Renew your tickets if you support the status quo

[jgdPittfan]

dont renew if are not satisfied with the direction of the program for four years under Narduzzi.
That’s the only way to get Heathers
attention although he will be here another year. To not bench Pickett and give the back up a chance in several games this season and not replace Watson during the season or after shows Narduzzi’s inability to make the changes necessary to fix the major issues with the offense.

 

[Pantherwalk]

dont renew if are not satisfied with the direction of the program for four years under Narduzzi.
That’s the only way to get Heathers
attention although he will be here another year. To not bench Pickett and give the back up a chance in several games this season and not replace Watson during the season or after shows Narduzzi’s inability to make the changes necessary to fix the major issues with the offense.

Daughter will be a senior so I have one more season for sure. I'll will decide after 2019 if I will continue to support the status quo.

 

[MarySki]

Just what we need, more empty seats and less money, and more fans like that. ...Wait, I think we already have them.

 

[Saboteur]

Just what we need, more empty seats and less money, and more fans like that. ...Wait, I think we already have them.

I disagree. No one buys services or products expecting them to be mediocre.
Pitt needs to please it's existing customers and we (those who buy season tickets) are entitled to speak our minds...and our wallets.

 

[Jakey_John]

Just what we need, more empty seats and less money, and more fans like that. ...Wait, I think we already have them.

Yes because the return on the investment for 35 years has just been spectacular. No reason to be unhappy with the results.

 

[ThePanthers]

I disagree. No one buys services or products expecting them to be mediocre.
Pitt needs to please it's existing customers and we (those who buy season tickets) are entitled to speak our minds...and our wallets.

And this is why pitt will never move forward. College athletics relies on support to pull in the recruits.

Its a visious cycle.

 

[ThePanthers]

Yes because the return on the investment for 35 years has just been spectacular. No reason to be unhappy with the results.

It only took a year or 2 for the fans to jump right after the glory years in the early 80s. Same with basketball now. Dont act like the fans stuck around for 35 years and fully supported.

 

[Las Panteras]

College football teams get the support they deserve.

Look around the country,

Its really that simple

 

[ThePanthers]

Pitt then should be somewhere in the middle of the power 5 in attendance and donations. We should be 2nd in the acc. Instead we are close to last.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

I disagree. No one buys services or products expecting them to be mediocre.
Pitt needs to please it's existing customers and we (those who buy season tickets) are entitled to speak our minds...and our wallets.

When you're talking about being a fan of a college sport and a U you're not always following free market economic principles, it's called being a great fan!
Look at all the U's with .500 records that get large donations and have busy stadiums on game day.

If we followed free market principles I'd buy nothing PITT or CSU and do something else on Saturday but we don't.
Mrs Buffett and I buy 2 sets of season tickets from the PITT ticket office, purchase PITT merchandise from the PITT athletic website, donate, book Northshore rooms for inflated prices, and drive 600+ rt on to watch a .500 team.

We do the same for Colorado State Mrs Buffett's U and fly out for two- three games each year to watch another .500 program play football. We buy official CSU merchandise and donate.

Following and supporting these two U's is one of the most expensive things we do!
We make it fun and do other things while in both locations and make it vacation time.

If you vote with your closed wallet your U will never move forward!

Unfortunately many so called fans like you, use the football product as an excuse to not buy tickets or merchandise basically because you're a cheap a-s. Some have other stupid reasons like not paying players or something else.
If the team improved or paid players most of you would come up with another excuse!

The only way your program gets better, hires better coaches, builds the necessary facilities, to attract top recruits is from fan money.

Yes fans can vote with their wallets and if they keep them closed they're part of the problem not the solution!

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams!

 

[Jakey_John]

It only took a year or 2 for the fans to jump right after the glory years in the early 80s. Same with basketball now. Dont act like the fans stuck around for 35 years and fully supported.

Fair enough but by that logic you shouldn’t pretend like Pitt football is a wise investment either.

 

[McKee Place]

They're already paying the price so to speak. Season tickets could hardly cost less, and donations, excuse me, ticket purchasing fees, are crazy low. And this is precisely because the product has been so bad.

Yes, not buying tickets at all is a stiffer punishment but ticket revenues are already at teeth-skin levels as it is... and it's all their own fault.

They know this too... they aren't totally dumb ... there are economics profs at Pitt who can explain supply and demand. They just don't care. Winning football is simply that distasteful to our brass.

 

[Black_Man_Panther]

Looking at all of the empty seats at these bowl games... college football has an attendance issue. They just haven't realized it.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Fair enough but by that logic you shouldn’t pretend like Pitt football is a wise investment either.

