Scott Barnes

[levance2]

And don't say, "I haven't accepted the job." a week ago and be in negotiations. Either don't comment or be honest about the issues (you don't have to say who or how bad) that are pushing possible changes.

Exactly. He could have said, "An erroneous report has circulated that I have accepted this position. Due to a private family matter, I am currently discussing the opening with both Pitt and Oregon State to come to the best decision possible for all parties."

Simple.

 

[PITTLAW]

Exactly. He could have said, "An erroneous report has circulated that I have accepted this position. Due to a private family matter, I am currently discussing the opening with both Pitt and Oregon State to come to the best decision possible for all parties."

Simple.

Ever consider that he [Barnes] has already discussed the situation with Pitt and everyone has decided to follow a certain course of conduct which is in the best interests of all? Whether he stays or goes, Pitt will be just fine. I think to date, Barnes has done a pretty good job...so I hope he stays. But should he go, the athletic department is in better shape than when he arrived and will give the next person a bit of momentum to continue building back all athletic programs. Hail to Pitt!

 

[Jpripper88]

Ever consider that he [Barnes] has already discussed the situation with Pitt and everyone has decided to follow a certain course of conduct which is in the best interests of all? Whether he stays or goes, Pitt will be just fine. I think to date, Barnes has done a pretty good job...so I hope he stays. But should he go, the athletic department is in better shape than when he arrived and will give the next person a bit of momentum to continue building back all athletic programs. Hail to Pitt!

I do think that position shapes a lot of the discussion. I happen to think Barnes has essentially done one impactful thing at Pitt and that is have Dixon leave/be fired and hire a buddy's search firm that basically only focused on and hired Kevin Stallings. If you think that was indicative of him doing a pretty good job, you probably don't even care if the medical issue is a real motivator (obviously I think it is a secondary reason, at best, if true) for him to look to leave Pitt after 18 months. If you think that move essentially relegated Pitt basketball to mediocrity or worse for the next 5+ years, you probably aren't real happy with him running after that situation, no matter the reason.

 

[Panthergrowl13]

One additional coincidence regarding the Barnes/Oregon State situation.

A move to Oregon State would reunite Barnes with football coach Gary Anderson, who was football coach at Utah State during Barnes' tenure.

Stay tuned for more.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[PITTLAW]

I do think that position shapes a lot of the discussion. I happen to think Barnes has essentially done one impactful thing at Pitt and that is have Dixon leave/be fired and hire a buddy's search firm that basically only focused on and hired Kevin Stallings. If you think that was indicative of him doing a pretty good job, you probably don't even care if the medical issue is a real motivator (obviously I think it is a secondary reason, at best, if true) for him to look to leave Pitt after 18 months. If you think that move essentially relegated Pitt basketball to mediocrity or worse for the next 5+ years, you probably aren't real happy with him running after that situation, no matter the reason.

I guess I am of a view that it matters ZERO why you leave a job, merely that you left. So whatever reason is stated for public consumption is just that. I have seen very little credible evidence that Barnes had anything to do with Dixon's departure...other than he did not attempt to up the money to keep Dixon. Based upon the past few seasons of Pitt basketball, there was certainly no reason to up Dixon's compensation--especially considering the length of the deal he had signed. You may recall, Dixon played stocking horse with Pitt several times to enrich his contract...this time, it did not work. As for Stallings, it seems beyond unreasonable to draw any conclusions on the hire until after he has signed a couple of classes and we see what a Stallings team at Pitt looks and plays like. For now, you are watching a Dixon team being coached by someone else. To date in reviewing the non-conference part of the schedule results--I'd say that the won/loss record is precisely where most people thought it would be, regardless of who was coaching the team.

Being the AD at Pitt is a really tough job. Resources and fundraising started in such a huge hole...that it is going to take miracles to climb from. Beyond that, building and enlarging the fan base is of critical importance--again, a major challenge. I believe that Barnes was taking some small steps in the right direction...so whether he stays to attempt to complete the job...or passes the position to another...Pitt is trending in the right direction. Hail to Pitt!

 

[vegasgreed]

Pittlaw, my money is on him being gone.

 

[Piranha]

Officially hired at Oregon St

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

You may recall, Dixon played stocking horse with Pitt several times to enrich his contract...this time, it did not work.

You know full well that isn't what happened this time.

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Went to the Oregon State Board to read their Press Release.

No mention of family issues..

Barnes saying he will hit the ground running.

As with a Head Football Coach, Pitt needs to get a good AD who will commit long term to Pitt Athletics.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

If that was the reason, he would be gone. The rumored claim is a medical problem with his family. A medical problem that would be better treated in Corvalis than Pittsburgh? A medical problem that isn't serious enough for him to actually just leave Pitt and go where he needs to? A medical problem that would require him to leave Pitt's AD position, but still fulfill the needs of the Oregon State AD position?

I don't buy it. Even if there is some medical issue, it sure doesn't seem important enough to drive the decision.

