Seems like we are doing well in recruiting compared to last year--

[DC_Area_Panther]

--and are improved overall recruiting wise from a National perspective but, are we really making up any ground compared to our ACC peers? That may not be the case--

Looking at the rest of the ACC and factoring in numbers of commits per school it appears many of our peers are recruiting as well or better so far this spring for the class of 2020.

For example: Compare Pitt's #22 with--

BC with lower # of commits #34
Ga Tech #15
Louisville #26
Miami #5
UNC #9
NCst #18
Clemson #1
Fl St. #11

 

[drp1tt]

--and are improved overall recruiting wise from a National perspective but, are we really making up any ground compared to our ACC peers? That may not be the case--

Looking at the rest of the ACC and factoring in numbers of commits per school it appears many of our peers are recruiting as well or better so far this spring for the class of 2020.

For example: Compare Pitt's #22 with--

BC with lower # of commits #34
Ga Tech #15
Louisville #26
Miami #5
UNC #9
NCst #18
Clemson #1
Fl St. #11

 

[sappycrease]

Talk about buzzkill.

 

[drp1tt]

On paper that may be true. But some folks will just never be happy with how we recruit. Seems to me that we have been upgrading positions and have a good vibe and starting to get more inroads nationally. I think that is great. Others will complain because we are not recruiting enough locally. You can always spin it anyway you want. Say we end up 10th nationally but only 10th in the conference. Do you consider that great or bad?

 

[GreatBear71]

If the conference is improving as a whole, that is good. We ;make our place secure in the ACC, and the big programs like Clemson and FSU will not be tempted to try to get into the SEC

 

[str61166]

I noticed this too, the conference is recruiting like crazy. Going off 24/7 composite, Pitt is 25 overall but 8th in the ACC, and even freaking Wake and BC are breathing down their necks now at 32 and 34.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

ACC is kicking butt in recruiting as recruits realize that playing in the ACC is the right place to be.

 

[ThePanthers]

Oh christ. Try to enjoy something once.

 

[Pittski]

Job 1. - Get talent to sign.

The coaches are doing their jobs and we’re seeing results. No one knows how classes turn out until they do. I don’t think anyone can be disappointed with the results of this effort.

 

[Jeffburgh]

Meh.

Yes, other conference teams are getting it done, too.

But, on rivals, going by average stars the usual top three, Clemson is 4.11, FSU is 3.75 and Miami is 3.5:

Pitt is set in the top of the next tier (3.13 in average stars), NC is 3.16, Duke is 3.13. Duke only has 8 commits, they are probably going to dip a bit when the dust settles.

VT, BC, GT are at 3.0, NC State 2.93 ...

Louisville is "26th in rankings" with an average star ranking of 2.2 with 20 commits, people would be losing their minds if Nards had that class right now.

This is "star" based. Now, this is the same for most, but there is a LOT of room for a number of Pitt recruits to get star bumps.

Addison, Roberts, Parrish, Sellers, Denson, Kamara and Barden are sitting at 5.5, and all seem to be 5.6s minimal, a guy like Parrish could get a few bumps. All these guys have a load of major offers, and really good video.

They took a MAJOR step up from last year, which was hopefully the low point for Nards tenure.

As a class, it is about on par with Nards first full class, probably more consistent with quality. Williams might be the only guy who is a projection. Class is deep and ROCK solid.

As for the conference, it puts them at the best we can hope for at this point and time - right in the top of the group after the big three.

 

[88Pitt88]

Yesterday's haul may be the best group of players to commit to Pitt since the glory days of the late 70's and early 80's. These kids had nice offer sheets and could have pledged at many other good schools, but, they picked Pitt!

Can't we all just rejoice in a little success. After last year's class I was concerned about the Duzz and the future of this program. I have to say, with this year's efforts, my belief in Narduzzi has been reaffirmed. I mentioned before he is selling a vision. That vision is to come be a part of a brotherhood who is going to play tough and dominate the ACC Coastal. It will take time and talent. Signing kids like we got yesterday is step one in making that vision a reality. Narduzzi is the right guy for the Panthers!

