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In many cases, I can appreciate it. Technological advances making sure we get things right are a good thing.

But there are THREE specific replay challenges in THREE distinctly different sports I don't like, that slows down play and takes away from the spirit of "getting it right".

1) Football. NFL specific. "The Catch". It is as much about the rule as it is the replay. I don't like parsing every catch to see if a guy has "control" and the ball moves a mm or so when he goes to the ground. Come on. A catch is a catch. A trap is a trap. And that's that. To me, if you can't determine in 30-40 seconds if a guy caught the ball or not, then it is too close and murky to overturn. And that should be the rule. Again, I don't mind replay being utilized to right obvious and egregious bad calls. But when you have to parse frame by frame like it the Zapruder film and after 3 minutes determine that the ball moved an inch in his hands despite never leaving his possession the catch is overturned....that is BS. Get rid of the nonsense. 30 seconds to review catches. He either caught it, in bounds or he didn't. End of story.

2) Baseball. The tag. Again, did the tag beat the runner or not? That's it. But this carry through 30 seconds or so where they go frame by frame and parse it and determine that while the runner clearly beat the tag, somewhere as he goes to the base his finger comes off for a fraction of a second and the tag was still applied, or worse, the tag actually forced the hand to come off of the bag for that second and.....OUT! That was not the intent of replay. Just a horribly unnecessary replay and rule. Unless the runner slides obviously through the bag or overruns it and has to reach back.....stop challenging every close play because you know there is a 50/50 chance at some moment, a fraction of a second, the hand loses contact with the base, and mainly because the tag pushes the hand away. Again, not the intent of the rule or call.

3) Hockey. Offsides. This is so effed up on so many levels. First of all, as a Pens fan, I have seen us lose a series because of an obviously blown offsides call. Two things wrong about the replay challenge. Again, it should be simple, was he in before the puck or not? Bang/bang. As the rule is constructed now, you can gain the zone, hold the puck in for 4-5 minutes and score a goal. The coach can challenge that play from 5 minutes ago. And wipe out the goal and all the 5 minutes and reboot? Never mind the defensive team had 4-5 minutes to clear the puck, and the offsides didn't lead directly to a goal. It should be, the skater preceded the puck and on that play, it resulted in a goal. Then the offsides. Once again, because of replay, they parse frame by frame, you have to have your skate on the ice. So you can actually not completely beat the puck in but your skate along the blueline was not on the ice, so you are "offside", even though you really had no advantage and was not offsides. It is taking a simple rule, and applying so much complexity and nuance to it that was never intended. Worse, as we see with all the headshots, interference, etc...this was decided as an important rule of emphasis. Here's the solution.....the blueline is like the goalline, there is an imaginary plane the rises up from the blueline, and the offsides play to be reviewed must directly lead to a goal in that 20 seconds. If not....sorry.

This is where replay gets abused in my opinion. "Getting the call right" is getting abused and obfuscated to these 50/50 challenge Hail Mary's just because there is a shot, even though it was never something that would have been challenged before. It takes away from the game, and the spirit of the rules. AND here is the thing, in almost all of those cases, it is not some competitive advantage that was gained.
 
Recruits, I hate it, absolutely despise it it, makes me sick. it's ruining baseball. regarding football I actually have to wait an hour and a half to two hours after the game starts, DVR it just so I could fast forward every damn time. Do you really need to review every td, out of bounds play, first down? I would rather my team get screwed on a bad call than continue this. Sad what it's doing to baseball
 
It's amazing we had sports before instant replay. We all somehow managed to live without it.
 
Hate replay. Slows down the game. Never know if I can get excited or pissed off.

I think they could speed up football reviews. I hate how they have to announce they will review. Then the refs run over and review. Then they go back to the field an announce the results.

If a coach reviews, tell the ref. The refs signals to a ref upstairs. review it, make the change/stay the same, and move on. If you can't get it after a certain time period, play on the field stands.
 
