Rumors about Oregon State interest in Barnes
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How quickly they forget Mike Haywood . . .
The number one priority for every athletic director everywhere is to fundraise.
Barnes's predecessor failed to appreciate that fact and thought he was a general manager, rather than an athletic director. He would get involved in things like what types of systems coaches were running and who was getting playing time.
That's an egregious abdication of his responsibilities.
Still, I would tolerate that arrogance if fundraising was going well. However, our fundraising wasn't doing well at all. In fact, it was an unmitigated disaster.
... and yet we just kept giving the guy raises.
Unreal.
As for the bolded portion above, to me, that is good news because it means the money is there. The Pitt athletic department now needs to figure out how to get it.
I have an idea. How about we try not pissing off the fans for a little bit but stripping them of all of their traditions?
How about we try giving them what they want for a change?
How about we spend a little extra money upfront to help these programs win so that the fans can then donate to the program to sustain that success?
People say that it's all the fans fault and that is not part of our culture to donate. That's ridiculous – absolutely ridiculous!
You have to hire people who know how to go out and get their money. There are people all over the country that specialize in that skill.
Maybe we will never be able to compete with Clemson in that regard – in fact we won't be. However, we should absolutely be competitive with the other urban schools in our league like Georgia Tech, Miami, Boston College, etc. In fact, we should probably be ahead of those schools on the donations front.
However, what do you don't see at those schools is a ban on calling the school Georgia Tech in favor of the more formal Georgia Institute of Technology. You don't see Boston College changing its colors to fire engine red and neon yellow. You don't see anyone telling Miami fans to quit calling their school "The U."
We did comparable things to all of those examples – plus we tore down their stadium – then we turned around and blamed them for not seeing our brilliance and contributing to the program.
Seriously, WTF?!
="Panther Parrothead, post: 1592689, member: 240"]In an indirect way, you kind of proved my point. Eventually, Clemson DID increase their student fees for athletics. And yes, he DID get the decision-makers to approve the purchase of the plane. Their fans will spend whatever it takes to improve their football team. If he was at Pitt, he'd still be waiting for the increase in student fees and the purchase of the plane.
Maybe and maybe not you don't know that for sure that is your speculation. All I know he hired Johnson that has done well at GT with just a few 4 & 5 Recruits but gives good games to teams and coaches that have far more talent and has been there over 15 years.
In the South, people are more willing to spend money on athletic (read: football) endeavors.
Really, so Barnes goes south and uses Pitt Money to retain a consultant to acquire a Southern Basketball Coach that was going to be fired and Barnes brought him to Pitt because he is Former Boss Client that did the deal too? Is Pitt a Southern School since that is what Barbes did???? Thank you for making my point!
Oh by the way, TCU is a Southern School too, they got Dumbo Barnes and his Famous Former Boss Consultant Failed AD at 4 Schools, to take less of a Dixon Buyout on a Coach they badly wanted just so Barnes's Former Boss could have a job at Pitt before he was fired at Vandy?? Vandy a Southern School says Thank You too in saving them money by having Pitt spending more Pitt money, that is not a southern Schools?
Barnes used Pitt Money to pay Southern Consultants by the way too?
(You'd undoubtably get a Clemson-type response in Central PA, where they proved that football is even more important that the welfare of children.)
Clemson Football has done well in Coaching and Recruiting without the scandals so far! we will see how well, when Pitt plays them later?
But at Pitt, it just doesn't work that way.
Well, maybe Pitt should hire People taht make it works a better way, than the embarrassment of how Barnes handled the Dixon Buyout Exit to Southern TCU, and Hiring the Southern Vanderbilt Near Firing Stalling set up by his Former Boss that Hired Barnes that was outwitted by three Southerns that saved money by having Pitt not taking money it was owed, and another Southern that was going be to available anyway but Barnes spent Pitt Money to get a Coaching Has Been that treated his Players like crap, just to make sure his Southern Friend Former Boss got a big day as a Consultant for his Southern Stallings????????
