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Couple of good articles by Carlson whose been all over this from the start when the rest of the media was poo pooing (even Comrade Fauci) the virus

Wuhan, in central China, was the first place in the world to suffer an outbreak of the novel coronavirus. It’s worth saying that out loud from time to time, both because it’s true and materially significant, and because a lot of people would like you to forget it.

Because Wuhan is the site of the longest-running coronavirus outbreak, we ought to study what happened there carefully. It’s worth knowing as much as we can about how and why the disease started, and how it moved so quickly to the rest of the world.

Even now, we know surprisingly little about that for certain, though day by day we are learning more. For example, how easily does the Chinese coronavirus spread through populations?


Early data from Wuhan led researchers to conclude that each infected person, on average, infected about 2.5 additional people. In epidemiological terms, that’s a lot; it means the outbreak could double every six days. That’s the assumption we’ve been working under ever since.

Now it looks like that assumption has been a profound understatement. A new draft paper by a team of scholars at Los Alamos National Laboratory concludes that the Wuhan coronavirus is actually highly infectious.

Based on extensive case analysis, the researchers estimate that the average infected Wuhan resident infected 5.7 other people. That’s enough to double the epidemic in fewer than three days.

Is the estimate accurate? We don’t know if it is. An awful lot of conclusions about this virus have turned out to be embarrassingly wrong. It has happened again and again, with enormous consequences.


But for a moment, imagine this new number from Los Alamos is correct, and the size of the outbreak in Wuhan was doubling every three days. That would mean a huge number of people there were infected with the coronavirus.

Here’s the mystery: The Chinese government allowed 5 million residents to flee the city before they locked it down in January. Most of them presumably went to other places in China. And yet, according to the Chinese – as well as all available evidence we now have in the West – there were no other major outbreaks in China. Not in Shanghai, not in Chengdu, not in Beijing.

Meanwhile, other cities all over Europe and the United States have been brought to their knees by the virus. How could this be? It doesn’t seem to make any sense at all.

For some reason, almost no one in the American media has even asked about it. That’s strange. At this point, we have no real explanation for why the coronavirus spread throughout the West, but not throughout China. We should find out.

And that’s far from the only thing we don’t understand about this pandemic. How about the most basic question of all: How deadly is it? We still don’t know.

In Italy, more than 10 percent of people with confirmed cases have died. In Germany, just 2 percent of confirmed cases resulted in death. It seems clear that both these numbers overstate the reality of the death rate, given that most people aren’t tested until they’re already sick.

More comprehensive testing in one town in Germany suggested a death rate of just 0.37 percent. Would that number hold in every place? Or could it be that the town was infected with a milder form of the virus?

Or is it possible that some groups of people are more vulnerable to the illness than others? We know that genetics plays a major role in the way many diseases progress. Is that true here? We don’t know.

While we’re at it, here a few other questions we should answer: Is this virus seasonal? Will it recede in the summer, before returning in the fall and winter? If infected people get immunity, how long does that immunity last? Will the virus mutate, so that people who get it this year could get it again next year? And, critically, what are the long-term effects of being infected?

There’s mounting evidence that an awful lot of people may have the virus and not know it. Do they face long-term health consequences from that? If so, what are they? We can only guess.

Those are just some of the things we still don’t know about this strange new virus from Wuhan, China. It would have been nice if authorities had learned a lot more before they took such dramatic steps in response to it.

Our leaders had two examples to choose from as this pandemic bore down on America: The Swedish model of targeted restrictions coupled with voluntary distancing; and the Chinese model of total lockdowns, internal travel restrictions, and punishment for those who step out of line.

Our leaders chose the Chinese model. With every passing day, their response becomes more restrictive: Requests that people stay indoors have become orders. People are being fined and arrested for driving alone, playing catch in the park and paddle boarding on the ocean.

How are these measures keeping us safe? The short answer is, we don’t know that they are. As noted, we still don’t know much of anything. We’re definitely not encouraged to ask about it.

Dr. Tony Fauci, who has become the face of coronavirus response, is now suggesting that America could adopt a feature of life familiar to the population of mainland China: Internal passports.

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was asked if he could imagine a time when Americans who have already been infected by the coronavirus and recovered carry certificates of immunity.

Fauci replied: “That’s possible. It’s one of those things that we talk about when we want to make sure we know who the vulnerable people are. This is something that’s being discussed, I think it might actually have some merit under certain circumstances.”

Your papers, please. Imagine a country where illegal immigrants can work, drive, get welfare, and vote, all without a single authentic document. Meanwhile, 300 million legal citizens must produce government papers to prove their right to go outside. That’s where we’re headed and with remarkable speed.


