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Just got back. Solid A- in my book. Anyone else see it and want to discuss plot?
 
I give it a B+. Way too many random coincidences in a gigantic universe. Solid film though. I am still digesting things as I drive home. Lots of questions still remain right? That bodes well for episode 8.
 
I think a B+ is a fair grade, but upon reflection, I was laughing and smiling for at least half of the movie. I enjoyed it too much to give it anything less than a A grade. Probably the part that brought the biggest smile was when Rey and Finn were running and Finn asks if they should take that plane and Rey responds that it is garbage, only to have their first choice blow up and have to return to the garbage millennium falcon. I loved that part.

Anyway, I loved the action, and visuals were by far the best star wars has ever seen. When Poe shoots at Kylo Ren and Ren stops the blaster, that was one of the greatest special effects i have seen in a long time. Really cool shot. Poe was very funny and I never thought a stupid robot would give me smiles, but the BB8 was great too.

Adam Driver played a great villian. I was glad to see he didn't turn into a Darth Maul and die in his only movie. I would like to see more of his history explored and learn why he turned to the dark side after his training.

Ok, so now for my problems with the movie:

Too much plot left unknown. At this point unless they do a spin off for Kylo Ren, I doubt anything in the next few movies will satisfy me regarding his failed training with Luke.
I also didn't like how Disney announced they were blowing up the cannon of Star Wars only to revert to some of the main themes from it. Not that I have read anything other than wikipedia explanations but the Han/Leia kid turning to the dark side was always something from those books and I kind of wish JJ had gone a slightly different route here.

My other problem was we see how difficult and time consuming the training was for Luke. For Rey to have no formal training in the force and to fight off Kylo Ren's mind control, well call me a bit underwhelmed. I guess the force just randomly resides in people or remains latent until they need it? Something tells me we are going to get more of her backstory in the future and that her parents' identity will come out to be some familiar faces. I also could see a mile away the big death scene coming and I wish I felt more emotion to seeing a beloved character die, but I was kind of like "meh." Captain phantasm (or whatever the Game of Thrones lady's name was) didn't have nearly as much screen time as I had hoped, but hopefully we get more of her in future films.

Finally, my biggest criticism, but also maybe why I liked the movie so much, was how closely the plot felt like an extended version of New Hope. Very similar plots lines here. Looking objectively at the movie, I think JJ could have spread his wings a little more here.

But all that said, this was the Star Wars movie I had been waiting for since the 1980's. It delivered in a big time way and I really am looking forward to seeing the future installments. Hopefully Luke has a bigger role other than just serving as a mentor.
 
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Yeah I agree about the death scene. I thought it could have evoked more emotion. They showed a bit of it from Chewie, but seemed to show more from Rey and Finn--who barely knew him. Showing Chewie mourn a bit more may have drawn more tears from the audience. And I think the score could have been better--which would have made that scene so much better.

I read plenty of reviews that gave the film high praise, which they should have. I read one reputable insider say that this film could get nominated for an Oscar. I just don't see that happening. But that doesn't mean that I think the film disappointed. It certainly did not.

Do you think Phasma survived? Hux? Certainly Ren did. I just have a feeling that they have more planned for Phasma.
 
I hope they survived. Like I said, I found a few bones to pick with the film, but it was such a fun ride, that I am willing to overlook them because of the possibilities in the future. And I freely admit that the prequels left such a sour taste that perhaps I enjoyed this movie so much because it was the furthest thing from jar jar binks and whiny I hate sand anakin.

(As an aside, that was probably one of my biggest beefs in movie history. We had heard in the original trilogy how evil vader was and how he wiped out the entire Jedi order. Then in the prequels, that part of the story was presented in the lamest of ways. Very disappointing there. I hope that they don't neuter Kylo Ren because he seems like an excellent villian.)
 
I think a B+ is a fair grade, but upon reflection, I was laughing and smiling for at least half of the movie. I enjoyed it too much to give it anything less than a A grade. Probably the part that brought the biggest smile was when Rey and Finn were running and Finn asks if they should take that plane and Rey responds that it is garbage, only to have their first choice blow up and have to return to the garbage millennium falcon. I loved that part.

