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- Regardless of what happens tomorrow against penn state, the University of Pittsburgh needs to take a long, hard, honest look at the Pitt football program. If they do, they will see a program that seems to be going no where fast.
The issue is not Head Coach Pat Narduzzi. In fact, in my opinion, he is the perfect man for the job. The man is a great representative of the University of Pittsburgh and he demonstrates the qualities that every parent of a recruit would want to see from their son's future head coach.
The largest issue with the football program is the one that no one really wants to talk about...the lack of a "on-campus" stadium that they call their own. This issue is used against Pitt at every visit to a potential recruit. My nephew is a pretty good football player and has been receiving some D-I interest. I sat in on a home visit with a coach from a school I will not name and within the first two minutes the subject was brought up. Now to you and I, playing in front on 30,000 people, in a stadium that you "rent" may not be a big deal, but to an 18 year old athlete, it is something special.
-The University of Pittsburgh runs its Athletic Department, the same way that Bob Nutting runs the Pirates. They both talk of wanting their teams to be successful, but neither of them seem to have the testicular fortitude to step up and make the "big moves" needed to improve their situations. The "big moves" I'm referring to is...spending some money. For Pitt that means, Heather Lyke MUST find a way to make an on-campus stadium a reality. It is what most Pitt fans desire, the football program needs and quite frankly, Heather Lyke needs to have happen to help bring in the big money into Pitt athletic department.
-When I got home after the Ohio game last Saturday, I was curious to hear what the opposing teams radio guys were saying about the Pitt team. To my surprise, they were very complementary
of the Pitt football team. They spoke highly of Kenny Pickett's talent and were very impressed by just how good the Pitt defense played against a pretty good Ohio University offense. They also said that the stadium attendance for the game was roughly 25,000. I then had to see just how right they were. Pitt announced the game day attendance of 42,168. Based upon what I saw from my seats, I'd have to side with the Ohio University radio guys. How can there be 17,000+
-Also, it is truly sad that the PITT - penn state series is going on a hiatus again. This "rivalry" game should be played EVERY year. I've said this before and I'll say it again, Pitt needs to take a hard line stance and make our friends to the east understand that if the Pitt - penn state football game is not played every year, then the University of Pittsburgh will refuse to play penn state in any sport.
-Lastly, I know its a crazy idea but I'd like to see the University of Pittsburgh consider moving its main campus from the Oakland area of Pittsburgh out to the current location of the Pitt-Greensburg campus. Keep the Oakland location for those students majoring in Medicine, Dentistry, Nursing, Physical Therapy and other health related majors and send the rest of the students out to the Greensburg Campus. There is a lot of open area in Westmoreland County and I'm pretty sure that a 45,000 seat football stadium being built in the area would be welcomed by all.

Hail 2 Pitt!!
 
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Pitt needs to take a hard line stance and make our friends to the east understand that if the Pitt - penn state football game is not played every year, then the University of Pittsburgh will refuse to play penn state in any sport.
I agree with this, if they refuse to play us in FB, forget UPS, we shouldn't schedule them in ANY sport at all.
 
I’ve heard of people wanting to move the main campus to Johnstown, but Greensburg is a first ;)

That’s awesome you got to experience the recruiting process first-hand, and congrats on your nephew on his success up to this point. I’ve got to sit-in on some of it as well and you’re absolutely right about what they value. I have to think Lyke has thought about it, or even prefers an on-campus since she’s all about the “big picture.” All about the logistics of pulling it off, IMO.
 
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I have heard from a good source that Pitt the Victory Heights project will cost $300 million and Pitt is currently fundraising for it and it will only happen if they raise a certain amount of funds. If you are going to spend $300 million on athletic facilities in Oakland, I am sorry but that has to include a 45Kish seat football stadium. I mean olympic sports are great and all. I was at the soccer match vs #1 Wake tonight and the crowd was overflowing. Probably about 2K there but in general, nobody cares about those sports. Need to invest heavily in football.
 
