away, so it is imperative that this staff makes a quick impact. As a fanatic, I will believe it will happen. Until LOI though, I will sit back and take in all the recruiting info with a grain of salt, and enjoy the banter with friends that I have that are fans of the other schools.
I think the OP's point is that we should remember that we, as Pitt fans posting on this board, are ambassadors of the university whether we realize it or not. As such, we should think about how we express our comments, if indeed we truly want the best for the football team and the university. If indeed we want potential commits to sway our way.
That is not to suggest we should not express our feelings of disappointment for events or situations that we feel were not acceptable in the past whether that be too many years of mediocrity, too many underperforming head coaches, too many years with a underperforming AD, or even recent poor judgements by current players off of the field (e.g. Boyd and Blair). Having high expectations for Pitt as a fan is not only acceptable, it's what's going to make Pitt better.
Yes, there have been too many years of mediocrity and there do appear to be some local schools which Pitt could do a better job recruiting. Yet, when we make comments on this board that suggest Pitt will never get better or never get players from a particular school, we are negatively influencing the perception of Pitt to outsiders: whether that be fans of other schools or potential Pitt commits. I'm betting it is something none of us (Pitt fans) intentionally want to do.
Saying that Pitt Football has underperformed for far too long may be an understatement, but at least it is something that is now being echoed by the AD, coaches and Chancellor. That's a good sign and a big step in the right direction. The past is the past and there is nothing anyone can do about it. The future, though, could truly be bright... if we all believe. This is something PN is drilling into his players. It is the right mind set- Especially when we hear that the new coaches are backing up that mind set by working players harder and demanding higher expectations.
Yes, the 2016 recruits do not look overly impressive on paper, and yes, the staff did not land some of the high profile players they went after. Yet, PN did find and coach up quite a lot of special 3 star players at Michigan State.
None of us know how successful Pitt will be this year. Here's what's exciting: so much has changed and we have more positives this year than we have had in quite some time. I am willing to believe this is not the "same old Pitt" because it really isn't: We have two first team All-Americans on the roster, a new head coach and staff, a new AD and a new chancellor. There truly are so many more reasons to be excited about Pitt right now.
It's time to believe... Pitt is it.
That is not to suggest we should not express our feelings of disappointment for events or situations that we feel were not acceptable in the past whether that be too many years of mediocrity, too many underperforming head coaches, too many years with a underperforming AD, or even recent poor judgements by current players off of the field (e.g. Boyd and Blair). Having high expectations for Pitt as a fan is not only acceptable, it's what's going to make Pitt better.
Yes, there have been too many years of mediocrity and there do appear to be some local schools which Pitt could do a better job recruiting. Yet, when we make comments on this board that suggest Pitt will never get better or never get players from a particular school, we are negatively influencing the perception of Pitt to outsiders: whether that be fans of other schools or potential Pitt commits. I'm betting it is something none of us (Pitt fans) intentionally want to do.
Saying that Pitt Football has underperformed for far too long may be an understatement, but at least it is something that is now being echoed by the AD, coaches and Chancellor. That's a good sign and a big step in the right direction. The past is the past and there is nothing anyone can do about it. The future, though, could truly be bright... if we all believe. This is something PN is drilling into his players. It is the right mind set- Especially when we hear that the new coaches are backing up that mind set by working players harder and demanding higher expectations.
Yes, the 2016 recruits do not look overly impressive on paper, and yes, the staff did not land some of the high profile players they went after. Yet, PN did find and coach up quite a lot of special 3 star players at Michigan State.
None of us know how successful Pitt will be this year. Here's what's exciting: so much has changed and we have more positives this year than we have had in quite some time. I am willing to believe this is not the "same old Pitt" because it really isn't: We have two first team All-Americans on the roster, a new head coach and staff, a new AD and a new chancellor. There truly are so many more reasons to be excited about Pitt right now.
It's time to believe... Pitt is it.
I am in agreement with many that express what you said, I just want Pitt to show it and do it, and we need to be better in recruiting, coaching, and wins, and we all believe Pitt can do it!
There are several type of fans on this board... the positive ones (I think Im in that crowd) and you have Pitt fans that are just always pissed off at something or other. I used to think these were all just flamers, but thinking of my family members, it is probably just fair weather fans of Pitt... which Pittsburgh has a ton of. Then there are actually flamers from other schools on here, they are the ones that generally post crap until it is way too obvious then they say how they went to both Pitt and Penn Staet and like both schools. Then there are the fans that love Pitt but just hate "fill in SP, DW, Walt Harris, PC, TG....) and just wont let that go and every move a new coach makes is overly scrutinized.