For what has to the first time in our history, Easter services have been banned in many places. Authorities will allow citizens to go to the supermarket, but not to practice Christianity in public. The Chinese population would recognize that too.

In Michigan, Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has ordered the few stores still open to fence off areas that offer furniture, paint or home improvement goods. Whitmer considers these “non-essential” items, so she’s prohibiting their sale.

The governor of Vermont has issued similar orders for stores there. Other places will doubtless follow their lead. What’s the rationale for this? Wouldn’t closing off more sections of a store increase crowding in the areas that remain open?


Where’s the science that suggests this works? There isn’t any. They feel like doing it, so they are. Politicians understand the only risk for them is in restraint. Authoritarian overreach is almost never punished.

When the coronavirus has finally passed, our leaders want to be able to say they took it seriously. But there’s nothing serious about reactions like this. They’re mindless and destructive. Instead of arresting people for going to church, maybe they could pause and answer a few basic questions first.






The host also voiced his dissatisfaction with the restrictions on celebrating Easter.

"For what has to be the first time in the history of this country, Easter services have been banned in many places, "Carlson said. "Authorities will allow citizens to go to the supermarket, but not to practice Christianity in public. The Chinese population would recognize that, too."


Carlson blasted some state leaders for punishing citizens who who don't adhere to the restrictions, including bans on shopping in certain sections of supermarkets.

"These are mindless and destructive measures," he concluded. "Instead of arresting people for going to church, maybe they could pause for a minute, dove into the science and answer a few of the most basic questions first.
 
Couple of good articles by Carlson whose been all over this from the start when the rest of the media was poo pooing (even Comrade Fauci) the virus

Wuhan, in central China, was the first place in the world to suffer an outbreak of the novel coronavirus. It’s worth saying that out loud from time to time, both because it’s true and materially significant, and because a lot of people would like you to forget it.

Because Wuhan is the site of the longest-running coronavirus outbreak, we ought to study what happened there carefully. It’s worth knowing as much as we can about how and why the disease started, and how it moved so quickly to the rest of the world.

Even now, we know surprisingly little about that for certain, though day by day we are learning more. For example, how easily does the Chinese coronavirus spread through populations?


Early data from Wuhan led researchers to conclude that each infected person, on average, infected about 2.5 additional people. In epidemiological terms, that’s a lot; it means the outbreak could double every six days. That’s the assumption we’ve been working under ever since.

Now it looks like that assumption has been a profound understatement. A new draft paper by a team of scholars at Los Alamos National Laboratory concludes that the Wuhan coronavirus is actually highly infectious.

Based on extensive case analysis, the researchers estimate that the average infected Wuhan resident infected 5.7 other people. That’s enough to double the epidemic in fewer than three days.

Is the estimate accurate? We don’t know if it is. An awful lot of conclusions about this virus have turned out to be embarrassingly wrong. It has happened again and again, with enormous consequences.


But for a moment, imagine this new number from Los Alamos is correct, and the size of the outbreak in Wuhan was doubling every three days. That would mean a huge number of people there were infected with the coronavirus.

Here’s the mystery: The Chinese government allowed 5 million residents to flee the city before they locked it down in January. Most of them presumably went to other places in China. And yet, according to the Chinese – as well as all available evidence we now have in the West – there were no other major outbreaks in China. Not in Shanghai, not in Chengdu, not in Beijing.

Meanwhile, other cities all over Europe and the United States have been brought to their knees by the virus. How could this be? It doesn’t seem to make any sense at all.

For some reason, almost no one in the American media has even asked about it. That’s strange. At this point, we have no real explanation for why the coronavirus spread throughout the West, but not throughout China. We should find out.

And that’s far from the only thing we don’t understand about this pandemic. How about the most basic question of all: How deadly is it? We still don’t know.

In Italy, more than 10 percent of people with confirmed cases have died. In Germany, just 2 percent of confirmed cases resulted in death. It seems clear that both these numbers overstate the reality of the death rate, given that most people aren’t tested until they’re already sick.

More comprehensive testing in one town in Germany suggested a death rate of just 0.37 percent. Would that number hold in every place? Or could it be that the town was infected with a milder form of the virus?

Or is it possible that some groups of people are more vulnerable to the illness than others? We know that genetics plays a major role in the way many diseases progress. Is that true here? We don’t know.

While we’re at it, here a few other questions we should answer: Is this virus seasonal? Will it recede in the summer, before returning in the fall and winter? If infected people get immunity, how long does that immunity last? Will the virus mutate, so that people who get it this year could get it again next year? And, critically, what are the long-term effects of being infected?

There’s mounting evidence that an awful lot of people may have the virus and not know it. Do they face long-term health consequences from that? If so, what are they? We can only guess.