Here we go with the Bob nutting shit. They deficit spend every fing year, spend the 4th most on football in the acc, have the second largest living alumni base, yet have the lowest donations and support in all of the acc.

Continue with your bitching about everything you dont understand though.
 
I have heard from a good source that Pitt the Victory Heights project will cost $300 million and Pitt is currently fundraising for it and it will only happen if they raise a certain amount of funds. If you are going to spend $300 million on athletic facilities in Oakland, I am sorry but that has to include a 45Kish seat football stadium. I mean olympic sports are great and all. I was at the soccer match vs #1 Wake tonight and the crowd was overflowing. Probably about 2K there but in general, nobody cares about those sports. Need to invest heavily in football.

The olympic sports upgrades are badly needed. Top 6 volleyball game on national tv and its 91 degrees in the field house.

No one seems to care about football either as no one shows up or is willing to provide support.
 
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Here we go with the Bob nutting shit. They deficit spend every fing year, spend the 4th most on football in the acc, have the second largest living alumni base, yet have the lowest donations and support in all of the acc.

Continue with your bitching about everything you dont understand though.

Deficit spend? On football?
 
Deficit spend? On football?

Someone just posted the numbers a few weeks ago. I don't believe we spend to a deficit (WVU does, though), but we do spend a much higher percentage of revenues than quite a bit of schools. I'm not saying everything has been managed correctly, but it's tough to say Pitt doesn't prioritize football after looking at those numbers.
 
Be honest. What did the silver tongued recruiters say when PITT had its own on campus stadium?

They said, "PITT Stadium is a dump! The campus is not safe! PITT does not sell out its football games! Playing on that turf causes more knee injuries! The Press Box looks like a tree house that I built as a child!"

Recruiting is a tough business and you need to brand your program effectively. No crying about what others say, just play to your strengths and understand your market.

College football attendance is not just a PITT issue. PITT actually does quite well for an urban based school that competes with other professional sports teams.

Average attendance among the 129 FBS teams during the 2018 season was 41,856 fans per game. That’s the lowest mark since 1996, and it’s the seventh time in the last eight years that attendance has declined.

https://fanbuzz.com/college-football/cfb-attendance-2019/

Only 30 schools average more than 55,000 in attendance. None of these compete directly with an NFL team. except for Miami.

Miami (FL) 61,469

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2018.pdf

PITT compared to other urban schools with NFL teams in same city

Pittsburgh 41,696

Arizona St. 48,515
Boston College 37,623
Buffalo 18,380
California 42,866
Cincinnati 30,519
Georgia Tech 43,087
Houston 29,838
Maryland 33,594
Minnesota 37,915
Northwestern 43,873
Rice 20,172
South Fla. 38,517
Southern Cal 55,449
TCU 42,868
Temple 28,470
Tulane 18,015
UCLA 51,164
Vanderbilt 28,045


I think overall attendance will continue to decline. The top 20 schools will continue to get high numbers but the others will go down.

It will be interesting to see if PITT has the political will and financial incentive to build a new stadium. My bet is that PITT and the Steelers will be at Heinz Field for a very long time.
 
Be honest. What did the silver tongued recruiters say when PITT had its own on campus stadium?

They said, "PITT Stadium is a dump! The campus is not safe! PITT does not sell out its football games! Playing on that turf causes more knee injuries! The Press Box looks like a tree house that I built as a child!"

Recruiting is a tough business and you need to brand your program effectively. No crying about what others say, just play to your strengths and understand your market.

College football attendance is not just a PITT issue. PITT actually does quite well for an urban based school that competes with other professional sports teams.

Average attendance among the 129 FBS teams during the 2018 season was 41,856 fans per game. That’s the lowest mark since 1996, and it’s the seventh time in the last eight years that attendance has declined.

https://fanbuzz.com/college-football/cfb-attendance-2019/

Only 30 schools average more than 55,000 in attendance. None of these compete directly with an NFL team. except for Miami.