 

[DiehardPanther]

The ACC Network launching in 2 months, our conference winning or playing for the national title, lots of first round draft picks, and the ability to play on the east coast are all attractive to recruits.

 

[Begbie_Nole]

Came here to see what the heck happened this weekend.. Good gets and solid offer lists.. Couple things

Pitt will be higher than 8 in the ACC at the end. My guess is that Pitt won't pass Clemson, Miami, FSU, UNC so as high as 5th. GT and Louisville are taking anyone with a pulse.. not sure the thought there... But their classes will fall fast in the fall

The question is how NC St and VT do. If they have a good season they could push Pitt to 7th..

- ACC looks good at the moment but we always come out the gate looking good as teams load up on 2-3 stars. PAC and Big12 don't start recruiting heavy until the fall

 

[gary2]

--and are improved overall recruiting wise from a National perspective but, are we really making up any ground compared to our ACC peers? That may not be the case--

Looking at the rest of the ACC and factoring in numbers of commits per school it appears many of our peers are recruiting as well or better so far this spring for the class of 2020.

For example: Compare Pitt's #22 with--

BC with lower # of commits #34
Ga Tech #15
Louisville #26
Miami #5
UNC #9
NCst #18
Clemson #1
Fl St. #11

I have never put all that much stock in recruiting rankings. I have said repeatedly on this board for both basketball and football that I trust the staff with all early signing period recruiting.

I don't like seeing late signing reaches.

This amount of recruits precludes late signing reaches.

That said, where are the offensive linemen. Last years class was not strong, this year so far there is one. With a limited number of scholarships left, how many will we take? You can't ignore any position.

This years recruiting is an improvement, but anyone thinking it even approaches the glory days needs to think again.

 

[McKee Place]

These are solid commitments that keep us at least at the same levels of our conference brethren, most of whom have recent new hires and have the advantage of the current shinier stone in the pond. We haven't fallen seriously behind and even got a couple that seemed beyond our reach (in this era where everything seems tightly locked into place as far as star levels and the level of schools they'll consider).

It's a relief of sorts in that college sports recruiting has never seemed as unseemly as it has in the last couple years or more. The payola and shenanigans of the blue bloods have never been more overt, the laissez-fare of the sleazy NCAA never more evident.

If all these and a few more of quality end up actually signing, it's a positive sign. Or at least stems the downward drift that we appeared unable to halt.

The questions of "how is being done?" Are interesting. Are we loosening the sticks in the butts as far as recruiting schemes? Id say "nay" (nod to the late John Pinette) so it must have to do with the tweaks to the staff in recent years and the impact of continuity. So, all of you have been grousing that we should dump Duz if he goes 5-7 (which is very possible given our current unknowns on offense and questionable QB), need to continue to have patience.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

Was not my intent to put a downer on improved recruiting. Just wanted to see how we compared to the rest of the ACC so far--which may, of course, change when--

1. Every team's recruiting is done in February.
2. Rating adjustments are made following the upcoming fall HS SR Seasons for all recruits.

In the meantime, here is another way to look at the ACC recruiting so far with not giving consideration to the total number of each schools recruits (because it is way too early to consider that factor) but avoiding directly using average stars:

So, here is the average Rivals numerical score per commit for each ACC Team to date:

Notes: (1) Notre Dame is included even though they are not a full ACC FB member.
(2) The few unrated commits were arbitrarily assigned a 5.4 rating (~2-star level) rating.

Top ACC

01. Clemson 5.88
02. N. Dame 5.79
03. Fl. State 5.78
04. Miami 5.75

Middle ACC

05. UNC 5.642
06. UVA 5.613
07. PITT 5.593
08. Ga Tech 5.589
09. B.C. 5.583
10. NC State 5.580
11. Duke 5.575

Bottom ACC

12. Louisville 5.53
13. Va Tech 5.50
14. Wake For 5.49
15. Syracuse 5.47

 

[sonofabit]

These are solid commitments that keep us at least at the same levels of our conference brethren, most of whom have recent new hires and have the advantage of the current shinier stone in the pond. We haven't fallen seriously behind and even got a couple that seemed beyond our reach (in this era where everything seems tightly locked into place as far as star levels and the level of schools they'll consider).