Those are just some of the things we still don’t know about this strange new virus from Wuhan, China. It would have been nice if authorities had learned a lot more before they took such dramatic steps in response to it.

Our leaders had two examples to choose from as this pandemic bore down on America: The Swedish model of targeted restrictions coupled with voluntary distancing; and the Chinese model of total lockdowns, internal travel restrictions, and punishment for those who step out of line.

Our leaders chose the Chinese model. With every passing day, their response becomes more restrictive: Requests that people stay indoors have become orders. People are being fined and arrested for driving alone, playing catch in the park and paddle boarding on the ocean.

How are these measures keeping us safe? The short answer is, we don’t know that they are. As noted, we still don’t know much of anything. We’re definitely not encouraged to ask about it.

Dr. Tony Fauci, who has become the face of coronavirus response, is now suggesting that America could adopt a feature of life familiar to the population of mainland China: Internal passports.

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was asked if he could imagine a time when Americans who have already been infected by the coronavirus and recovered carry certificates of immunity.

Fauci replied: “That’s possible. It’s one of those things that we talk about when we want to make sure we know who the vulnerable people are. This is something that’s being discussed, I think it might actually have some merit under certain circumstances.”

Your papers, please. Imagine a country where illegal immigrants can work, drive, get welfare, and vote, all without a single authentic document. Meanwhile, 300 million legal citizens must produce government papers to prove their right to go outside. That’s where we’re headed and with remarkable speed.


For what has to the first time in our history, Easter services have been banned in many places. Authorities will allow citizens to go to the supermarket, but not to practice Christianity in public. The Chinese population would recognize that too.

In Michigan, Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has ordered the few stores still open to fence off areas that offer furniture, paint or home improvement goods. Whitmer considers these “non-essential” items, so she’s prohibiting their sale.

The governor of Vermont has issued similar orders for stores there. Other places will doubtless follow their lead. What’s the rationale for this? Wouldn’t closing off more sections of a store increase crowding in the areas that remain open?


Where’s the science that suggests this works? There isn’t any. They feel like doing it, so they are. Politicians understand the only risk for them is in restraint. Authoritarian overreach is almost never punished.

When the coronavirus has finally passed, our leaders want to be able to say they took it seriously. But there’s nothing serious about reactions like this. They’re mindless and destructive. Instead of arresting people for going to church, maybe they could pause and answer a few basic questions first.






The host also voiced his dissatisfaction with the restrictions on celebrating Easter.

"For what has to be the first time in the history of this country, Easter services have been banned in many places, "Carlson said. "Authorities will allow citizens to go to the supermarket, but not to practice Christianity in public. The Chinese population would recognize that, too."


Carlson blasted some state leaders for punishing citizens who who don't adhere to the restrictions, including bans on shopping in certain sections of supermarkets.

"These are mindless and destructive measures," he concluded. "Instead of arresting people for going to church, maybe they could pause for a minute, dove into the science and answer a few of the most basic questions first.
Do you believe what China says or reports? I sure as heck do not.
 
Couple of good articles by Carlson whose been all over this from the start when the rest of the media was poo pooing (even Comrade Fauci) the virus

Wuhan, in central China, was the first place in the world to suffer an outbreak of the novel coronavirus. It’s worth saying that out loud from time to time, both because it’s true and materially significant, and because a lot of people would like you to forget it.

Because Wuhan is the site of the longest-running coronavirus outbreak, we ought to study what happened there carefully. It’s worth knowing as much as we can about how and why the disease started, and how it moved so quickly to the rest of the world.

Even now, we know surprisingly little about that for certain, though day by day we are learning more. For example, how easily does the Chinese coronavirus spread through populations?


Early data from Wuhan led researchers to conclude that each infected person, on average, infected about 2.5 additional people. In epidemiological terms, that’s a lot; it means the outbreak could double every six days. That’s the assumption we’ve been working under ever since.

Now it looks like that assumption has been a profound understatement. A new draft paper by a team of scholars at Los Alamos National Laboratory concludes that the Wuhan coronavirus is actually highly infectious.

Based on extensive case analysis, the researchers estimate that the average infected Wuhan resident infected 5.7 other people. That’s enough to double the epidemic in fewer than three days.

Is the estimate accurate? We don’t know if it is. An awful lot of conclusions about this virus have turned out to be embarrassingly wrong. It has happened again and again, with enormous consequences.


But for a moment, imagine this new number from Los Alamos is correct, and the size of the outbreak in Wuhan was doubling every three days. That would mean a huge number of people there were infected with the coronavirus.

