Remember when…
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I don’t blame Nelly
He shouldn’t be a starting pg on a real p5 team
I don’t think this team could defend me off the bounce and I’m 44 now
I don’t either actually, just laughing at the homers who consistently thought getting worse players at the most important position the court would be addition by subtraction
It is really amazing that someone who played point guard at a top program has not been able to coach his point guards any better.
Just relax. Can’t you see that Capel is tearing the house down and building another for the 4th time?
That's all you need to know about Capel. Maybe he was somewhat capable at PG for Duke. But he sure can't coach PG's or anything.
The title of this thread “Remember When” is appropriate. I have a few “Remember When’s“ and unfortunately more “Don’t Remember” moments.
1. Why would Pitt hire Ben Holland? Pitt needs someone with major college experience and an eastern man that can recruit New York.
2. This Podunk U coach gotta go.
3. Why are they hiring Jamie when better ones are available. (Prosser and others)
4. Why did they recruit someone like Gary McGee who can’t go two minutes without fouling out?
5. My favorite……….Remember when a ticket to a Pitt basketball game was harder to get then a Steeler ticket?
1. Why would Pitt hire Ben Holland? Pitt needs someone with major college experience and an eastern man that can recruit New York.
2. This Podunk U coach gotta go.
3. Why are they hiring Jamie when better ones are available. (Prosser and others)
4. Why did they recruit someone like Gary McGee who can’t go two minutes without fouling out?
5. My favorite……….Remember when a ticket to a Pitt basketball game was harder to get then a Steeler ticket?
RE: #s 2, 3, 4, 5---These were all things that happened when Pitt was in the Big East and had a Northeastern identity in Basketball. Moving to the ACC was good for Pitt money wise but terrible for basketball.
Both Dixon and Boeheim recognized this. Dixon accepted the opportunity to move on as he recognized that recruiting for the ACC would be too difficult. If Boeheim had been younger he probably would have also moved on. IMHO, Syracuse's limited success in the ACC would have been Dixon's ceiling had he stayed---and probably still would be Pitt's ceiling in the ACC even with a much better coach.
All this being said, I still believe this team should/will improve once things settle down (i.e., Hugley 100% healthy, Jeffress back and full roster practicing together regularly for a couple of weeks). Then the currently missing on-court cohesiveness will improve after playing a few much weaker teams than WVU and Michigan.
The degree of improvement will not be close to what we would like; but it will get better from here, IMHO.
Both Dixon and Boeheim recognized this. Dixon accepted the opportunity to move on as he recognized that recruiting for the ACC would be too difficult. If Boeheim had been younger he probably would have also moved on. IMHO, Syracuse's limited success in the ACC would have been Dixon's ceiling had he stayed---and probably still would be Pitt's ceiling in the ACC even with a much better coach.
All this being said, I still believe this team should/will improve once things settle down (i.e., Hugley 100% healthy, Jeffress back and full roster practicing together regularly for a couple of weeks). Then the currently missing on-court cohesiveness will improve after playing a few much weaker teams than WVU and Michigan.
The degree of improvement will not be close to what we would like; but it will get better from here, IMHO.
And yet WVU was able to win after leaving the BE. It made it slightly more difficult, that's it. And right now, it means nothing. Location and conference affiliation mean less than nothing in today's game.
I think he’s already lost the team (we’ll find out tonight) and there won’t be much improvement moving forward. His teams generally get worse as the season goes along.
For the Capel was a PG crew, yes he was a PG that averaged 16 shots a game one year. He was More X than X is
People who still cling to the idea that the big east was the reason for our success and not our coaching is hilarious to me
Conference affiliation doesn’t make a program successful
Conference affiliation doesn’t make a program successful
Jeffress is not coming back, from what I'm hearing. Recovery is not progressing as they once thought.
The fact that in year 5 people are pining for one of the worst offensive ACC players in history to receive regular time is an indictment in itself
FWIW -- Dixon left because of Barnes -- it had nothing at all to do with playing in the ACC or recruiting for the ACC.
Don't disagree. By the way, our guards blow chunks. Hugley looks 30 lbs overweight. We run the same action every time down the court. It works for the first 5-10 minutes, then defenses adjust and we have no counter. On ball defense is non-existent. Rotations are slow and random. Players look out of shape. We look worse this year than we did in Capel's first year.
This team is possibly as bad as the 0-18 team, although I don’t expect them to go 0-18
Very true. I very much want Will to succeed, as I know everyone does, but he flat out can’t play at this level.
I think there are clearly better players on this team over the 0-18 team.
Because they are older, yes. But if you could’ve projected Marcus Carr and others playing covid years instead of the hopes of another freshmen class being lightning in a bottle like what we are currently hoping for, in hindsight, keeping Stallings was probably the move.
That team had freshman versions of below average college players playing major minutes ( Kham Davis, Shamiel Stevenson, Terrell Brown, etc. ). There’s no question this team at least has enough depth and experience to win 4-8 ACC games— the last two outings not withstanding
If we’re saying 4-6 yes. I just don’t see any way this team that looks like it’s already falling apart, when typically it happens in late January, wins 8 games. I also don’t see nearly enough talent or defensive ability to win 8 games. And yes I know how bad the ACC is.
This is a wild statement. One ACC coach said that was the worst team in ACC history. This team is going to finish 10th this year. Way, way off.
The only decent ACC player (Hugley) will most likely not play much this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if he shut it down by mid January.
Wish I could argue with anything in this thread.
As bad as Nelly and Burton have been if they miss time we are really in trouble.
I can’t believe the lack of effort shown in the last 2 games.
Like I said in another thread, occasionally you will get a Mo Gueye who ended up at Stoney Brook, but obviously was a really late bloomer and was a legit P5 level player. But that is 1 out of every 100. The other 99 are more like Nelly Cummings or Nike Sibande who were recruited at those levels for a reason.
I find it funny how posters like you seem to find enjoyment in watching Pitt suck so you can say "I told you so."
I loved the Capel hire up until I saw his staff. Thought it would work until it fell apart in year 2. I don’t think this is a told you so. But I certainly don’t want Pitt in purgatory of him being 10th-12th and forcing Heather into a decision with a good class incoming. I’d much rather it be a dumpster fire and him make her decision, yes. I think that’s pretty obviously the take here
Fair enough. I was rooting for them to lose in the second half of last year so he would get fired. I’m not there yet this year but probably will be if things don’t get any better soon.
On paper it was a really good hire .
In practice - not so much .
That our team ranks at the end of every season doesn’t say much for him and his staff
That they have all been retained this long is enough reason to fire Jeff