Anyway, I loved the action, and visuals were by far the best star wars has ever seen. When Poe shoots at Kylo Ren and Ren stops the blaster, that was one of the greatest special effects i have seen in a long time. Really cool shot. Poe was very funny and I never thought a stupid robot would give me smiles, but the BB8 was great too.

Adam Driver played a great villian. I was glad to see he didn't turn into a Darth Maul and die in his only movie. I would like to see more of his history explored and learn why he turned to the dark side after his training.

Ok, so now for my problems with the movie:

Too much plot left unknown. At this point unless they do a spin off for Kylo Ren, I doubt anything in the next few movies will satisfy me regarding his failed training with Luke.
I also didn't like how Disney announced they were blowing up the cannon of Star Wars only to revert to some of the main themes from it. Not that I have read anything other than wikipedia explanations but the Han/Leia kid turning to the dark side was always something from those books and I kind of wish JJ had gone a slightly different route here.

My other problem was we see how difficult and time consuming the training was for Luke. For Rey to have no formal training in the force and to fight off Kylo Ren's mind control, well call me a bit underwhelmed. I guess the force just randomly resides in people or remains latent until they need it? Something tells me we are going to get more of her backstory in the future and that her parents' identity will come out to be some familiar faces. I also could see a mile away the big death scene coming and I wish I felt more emotion to seeing a beloved character die, but I was kind of like "meh." Captain phantasm (or whatever the Game of Thrones lady's name was) didn't have nearly as much screen time as I had hoped, but hopefully we get more of her in future films.

Finally, my biggest criticism, but also maybe why I liked the movie so much, was how closely the plot felt like an extended version of New Hope. Very similar plots lines here. Looking objectively at the movie, I think JJ could have spread his wings a little more here.

But all that said, this was the Star Wars movie I had been waiting for since the 1980's. It delivered in a big time way and I really am looking forward to seeing the future installments. Hopefully Luke has a bigger role other than just serving as a mentor.
Regarding the canon, I am a fan of the films and nothing more. I know the expanded universe stuff was out there, and I knew the Jedi twin stories have been told. But I could care less about all of that. That said, I had a feeling that Ren would be Solo's son. It's too good of a story not to be told. And I figured Rey was his sister. But they never seemed to go the sister route in this film. If they did, it wasn't done right. I guess they could be building toward that right? But what was the deal with the embrace between Leia and Rey at the end. Two strangers embracing like that was odd-given how the story was told.
 
I didn't like Kylo Ren. He was a little bitch. Allowed himself to get owned by Rey who had zero training, and allowed himself to get shot from a blaster? I guess that wound was suppose to make up for him not fairing so well in the saber duel, but come one. I guess he will continue his training with Snoke, and come back as a bigger and badder villain.

I could see that big death scene coming based solely on that actor doing a ton or press.

I certainly agree with the coincidences. That's lazy writing.

Will be interested to learn who Rey's mother/father is. Could be Han and Leia. Could be Luke. Or even someone else. Obi-Wan even.
 
My original post from the other thread.

I thought The Force Awakens was ok. Not great. Not bad. But ok. The biggest issue I have is that the main villain, Kylo Ren. He is essentially... a little bitch. Almost comical at times. For a character once trained by a certain character, his skills are definitely lacking. The First Order does not feel very threatening, even though they are capable of destroying planets. I think there were a few too many coincidences (like characters just happening to cross paths at the same time) and that is lazy. What I liked what that the effects were not overwhelming. At least, I didn't notice too much stuff happening at the same time just for the sake of doing so. There was a lot of what seemed to be non technical effects, like alien costumes and droids that seemed to have authenticity to them. These could have been CGI too, but it wasn't noticeable.
 
I am a fan of the films and nostalgic by nature. So the original characters were important to me. But I found the first acts of the film, which contained all the new characters, to be very good. And it did go a bit downhill after that (once they inexplicably ran into Han). That's saying something because I was worried about the casting of the new characters. I thought they were pretty good. My daughter on the other hand hated the Finn, Poe and Ren character. She thought they were miscast. One thing I just realized when my autocorrect tried to change Ren to Ben as I typed it....that was almost a throw away line when Han called him Ben. He did say that right? No character named Ben in a Star Wars film will stay dark side forever.
 
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My original post from the other thread.