Spending money that you put on the expense side of the ledger isn't an investment.
Spending money on Alabama football isn't an investment either.

In an economic sense, an investment is the purchase of goods that are not consumed today but are used in the future to create wealth. In finance, an investment is a monetary asset purchased with the idea that the asset will provide income in the future or will later be sold at a higher price for a profit.

PITT football is an expense which directly reduces income, has no long lasting value, but offers some utility if you enjoy football.

It is an inexpensive way to enjoy a college football game, just like Pirates tickets these days.

Rather than investing when you spend money on PITT football or basketball you making deposit for the future of those programs which may or may not increase your enjoyment as a fan down the road.

 

[McKee Place]

Looking at all of the empty seats at these bowl games... college football has an attendance issue. They just haven't realized it.

The bowl model is somewhat different. The sponsor, network, ad money and lots of programming space to fill this time of year are why they exist. The communities like good traveling programs for the tourist spending, but otherwise nobody really cares who plays whom

 

[pitt-girl]

dont renew if are not satisfied with the direction of the program for four years under Narduzzi.
That’s the only way to get Heathers
attention although he will be here another year. To not bench Pickett and give the back up a chance in several games this season and not replace Watson during the season or after shows Narduzzi’s inability to make the changes necessary to fix the major issues with the offense.

Go for it. It would be really helpful to the program. And along with it, don't come here and complain either.

 

[passedout]

I disagree. No one buys services or products expecting them to be mediocre.
Pitt needs to please it's existing customers and we (those who buy season tickets) are entitled to speak our minds...and our wallets.

For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction. You can speak your mind (Heather has an email) and STILL support your university by buying tickets. Loss of money causes panic decisions -- do you want that to happen to the university you love? Loss of money/fanbase causes universities to shut down programs. Look at UAB. Do you want that?

 

[ThePanthers]

Fair enough but by that logic you shouldn’t pretend like Pitt football is a wise investment either.

Its not an investment. Its entertainment.

 

[DiehardPanther]

dont renew if are not satisfied with the direction of the program for four years under Narduzzi.
That’s the only way to get Heathers
attention although he will be here another year. To not bench Pickett and give the back up a chance in several games this season and not replace Watson during the season or after shows Narduzzi’s inability to make the changes necessary to fix the major issues with the offense.

Do you even attend games? If you do, then you should realize there are a ton of empty seats already and this hurts our recruiting effort.

 

[ThePanthers]

Do you even attend games? If you do, then you should realize there are a ton of empty seats already and this hurts our recruiting effort.

Pantherlair fans: RECRUIT BETTER!!!!!!!
Recruits: Damn this place is empty, next.

 

[BigBird80]

Lyke should have a Q&A session with season ticket holders and donators. Nobody wants to cut funds that they would believe would help Pitt move forward, but nobody wants to continue to invest in junk.

Somebody from Pitt needs to come up with a plan for football success and also set requirements for donations and funding. Does this exist?

 

[Pitt-Chains]

dont renew if are not satisfied with the direction of the program for four years under Narduzzi.
That’s the only way to get Heathers
attention although he will be here another year. To not bench Pickett and give the back up a chance in several games this season and not replace Watson during the season or after shows Narduzzi’s inability to make the changes necessary to fix the major issues with the offense.

PITT is my team, I'll never give up.

If you do, you are a total loser.

 

[Pitt-Chains]

Lyke should have a Q&A session with season ticket holders and donators. Nobody wants to cut funds that they would believe would help Pitt move forward, but nobody wants to continue to invest in junk.

Somebody from Pitt needs to come up with a plan for football success and also set requirements for donations and funding. Does this exist?

Not junk..

 

[Pitt-Chains]

Not junk..

For the record.. I LOVE THE UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH.

My spot and my wife and son.. H2P always !

 

[oldpanther]

dont renew if are not satisfied with the direction of the program for four years under Narduzzi.
That’s the only way to get Heathers
attention although he will be here another year. To not bench Pickett and give the back up a chance in several games this season and not replace Watson during the season or after shows Narduzzi’s inability to make the changes necessary to fix the major issues with the offense.

I don’t like the direction of the program but I will still donate and purchase the season tickets, if several thousand fans take your advice then there would be 32000 vs 34000 in the stands. Count me in the 32000 even thou it is difficult knowing if PItt had a more efficient and better coached Off. 9 or 10 wins would not have been out of the question. HCPN is probably here for another 2 years and if the results are the same as the previous 4 years perhaps a big donor or donors wil pay the buyout and ties severed.