Barnes was stupid and is still stupid in the way he spent Northern Money and gave away away Northern Money for Southerns that took it, saved it, and ran rings around this Dumb Jock from out west?
Hope he goes home and Pitt can find better! The Jeter Family may feel that way too!
Maybe and maybe not you don't know that for sure that is your speculation. All I know he hired Johnson that has done well at GT with just a few 4 & 5 Recruits but gives good games to teams and coaches that have far more talent and has been there over 15 years.
In the South, people are more willing to spend money on athletic (read: football) endeavors.
Really, so Barnes goes south and uses Pitt Money to retain a consultant to acquire a Southern Basketball Coach that was going to be fired and Barnes brought him to Pitt because he is Former Boss Client that did the deal too? Is Pitt a Southern School since that is what Barbes did???? Thank you for making my point!
Oh by the way, TCU is a Southern School too, they got Dumbo Barnes and his Famous Former Boss Consultant Failed AD at 4 Schools, to take less of a Dixon Buyout on a Coach they badly wanted just so Barnes's Former Boss could have a job at Pitt before he was fired at Vandy?? Vandy a Southern School says Thank You too in saving them money by having Pitt spending more Pitt money, that is not a southern Schools?
Barnes used Pitt Money to pay Southern Consultants by the way too?
(You'd undoubtably get a Clemson-type response in Central PA, where they proved that football is even more important that the welfare of children.)
Clemson Football has done well in Coaching and Recruiting without the scandals so far! we will see how well, when Pitt plays them later?
But at Pitt, it just doesn't work that way.
Well, maybe Pitt should hire People taht make it works a better way, than the embarrassment of how Barnes handled the Dixon Buyout Exit to Southern TCU, and Hiring the Southern Vanderbilt Near Firing Stalling set up by his Former Boss that Hired Barnes that was outwitted by three Southerns that saved money by having Pitt not taking money it was owed, and another Southern that was going be to available anyway but Barnes spent Pitt Money to get a Coaching Has Been that treated his Players like crap, just to make sure his Southern Friend Former Boss got a big day as a Consultant for his Southern Stallings????????
Barnes was stupid and is still stupid in the way he spent Northern Money and gave away away Northern Money for Southerns that took it, saved it, and ran rings around this Dumb Jock from out west?
Hope he goes home and Pitt can find better! The Jeter Family may feel that way too!
It's not hard to understand how to get people to spend money. When people are having a good time...they'll spend money without thinking about it. When people are not and feel they are being forced to spend money...they are less likely to give.
It's not hard to translate that into athletics... Win and give fans the tradition and experience they believe they deserve. Doesn't matter if they deserve it or not, you have to play to their minds.
It's not hard to translate that into athletics... Win and give fans the tradition and experience they believe they deserve. Doesn't matter if they deserve it or not, you have to play to their minds.
"Dr. von Yinzer, post: 1592721, member: 3314"]The number one priority for every athletic director everywhere is to fundraise.
Barnes's predecessor failed to appreciate that fact and thought he was a general manager, rather than an athletic director. He would get involved in things like what types of systems coaches were running and who was getting playing time.
That's an egregious abdication of his responsibilities. Still, I would tolerate that arrogance if fundraising was going well. However, our fundraising wasn't doing well at all. In fact, it was an unmitigated disaster.... and yet we just kept giving the guy raises. Unreal.
Yep, the Old Pitt Way!
As for the bolded portion above, to me, that is good news because it means the money is there. The Pitt athletic department now needs to figure out how to get it.
Agree & Disagree a tad, Pitt needs how to spend it properly as well as get more of it too. The way Barnes did that with Dixon Buyout taking less did not get it, and the way he hired Stallings Timing was misspent, and paying a his Former Boss Consultants that came up with Pitt losing and Spending more money did neither for Pitt, but was Great for Vandy, TCU, and the Consultant! Not PITT!
Why give any money to a stupid AD like that to misspend again?