Correct.
It's an easy narrative, nothing more

 

[vegasgreed]

He wanted out. He's been trying hard for a PAC 12 job.

Went to the Oregon State Board to read their Press Release.

No mention of family issues..

Barnes saying he will hit the ground running.

As with a Head Football Coach, Pitt needs to get a good AD who will commit long term to Pitt Athletics.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Ever consider that he [Barnes] has already discussed the situation with Pitt and everyone has decided to follow a certain course of conduct which is in the best interests of all? Whether he stays or goes, Pitt will be just fine. I think to date, Barnes has done a pretty good job...so I hope he stays. But should he go, the athletic department is in better shape than when he arrived and will give the next person a bit of momentum to continue building back all athletic programs. Hail to Pitt!

What is was your highlight of his
20 months??

 

[ThePanthers]

Went to the Oregon State Board to read their Press Release.

No mention of family issues..

Barnes saying he will hit the ground running.

As with a Head Football Coach, Pitt needs to get a good AD who will commit long term to Pitt Athletics.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Yet in his statement from pitt he specifically mentions it had to do with family. What that means I guess time will tell.

 

[vegasgreed]

Btw, props to Vuc and his site, first to break the story.

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Yet in his statement from pitt he specifically mentions it had to do with family. What that means I guess time will tell.

Yes but not mentioned in the Oregon State Press Release.

If that was the primary reason for leaving Pitt, you would think it should also have been mentioned at Oregon State.

By the way Scott is now VP/AD whatever that means.

Go to the Oregon State Board and read it yourself.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[levance2]

Ever consider that he [Barnes] has already discussed the situation with Pitt and everyone has decided to follow a certain course of conduct which is in the best interests of all?

Of course he had discussed it. That was my entire point. Issuing a PR that did nothing to end the rumors, and if anything, confirmed them, was an odd move. He could have said absolutely nothing at all, if he was so concerned about keeping his process private.

I really don't care to ever know his personal reasons for leaving. It's none of my business. I just think it's disingenuous to leak whatever the situation is to half the sports reporters in the city meanwhile say it's private and can't be disclosed. Either make it entirely public or entirely private. There's even gossip queens in this thread bragging about how they have private info and us peons shouldn't be able to hear it.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Of course he had discussed it. That was my entire point. Issuing a PR that did nothing to end the rumors, and if anything, confirmed them, was an odd move. He could have said absolutely nothing at all, if he was so concerned about keeping his process private.

I really don't care to ever know his personal reasons for leaving. It's none of my business. I just think it's disingenuous to leak whatever the situation is to half the sports reporters in the city meanwhile say it's private and can't be disclosed. Either make it entirely public or entirely private. There's even gossip queens in this thread bragging about how they have private info and us peons shouldn't be able to hear it.

It won't dawn on them, because they are so gleeful in being insiders they don't recognize they are being played

 

[Jpripper88]

He wanted a different job. He got it. There is no medical issue that drove him across the country and had him pursuing this for at least 3 months.

 

[bwh05]

He wanted a different job. He got it. There is no medical issue that drove him across the country and had him pursuing this for at least 3 months.

Believe it or not he's been pursuing jobs on the west coast for a lot longer than 3 months

 

[PittPoker]

Seriously Good Riddance. He didn't care what the fans wanted in bringing in Stallings. In fact at the press conference he was defiant. He lied or I'm sorry (misled) us and had no loyalty to Pitt whatsoever. Leaving in 2 years? Give me a break. Get lost and don't come back.

 

[ThePanthers]

Pitts baseball coach tweeted that Barnes left for personal family matters. Again who knows what that means.

Dk sports article is saying the same.

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Pitts baseball coach tweeted that Barnes left for personal family matters. Again who knows what that means.

Dk sports article is saying the same.

What does personal family matters mean. Don't really know.

His family may have just wanted to leave Pittsburgh. Again don't really know.

Hey Todd Graham left Pitt for personal family reasons.

Time to move on.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[Jpripper88]

Believe it or not he's been pursuing jobs on the west coast for a lot longer than 3 months

Oh, I certainly believe it. The "family issue" (if there is one at all) clearly didn't drive this decision. I expect he was even looking while screwing us over with his buddy's search firm and Stallings.

 

[PITTLAW]

What is was your highlight of his
20 months??

I'd say it was a combination of things. In no particular order, setting a school record for football season tickets sold for the 2016 season, selling school bowl ticket allotment two years in a row, returning to script Pitt, started to repair broken/strained relationships with many alumni and fans, small gains in fundraising and treating alumni and fans like they are valued partners. Like I said, the Pitt AD position is a very tough job, but Barnes was professional and made some gains that will benefit the next AD hired. I have no ill feelings about his short tenure. Although of course only time will tell what history will say about his one major hire. Hail to Pitt!

 

[PITTLAW]

You know full well that isn't what happened this time.

I believe you are correct. Of course if this is the case, it would be impossible to criticize Barnes or Pitt for not upping the ante to retain Dixon when he told them he was heading to TCU. Hail to Pitt!