My point on those 3 specific reviews, many of them are really obscure and not so obvious. If you take 4-5 minutes to figure out of a guy did or did not have possession for a 12 yard gain, or if a guys thumb comes off the bag when he is sliding or a mm of skate is raised off the ice that leads to a goal a minute later....well..............

Again replay should be about reversing the obvious mistakes. The one's where 30 seconds is what you take to determine yes or no. When you start looking for reasons to overturn a call, just because someone has requested a review......well that is not what these were supposed to be about.
 
I would prefer if there was technology imbedded in the ball, the uniforms, the playing field and we had robots making the calls.

Rules are rules, and if you have a way to ensure their accuracy, go for it.
 
I would prefer if there was technology imbedded in the ball, the uniforms, the playing field and we had robots making the calls.

Rules are rules, and if you have a way to ensure their accuracy, go for it.
In baseball, I say u either have none or what you propose. This garbage now, where it's acceptable on some plays but not on pitches, as some sort of sactimonious crap, is garbage. If you are gonna take 5 minutes to review whether someone's hand came off a stolen base, but you do t want to do balls and strikes, makes no sense. You've already sold out with instant replay, go all the way. Give me the upmc electronic strike zone and get rid of the fat old guy acting as ump.
 
Hockey has a good system, IMO. Offsides is annoying but overall I think their replay is the most competent. I wish baseball would adopt their system, personally.

I also fully agree that there should be an automated strike zone in baseball. Umpires have not been able to keep up with the better pitching velocity/movement.
 
You're telling me you can't shoot something up the sides of the plat that is able to tell if the ball crosses it with a pitch? You can't shoot something from the sides to see the height of a pitch? An umpire calling balls and strikes is a joke.
 
You're telling me you can't shoot something up the sides of the plat that is able to tell if the ball crosses it with a pitch? You can't shoot something from the sides to see the height of a pitch? An umpire calling balls and strikes is a joke.

You can. But MLB is super behind the times and thinks that "the human element" adds charm. They were dragged kicking and screaming into the replay era and instituted a policy that's led to not thing but cronyism.

MLB, essentially, believes that a referee who calls icing incorrectly every single time is good because he's "consistent". That's the stance they've taken with the strike zone. You can call a predefined zone incorrectly as much as you want, just do it consistently. It's a joke. They wonder why the game is losing its appeal to younger people, and it's the insistence on clinging to the past.
 
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You would think with the concussion paranoia that is going on, kids would be flocking to baseball. Guess not...
 
Re: football, I think college replay is way worse than pro but maybe that's the sophistication of those doing the reviewing. I watched multiple CFB games last year that had head-scratching, illogical replay calls that couldn't even be explained after the fact except to say," Yep, the officials f'd up." Look no further than the Miami kickoff return vs. Duke. (I can provide more.)
 
You would think with the concussion paranoia that is going on, kids would be flocking to baseball. Guess not...

I think baseball is getting better athletes than people believe -- the level of athlete in baseball now compared to the level of athlete in the 70's/80's is totally incomparable -- although I think it pales in comparison to basketball.

People scoffed at Cuban a couple of years ago but I thought then -- and still think -- that the NBA will be a monster going forward relative to the other sports.
 
I think baseball is getting better athletes than people believe -- the level of athlete in baseball now compared to the level of athlete in the 70's/80's is totally incomparable -- although I think it pales in comparison to basketball.

People scoffed at Cuban a couple of years ago but I thought then -- and still think -- that the NBA will be a monster going forward relative to the other sports.
Not in Pittsburgh.
 
Human error is the issue at hand. Do you want human error deciding the outcome that means millions of dollars won or lost?

Think about all the sporting events where a human called it wrong or missed something that decided the outcome.

Maradona and the Hand of God. That goal in the 86 World Cup may have been the deciding factor in England going onto the semifinal and not Argentina. Sure England should have stopped him on the second goal.
 
Hockey has a good system, IMO. Offsides is annoying but overall I think their replay is the most competent. I wish baseball would adopt their system, personally.