Miami (FL) 61,469

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2018.pdf

PITT compared to other urban schools with NFL teams in same city

Pittsburgh 41,696

Arizona St. 48,515
Boston College 37,623
Buffalo 18,380
California 42,866
Cincinnati 30,519
Georgia Tech 43,087
Houston 29,838
Maryland 33,594
Minnesota 37,915
Northwestern 43,873
Rice 20,172
South Fla. 38,517
Southern Cal 55,449
TCU 42,868
Temple 28,470
Tulane 18,015
UCLA 51,164
Vanderbilt 28,045


I think overall attendance will continue to decline. The top 20 schools will continue to get high numbers but the others will go down.

It will be interesting to see if PITT has the political will and financial incentive to build a new stadium. My bet is that PITT and the Steelers will be at Heinz Field for a very long time.
Miami is a great example. Their fan base is a lot like Pitt's, because just a few years before, when they weren't nearly going undefeated, they were averaging in the high 40 k range. When Pitt had Fitzgerald, and a lot of hype, they averaged close to 60 k.
 
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The key is winning. Be relevant. Win. Complete. Flash on the national stage, if not stay there. Then the games become an event, and then people will come.

You want to take the school and the games out of one of the nicest urban areas in the world and put it in Greensburg, Pa, Really? Just because you see other schools with a lot of land around it?

Those schools draw not because it’s where the stadium is, but because there is truly nothing else around it. Big school. State footprint. Win. Nothing else to do. Result is 80k+.

But in an urban setting with grads from many schools and pro sports, you need to win. And then the environment created by winning perpetuates more winning because the atmosphere is better.

So back to the initial question if Pat is right for the job. He is “as right” as the average coach we have had in the last 20 years...but not sure he is going to change this dynamic. Someone can.
 
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- Regardless of what happens tomorrow against penn state, the University of Pittsburgh needs to take a long, hard, honest look at the Pitt football program. If they do, they will see a program that seems to be going no where fast.
The issue is not Head Coach Pat Narduzzi. In fact, in my opinion, he is the perfect man for the job. The man is a great representative of the University of Pittsburgh and he demonstrates the qualities that every parent of a recruit would want to see from their son's future head coach.
The largest issue with the football program is the one that no one really wants to talk about...the lack of a "on-campus" stadium that they call their own. This issue is used against Pitt at every visit to a potential recruit. My nephew is a pretty good football player and has been receiving some D-I interest. I sat in on a home visit with a coach from a school I will not name and within the first two minutes the subject was brought up. Now to you and I, playing in front on 30,000 people, in a stadium that you "rent" may not be a big deal, but to an 18 year old athlete, it is something special.
-The University of Pittsburgh runs its Athletic Department, the same way that Bob Nutting runs the Pirates. They both talk of wanting their teams to be successful, but neither of them seem to have the testicular fortitude to step up and make the "big moves" needed to improve their situations. The "big moves" I'm referring to is...spending some money. For Pitt that means, Heather Lyke MUST find a way to make an on-campus stadium a reality. It is what most Pitt fans desire, the football program needs and quite frankly, Heather Lyke needs to have happen to help bring in the big money into Pitt athletic department.
-When I got home after the Ohio game last Saturday, I was curious to hear what the opposing teams radio guys were saying about the Pitt team. To my surprise, they were very complementary
of the Pitt football team. They spoke highly of Kenny Pickett's talent and were very impressed by just how good the Pitt defense played against a pretty good Ohio University offense. They also said that the stadium attendance for the game was roughly 25,000. I then had to see just how right they were. Pitt announced the game day attendance of 42,168. Based upon what I saw from my seats, I'd have to side with the Ohio University radio guys. How can there be 17,000+
-Also, it is truly sad that the PITT - penn state series is going on a hiatus again. This "rivalry" game should be played EVERY year. I've said this before and I'll say it again, Pitt needs to take a hard line stance and make our friends to the east understand that if the Pitt - penn state football game is not played every year, then the University of Pittsburgh will refuse to play penn state in any sport.
-Lastly, I know its a crazy idea but I'd like to see the University of Pittsburgh consider moving its main campus from the Oakland area of Pittsburgh out to the current location of the Pitt-Greensburg campus. Keep the Oakland location for those students majoring in Medicine, Dentistry, Nursing, Physical Therapy and other health related majors and send the rest of the students out to the Greensburg Campus. There is a lot of open area in Westmoreland County and I'm pretty sure that a 45,000 seat football stadium being built in the area would be welcomed by all.

