Rival Recruiting Rankings Update, LINK!

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Once again, SEC is dominating recruiting and Big Ten close behind. I used Top 30 since that reflects the Top 25 better until signing day. Looks like the Florida Programs are back in recruiting. Big Ten has 4 Programs in the Top Ten so far, SEC closes fast near signing day. Maryland and Wisconsin in the Big Ten are doing pretty good as well. Coaches at UCLA, TCU and Baylor, and Ole Miss are enjoying recent 10 Games wins. PITT has so much more to do!

RIVAL RECRUITING RANKINGS 2016 UPDATE:
SEC-#1 LSU
ACC-#2 Florida State
ACC-#3 Miami (FL)
B10-#4 Ohio State
B10-#5 Michigan State
B10-#6 Michigan
SEC-#7 Alabama
P12-#8 USC
SEC-#9 Mississippi
B10-#10 Penn State
SEC-#11 Georgia
P12-#12 UCLA
SEC-#13 Kentucky
SEC-#14 Texas A&M
ACC-#15 Duke
P12-#16 Oregon
B12-#17 Texas Tech
SEC-#18 Tennessee
B10-#19 Iowa
SEC-#20 Florida
P12-#21 Stanford
B10 #22 Northwestern
B12-#23 TCU
SEC #23 Auburn
P12-#25 California
B10-#26 Maryland
B12-#27 Baylor
ACC-#28 Clemson
ACC-#29 Virginia
B10-#30 Wisconsin

TOP 30 BY CONFERENCE 2016 UPDATE:
SEC: 9 OF 14 TEAMS:
SEC-#1 LSU
SEC-#7 Alabama
SEC-#9 Mississippi
SEC-#11 Georgia
SEC-#13 Kentucky
SEC-#14 Texas A&M
SEC-#18 Tennessee
SEC-#20 Florida
SEC #23 Auburn

B10: 8 OF 14 TEAMS:
B10-#4 Ohio State
B10-#5 Michigan State
B10-#6 Michigan
B10-#10 Penn State
B10-#19 Iowa
B10 #22 Northwestern
B10-#26 Maryland
B10-#30 Wisconsin

ACC: 5 OF 14 TEAMS:
ACC-#2 Florida State
ACC-#3 Miami (FL)
ACC-#15 Duke
ACC-#28 Clemson
ACC-#29 Virginia

P12: 5 OF 12 TEAMS:
P12-#8 USC
P12-#12 UCLA
P12-#16 Oregon
P12-#21 Stanford
P12-#25 California

B12: 3 OF 10 TEAMS:
B12-#17 Texas Tech
B12-#23 TCU
B12-#27 Baylor

OTHER PROGRAMS:
31 NOTRE DAME
33 WVU
42 ASU
52 ARIZONA
65 PITT
95 TEMPLE

LINK:
https://rivals.yahoo.com/Pittsburgh/football/recruiting/teamrank

 

[vegasgreed]

hate to see the nits at #10. msu is killing it. golden hasn't done anything on the field yet but he can recruit.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

FINAL RIVAL RECRUITING TOP 25 RANKINGS 2015:
P12-#1 USC
SEC-#2 Alabama
ACC-#3 Florida State
ACC-#4 Clemson
SEC-#5 Tennessee
SEC-#6 Georgia
SEC-#7 Auburn
SEC-#8 LSU
B10-#9 Ohio State
SEC-#10 Texas A&M
INP-#11 Notre Dame
B12-#12 Texas
P12-#13 UCLA
B12-#14 Oklahoma
B10-#15 Penn State
SEC-#16 Mississippi State
P12-#17 Oregon
P12-#18 Stanford
SEC-#19 South Carolina
P12-#20 Arizona State
SEC-#21 Mississippi
B10-#22 Michigan State
SEC-#23 Florida
ACC-#24 Virginia Tech 24
SEC-#25 Arkansas

FINAL TOP 25 RIVAL RECRUITING RANKINGS 2015:
SEC: 11 OF 14 TEAMS:
SEC-#2 Alabama
SEC-#5 Tennessee
SEC-#6 Georgia
SEC-#7 Auburn
SEC-#8 LSU
SEC-#10 Texas A&M
SEC-#16 Mississippi State
SEC-#19 South Carolina
SEC-#21 Mississippi
SEC-#23 Florida
SEC-#25 Arkansas

P12: 5 OF 12 TEAMS:
P12-#1 USC
P12-#13 UCLA
P12-#17 Oregon
P12-#18 Stanford
P12-#20 Arizona State