I also fully agree that there should be an automated strike zone in baseball. Umpires have not been able to keep up with the better pitching velocity/movement.

I think the replay for goals and things like that are great. Again, the spirit of the offsides rule has been completely lost now that they can subject it to replay.
 
Re: football, I think college replay is way worse than pro but maybe that's the sophistication of those doing the reviewing. I watched multiple CFB games last year that had head-scratching, illogical replay calls that couldn't even be explained after the fact except to say," Yep, the officials f'd up." Look no further than the Miami kickoff return vs. Duke. (I can provide more.)

I like college football's better because it is faster. Where you have to have a jaundiced eye is if these are conference driven, with as much money as being at stake, you wonder if the replays are reviewed under a "what is best for the conference" theme. I always look back to our 13-9 upset of WVU and those unbelievably phantom holding calls.
 
In many cases, I can appreciate it. Technological advances making sure we get things right are a good thing.

But there are THREE specific replay challenges in THREE distinctly different sports I don't like, that slows down play and takes away from the spirit of "getting it right".

1) Football. NFL specific. "The Catch". It is as much about the rule as it is the replay. I don't like parsing every catch to see if a guy has "control" and the ball moves a mm or so when he goes to the ground. Come on. A catch is a catch. A trap is a trap. And that's that. To me, if you can't determine in 30-40 seconds if a guy caught the ball or not, then it is too close and murky to overturn. And that should be the rule. Again, I don't mind replay being utilized to right obvious and egregious bad calls. But when you have to parse frame by frame like it the Zapruder film and after 3 minutes determine that the ball moved an inch in his hands despite never leaving his possession the catch is overturned....that is BS. Get rid of the nonsense. 30 seconds to review catches. He either caught it, in bounds or he didn't. End of story.

2) Baseball. The tag. Again, did the tag beat the runner or not? That's it. But this carry through 30 seconds or so where they go frame by frame and parse it and determine that while the runner clearly beat the tag, somewhere as he goes to the base his finger comes off for a fraction of a second and the tag was still applied, or worse, the tag actually forced the hand to come off of the bag for that second and.....OUT! That was not the intent of replay. Just a horribly unnecessary replay and rule. Unless the runner slides obviously through the bag or overruns it and has to reach back.....stop challenging every close play because you know there is a 50/50 chance at some moment, a fraction of a second, the hand loses contact with the base, and mainly because the tag pushes the hand away. Again, not the intent of the rule or call.

3) Hockey. Offsides. This is so effed up on so many levels. First of all, as a Pens fan, I have seen us lose a series because of an obviously blown offsides call. Two things wrong about the replay challenge. Again, it should be simple, was he in before the puck or not? Bang/bang. As the rule is constructed now, you can gain the zone, hold the puck in for 4-5 minutes and score a goal. The coach can challenge that play from 5 minutes ago. And wipe out the goal and all the 5 minutes and reboot? Never mind the defensive team had 4-5 minutes to clear the puck, and the offsides didn't lead directly to a goal. It should be, the skater preceded the puck and on that play, it resulted in a goal. Then the offsides. Once again, because of replay, they parse frame by frame, you have to have your skate on the ice. So you can actually not completely beat the puck in but your skate along the blueline was not on the ice, so you are "offside", even though you really had no advantage and was not offsides. It is taking a simple rule, and applying so much complexity and nuance to it that was never intended. Worse, as we see with all the headshots, interference, etc...this was decided as an important rule of emphasis. Here's the solution.....the blueline is like the goalline, there is an imaginary plane the rises up from the blueline, and the offsides play to be reviewed must directly lead to a goal in that 20 seconds. If not....sorry.

This is where replay gets abused in my opinion. "Getting the call right" is getting abused and obfuscated to these 50/50 challenge Hail Mary's just because there is a shot, even though it was never something that would have been challenged before. It takes away from the game, and the spirit of the rules. AND here is the thing, in almost all of those cases, it is not some competitive advantage that was gained.

In baseball, plays should stand, I miss the manager going ballistic...
 
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