I have an idea. How about we try not pissing off the fans for a little bit but stripping them of all of their traditions? How about we try giving them what they want for a change?
Anyone could see that except Pederson and Barnes was no genius figuring that out either. No Consultants needed to see how Pederson mismanaged them too with misspending Pitt Money? There are people out there that earn $800,000 a Year and do their job without Consultants that Pederson and now Barnes spent on that failed to do Due Diligence on Haywood and GraHAM and figure out Stallings was going to be available anyhow?
How about we spend a little extra money upfront to help these programs win so that the fans can then donate to the program to sustain that success?
Yep, how about telling Barnes that the Money that went to his Former Boss Consultant Fee from his own salary and see if that would have happen after that way?
People say that it's all the fans fault and that is not part of our culture to donate. That's ridiculous – absolutely ridiculous!
Yep, and many Top Boosters won't give to PITT until that changes and Barnes only took care of his Former Boss not Pitt? Gallagher has to deal with it too.
You have to hire people who know how to go out and get their money. There are people all over the country that specialize in that skill.
Barnes needs spend Pitt Money to find Consultants that know how to tell Pitt to take less for Dixon leaving and spend more for hiring a soon to be Post-Fired Stallings not even knowing what Stallings did to Jeter?
Barnes only cared about Former Boss Payday, TCU Paying Less, Vandy's saving money for their new coach, Stallings needing a job, and Barnes Himself not Pitt or Jeter? I can see why Donovan Jeter Brother rejected Pitt as well? Boosters still are too?
Maybe we will never be able to compete with Clemson in that regard – in fact we won't be. However, we should absolutely be competitive with the other urban schools in our league like Georgia Tech, Miami, Boston College, etc. In fact, we should probably be ahead of those schools on the donations front.
Well, I have my own ideas on how to do that too........Get one of Pitt's competitors to hire Barnes away from Pitt, or tell Barnes to go to Oregon State, or let Barnes go.
However, what do you don't see at those schools is a ban on calling the school Georgia Tech in favor of the more formal Georgia Institute of Technology. You don't see Boston College changing its colors to fire engine red and neon yellow. You don't see anyone telling Miami fans to quit calling their school "The U."
LLOL & Spot On and you don't hire an AD that hires consultants like the prior AD that did not know much about Pitt, just knew how to take Pitt Money from Pitt for their own Pockets? Consultant's get paid for all that work on changing Uniforms and Colors, Traditions, and hiring Dolts that were not fully vetted by Consultants with fin the South with conflicts of Interests as well, just like Pederson did with Atlanta Based Haywood women choker known but not to them for their $600,000 fee, and now Barnes with Charlotte Consultants?
I guess Pittsburgh that is still leading Top Headquarter Cities does not have Executive search firms????
We did comparable things to all of those examples – plus we tore down their stadium – then we turned around and blamed them for not seeing our brilliance and contributing to the program. Seriously, WTF?!
Narduzzi need better people around him and one need not go to Atlanta or Charlotte to find them when we are paying $800,000 for Dolts like Pederson and Barnes that can't attract Booster Money when they misspend Pitt Money?
Stupid is as Stupid did in Pederson did and Barnes is not Smart either!
Gallagher should learn from Nordenberg, Posvar, O'Connor and Bowman Mistakes too!
Barnes's predecessor failed to appreciate that fact and thought he was a general manager, rather than an athletic director. He would get involved in things like what types of systems coaches were running and who was getting playing time.
That's an egregious abdication of his responsibilities. Still, I would tolerate that arrogance if fundraising was going well. However, our fundraising wasn't doing well at all. In fact, it was an unmitigated disaster.... and yet we just kept giving the guy raises. Unreal.
Yep, the Old Pitt Way!
As for the bolded portion above, to me, that is good news because it means the money is there. The Pitt athletic department now needs to figure out how to get it.