 

[passedout]

I don’t like the direction of the program but I will still donate and purchase the season tickets, if several thousand fans take your advice then there would be 32000 vs 34000 in the stands. Count me in the 32000 even thou it is difficult knowing if PItt had a more efficient and better coached Off. 9 or 10 wins would not have been out of the question. HCPN is probably here for another 2 years and if the results are the same as the previous 4 years perhaps a big donor or donors wil pay the buyout and ties severed.

this is a totally level-headed response. Duzzi is here for a few more years. I like what he's done with our defense. I think he's a smart enough coach to adapt and develop on both sides of the ball. Heather was smart enough to know what a mess this program was before Duzzi got here and wisely gave him more time. I hear alot of players say they would run through the proverbial brick wall for him -- that says VOLUMES about the man. Coordinators come and go in winning programs --- but the one constant among most every winning program is a head coach players love to play for!

 

[BigBird80]

Can somebody please answer what is the appropriate method for ticket holders and donators to show they don't like the direction the program is headed? I get it, you don't want to stop buying tickets and donating....so what's the way? And don't say send an email.


Also, why was it appropriate for basketball?

 

[passedout]

Can somebody please answer what is the appropriate method for ticket holders and donators to show they don't like the direction the program is headed? I get it, you don't want to stop buying tickets and donating....so what's the way? And don't say send an email.
Also, why was it appropriate for basketball?

It wasn't appropriate for basketball. Look what it did to the program. For awhile, the Pete was the hottest ticket in town. Back in '09 I watched a guy throw out $400 for 2 tix to UCONN for him and his son. Now, there's a ton of empty seats and Coach Capel has one more battle to win on top of recruiting, game-planning, etc -- winning back a fanbase -- when it didn't need to be.

 

[HailtoPitt]

I have not bought tickets or attended a game since the 2014 season. Frankly, I haven't missed much. I will be back when they either right size HF or play in their own stadium. It isn't difficult to see that HF is too large for the program.

 

[BFo8]

I don’t like the direction of the program but I will still donate and purchase the season tickets, if several thousand fans take your advice then there would be 32000 vs 34000 in the stands. Count me in the 32000 even thou it is difficult knowing if PItt had a more efficient and better coached Off. 9 or 10 wins would not have been out of the question. HCPN is probably here for another 2 years and if the results are the same as the previous 4 years perhaps a big donor or donors wil pay the buyout and ties severed.

I feel the same way basically. When Stallings was hired I said I was going to stop donating, it was a knee jerk reaction and I later felt stupid for posting it.

 

[OriginalEther]

Can somebody please answer what is the appropriate method for ticket holders and donators to show they don't like the direction the program is headed? I get it, you don't want to stop buying tickets and donating....so what's the way? And don't say send an email.


Also, why was it appropriate for basketball?

If you think the current state of the football program is equal to what the basketball program was under Stallings, then you probably shouldn’t be participating in this discussion

 

[BigBird80]

If you think the current state of the football program is equal to what the basketball program was under Stallings, then you probably shouldn’t be participating in this discussion

The discussion is stupid, i'm trying to make it meaningful. You have 2 sides that both have good points, but neither is right. Neither budges and nothing is accomplished for the past 30 years. Side 1 says FU Pitt, i'm not donating for crap results and they have a valid point. Side 2 says, you moron, you can't cut off all funding from an athletic department and expect them to get better with no financial backing... which is also true.

You can't keep pushing money at a product and say, I don't like it. That's not how business works. If a company (and that's what Pitt is) continues to get financial results...even poor ones that keep them afloat... for delivering a medicore product, they'll continue that route. You also can't expect big change by not pumping big money into a company. There has to be some middle ground worked by both sides in conjunction with Pitt. There has to be promises promised by Pitt, but at the same time, they have to give us targets to shoot for. This can't be like church where they say, pleas be generous with your donations.....and then go, that was nice, but it's not enough. What is enough, tell us? What changes will it bring? What targets will we be setting?

 

[ThePanthers]

The discussion is stupid, i'm trying to make it meaningful. You have 2 sides that both have good points, but neither is right. Neither budges and nothing is accomplished for the past 30 years. Side 1 says FU Pitt, i'm not donating for crap results and they have a valid point. Side 2 says, you moron, you can't cut off all funding from an athletic department and expect them to get better with no financial backing... which is also true.

You can't keep pushing money at a product and say, I don't like it. That's not how business works. If a company (and that's what Pitt is) continues to get financial results...even poor ones that keep them afloat... for delivering a medicore product, they'll continue that route. You also can't expect big change by not pumping big money into a company. There has to be some middle ground worked by both sides in conjunction with Pitt. There has to be promises promised by Pitt, but at the same time, they have to give us targets to shoot for. This can't be like church where they say, pleas be generous with your donations.....and then go, that was nice, but it's not enough. What is enough, tell us? What changes will it bring? What targets will we be setting?