Hail 2 Pitt!!
You kind of lost credibility with the moving of the campus to Greensburg (or anywhere else).
 
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You kind of lost credibility with the moving of the campus to Greensburg (or anywhere else).

He lost credibility with most of what he posted. The Pitt football program has been mediocre to bad for 35+ years. During quite a bit of that time, we had an on-campus stadium. The OP needs to get a dose of reality, read about the history of Pitt football and the University of Pittsburgh, and quit smoking that weed.

An on-campus stadium IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, at least for the next 100 years. And the University of Pittsburgh is not just the football program, believe it or not. The school's location isn't moving....EVER. We didn't sell out on our principles for our football program like the team we're playing today did. Pitt's mission is the education of young men and women and that takes the highest priority over everything else. The football program is down the list quite a bit, where it belongs. It's entertainment for students and alumni, that's all it is. If money is going to be spent at Pitt, it will be spent on things that help educate people.

I hope your post was made in jest or to get a rise out of people and not seriously. If it was a serious post, I'd suggest getting off of that weed and don't drink so much when you post.
 
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The key is winning. Be relevant. Win. Complete. Flash on the national stage, if not stay there. Then the games become an event, and then people will come.

You want to take the school and the games out of one of the nicest urban areas in the world and put it in Greensburg, Pa, Really? Just because you see other schools with a lot of land around it?

Those schools draw not because it’s where the stadium is, but because there is truly nothing else around it. Big school. State footprint. Win. Nothing else to do. Result is 80k+.

But in an urban setting with grads from many schools and pro sports, you need to win. And then the environment created by winning perpetuates more winning because the atmosphere is better.

So back to the initial question if Pat is right for the job. He is “as right” as the average coach we have had in the last 20 years...but not sure he is going to change this dynamic. Someone can.
Agree the key is winning. And not just a season but sustained winning. Those schools drawing 100k aren't doing it because of football but because the game is a event. That's the problem for Pitt though because it's hard to make the game a event in a city like Pittsburgh where the event is Steeler football. Would a on campus stadium with lots of room for tailgating help? Probably but you would still have to win. Pitts problem is they havent had a top level coach since Sherrill left. Several solid guys and I would put pn on that list but not someone who is going to carry the program up by it's bootstrap. Then if you find that guy you have to keep him because everyone else wants him as well
 
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I agree 100% with your post, aside from moving the main campus. I do think Pitt should consider a second campus outside of Oakland but I think Greensburg is a little too far-flung.

And a new, on-campus stadium isn't necessary (and maybe even probable) but it would go a long way to improving the program. Anyone who thinks otherwise isn't being objective. And a basic 45K stadium can look big time. Just look at Minnesota, Houston, or Baylor.
 
He lost credibility with most of what he posted. The Pitt football program has been mediocre to bad for 35+ years. During quite a bit of that time, we had an on-campus stadium. The OP needs to get a dose of reality, read about the history of Pitt football and the University of Pittsburgh, and quit smoking that weed.

An on-campus stadium IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, at least for the next 100 years. And the University of Pittsburgh is not just the football program, believe it or not. The school's location isn't moving....EVER. We didn't sell out on our principles for our football program like the team we're playing today did. Pitt's mission is the education of young men and women and that takes the highest priority over everything else. The football program is down the list quite a bit, where it belongs. It's entertainment for students and alumni, that's all it is. If money is going to be spent at Pitt, it will be spent on things that help educate people.