Here’s the mystery: The Chinese government allowed 5 million residents to flee the city before they locked it down in January. Most of them presumably went to other places in China. And yet, according to the Chinese – as well as all available evidence we now have in the West – there were no other major outbreaks in China. Not in Shanghai, not in Chengdu, not in Beijing.

Meanwhile, other cities all over Europe and the United States have been brought to their knees by the virus. How could this be? It doesn’t seem to make any sense at all.

For some reason, almost no one in the American media has even asked about it. That’s strange. At this point, we have no real explanation for why the coronavirus spread throughout the West, but not throughout China. We should find out.

And that’s far from the only thing we don’t understand about this pandemic. How about the most basic question of all: How deadly is it? We still don’t know.

In Italy, more than 10 percent of people with confirmed cases have died. In Germany, just 2 percent of confirmed cases resulted in death. It seems clear that both these numbers overstate the reality of the death rate, given that most people aren’t tested until they’re already sick.

More comprehensive testing in one town in Germany suggested a death rate of just 0.37 percent. Would that number hold in every place? Or could it be that the town was infected with a milder form of the virus?

Or is it possible that some groups of people are more vulnerable to the illness than others? We know that genetics plays a major role in the way many diseases progress. Is that true here? We don’t know.

While we’re at it, here a few other questions we should answer: Is this virus seasonal? Will it recede in the summer, before returning in the fall and winter? If infected people get immunity, how long does that immunity last? Will the virus mutate, so that people who get it this year could get it again next year? And, critically, what are the long-term effects of being infected?

There’s mounting evidence that an awful lot of people may have the virus and not know it. Do they face long-term health consequences from that? If so, what are they? We can only guess.

Those are just some of the things we still don’t know about this strange new virus from Wuhan, China. It would have been nice if authorities had learned a lot more before they took such dramatic steps in response to it.

Our leaders had two examples to choose from as this pandemic bore down on America: The Swedish model of targeted restrictions coupled with voluntary distancing; and the Chinese model of total lockdowns, internal travel restrictions, and punishment for those who step out of line.

Our leaders chose the Chinese model. With every passing day, their response becomes more restrictive: Requests that people stay indoors have become orders. People are being fined and arrested for driving alone, playing catch in the park and paddle boarding on the ocean.

How are these measures keeping us safe? The short answer is, we don’t know that they are. As noted, we still don’t know much of anything. We’re definitely not encouraged to ask about it.

Dr. Tony Fauci, who has become the face of coronavirus response, is now suggesting that America could adopt a feature of life familiar to the population of mainland China: Internal passports.

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was asked if he could imagine a time when Americans who have already been infected by the coronavirus and recovered carry certificates of immunity.

Fauci replied: “That’s possible. It’s one of those things that we talk about when we want to make sure we know who the vulnerable people are. This is something that’s being discussed, I think it might actually have some merit under certain circumstances.”

Your papers, please. Imagine a country where illegal immigrants can work, drive, get welfare, and vote, all without a single authentic document. Meanwhile, 300 million legal citizens must produce government papers to prove their right to go outside. That’s where we’re headed and with remarkable speed.


For what has to the first time in our history, Easter services have been banned in many places. Authorities will allow citizens to go to the supermarket, but not to practice Christianity in public. The Chinese population would recognize that too.

In Michigan, Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has ordered the few stores still open to fence off areas that offer furniture, paint or home improvement goods. Whitmer considers these “non-essential” items, so she’s prohibiting their sale.

The governor of Vermont has issued similar orders for stores there. Other places will doubtless follow their lead. What’s the rationale for this? Wouldn’t closing off more sections of a store increase crowding in the areas that remain open?


Where’s the science that suggests this works? There isn’t any. They feel like doing it, so they are. Politicians understand the only risk for them is in restraint. Authoritarian overreach is almost never punished.

When the coronavirus has finally passed, our leaders want to be able to say they took it seriously. But there’s nothing serious about reactions like this. They’re mindless and destructive. Instead of arresting people for going to church, maybe they could pause and answer a few basic questions first.






The host also voiced his dissatisfaction with the restrictions on celebrating Easter.

"For what has to be the first time in the history of this country, Easter services have been banned in many places, "Carlson said. "Authorities will allow citizens to go to the supermarket, but not to practice Christianity in public. The Chinese population would recognize that, too."


Carlson blasted some state leaders for punishing citizens who who don't adhere to the restrictions, including bans on shopping in certain sections of supermarkets.