Your issue is you are treating it like a normal business. Its not. And that is the main issue for our fanbase.

College athletics is a different animal.

As for your targets, narduzzi has said from day 1 winning the coastal and playing for acc championships was his goal for the program.

 

[Jsr862]

I am as frustrated as any fan there is, however we could go 0-12 , 3 years in a row and I'll still renew my tickets. Yes I want a winning team, but I go because I love watching the sport of football now I no longer play and Pitt will always be my team of choice. I don't go to watch the coach but the kids who are playing to support them. I understand coaching reflects on what I see on the field, but those kids deserve a crowd. They still are putting time in the class room and at practice to come out to play the game, the deserve eyes on them and fans in the stands. And I for one enjoy driving down to the games and having that atmosphere, I even enjoy going to the spring game just for the fact I am at the stadium with the food and other fans and getting to see some football.

 

[pittdan77]

As for your targets, narduzzi has said from day 1 winning the coastal and playing for acc championships was his goal for the program.

Well, he did that so the bar has to be raised.

 

[anon_vmuicqnzlyp3u]

When you're talking about being a fan of a college sport and a U you're not always following free market economic principles, it's called being a great fan!
Look at all the U's with .500 records that get large donations and have busy stadiums on game day.

If we followed free market principles I'd buy nothing PITT or CSU and do something else on Saturday but we don't.
Mrs Buffett and I buy 2 sets of season tickets from the PITT ticket office, purchase PITT merchandise from the PITT athletic website, donate, book Northshore rooms for inflated prices, and drive 600+ rt on to watch a .500 team.

We do the same for Colorado State Mrs Buffett's U and fly out for two- three games each year to watch another .500 program play football. We buy official CSU merchandise and donate.

Following and supporting these two U's is one of the most expensive things we do!
We make it fun and do other things while in both locations and make it vacation time.

If you vote with your closed wallet your U will never move forward!

Unfortunately many so called fans like you, use the football product as an excuse to not buy tickets or merchandise basically because you're a cheap a-s. Some have other stupid reasons like not paying players or something else.
If the team improved or paid players most of you would come up with another excuse!

The only way your program gets better, hires better coaches, builds the necessary facilities, to attract top recruits is from fan money.

Yes fans can vote with their wallets and if they keep them closed they're part of the problem not the solution!

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams!

I for one could care less what you do with your money. Please stop spouting off about spending this and that. You are not special. Your a fan thats it. At every turn you brag and about you and your old lady "flying, donating, buying" big effin deal.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

Go for it. It would be really helpful to the program. And along with it, don't come here and complain either.

That's just it. It's often the people who don't donate or buy tickets that complain the most. I have no problem if people don't wish to spend their money on Pitt athletics, but STFU already about firing coaches and investing more into the football program. It's like people who don't vote complaining about politicians.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Pantherlair fans: RECRUIT BETTER!!!!!!!
Recruits: Damn this place is empty, next.

SMF: Make the stadium look more full by closing/tarping sections.

 

[pittbb80]

Can somebody please answer what is the appropriate method for ticket holders and donators to show they don't like the direction the program is headed? I get it, you don't want to stop buying tickets and donating....so what's the way? And don't say send an email.


Also, why was it appropriate for basketball?

The answer is there is no right way. What every you think works for you is the right way.

I get both sides of the argument........College sports is different than a free market business (you have to continue to fund it or it wont be successful) and the perspective of the free market (ie. I'll buy your product if its of value to me). I tend to lean towards the later but thats just me. I do think that in time that free market forces will eventually change the way Universities and Colleges think as I do believe there is little to no accountability from the cost perspective and as a result tuition's are spiraling out of control.

 

[Panther Holla]

Spending money that you put on the expense side of the ledger isn't an investment.
Spending money on Alabama football isn't an investment either.

In an economic sense, an investment is the purchase of goods that are not consumed today but are used in the future to create wealth. In finance, an investment is a monetary asset purchased with the idea that the asset will provide income in the future or will later be sold at a higher price for a profit.

PITT football is an expense which directly reduces income, has no long lasting value, but offers some utility if you enjoy football.

It is an inexpensive way to enjoy a college football game, just like Pirates tickets these days.

Rather than investing when you spend money on PITT football or basketball you making deposit for the future of those programs which may or may not increase your enjoyment as a fan down the road.

Amen. My season tix for FB and MBB aren't part of my retirement portfolio. I love to watch the Panthers, painful as it may be more often than not. I like to sit among similar-minded people. It's cheap fun!