It's a relief of sorts in that college sports recruiting has never seemed as unseemly as it has in the last couple years or more. The payola and shenanigans of the blue bloods have never been more overt, the laissez-fare of the sleazy NCAA never more evident.

If all these and a few more of quality end up actually signing, it's a positive sign. Or at least stems the downward drift that we appeared unable to halt.

The questions of "how is being done?" Are interesting. Are we loosening the sticks in the butts as far as recruiting schemes? Id say "nay" (nod to the late John Pinette) so it must have to do with the tweaks to the staff in recent years and the impact of continuity. So, all of you have been grousing that we should dump Duz if he goes 5-7 (which is very possible given our current unknowns on offense and questionable QB), need to continue to have patience.

Lol. Nay Nay. Funny guy. Health caught up to him unfortunately.

 

[doubleAA's]

--and are improved overall recruiting wise from a National perspective but, are we really making up any ground compared to our ACC peers? That may not be the case--

Looking at the rest of the ACC and factoring in numbers of commits per school it appears many of our peers are recruiting as well or better so far this spring for the class of 2020.

For example: Compare Pitt's #22 with--

BC with lower # of commits #34
Ga Tech #15
Louisville #26
Miami #5
UNC #9
NCst #18
Clemson #1
Fl St. #11

Yes. Of course we are. Are you really asking if a few percentage points of one sites recruiting rating is going to mean we will lose to those teams? I think its great that the entire ACC is recruiting so well. ACC and SEC are basically dominating the recruiting game, and you can see this playing out in the NC as well. We are now in that general top 25 of teams in the race. That is awesome

 

[pittdan77]

--and are improved overall recruiting wise from a National perspective but, are we really making up any ground compared to our ACC peers? That may not be the case--

Looking at the rest of the ACC and factoring in numbers of commits per school it appears many of our peers are recruiting as well or better so far this spring for the class of 2020.

For example: Compare Pitt's #22 with--

BC with lower # of commits #34
Ga Tech #15
Louisville #26
Miami #5
UNC #9
NCst #18
Clemson #1
Fl St. #11

Pitt will probably drip in the rankings because this will be a "small" class. That's unless more ships open up. That has as much to do with the rankings as anything.

Given recent history, if Pitt can recruit at a 0.86 average, they'll be in the top half of the ACC.

 

[pittdan77]

Louisville is "26th in rankings" with an average star ranking of 2.2 with 20 commits, people would be losing their minds if Nards had that class right now.

They're 26th because they have 20 commits and most everyone else is at 14-16. Don't be shocked if they fall into the 40's.

 

[Begbie_Nole]

They're 26th because they have 20 commits and most everyone else is at 14-16. Don't be shocked if they fall into the 40's.

That's what he is saying. their 20 commits have about 4 P5 offers combined. Amazing when people write articles about how well they are recruiting.. Same for GT. No excuse as the 2nd P5 school in Georgia that they can not get solid classes year in and year out.

 

[McKee Place]

Lol. Nay Nay. Funny guy. Health caught up to him unfortunately.

Definitely was a guy you benefited from seeing as well as hearing the act. Especially the buffet jokes! His jokes on water skiing and waterparks as well...

 

[pittdan77]

That's what he is saying. their 20 commits have about 4 P5 offers combined. Amazing when people write articles about how well they are recruiting.. Same for GT. No excuse as the 2nd P5 school in Georgia that they can not get solid classes year in and year out.

It's always a little wonky this time of the year. The staff needs to keep the rest of the class at its average or better to be a success. Some of the kids might get a bump up, too. It would be a really nice turnaround.

 

[pittdan77]

To the OP, @DiehardPanther makes a good point about recruiting with the rest of the ACC. If the whole conference is up, it makes it that much harder to compete but it's also a good sign. Means the overall reputation is getting better and for whatever that's worth, Pitt is elevating with everyone else.