ACC: 3 OF 14 TEAMS
ACC-#3Florida State
ACC-#4 Clemson
ACC-#24 Virginia Tech 24
INP-#11 Notre Dame

B10: 3 OF 10 TEAMS
B10-#9 Ohio State
B10-#15 Penn State
B10-#22 Michigan State

B12: 2 OF10 TEAMS
B12-#12 Texas
B12-#14 Oklahoma

OTHER PROGRAMS:
33 WVU
37 WISCONSIN
41 ARIZONA
50 MICHIGAN
66 PITT
73 TEMPLE

LINK:
https://rivals.yahoo.com/Pittsburgh/football/recruiting/teamrank/2015/all/all

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

hate to see the nits at #10. msu is killing it. golden hasn't done anything on the field yet but he can recruit.

Just put up 2015 Rankings, SEC just blows every Conference away. Penn State was in the lead most of the year in 2015 in the Top Ten, but dropped afterwards Season was over and Franklin ended up taking recruits from Pitt to keep in the Top 20.

I am going to look at some Coaches before and afterwards their first years, like Briles, Patterson, Dantonio, Graham, CoachRod, Franklin, Holgrosen, Kelly, etc later.

 

[pittdan77]

What Duke is doing is amazing. Proof that it can be done here too.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I put in 2 to 3 years Recruiting Rankings before the Coaches took over and what some might have done elsewhere before they arrived at the program they are recruiting today. After that I listed what Rankings happen they came that year. Even though they may have been appointed in 2011 and before they coached one game, they still recruiting for that Program that year. So, I just listed the following years before and after they came to avoid such confusion.

PITT:
When any fair-minded Football Fan considers all the PITT Coaching Changes, Recruiting Class Losses due to ACC Raid Expansion in 2003, Pederson's Poison return, actually PITT Recruiting in the Top 50 and winning in the Top 45, did not look that bad. Pederson not being able to have another Head coach in waiting before firing the old one both at Pitt and Nebraska and Pitt again, didn't help much. Moreover, few good coaches wanted to work under Pederson so Pitt took months and lost recruits due to Pederson's Poison, as I term it! Yet, Coach Pat taking over last year's recruiting with Chryst taking some Pitt recruits with him to Wisky and Franklin grabbing some at the end, hurt too. Untested and first year Coach Pat & Staff are still getting their feet wet, Pitt still has so little done and so much to do?
2002: 39 Walt Harris
2003: 34
2004: 74 ACC Raid Fallout
2005: 38 Dave Wannstedt Era
2006: 21
2007: 26
2008: 28
2009: 47
2010: 33
2011: 59 Pederson Haywood-Graham Debacle
2012: 47 Pederson Chryst Alvarez Head Coach Training
2013: 35 ACC First Year
2014: 44
2015: 66 Gallagher-Juhl Pat Narduzzi Innovation
2016: 66
WIN RANK 42 PITT 0.567% 93-71 2002-2014
Coach Narduzzi First Year No Losses!

WVU:
WVU actually won more games even with lower recruiting rankings than Pitt and Penn State? Mush of this was due to CoachRod superb coaching and later some NCAA Sanctions for breaking Practice Rules beyond the 20 hour student athlete work week rules? Dana Holgrosen inherited a pretty good Team and won 10 games with it
2002: 37 Rich Rodriguez Era
2003: 46
2004: 63 ACC Raid Fallout
2005: 31
2006: 56
2007: 23 Bill Stewart Era
2008: 42
2009: 27
2010: 27
2011: 47 Dana Holgrosen Era
2012: 48 Big-12 First Year
2013: 25
2014: 45 Out Of Luck!
2015: 33
2016: 33
WIN RANK 17 West Virginia 0.680% 113-53 2002-2014
Holgrosen Win Rank WVU 0.577% 26-19

PENN STATE
2002: 21 (PSU Cover-Up Begins)
2003: 93
2004: 29
2005: 25
2006: 6
2007: 24
2008: 43
2009: 24
2010: 12
2011: 35 Paterno Fired & Non-Compliance History
2012: 51 O'Brien Era & NCAA Sanctions
2013: 43
2014: 24 James Franklin Era Sanctions Reduced
2015: 15
2016: 10
WIN RANK 24 Penn State 0.63975 103-58 2002-2014
Franklin Win Rank 58 Penn State 0.538% 7-6 2014