"These are mindless and destructive measures," he concluded. "Instead of arresting people for going to church, maybe they could pause for a minute, dove into the science and answer a few of the most basic questions first.

i think your questions on china will.lead to more info on a coverup and less info on accuarte numbers. there is zero chance we will ever have accurate numbers from china. it would be even worse now for them to actually give them than in the beginning. they wont put themselves in a position to be dammed then or now or ever. its hopeless

i do think the media has just glazed over all of this
 
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I think we can believe portions of the data.

not their fatality rate - which we know they cooked the books
But disease progression , resolution , and treatment options-
Yeah - those are more trustworthy as they’ve been replicated

unreal how could you include progression rates that is EXACTLY what they have hid mr triple blind randomized medical study man. to think anything they give is useful outside of treatment is absurd.
 
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unreal how could you include progression rates that is EXACTLY what they have hid mr triple blind randomized medical study man. to think anything they give is useful outside of treatment is absurd.

why do you think treatment is valid , then ?
And of course the wuhan data about the disease is useful

shush
Grownups are talking
 
Couple of good articles by Carlson whose been all over this from the start when the rest of the media was poo pooing (even Comrade Fauci) the virus

Wuhan, in central China, was the first place in the world to suffer an outbreak of the novel coronavirus. It’s worth saying that out loud from time to time, both because it’s true and materially significant, and because a lot of people would like you to forget it.

Because Wuhan is the site of the longest-running coronavirus outbreak, we ought to study what happened there carefully. It’s worth knowing as much as we can about how and why the disease started, and how it moved so quickly to the rest of the world.

Even now, we know surprisingly little about that for certain, though day by day we are learning more. For example, how easily does the Chinese coronavirus spread through populations?


Early data from Wuhan led researchers to conclude that each infected person, on average, infected about 2.5 additional people. In epidemiological terms, that’s a lot; it means the outbreak could double every six days. That’s the assumption we’ve been working under ever since.

Now it looks like that assumption has been a profound understatement. A new draft paper by a team of scholars at Los Alamos National Laboratory concludes that the Wuhan coronavirus is actually highly infectious.

Based on extensive case analysis, the researchers estimate that the average infected Wuhan resident infected 5.7 other people. That’s enough to double the epidemic in fewer than three days.

Is the estimate accurate? We don’t know if it is. An awful lot of conclusions about this virus have turned out to be embarrassingly wrong. It has happened again and again, with enormous consequences.


But for a moment, imagine this new number from Los Alamos is correct, and the size of the outbreak in Wuhan was doubling every three days. That would mean a huge number of people there were infected with the coronavirus.

Here’s the mystery: The Chinese government allowed 5 million residents to flee the city before they locked it down in January. Most of them presumably went to other places in China. And yet, according to the Chinese – as well as all available evidence we now have in the West – there were no other major outbreaks in China. Not in Shanghai, not in Chengdu, not in Beijing.

Meanwhile, other cities all over Europe and the United States have been brought to their knees by the virus. How could this be? It doesn’t seem to make any sense at all.

For some reason, almost no one in the American media has even asked about it. That’s strange. At this point, we have no real explanation for why the coronavirus spread throughout the West, but not throughout China. We should find out.

And that’s far from the only thing we don’t understand about this pandemic. How about the most basic question of all: How deadly is it? We still don’t know.

In Italy, more than 10 percent of people with confirmed cases have died. In Germany, just 2 percent of confirmed cases resulted in death. It seems clear that both these numbers overstate the reality of the death rate, given that most people aren’t tested until they’re already sick.

More comprehensive testing in one town in Germany suggested a death rate of just 0.37 percent. Would that number hold in every place? Or could it be that the town was infected with a milder form of the virus?

Or is it possible that some groups of people are more vulnerable to the illness than others? We know that genetics plays a major role in the way many diseases progress. Is that true here? We don’t know.

While we’re at it, here a few other questions we should answer: Is this virus seasonal? Will it recede in the summer, before returning in the fall and winter? If infected people get immunity, how long does that immunity last? Will the virus mutate, so that people who get it this year could get it again next year? And, critically, what are the long-term effects of being infected?

There’s mounting evidence that an awful lot of people may have the virus and not know it. Do they face long-term health consequences from that? If so, what are they? We can only guess.

Those are just some of the things we still don’t know about this strange new virus from Wuhan, China. It would have been nice if authorities had learned a lot more before they took such dramatic steps in response to it.

Our leaders had two examples to choose from as this pandemic bore down on America: The Swedish model of targeted restrictions coupled with voluntary distancing; and the Chinese model of total lockdowns, internal travel restrictions, and punishment for those who step out of line.

Our leaders chose the Chinese model. With every passing day, their response becomes more restrictive: Requests that people stay indoors have become orders. People are being fined and arrested for driving alone, playing catch in the park and paddle boarding on the ocean.

How are these measures keeping us safe? The short answer is, we don’t know that they are. As noted, we still don’t know much of anything. We’re definitely not encouraged to ask about it.