Agree & Disagree a tad, Pitt needs how to spend it properly as well as get more of it too. The way Barnes did that with Dixon Buyout taking less did not get it, and the way he hired Stallings Timing was misspent, and paying a his Former Boss Consultants that came up with Pitt losing and Spending more money did neither for Pitt, but was Great for Vandy, TCU, and the Consultant! Not PITT!
Why give any money to a stupid AD like that to misspend again?
I have an idea. How about we try not pissing off the fans for a little bit but stripping them of all of their traditions? How about we try giving them what they want for a change?
Anyone could see that except Pederson and Barnes was no genius figuring that out either. No Consultants needed to see how Pederson mismanaged them too with misspending Pitt Money? There are people out there that earn $800,000 a Year and do their job without Consultants that Pederson and now Barnes spent on that failed to do Due Diligence on Haywood and GraHAM and figure out Stallings was going to be available anyhow?
How about we spend a little extra money upfront to help these programs win so that the fans can then donate to the program to sustain that success?
Yep, how about telling Barnes that the Money that went to his Former Boss Consultant Fee from his own salary and see if that would have happen after that way?
People say that it's all the fans fault and that is not part of our culture to donate. That's ridiculous – absolutely ridiculous!
Yep, and many Top Boosters won't give to PITT until that changes and Barnes only took care of his Former Boss not Pitt? Gallagher has to deal with it too.
You have to hire people who know how to go out and get their money. There are people all over the country that specialize in that skill.
Barnes needs spend Pitt Money to find Consultants that know how to tell Pitt to take less for Dixon leaving and spend more for hiring a soon to be Post-Fired Stallings not even knowing what Stallings did to Jeter?
Barnes only cared about Former Boss Payday, TCU Paying Less, Vandy's saving money for their new coach, Stallings needing a job, and Barnes Himself not Pitt or Jeter? I can see why Donovan Jeter Brother rejected Pitt as well? Boosters still are too?
Maybe we will never be able to compete with Clemson in that regard – in fact we won't be. However, we should absolutely be competitive with the other urban schools in our league like Georgia Tech, Miami, Boston College, etc. In fact, we should probably be ahead of those schools on the donations front.
Well, I have my own ideas on how to do that too........Get one of Pitt's competitors to hire Barnes away from Pitt, or tell Barnes to go to Oregon State, or let Barnes go.
However, what do you don't see at those schools is a ban on calling the school Georgia Tech in favor of the more formal Georgia Institute of Technology. You don't see Boston College changing its colors to fire engine red and neon yellow. You don't see anyone telling Miami fans to quit calling their school "The U."
LLOL & Spot On and you don't hire an AD that hires consultants like the prior AD that did not know much about Pitt, just knew how to take Pitt Money from Pitt for their own Pockets? Consultant's get paid for all that work on changing Uniforms and Colors, Traditions, and hiring Dolts that were not fully vetted by Consultants with fin the South with conflicts of Interests as well, just like Pederson did with Atlanta Based Haywood women choker known but not to them for their $600,000 fee, and now Barnes with Charlotte Consultants?
I guess Pittsburgh that is still leading Top Headquarter Cities does not have Executive search firms????
We did comparable things to all of those examples – plus we tore down their stadium – then we turned around and blamed them for not seeing our brilliance and contributing to the program. Seriously, WTF?!
Narduzzi need better people around him and one need not go to Atlanta or Charlotte to find them when we are paying $800,000 for Dolts like Pederson and Barnes that can't attract Booster Money when they misspend Pitt Money?
Stupid is as Stupid did in Pederson did and Barnes is not Smart either!
Gallagher should learn from Nordenberg, Posvar, O'Connor and Bowman Mistakes too!
Yep, the one that approved the hiring of Narduzzi by Dr. Juhl Committee or the one that hired and approve of Barnes' handling of Dixon Ouster and Stallings Hiring with Consultants full of Conflicts of Interests that can be grounds for firing Barnes anyway for his old Boss's Pockets and his Clients like Vandy and Stallings???