VANDERBILT:
Say what you want about Fast Jimmy, but he recruited at Vanderbilt and is not afraid to raid other Programs as he did by taking Vanderbilt, Rutgers, and Pitt Commits and after losing a few De-commits too. Vanderbilt has returned to lower Recruiting rankings since Franklin left too! Just looking at the 2 years before he took over the Commodore's Ship shows he can sell himself, his program, and win too!
2009: 71
2010: 61
2011: 71 James Franklin Era
2012: 29
2013: 19
WIN RANK 40 Vanderbilt 0.615% 24-15 2011-13

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

MSU:
Few knew but Coach Dantonio did inherit some pretty good recruits and Top 30 Recruiting Ranking Teams. He won early with them and took a dip but has developed his own MSU Spartan Winning System just as Alvarez did at Wisconsin. Coach Dantonio is now recruiting in the Top 25 almost every year. In any event, the good news is Coach Dantonio did it with coach Narduzzi by his side and in charge of the Defense. The bad news Coach Narduzzi does not have Coach Dantonio by his side anymore either, so PITT and MSU Fans shall see? The only thing I fear is if Urban Meyer's ever leaves OSU, because Dantonio that grew up in Columbus could go back to OSU, and that could mean Coach Pat could return to MSU. This is just my fear, I think Coach Pat wills aty at Pitt a long time once and if he can establish a Program the same that happen at Wisky & MSU?
2004: 15
2005: 35
2006: 33 Mark Dantonio Era
2007: 42
2008: 47
2009: 17
2010: 30
2011: 31
2012: 41
2013: 40
2014: 22
2015: 22
2016: 5
WIN RANK 13 0.707% 75-31

ARIZONA:
I always respected CoachRod as a Head Coach because of how he won under his system of teaching Linemen to get run over slowly and losing 13-9! In any event, I did not include CoachRod's Michigan Years, but at UA, he is winning while not recruiting in the Top 25 just like he did at WVU, but not Michigan? At Michigan, he recruited in the Top 25 but did not win there?
2010: 37
2011: 56
2012: 46 Coach Rodriguez Era
2013: 37
2014: 28
2015: 41
2016: 48
WIN RANK 32 Arizona 0.650% 26-14

ARIZONA STATE:
Coach Toad did not have a bad group of players when he took over after Texting his Pitt Players high and dry, while making sure Pederson was not there? In any event, he is recruiting and winning at ASU in the Top 25! GraHAM has just a penny for his thoughts as well.
2009: 30
2010: 35
2011: 58
2012: 38 Toad GraHAM Era
2013: 34
2014: 21
2015: 20
2016: 42
WIN RANK 24 ASU 0.700% 28-12

BAYLOR:
Coach Art Briles recruits in the Top 40 but wins in the Top 30 and lately Top 10! When you consider he did it at Baylor known to be a Bottom Feeder in Football for years, it is more amazing.
2006: 68
2007: 64
2008: 51 Art Briles Era
2009: 55
2010: 39
2011: 46
2012: 45
2013: 31
2014: 35
2015: 43
2016: 27
WIN RANK 34 Baylor 0.618% 55-44

STANFORD:
Harbaugh did not inherit much at Stanford after Walt Harris, that was too forlorn to win at Stanford either. Yet, Harbaugh brought them back to winning and did start recruiting in the Top 25 until he left for the NFL.
2005: 41
2006: 54
2007: 51 Harbaugh Era
2008: 50
2009: 20
2010: 26
2011-14 NFL 49'ERS
WIN RANK 46 Stanford 0.580% 29-21

MICHIGAN:
Well, if Franklin wants to see how not 1 but 2 Michigan Coaches recruited in the Top 10, but did not win in the Big & Top Ten, look to Michigan from 2008 to 2014. Michigan played a tough schedule unlike what Franklin is doing with lightweights to pad his wins. Nonetheless, Franklin also needs to watch out for Jim Harbaugh now that he is back at Michigan. The reason is that Harbaugh recruited only in the Top 20-40s at Stadford, and still came up with well coached winning Teams that beat USC Talent. At Michigan, expect even more from Harbaugh and Alumnus!
2006: 13
2007: 12 Carr Last Year
2008: 10 Rich Rodriguez Era
2009: 8
2010: 20
2011: 21 Brady Hoke Era
2012: 7
2013: 5
2014: 31
2015: 50 Jim Harbaugh Era
2016: 6