Dr. Tony Fauci, who has become the face of coronavirus response, is now suggesting that America could adopt a feature of life familiar to the population of mainland China: Internal passports.

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was asked if he could imagine a time when Americans who have already been infected by the coronavirus and recovered carry certificates of immunity.

Fauci replied: “That’s possible. It’s one of those things that we talk about when we want to make sure we know who the vulnerable people are. This is something that’s being discussed, I think it might actually have some merit under certain circumstances.”

Your papers, please. Imagine a country where illegal immigrants can work, drive, get welfare, and vote, all without a single authentic document. Meanwhile, 300 million legal citizens must produce government papers to prove their right to go outside. That’s where we’re headed and with remarkable speed.


For what has to the first time in our history, Easter services have been banned in many places. Authorities will allow citizens to go to the supermarket, but not to practice Christianity in public. The Chinese population would recognize that too.

In Michigan, Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has ordered the few stores still open to fence off areas that offer furniture, paint or home improvement goods. Whitmer considers these “non-essential” items, so she’s prohibiting their sale.

The governor of Vermont has issued similar orders for stores there. Other places will doubtless follow their lead. What’s the rationale for this? Wouldn’t closing off more sections of a store increase crowding in the areas that remain open?


Where’s the science that suggests this works? There isn’t any. They feel like doing it, so they are. Politicians understand the only risk for them is in restraint. Authoritarian overreach is almost never punished.

When the coronavirus has finally passed, our leaders want to be able to say they took it seriously. But there’s nothing serious about reactions like this. They’re mindless and destructive. Instead of arresting people for going to church, maybe they could pause and answer a few basic questions first.






The host also voiced his dissatisfaction with the restrictions on celebrating Easter.

"For what has to be the first time in the history of this country, Easter services have been banned in many places, "Carlson said. "Authorities will allow citizens to go to the supermarket, but not to practice Christianity in public. The Chinese population would recognize that, too."


Carlson blasted some state leaders for punishing citizens who who don't adhere to the restrictions, including bans on shopping in certain sections of supermarkets.

"These are mindless and destructive measures," he concluded. "Instead of arresting people for going to church, maybe they could pause for a minute, dove into the science and answer a few of the most basic questions first.
I'm starting to believe that some government officials, especially at the state level, are testing Americans' willingness to comply with orders ... and for how long.
 
I'm starting to believe that some government officials, especially at the state level, are testing Americans' willingness to comply with orders ... and for how long.

yeah I hate to be party of the crazy conspiracy theory crowd but the extreme over reaction to the point of trampling On basic freedoms is concerning.

my big issue is balancing mitigating the impact on hospitals and lives lost with preserving basic freedoms and concern for people’s livelihoods


As I’ve indicated the people making decisions like Fauci don’t have to worry about their next paycheck or where they will get money to feed their family I think we’ve gone to the other extreme
 
China is either underreporting or there is something more sinister going on. The fact that it started there but basically got rid of it super quickly with no spread doesn't make any sense at all. I hope we conduct major investigations resulting in major sanctions.
 
Couple of good articles by Carlson whose been all over this from the start when the rest of the media was poo pooing (even Comrade Fauci) the virus

Wuhan, in central China, was the first place in the world to suffer an outbreak of the novel coronavirus. It’s worth saying that out loud from time to time, both because it’s true and materially significant, and because a lot of people would like you to forget it.

Because Wuhan is the site of the longest-running coronavirus outbreak, we ought to study what happened there carefully. It’s worth knowing as much as we can about how and why the disease started, and how it moved so quickly to the rest of the world.

Even now, we know surprisingly little about that for certain, though day by day we are learning more. For example, how easily does the Chinese coronavirus spread through populations?


Early data from Wuhan led researchers to conclude that each infected person, on average, infected about 2.5 additional people. In epidemiological terms, that’s a lot; it means the outbreak could double every six days. That’s the assumption we’ve been working under ever since.

Now it looks like that assumption has been a profound understatement. A new draft paper by a team of scholars at Los Alamos National Laboratory concludes that the Wuhan coronavirus is actually highly infectious.

Based on extensive case analysis, the researchers estimate that the average infected Wuhan resident infected 5.7 other people. That’s enough to double the epidemic in fewer than three days.

Is the estimate accurate? We don’t know if it is. An awful lot of conclusions about this virus have turned out to be embarrassingly wrong. It has happened again and again, with enormous consequences.


But for a moment, imagine this new number from Los Alamos is correct, and the size of the outbreak in Wuhan was doubling every three days. That would mean a huge number of people there were infected with the coronavirus.

Here’s the mystery: The Chinese government allowed 5 million residents to flee the city before they locked it down in January. Most of them presumably went to other places in China. And yet, according to the Chinese – as well as all available evidence we now have in the West – there were no other major outbreaks in China. Not in Shanghai, not in Chengdu, not in Beijing.