This. Barnes was born in Spokane and his entire resume is west coast.
True. But then again how many Pitt fans are supporting the school with donations? My guess is down south they do and up here everybody bitches but then doesn't help out.
Good send him back there.... Pitt needs to find People that know the region mentality and want to be and stay at Pitt not...come to go somewhere else because he was stuck in Utah and needs his old Boss to bail him out on what to do when he is paid to do it?
They need him at Oregon State, take him back and pay for Barnes Buyout!!
I personally think administrators are a dime a dozen as long as you don't do stupid shit like not look beyond the clown you hired previously so I'm okay with it. I don't think you make a lot of friends by telling your fanbase to go and root for someone else if you don't like what he's doing. I think our best bet would be to hire someone from a TCU or Houston that understands being the small fish in a pro market and prospering anyways.
“The fans’ reactions, we are going to be above the noise,” Barnes said. “If you are not impressed with him, you are maybe not in the right spot."
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...ll-coach-Kevin-Stallings/stories/201603280129
Only a bit. I know that Pitt's coffers weren't overwhelmed with contributions back when Pitt was winning big.
Compared to peer schools, that's not true either. It's better than it was 20+ years ago, but still lags.
Look, the bottom line is that Barnes has a vision and strategy that he's trying to implement in Pitt's athletic department. That strategy is just getting off the ground. Whether one agrees with every thing he's done, a change in athletic leadership at this point would not benefit Pitt. Stability is important in the AD's office too.
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Oh Jesus Christ already.... Unbelievable.... Anyone offended by that might want to grow up just a tad.... Keep in mind this came after the stupid Pgh media onslaught..."come clean!!".....
It's not a matter of being offended. It's a matter of the school's top ranking athletic administrator not saying some that could be interpreted as inflammatory. If Cheesy Steve had said that people here would want him strung up.
Really? What point did he have? What's Stallings won yet? You don't tell the people writing you checks "If you don't like it, leave." It's ignorant. If the CEO of Buick told people go buy Toyotas if you don't like our cars, guess what would happen.
Normally when you quote, you use their exact words. And every moron on twitter that the writer was speaking of doesn't write Pitt checks.
Stallings has won the SEC tourny, SEC coach of the year twice, and the MVC multiple times while he was there. The people who were and still are butt hurt that Pitt got rid of Dean Smith need to grow up and move on.
Sorry, he enriched his Former Boss at Pitt Expense, WVU got its full share of CoachRod's Buyout from Michigan, Barnes under Cut Dixon Buyout for Pitt, that was OK until all learned it was Buyout his Former Boss Clients that were going to fire Stallings anyway.
No one deserves that kind of misjudgment and money wasting deals for a Consultants benefit at Pitt Expenses. Barnes blew it and did it with Pitt Money, why give him more to do it again?
Enjoy the Headlines and explain why University Of Pittsburgh name is on the Headline and who is responsible for it? I guess this is Pitt's Hiring with Dishonor establish by the Nordenberg Pederson Tradition?????? Good to see it is being kept alive when Bama has 30 Recruiting Staffers???? Finding Recruits not Consultant's Old Coaches that was going to be fired????
Univ. Of Pittsburgh's Use Of Search Firm Raises Questions About Conflict Of Interest
North Carolina-based Collegiate Sports Associates is led by Todd Turner, who was was Washington AD when Barnes was the school's Senior Associate AD from '05-08. Turner also was Vanderbilt AD in '99 when the school hired Stallings. Barnes also used Collegiate Sports Associates "to conduct searches" when he was Utah State AD. Turner also helped Pitt find new Deputy AD/Athletic Affairs Julio Freire.
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2016/03/29/Colleges/Pitt.aspx
Why pay Barnes $800,000 when all Barnes does is make a Phone Call, just retain Todd Turner that was fired from 4 schools as AD, better yet, just get rid of Pitt Personnel Department.