I hope your post was made in jest or to get a rise out of people and not seriously. If it was a serious post, I'd suggest getting off of that weed and don't drink so much when you post.
This post could have been authored by a branch campus dummy fan..., pure garbage
 
This post could have been authored by a branch campus dummy fan..., pure garbage
I agree Del and I also agree with you re: tear down the Pete (~20 years old now) - build a brand new Pitt stadium there - say with 45K seats.
FB drives the bus - easier to find a location for a BB arena vs. a FB stadium
 
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- Regardless of what happens tomorrow against penn state, the University of Pittsburgh needs to take a long, hard, honest look at the Pitt football program. If they do, they will see a program that seems to be going no where fast.
The issue is not Head Coach Pat Narduzzi. In fact, in my opinion, he is the perfect man for the job. The man is a great representative of the University of Pittsburgh and he demonstrates the qualities that every parent of a recruit would want to see from their son's future head coach.
The largest issue with the football program is the one that no one really wants to talk about...the lack of a "on-campus" stadium that they call their own. This issue is used against Pitt at every visit to a potential recruit. My nephew is a pretty good football player and has been receiving some D-I interest. I sat in on a home visit with a coach from a school I will not name and within the first two minutes the subject was brought up. Now to you and I, playing in front on 30,000 people, in a stadium that you "rent" may not be a big deal, but to an 18 year old athlete, it is something special.
-The University of Pittsburgh runs its Athletic Department, the same way that Bob Nutting runs the Pirates. They both talk of wanting their teams to be successful, but neither of them seem to have the testicular fortitude to step up and make the "big moves" needed to improve their situations. The "big moves" I'm referring to is...spending some money. For Pitt that means, Heather Lyke MUST find a way to make an on-campus stadium a reality. It is what most Pitt fans desire, the football program needs and quite frankly, Heather Lyke needs to have happen to help bring in the big money into Pitt athletic department.
-When I got home after the Ohio game last Saturday, I was curious to hear what the opposing teams radio guys were saying about the Pitt team. To my surprise, they were very complementary
of the Pitt football team. They spoke highly of Kenny Pickett's talent and were very impressed by just how good the Pitt defense played against a pretty good Ohio University offense. They also said that the stadium attendance for the game was roughly 25,000. I then had to see just how right they were. Pitt announced the game day attendance of 42,168. Based upon what I saw from my seats, I'd have to side with the Ohio University radio guys. How can there be 17,000+
-Also, it is truly sad that the PITT - penn state series is going on a hiatus again. This "rivalry" game should be played EVERY year. I've said this before and I'll say it again, Pitt needs to take a hard line stance and make our friends to the east understand that if the Pitt - penn state football game is not played every year, then the University of Pittsburgh will refuse to play penn state in any sport.
-Lastly, I know its a crazy idea but I'd like to see the University of Pittsburgh consider moving its main campus from the Oakland area of Pittsburgh out to the current location of the Pitt-Greensburg campus. Keep the Oakland location for those students majoring in Medicine, Dentistry, Nursing, Physical Therapy and other health related majors and send the rest of the students out to the Greensburg Campus. There is a lot of open area in Westmoreland County and I'm pretty sure that a 45,000 seat football stadium being built in the area would be welcomed by all.

Hail 2 Pitt!!
Nonsense. Greensburg is NOT Pittsburgh.
 
I agree Del and I also agree with you re: tear down the Pete (~20 years old now) - build a brand new Pitt stadium there - say with 45K seats.
FB drives the bus - easier to find a location for a BB arena vs. a FB stadium
You read the crap in that guy’s post and you understand what Pitt’s been up against in trying to elevate the FB program.
 
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I agree Del and I also agree with you re: tear down the Pete (~20 years old now) - build a brand new Pitt stadium there - say with 45K seats.
FB drives the bus - easier to find a location for a BB arena vs. a FB stadium

I get that FB drives the bus but tearing down a great, still relatively new arena that cost hundreds of millions in university and state money would be a colossal blunder
 