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I believe you are correct. Of course if this is the case, it would be impossible to criticize Barnes or Pitt for not upping the ante to retain Dixon when he told them he was heading to TCU. Hail to Pitt!

I have never criticized Barnes for not offering Dixon more money to not go to TCU. He would have been insane to do that.

 

[PITTLAW]

I have never criticized Barnes for not offering Dixon more money to not go to TCU. He would have been insane to do that.

I never said that you did. But there are plenty of others that have said that repeatedly. Sometimes points are made to others when having a discussion with another. Thanks for the assist. Hail to Pitt!

 

[Panthergrowl13]

I never said that you did. But there are plenty of others that have said that repeatedly. Sometimes points are made to others when having a discussion with another. Thanks for the assist. Hail to Pitt!

I have a problem with Barnes lowering Jamies buy out for TCU.

Buy outs are put into contracts for a purpose and ignoring them is counterproductive(IMO).

I think Pitt could have used the extra money for staffing salaries at least.

This is what has been reported and I am assuming it is true.

Jamie Dixon is 11-1 so far at TCU.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[ThePanthers]

I have a problem with Barnes lowering Jamies buy out for TCU.

Buy outs are put into contracts for a purpose and ignoring them is counterproductive(IMO).

I think Pitt could have used the extra money for staffing salaries at least.

This is what has been reported and I am assuming it is true.

Jamie Dixon is 11-1 so far at TCU.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

If both sides agree to move on it is better just to move on. I had no issue with it. If it was one sided then that is a different story.

 

[HailToPitt725]

Hey, cut the man some slack. Maybe that's his dream job or maybe his wife had family out there.

 

[TD_6082]

Seriously Good Riddance. He didn't care what the fans wanted in bringing in Stallings. In fact at the press conference he was defiant. He lied or I'm sorry (misled) us and had no loyalty to Pitt whatsoever. Leaving in 2 years? Give me a break. Get lost and don't come back.

The fans wanted a Miller & that wasn't happening.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

I'd say it was a combination of things. In no particular order, setting a school record for football season tickets sold for the 2016 season, selling school bowl ticket allotment two years in a row, returning to script Pitt, started to repair broken/strained relationships with many alumni and fans, small gains in fundraising and treating alumni and fans like they are valued partners. Like I said, the Pitt AD position is a very tough job, but Barnes was professional and made some gains that will benefit the next AD hired. I have no ill feelings about his short tenure. Although of course only time will tell what history will say about his one major hire. Hail to Pitt!

So, return to script as far as controllable things and the rest an intangibles

 

[ThePanthers]

So, return to script as far as controllable things and the rest an intangibles

Intangibles can lead to bigger things.

 

[DruidTM]

Yes but not mentioned in the Oregon State Press Release.

If that was the primary reason for leaving Pitt, you would think it should also have been mentioned at Oregon State.

By the way Scott is now VP/AD whatever that means.

Go to the Oregon State Board and read it yourself.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

No...I would really NOT expect it to be mentioned at his new employer....are you kidding? Yeah set up the school and boosters and alum with the notion that ...yeah he came here as a secondary type move with the real reason being a family medical situation? No...I just would not expect that type of thing to be mentioned as a first introduction to a new school....get real

 

[Panthergrowl13]

No...I would really NOT expect it to be mentioned at his new employer....are you kidding? Yeah set up the school and boosters and alum with the notion that ...yeah he came here as a secondary type move with the real reason being a family medical situation? No...I just would not expect that type of thing to be mentioned as a first introduction to a new school....get real

LOL

Oregon State fans, alums, and Press can read the Pittsburgh information.

Facts are facts or they are not facts.

Reporters ask questions and inquire into inconsistencies.

You get real!!!!

LOL

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

COME CLEAN!

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

COME CLEAN!

A prophetic declaration

 

[thom67]

I do think that position shapes a lot of the discussion. I happen to think Barnes has essentially done one impactful thing at Pitt and that is have Dixon leave/be fired and hire a buddy's search firm that basically only focused on and hired Kevin Stallings. If you think that was indicative of him doing a pretty good job, you probably don't even care if the medical issue is a real motivator (obviously I think it is a secondary reason, at best, if true) for him to look to leave Pitt after 18 months. If you think that move essentially relegated Pitt basketball to mediocrity or worse for the next 5+ years, you probably aren't real happy with him running after that situation, no matter the reason.

How do you know who the search committee looked at before hiring Stallings? Tell us all the people that were considered or not considered and let us know how you know that they did not say that they were not interested in Pitt.

 

[bwh05]

No one zeroed in on Stallings, he was the 5th guy we approached

 

[PITTLAW]

So, return to script as far as controllable things and the rest an intangibles

Ticket sales [both bowl and season], in addition to fundraising dollars are far from intangible...they are easily quantified and objective. However, intangible things can be and are often very important. Often it is the intangibles that lead directly to quantifiable and verifiable objective results. Barnes tenure at Pitt was too short to have a major impact one way or the other--at least until we are able to measure the results of his one major hire. Hail to Pitt!