How many Recruiting Staff Vacancies can Pitt Fill without paying these Conflict of Interests Chubs and Bums, why not reduce Barnes's Salary in direct reduction that he pays for Consultants? maybe Pitt should hire consultants on US News Rankings with that money so they can boost Pitt Rankings?
Hey maybe we can have Barnes Pitt Money go to Toad Turner to remove ACC Refs that can't call Penalties against UNC, why not Toad Turner bribe them like the Academics at UNC??? Let's get something back from Booster Money?
Why not tell Boosters to send Their Pitt Money to Todd Turner since he ends up with it anyway? Barnes trying to get money for Pitt will come from Narduzzi Wins not from his former Boss in North Carolina.
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LOL. He won the SEC tournament so long ago Wlat was still our football coach. Maybe we should have hired Gene Keady. He made the elite eight a couple of times. Or Rollie Massamino.
Do you have a job? If you do, are they still letting you coast on accomplishments you earned over a decade ago or are they actually demanding you excel now too?
Was there any way for Stallings to have won something? ( at Pitt) No.... Did Dixon want to leave anyway? Yes... Was there any real non conspiracy based reason to doubt Barnes? No ...Had Barnes to that point done anything to deserve such an obnoxious response from local media ( half which have the goal of knocking everything Pitt at every chance anyway)? No.... He had a point for an overly reactionary media knee jerk and message board fans who could not seem to comprehend Dixon was leaving... Period. This is not a knock on Dixon or Stallings either... We don't know what we don't know ... But we DO know the media acts like a bunch of Jr high kids much of the time .... Plenty to point to there.
You sound like a Trump supporter blaming the media. Yes, it was The Media who caused Pederson to fire Wannstedt with no true replacement plan. Yes, it was the Media that made Mike Heywood go Ike Turner on New Years Eve. Yes, it was the media that made Godd Graham leave after one season. It was the media which caused Pitt to burn down not one but two recruiting classes in the process because of the previous three things. Pitt has done plenty of stupid shit for the better part of 30 years to give the press ammunition. And the fan base has every right to wonder why a 55-year-old retread is supposed to be an upgrade over the previous 50-something-year-old coach.
This should not have been allowed even if it was legitimate. Looks very bad and adds up to stealing.
There you go, you found a chance to mention Trump negatively. I am guessing it was burning at you to find the opening to do it.
I guess someone could just as easily say, "you sound like an Obama supporter" or "you sound like a Bush supporter"or "you sound like a Clinton supporter" or "you sound like a Mao supporter" or "you sound like a Ron Paul supporter." Such a stupid reference and you are stupid for making it.
This why Pitt should fire Barnes on Conflict Interests Policies that cover Trustees and Administrators and Barnes could go work for Toad Turner's Group, maybe they can hire Steve Pederson so Pitt can retain him too? Maybe a Booster should pay for an Forensic Investigation into Pitt Budgets and Athletics to see what they find?
Maybe the Auditor General needs to look at this or New AG?
It smells, is wrong, and makes Pitt stink not to say a waste of resources too?
Big difference is none of those you mention use the media as a punching bag. You now look dumb. Try thinking next time.
New Pitt Fundraising Motto,
"Give Pitt Money So Barnes Can Give It To His Old Boss!"
TCU Gets An Alumnus In Jamie Dixon, Vanderbilt Gets Bryce Drew, And Pitt Gets Fired Vanderbilt's AD Todd Turner's Retread Kevin Stallings?
No Wonder Jeter Chose Notre Dame?
"Give Pitt Money So Barnes Can Give It To His Old Boss!"
TCU Gets An Alumnus In Jamie Dixon, Vanderbilt Gets Bryce Drew, And Pitt Gets Fired Vanderbilt's AD Todd Turner's Retread Kevin Stallings?
No Wonder Jeter Chose Notre Dame?
Oh and prove anything I said wrong. Pitt brings this on themselves. I guess it was the media's fault the Peterson Center came in waaaaay over budget. All those reporters and editors went up to the build site and stole rivets and 2x4s I guess.
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