UCLA:
UCLA's Head Coach Mora inherited a pretty good group of Recruits and then went out and recruited even better players for his Bruins Teams. Coach Mora proves he can recruit and win! Just look at his numbers and understand he competes and recruits against and with USC? UCLA ia an Urban University too, and a Top 25 Recruiting with Top 2o Winning, gives hope to Pitt Fans?
2008: 13
2009: 14
2010: 8
2011: 45 Jim E. Mora Era
2012: 13
2013: 8
2014: 18
2015: 13
2016: 12
WIN RANK 19 UCLA 0.725% 29-11

NOTRE DAME:
Brian Kelly has recruited in the Top Ten but does not win in the Top Ten except for 1 or 2 years. Still, Notre Dame does the opposite of Penn State's Franklin, they love playing tough schedules.
2007: 7
2008: 2
2009: 21
2010: 14 Brain Kelly Era
2011: 10
2012: 20
2013: 3
2014: 11
2015: 11
2016: 31
WIN RANK 21 Notre Damet 0.692% 45-20 2010-14

DUKE:
Well, talk about a Coach that has not seen his Recruiting above Top 50 until this year, but in the last 3 years actually wins in the top 40. It is Duke's Cutcliffe, and he just can flat out coach anybody on any Team? Of course it helps when a Dumbo on the other sideline, is learning how to coach by making stupid calls, and thinking losing 3 games every year to bad Special Teams is not a problem, and then goes back to Wisconsin where he can live off of his former Mentor, for Chryst Sakes???
2005: 46
2006: 56
2007: 79
2008: 65 Coach David Cutcliffe Era
2009: 51
2010: 72
2011: 77
2012: 52
2013: 68

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

TCU PATTERSON
This guy just knows how to coach no matter what level of recruits he takes, but he has done a remarkable job at TCU, going from the High 80s in Recruiting to Top 30-50 and still winning in the Top Ten the last 13 years!
2002: 80
2003: 69
2004: 89
2005: 54
2006: 60
2007: 81
2008: 97
2009: 46
2010: 46
2011: 26
2012: 38
2013: 30
2014: 50
2015: 34
2016: 23
WIN RANK 6 0.768% 126-38 2002-14

WISCONSIN ALVAREZ SYSTEM:
In the 1980s, Barry Alvarez that went to Nebraska and was from Pittburgh wanted the Pitt Head Coaching job, but Pitt Chancellor was too dumb to hire him. Wisconsin did, and Barry has turned out to be a Great Head Coach and Athletic Director. All he does is hire coaches that can win under his system with recruiting Classes seldom to none in the Top 25? Wisconsin the last 15 years has tehs econd best record in the Big ten only behind Ohio State! enough said, and Barry not only rebuilt the Wisconsin Football Program, but brought back high attendance, revenues, and never blamed one fan? If Pitt had hired Barry way back when, Pitt would have never hired Steve Pederson and over 8 coaches and saved millions from buyouts!
2002: 50
2003: 40
2004: 60
2005: 33 Alvarez Last Year 1990-2005
2006: 40 Brett Bielema Era
2007: 34
2008: 41
2009: 43
2010: 88
2011: 40
2012: 57
2013: 57 Gary Andersen Era
2014: 33
2015: 37 Paul Chryst Era
2016: 30
WIN RANK 28 0.615% 118-73-4 Alvarez Era
WIN RANK 11 Wisconsin 0.709% 122-50 2002-2014

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

The trend is not very surprising. However, as far as how it relates to Pitt specifically, as well as a number of other schools with low numbers of recruits committed in mid-summer; it is fairly irrelevant. When Pitt and those others have close to their full compliment of recruits committed (probably not before December or even early January); I will take an interest in where Pitt's class fits in the overall recruiting hierarchy. Right now, I could care less--its way too early for any but the big name programs to have large numbers of commitments; and numbers have a huge effect (greater than stars) on these ratings.

i don't know if Pitt will eventually wind up higher than #66. However, I will be surprised if we don't wind up with a class averaging 3.00 stars or higher on signing day in February. How high it will actually be ranked, however will depend more on the numbers than the average stars. If we only have room for, say, 15-17 ships we won't be ranked very high due to the low numbers. However, if we shuffle the deck and see a class that would be in the top 30-35 if it had 25 commits (vs 15-17), we should be happy with the class. After all, in the end, overall roster talent level depends on average stars arriving with each recruiting class and not on the number of recruits in each class.

 

[vegasgreed]

dc - its almost impossible for a p5 school to have average star ranking of less than 3.00 stars. you get 2 stars just by filling in your name.

the coaches created this whole 412 crew thing....they need to close the high end 412 guys.