Meanwhile, other cities all over Europe and the United States have been brought to their knees by the virus. How could this be? It doesn’t seem to make any sense at all.

For some reason, almost no one in the American media has even asked about it. That’s strange. At this point, we have no real explanation for why the coronavirus spread throughout the West, but not throughout China. We should find out.

And that’s far from the only thing we don’t understand about this pandemic. How about the most basic question of all: How deadly is it? We still don’t know.

In Italy, more than 10 percent of people with confirmed cases have died. In Germany, just 2 percent of confirmed cases resulted in death. It seems clear that both these numbers overstate the reality of the death rate, given that most people aren’t tested until they’re already sick.

More comprehensive testing in one town in Germany suggested a death rate of just 0.37 percent. Would that number hold in every place? Or could it be that the town was infected with a milder form of the virus?

Or is it possible that some groups of people are more vulnerable to the illness than others? We know that genetics plays a major role in the way many diseases progress. Is that true here? We don’t know.

While we’re at it, here a few other questions we should answer: Is this virus seasonal? Will it recede in the summer, before returning in the fall and winter? If infected people get immunity, how long does that immunity last? Will the virus mutate, so that people who get it this year could get it again next year? And, critically, what are the long-term effects of being infected?

There’s mounting evidence that an awful lot of people may have the virus and not know it. Do they face long-term health consequences from that? If so, what are they? We can only guess.

Those are just some of the things we still don’t know about this strange new virus from Wuhan, China. It would have been nice if authorities had learned a lot more before they took such dramatic steps in response to it.

Our leaders had two examples to choose from as this pandemic bore down on America: The Swedish model of targeted restrictions coupled with voluntary distancing; and the Chinese model of total lockdowns, internal travel restrictions, and punishment for those who step out of line.

Our leaders chose the Chinese model. With every passing day, their response becomes more restrictive: Requests that people stay indoors have become orders. People are being fined and arrested for driving alone, playing catch in the park and paddle boarding on the ocean.

How are these measures keeping us safe? The short answer is, we don’t know that they are. As noted, we still don’t know much of anything. We’re definitely not encouraged to ask about it.

Dr. Tony Fauci, who has become the face of coronavirus response, is now suggesting that America could adopt a feature of life familiar to the population of mainland China: Internal passports.

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was asked if he could imagine a time when Americans who have already been infected by the coronavirus and recovered carry certificates of immunity.

Fauci replied: “That’s possible. It’s one of those things that we talk about when we want to make sure we know who the vulnerable people are. This is something that’s being discussed, I think it might actually have some merit under certain circumstances.”

Your papers, please. Imagine a country where illegal immigrants can work, drive, get welfare, and vote, all without a single authentic document. Meanwhile, 300 million legal citizens must produce government papers to prove their right to go outside. That’s where we’re headed and with remarkable speed.


For what has to the first time in our history, Easter services have been banned in many places. Authorities will allow citizens to go to the supermarket, but not to practice Christianity in public. The Chinese population would recognize that too.

In Michigan, Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has ordered the few stores still open to fence off areas that offer furniture, paint or home improvement goods. Whitmer considers these “non-essential” items, so she’s prohibiting their sale.

The governor of Vermont has issued similar orders for stores there. Other places will doubtless follow their lead. What’s the rationale for this? Wouldn’t closing off more sections of a store increase crowding in the areas that remain open?


Where’s the science that suggests this works? There isn’t any. They feel like doing it, so they are. Politicians understand the only risk for them is in restraint. Authoritarian overreach is almost never punished.

When the coronavirus has finally passed, our leaders want to be able to say they took it seriously. But there’s nothing serious about reactions like this. They’re mindless and destructive. Instead of arresting people for going to church, maybe they could pause and answer a few basic questions first.






The host also voiced his dissatisfaction with the restrictions on celebrating Easter.

"For what has to be the first time in the history of this country, Easter services have been banned in many places, "Carlson said. "Authorities will allow citizens to go to the supermarket, but not to practice Christianity in public. The Chinese population would recognize that, too."


Carlson blasted some state leaders for punishing citizens who who don't adhere to the restrictions, including bans on shopping in certain sections of supermarkets.

"These are mindless and destructive measures," he concluded. "Instead of arresting people for going to church, maybe they could pause for a minute, dove into the science and answer a few of the most basic questions first.