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- Regardless of what happens tomorrow against penn state, the University of Pittsburgh needs to take a long, hard, honest look at the Pitt football program. If they do, they will see a program that seems to be going no where fast.
The issue is not Head Coach Pat Narduzzi. In fact, in my opinion, he is the perfect man for the job. The man is a great representative of the University of Pittsburgh and he demonstrates the qualities that every parent of a recruit would want to see from their son's future head coach.
The largest issue with the football program is the one that no one really wants to talk about...the lack of a "on-campus" stadium that they call their own. This issue is used against Pitt at every visit to a potential recruit. My nephew is a pretty good football player and has been receiving some D-I interest. I sat in on a home visit with a coach from a school I will not name and within the first two minutes the subject was brought up. Now to you and I, playing in front on 30,000 people, in a stadium that you "rent" may not be a big deal, but to an 18 year old athlete, it is something special.
-The University of Pittsburgh runs its Athletic Department, the same way that Bob Nutting runs the Pirates. They both talk of wanting their teams to be successful, but neither of them seem to have the testicular fortitude to step up and make the "big moves" needed to improve their situations. The "big moves" I'm referring to is...spending some money. For Pitt that means, Heather Lyke MUST find a way to make an on-campus stadium a reality. It is what most Pitt fans desire, the football program needs and quite frankly, Heather Lyke needs to have happen to help bring in the big money into Pitt athletic department.
-When I got home after the Ohio game last Saturday, I was curious to hear what the opposing teams radio guys were saying about the Pitt team. To my surprise, they were very complementary
of the Pitt football team. They spoke highly of Kenny Pickett's talent and were very impressed by just how good the Pitt defense played against a pretty good Ohio University offense. They also said that the stadium attendance for the game was roughly 25,000. I then had to see just how right they were. Pitt announced the game day attendance of 42,168. Based upon what I saw from my seats, I'd have to side with the Ohio University radio guys. How can there be 17,000+
-Also, it is truly sad that the PITT - penn state series is going on a hiatus again. This "rivalry" game should be played EVERY year. I've said this before and I'll say it again, Pitt needs to take a hard line stance and make our friends to the east understand that if the Pitt - penn state football game is not played every year, then the University of Pittsburgh will refuse to play penn state in any sport.
-Lastly, I know its a crazy idea but I'd like to see the University of Pittsburgh consider moving its main campus from the Oakland area of Pittsburgh out to the current location of the Pitt-Greensburg campus. Keep the Oakland location for those students majoring in Medicine, Dentistry, Nursing, Physical Therapy and other health related majors and send the rest of the students out to the Greensburg Campus. There is a lot of open area in Westmoreland County and I'm pretty sure that a 45,000 seat football stadium being built in the area would be welcomed by all.

Hail 2 Pitt!!

I think you are way overthinking this.

Here's why Pitt's perception is lower than its ACC record. Doke posted these totals.

Including this weekend, the amount of final and current top 15 OOC opponents since Narduzzi became coach in 2015. And this doesn’t include UCF for Pitt, which is currently No. 17.

Pitt 9
Virginia Tech 2
Syracuse 1
Penn State 0
West Virginia 0

Others in the ACC
OOC regular season opponents in top 15 since 2015 (including ND)

FSU 4
WF 3
GT 3
VT 2
Miami 2
Clem 2
Lou 2
BC 2
NC St 1
Syr 1
UNC 1
UVA 1
Duke 0

Let that sink in-

Pitt scheduling has cost them multiple top 25 finishes since PN got here. That impacts both attendance and recruiting.

Step 1. Stop this idiotic self inflicted scheduling. No-one cares who you beat; they only care about the final win number and ranking. See Syracuse and Wisconsin.

Step 2. A winning record will increase the number of yinzers at Heinz on Saturday.

Step 3. Capitalize on the better perception of the team and increased attendance to improve recruiting.

It's really that simple. The strategy has been successful all over the country in all of the P5 conferences (see above for examples).

If I'm the AD, Pitt is playing WVU every year other than when they play ND until Pitt proves it is a consistent top 15 program. Every other OCC games needs to be an auto-win game.
 
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If they built an on-campus stadium tomorrow, Pitt would still pull in the same recruits and have the same record year to year. You have Clemson and Alabama, a small group of 4-6 teams that can compete for a playoff spot on a year basis, a group of perennial 8-9 win teams, then the group that Pitt is in. It's almost impossible to compete in college football right now unless you're one of the big boys.
 