That being said, I just dont think we will get Hudson because I just have never read anything that indicates he even likes Pittsburgh at all. Doesnt mean he wont pick Pitt... I mean that kid Brown that just committed to UPS was talking up Pitt like crazy, but Hudson is actually a PITTSBURGHER and he hasnt done that. So, just my feeling was from the start, we had no chance. No reflection on Narduzzi. Frankly, I think the kid would be very misinformed if he misses out on the chance to be coached by one of the top defensive minds in the country with your entire family and friends around to see it. It would literally be a mistake for him, but its his mistake to make.
I think Narduzzi and company will recruit VERY VERY WELL. We have not played a game yet... it will come. We will build momentum, and PN is the man to get us to where we need to be.
Hail Pitt fellas... we will be fine.
Why are you so hung up on Hudson? Pitt hasn't landed a McKeesport kid, in what 20 years? Longer? He aint gonna be the first. Its McKeesport, nothing more than that.
Believe me, I'd love to be wrong on this as he'd be a good get but I would be shocked, stunned, baffled, amazed, whatever you want to say if Narduzzi comes in here and lands a McKeesport kid a few months later. NOBODY has been able to do that.
A school with Pitt's academic stature should not cheat. The school speaks for itself. Thats not going to work with some kids. Thats fine. Pitt needs to get the right kids to consistently compete and if the stars align maybe more. I am very pleased with the recruiting and path taken to do so.
I like Nards a lot, and also think this staff will be strong recruiters over time ASSUMING the on field product is what is anticipated on saturdays.
I also note, given the scholarship distribution this appears to be a smaller class. I like most of their commits at least a bit.
All that being said, they have lost a LOT more battles than they have won so far.
I also note, given the scholarship distribution this appears to be a smaller class. I like most of their commits at least a bit.
All that being said, they have lost a LOT more battles than they have won so far.
Commits are verbal only and can’t officially sign until 2/3/16 so we have not really lost anyone yet! Relax
Did you read my post?
I said I like nards A LOT and think they are going to recruit well over time if they look good on saturdays.
95 percent of verbals hold up, and they have in fact lost a lot more battles than they have won to this point.
Not trying to be a smart ass but the 1st recruit in OSU’s class was on our campus yesterday and the top recruit in UPS’s class is visiting Michigan. My point is that verbals are not binding and there is sooo much time left.
In our case we have a new coach and a 1st time head coach! If he comes out and starts winning the games we should win and plays the tough teams down to the wire we could end up w/8 or 9 mins. That would change our class dramatically IMO.
In our case we have a new coach and a 1st time head coach! If he comes out and starts winning the games we should win and plays the tough teams down to the wire we could end up w/8 or 9 mins. That would change our class dramatically IMO.
Yes, verbals can still flip--even from tOSU and PSU if they see themselves not in line for early PT. But, I am not expecting Pitt to benefit from from that sort of thing. We might get lucky and pick up one guy if we overachieve expectations this fall. Our recruiting success this time around won't depend on flips, however.
IMHO, its way too early to do any "hand-wringing" over recruiting success (or lack thereof)--especially when the team ranking lists are based so much more on the numbers of recruits committed (quantity) vs average star rating (quality) this far from Feb. 2016 LOI day.
We have how many ships to give total this cycle? Roughly 15 is what I continually read--maybe 2-3 more if a couple of guys move on after camp due to where they see themselves on the depth chart. We have 8 recruits now. They are mostly solid 3-stars, and the couple who aren't right now probably are underrated (and may get more stars after their senior seasons) or else the staff wouldn't have taken their commitments this early.
I am confidant that, barring an epic fail this season, the additional 7-10 recruits who join the current group in signing LOIs in February will be at least as good as the 8 currently committed. If the season exceeds expectations the 7-10 likely will be a higher star rated group than the first eight.
Bottom line: When all is said and done, I realistically expect we will wind up with solid class of 15-18 recruits with an average star rating around 3.00 stars/recruit (I think we are currently at 2.86 by one of the rating services). We could wind up somewhat higher (3.2-3.3 stars/recruit range) if we have a better than expected season this fall.
IMHO, its way too early to do any "hand-wringing" over recruiting success (or lack thereof)--especially when the team ranking lists are based so much more on the numbers of recruits committed (quantity) vs average star rating (quality) this far from Feb. 2016 LOI day.
We have how many ships to give total this cycle? Roughly 15 is what I continually read--maybe 2-3 more if a couple of guys move on after camp due to where they see themselves on the depth chart. We have 8 recruits now. They are mostly solid 3-stars, and the couple who aren't right now probably are underrated (and may get more stars after their senior seasons) or else the staff wouldn't have taken their commitments this early.
