Nice list, look at the teams on it. Most of the teams I can't stand!
Seven Most Overrated Jobs Coaching
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Top 3 are great examples. Not sure anyone rates Nebraska, Vandy, or WVU all that high, though.
Disagree on ND, Miami and a little bit on PSU. Nd still recruits itself, they just have had a knack of picking the wrong 5 star recruits. Miami still has access to tons of recruits a good salesman can still land great classes and with that win lots of games whether their are any fans to see them or not. Nothing was different when they were winning NC except the coaching. PSU can still land their share of talent but currently they have the whole we let a child rapist run around on campus stigma and PA doesn't produce the talent it used and they share part of the state with Pitt,add to it that MI and OSU are studs and it makes it tough. I don't know if you can win NC at PSU very easily but a good coach can win 9 or 10 games and challenge once or twice a decade and the fans will be happy.
The others I agree with completely most based on the fact that there is zero in state talent at places like WVU and NB. Vanderbilt has no chance being in the SEC.
The others I agree with completely most based on the fact that there is zero in state talent at places like WVU and NB. Vanderbilt has no chance being in the SEC.
I disagree on picking the wrong 5 star recruits for ND. No doubt they recruit well. But also no doubt that for YEARS any recruit that was very interested in ND or committed early generally immediately got 4 stars. Dont get me wrong, plenty of talent there, but I think a good number of the recruits are deeply overrated
Listen I do not like ND, but I don't think ND should be on that list. The problem with that school is they have not had a good consistent coach since Lou Holtz left. Every coach since then are not elite coaches.
Bob Davie
Ty Willingham
Charlie Weis
What have these guys done since ND? Nothing, they were never elite coaches
Currently, Brian Kelly is not a great coach. He outsmart himself more than any other coach I have seen. The mind games he plays with his players (QBs especially), are counterproductive. Let's face reality, he is only coaching their because fans ran in front of Shady one year and a ref did not call a block in the back on a kick return and Wanny screwed the rest of the game a way.
Bob Davie
Ty Willingham
Charlie Weis
What have these guys done since ND? Nothing, they were never elite coaches
Currently, Brian Kelly is not a great coach. He outsmart himself more than any other coach I have seen. The mind games he plays with his players (QBs especially), are counterproductive. Let's face reality, he is only coaching their because fans ran in front of Shady one year and a ref did not call a block in the back on a kick return and Wanny screwed the rest of the game a way.
I agree with this. Look at Michigan, Ohio State, and Alabama and the coaches they got. If ND would go that route, we would hate them even more. I don't know about PSU, no matter who goes there has to live in Paterno's shadow and I don't think a coach like Meyer, Harbaugh, or Saban would want that.
Kelly seems to be a Dantonio clone. Doing well with their programs and have gotten close a few times but they are not on the level of the big three.
Kelly seems to be a Dantonio clone. Doing well with their programs and have gotten close a few times but they are not on the level of the big three.
You're proving the point Nate Scott (author) was trying to get across. ND was an incredible program with success unmatched by most universities. However, since 2000, ND has an average record of 7.4/4.6 (W/L). At a university with that much prestige and national recognition, having a record that is just average given the talent they annually bring into the program is horrible. This is why they are considered an overrated coaching destination. When you see the pageantry and everything else promoted by ND and NBC every week, you would think they are still a national powerhouse, when in fact, they are a middling program with a massive budget.
VAPITTALUM, I don't think I am proving the authors point. He is stating the job is overrated and they do not attract good coaches. We now know those were bad hires, but at least Willingham/Weis/Kelly were all big time hires in fact they were the next big thing in coaching (I was like 13 or 14 when Davie became coach not sure how big of a hire that was).
Willingham resurrected a dead Stanford program without lowering the entrance standards there. Everyone thought if he is winning there with those standards what could he do if a place that is willing to let in players with lower standards in. But he wasn't a good coach he just caught lighting in a bottle at Stanford.
Weis, he was the darling and the next best thing since slice bread of not just College football but Pro football too. Everyone wanted him because he was really the brains of the New England machine not BB. While he was a dud.
Kelly, he is a good coach but a complete ahole who as I stated already, he out thinks himself. He plays games with the players, and he gets too cute. Again if the fans don't rush the field, Shady scores and Pitt wins the BE. Next year if ref calls the block in the back, Gilard (sp?) doesn't score right before half, maybe Wanny doesn't keep kicking to him and Pitt wins the BE and Kelly does not be the next big thing.
Again, all 3 of those hires ND got what was believed to be the next best thing in college football, but they were not and ND made the wrong hire. It is not like ND couldn't pick the best coach available. They would win a NC every 3 years at worse.
Willingham resurrected a dead Stanford program without lowering the entrance standards there. Everyone thought if he is winning there with those standards what could he do if a place that is willing to let in players with lower standards in. But he wasn't a good coach he just caught lighting in a bottle at Stanford.
Weis, he was the darling and the next best thing since slice bread of not just College football but Pro football too. Everyone wanted him because he was really the brains of the New England machine not BB. While he was a dud.
Kelly, he is a good coach but a complete ahole who as I stated already, he out thinks himself. He plays games with the players, and he gets too cute. Again if the fans don't rush the field, Shady scores and Pitt wins the BE. Next year if ref calls the block in the back, Gilard (sp?) doesn't score right before half, maybe Wanny doesn't keep kicking to him and Pitt wins the BE and Kelly does not be the next big thing.
Again, all 3 of those hires ND got what was believed to be the next best thing in college football, but they were not and ND made the wrong hire. It is not like ND couldn't pick the best coach available. They would win a NC every 3 years at worse.
I don't know what overrated or underrated means in this context? What I do know is that you can win at every single one of those schools, except maybe Vanderbilt.
Do all of those schools have some challenges? Of course they do. However, there are also major challenges at Texas, Alabama, LSU, Florida, USC, etc.
I will say this about West Virginia: I think the passion of their fan base is overstated. Attendance figures over the last several years prove that when the Mountaineers are good, their fans are extremely passionate. Whenever they are average or worse, they are like everyone else.
Do all of those schools have some challenges? Of course they do. However, there are also major challenges at Texas, Alabama, LSU, Florida, USC, etc.
I will say this about West Virginia: I think the passion of their fan base is overstated. Attendance figures over the last several years prove that when the Mountaineers are good, their fans are extremely passionate. Whenever they are average or worse, they are like everyone else.
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