I think you are way overthinking this.

Here's why Pitt's perception is lower than its ACC record. Doke posted these totals.

Including this weekend, the amount of final and current top 15 OOC opponents since Narduzzi became coach in 2015. And this doesn’t include UCF for Pitt, which is currently No. 17.

Pitt 9
Virginia Tech 2
Syracuse 1
Penn State 0
West Virginia 0

Others in the ACC
OOC regular season opponents in top 15 since 2015 (including ND)

FSU 4
WF 3
GT 3
VT 2
Miami 2
Clem 2
Lou 2
BC 2
NC St 1
Syr 1
UNC 1
UVA 1
Duke 0

Let that sink in-

Pitt scheduling has cost them multiple top 25 finishes since PN got here. That impacts both attendance and recruiting.

Step 1. Stop this idiotic self inflicted scheduling. No-one cares who you beat; they only care about the final win number and ranking. See Syracuse and Wisconsin.

Step 2. A winning record will increase the number of yinzers at Heinz on Saturday.

Step 3. Capitalize on the better perception of the team and increased attendance to improve recruiting.

It's really that simple. The strategy has been successful all over the country in all of the P5 conferences (see above for examples).

If I'm the AD, Pitt is playing WVU every year other than when they play ND until Pitt proves it is a consistent top 15 program. Every other OCC games needs to be an auto-win game.
For goodness sake, for the trillionth time, our ADs don't give a flying flunk about strategic scheduling. They look to fill slots in the schedule as cheaply and easily as possible. Buying games with bad OOC teams costs too much. And increasingly we're being seen as the 'bad OOC' team by OTHERS looking to pad schedules. Tennessee for example. A struggling SEC team that needs beatable P5 team, knowing that it would have to give a home and home, it went with probably the least intimidating road game.

I agree with the concept believe me, i'm not into suicidal schedules. But the scheduling is not an indicator that somehow our ADs are all masochists. Ir means that winning and elevating the program really is the very least priority at Pitt. Mere existence in order to get conference money is the sole objective.
 
If they built an on-campus stadium tomorrow, Pitt would still pull in the same recruits and have the same record year to year. You have Clemson and Alabama, a small group of 4-6 teams that can compete for a playoff spot on a year basis, a group of perennial 8-9 win teams, then the group that Pitt is in. It's almost impossible to compete in college football right now unless you're one of the big boys.
Totally right. The system needs reformed. Pitt should be one at the forefront of it but instead lays back and sucks on the fringe teat.
 
For goodness sake, for the trillionth time, our ADs don't give a flying flunk about strategic scheduling. They look to fill slots in the schedule as cheaply and easily as possible. Buying games with bad OOC teams costs too much. And increasingly we're being seen as the 'bad OOC' team by OTHERS looking to pad schedules. Tennessee for example. A struggling SEC team that needs beatable P5 team, knowing that it would have to give a home and home, it went with probably the least intimidating road game.

I agree with the concept believe me, i'm not into suicidal schedules. But the scheduling is not an indicator that somehow our ADs are all masochists. Ir means that winning and elevating the program really is the very least priority at Pitt. Mere existence in order to get conference money is the sole objective.

I agree with all of that and here's the point that OP is missing.

The easiest, most cost effective path is simply buying games not spending $150 million on a stadium.
 
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It’s not the schedule that has kept Pitt out of the Top 25.

It's a big part of it it now. Dokish put out the template for future Pitt schedules yesterday and it was spot on. No reason to not enter conference play either 4-0 or 3-1 at worst. You do that and 9 win seasons are achievable and that comes with a top 25 ranking.
 
Be honest. What did the silver tongued recruiters say when PITT had its own on campus stadium?

They said, "PITT Stadium is a dump!

It was a dump. But why? Why did Pitt allow Pitt Stadium to become such a run down place?

What would happen if the nearest Wendy's to your house had a bad owner who never fixed anything, allowed the building to fall apart and served terrible food?
 
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