I am confidant that, barring an epic fail this season, the additional 7-10 recruits who join the current group in signing LOIs in February will be at least as good as the 8 currently committed. If the season exceeds expectations the 7-10 likely will be a higher star rated group than the first eight.
Bottom line: When all is said and done, I realistically expect we will wind up with solid class of 15-18 recruits with an average star rating around 3.00 stars/recruit (I think we are currently at 2.86 by one of the rating services). We could wind up somewhat higher (3.2-3.3 stars/recruit range) if we have a better than expected season this fall.
Most verbals DON'T flip. Esp from a blue blood to a lesser.
Duz hasn't gotten many so far, the others have.
But who the hell could blame Duz for that? The program and its crappy predecessor administrators, coaches ... and yeah, underachieving, occasionally choking players ... are mostly to blame.
The program is ridiculously easy to negatively recruit against. Does the opposing coach really have to even say much of anything? About three words, I'd reckon: "PITT? c'mon man."
Any commits Duz was gonna get (of
real note) in this awful offseason (and thanks Jamie, for making Pitt's brand look doubly lame this off season) was gonna be gravy.
The guy has to take this crew of players that have so far collectively showed the spine of dead jellyfish and produce a strong season. After so much garbage in five years, only results on the field (absent any payola or booster activity off, which Pitt won't do) can overcome that. No amount of tweets and Facebook posts can make up for it. Anyone thinking so was set up for major disappointment.
Duz hasn't gotten many so far, the others have.
But who the hell could blame Duz for that? The program and its crappy predecessor administrators, coaches ... and yeah, underachieving, occasionally choking players ... are mostly to blame.
The program is ridiculously easy to negatively recruit against. Does the opposing coach really have to even say much of anything? About three words, I'd reckon: "PITT? c'mon man."
Any commits Duz was gonna get (of
real note) in this awful offseason (and thanks Jamie, for making Pitt's brand look doubly lame this off season) was gonna be gravy.
The guy has to take this crew of players that have so far collectively showed the spine of dead jellyfish and produce a strong season. After so much garbage in five years, only results on the field (absent any payola or booster activity off, which Pitt won't do) can overcome that. No amount of tweets and Facebook posts can make up for it. Anyone thinking so was set up for major disappointment.
That is sort of the point.
Again, I like Nards a lot and think he is going to be Pitt's Neo.
I think it was easy to get excited by them having an actual pulse and getting out and showing some fire and hitting the social media, and you sort of hoped it would come quicker, because it does with some coaches/situations.
Just a simple statement of fact that he have lost a lot more than than they have won so far, in the contested battles, and they are sort of working from behind on the current hot targets in some cases.
Not moving as fast as you might have hoped, but he is a guy who can recruit and he brought in a staff that can recruit. If he can get it done on Saturdays, you would expect them get into that groove where they get top 25ish classes.
Not sure it happens this year. Even if they close well late with a few kids, it is going to be small class and looking at who they are working right now, things are pretty thin in terms of candidates ... Just looking to get 15-18ish solid kids this year, not lighting it up.
Again, I like Nards a lot and think he is going to be Pitt's Neo.
I think it was easy to get excited by them having an actual pulse and getting out and showing some fire and hitting the social media, and you sort of hoped it would come quicker, because it does with some coaches/situations.
Just a simple statement of fact that he have lost a lot more than than they have won so far, in the contested battles, and they are sort of working from behind on the current hot targets in some cases.
Not moving as fast as you might have hoped, but he is a guy who can recruit and he brought in a staff that can recruit. If he can get it done on Saturdays, you would expect them get into that groove where they get top 25ish classes.
Not sure it happens this year. Even if they close well late with a few kids, it is going to be small class and looking at who they are working right now, things are pretty thin in terms of candidates ... Just looking to get 15-18ish solid kids this year, not lighting it up.
It is an out of line comparison. First, who did Narduzzi recruit that flipped?? Butler?? I cant even think you can say he flipped yet. I mean the guy hasnt even coached yet here. Thats like saying Bradshaw and Aikman were horrible QB's because they lost alot of games their first year. Not to mention, everyone loses more than they win. Most schools offer 100 scholarships... they might only land 20. Even Nick Saban, probably the top coach in college football here in Alabama lost many battles this past year in recruiting.
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How do you know what has been won and lost? I'm not saying you are wrong or you are right. Unless, you are on the staff...you have no idea how much they value each target. Just because there is an offer made...doesn't mean they are spending a ton of time on them. I've heard they are being very specific with who they are pursuing since it is a small class.