This really makes you stop and think. And no, we can't trust one bit of anything that is coming from China on anything. They are a big part of the reason this virus crisis exists, along with the W.H.O. and their lack of response and incorrect subsequent responses. All we can do is try and study what we believe happened in China, for what it's worth, and try and pattern our response accordingly going forward. That's the hard part because there is a zero level of confidence in any data from China.
 
i think your questions on china will.lead to more info on a coverup and less info on accuarte numbers. there is zero chance we will ever have accurate numbers from china. it would be even worse now for them to actually give them than in the beginning. they wont put themselves in a position to be dammed then or now or ever. its hopeless

i do think the media has just glazed over all of this
A large swath of China lives medieval lies....with a cellphone. I'd be many have died w/o medical care. In Northern Italy, a large segment of garment workers are Chinese immigrants 100K+. They probably got medical care, so the death RATE was much higher.
The PRC is a closed society beyond the tourist areas. North Korea is totally closed. We enjoy open info, yet our rates of death outside NYC are pretty low.
 
I look forward to the opportunity to take an antibody test. I believe I've had this virus from early January. At the time I just thought common cold and flu like stuff. I had my flu shot so I never got really sick where I even thought about a doctor visit. A lot of people here in California had severe symptoms in early January. We should compare sick time and missed school days and compare them on a YOY basis. And get those antibody tests going.
 
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I honestly don't recall having a cold or any other type of URI type in at least 15 years if not more. I just don't get sick.
 
I honestly don't recall having a cold or any other type of URI type in at least 15 years if not more. I just don't get sick.

Okay Superman :rolleyes: I kid .

No . You are right . I'm no germaphobe and I do get an annual free flu shot from the company I work for . Plus I have always practiced washing my hands , social distancing . Just something all of us should be doing due to annual flu outbreaks , common cold etc.
Common sense stuff .
 
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I honestly don't recall having a cold or any other type of URI type in at least 15 years if not more. I just don't get sick.
I have seasonal allergies, but haven't had the flu in 40 years. My wife & PCP badgered me to get a flu shot...first ever.....so I did. Hell, I had appendicitis twice!!
 
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I have seasonal allergies, but haven't had the flu in 40 years. My wife & PCP badgered me to get a flu shot...first ever.....so I did. Hell, I had appendicitis twice!!
Your wife is your PCP ?
If so cool . Must make for an erotic annual prostate exam !
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One medical professional was wondering about CA.
A big city with a large Asian - Chinese population, with extensive travel back and forth to Asia- China, people were traveling in large numbers from CA to China right up to the travel ban and they have 24k cases with 400 deaths. Curious!

One medical reporter suggested possibly a large population of Asians "transmits" antibodies person to person that tamps down the spread of Corona virus.

Noone knows but the CA numbers are curious.
 
One medical professional was wondering about CA.
A big city with a large Asian - Chinese population, with extensive travel back and forth to Asia- China, people were traveling in large numbers from CA to China right up to the travel ban and they have 24k cases with 400 deaths. Curious!

One medical reporter suggested possibly a large population of Asians "transmits" antibodies person to person that tamps down the spread of Corona virus.

Noone knows but the CA numbers are curious.
Gonna go get me an asian girlfriend pronto !
 
China is either underreporting or there is something more sinister going on. The fact that it started there but basically got rid of it super quickly with no spread doesn't make any sense at all. I hope we conduct major investigations resulting in major sanctions.
I agree they either cooked the books(numbers) or this was made in a Wuhan lab and they already had some form of vaccine or treatment. My guess is the just cooked the books as their is a lot of anecdotal evidence of many more deaths, but the fact this didn't spread elsewhere in China but spread world wide is a major red flag
 
One medical professional was wondering about CA.
A big city with a large Asian - Chinese population, with extensive travel back and forth to Asia- China, people were traveling in large numbers from CA to China right up to the travel ban and they have 24k cases with 400 deaths. Curious!

One medical reporter suggested possibly a large population of Asians "transmits" antibodies person to person that tamps down the spread of Corona virus.

Noone knows but the CA numbers are curious.
Or just that the virus was made to Target other races more! The more I read the more their seems to be a genetic key to who is getting sick and who isn't. I mean the flu typically makes the vast majority who get it sick, sure some get it much worse than others but for the most part it makes most sick and the ones that get it worst have weaker immune systems. But this virus behaves far differently. A sizable amount of people just don't get hardly any symptoms were another sizable amount get extremely sick.
 
One medical professional was wondering about CA.
A big city with a large Asian - Chinese population, with extensive travel back and forth to Asia- China, people were traveling in large numbers from CA to China right up to the travel ban and they have 24k cases with 400 deaths. Curious!

One medical reporter suggested possibly a large population of Asians "transmits" antibodies person to person that tamps down the spread of Corona virus.

Noone knows but the CA numbers are curious.
You don’t transmit antibodies
I’ll dispatch that theory
 
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