I thought The Force Awakens was ok. Not great. Not bad. But ok. The biggest issue I have is that the main villain, Kylo Ren. He is essentially... a little bitch. Almost comical at times. For a character once trained by a certain character, his skills are definitely lacking. The First Order does not feel very threatening, even though they are capable of destroying planets. I think there were a few too many coincidences (like characters just happening to cross paths at the same time) and that is lazy. What I liked what that the effects were not overwhelming. At least, I didn't notice too much stuff happening at the same time just for the sake of doing so. There was a lot of what seemed to be non technical effects, like alien costumes and droids that seemed to have authenticity to them. These could have been CGI too, but it wasn't noticeable.
agree with you on the effects not being overwhelming. To me that's what makes the film so enjoyable. I don't enjoy the Marvel movies but I did see Guardians of the Galaxy which wasn't bad. But the effects in that movie were so busy and over the top that it made my head spin. I liked the more simplictic approach in this film.
 
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agree with you on the effects not being overwhelming. To me that's what makes the film so enjoyable. I don't enjoy the Marvel movies but I did see Guardians of the Galaxy which wasn't bad. But the effects in that movie were so busy and over the top that it made my head spin. I liked the more simplictic approach in this film.

I'm pretty certain there were a sh*t ton of effects that were done so well so we didn't notice them. Look the new mad Max movie. The amount of effect there would knock your socks off, but they were done so well people didn't notice most of it. I didn't until I watched a video on youtube about it. Interesting stuff.
 
A few scattered thoughts as I'm still processing the film.

I absolutely loved it. Definitely an A for me. I think talk of an Oscar nomination is stupid, but it was absolutely the Star Wars film I wanted.

I thought the new cast (Poe, Finn, and Rey) were all great. I definitely am way more invested in their stories than I was the new characters from the prequel trilogy. I like the relationships they were building between Rey and Finn and Finn and Poe. Great stuff.

I thought Kylo was a great character. Adam Driver did such a better job than Hayden Christensen at portraying that crazy, unbalanced mindset that comes with being seduced by the dark side. As for him being "a bitch," I think that's intentional. It's clear from what Snoke says that his training is incomplete. So I like that he wasn't OP.

The old characters were used perfectly. I thought the interactions on the Falcon with Han were well done. I'm sad to see Han go out like that though.

I kinda hope Rey is just some girl. Though if I was a better man I'd say she's Luke's kid. If she were Han and Leia's daughter I think they would have mentioned that, since Kylo's parentage wasn't a mystery.

I thought the tone of this movie was much more like the original trilogy. There was plenty of humor (there was quite a bit in the OT that I had forgotten). There was also more banter. I felt like that playful banter was missing from the prequels and I was happy to see it back. I also felt like the homages to the OT were far more subtle than in the prequels. There, you could tell Lucas thought "Oh, they love lightsabers, let me throw in 1000x in some Gladiator battle." This movie was way more subtle. Just little things, like the sounds Imperial Droids make, really was a nice touch for me.

@ratking17 If you are interested in seeing Vader wipe out the Jedi, I'd suggest taking a look at the Star Wars Rebels cartoon. Yes, it's geared towards kids, but it's actually pretty entertaining and you get to see the Empire hunt down the surviving Jedi.

My complaints are limited to one, really. At times, I felt like I was watching a remake of A New Hope. I understand why they went that route. There's a lot riding on this film's success and they needed to win back the goodwill of the fans. But I wish Abrams had taken more risks. I hope that Ep. 8 and 9 are willing to go down their own course.

Lots more to think about. I need a second viewing.
 
Ski I follow and agreed with your assessment. If episode 8 and 9 though just repeat similar stuff then I will lower the ranking of force awakens. I don't want to see kylo turn good, he needs to get more evil.

I get the sense that jj's goal was to purge the bad taste from our mouths due to the sequels. He accomplished this 10 times over
 
A few scattered thoughts as I'm still processing the film.

I absolutely loved it. Definitely an A for me. I think talk of an Oscar nomination is stupid, but it was absolutely the Star Wars film I wanted.

I thought the new cast (Poe, Finn, and Rey) were all great. I definitely am way more invested in their stories than I was the new characters from the prequel trilogy. I like the relationships they were building between Rey and Finn and Finn and Poe. Great stuff.

I thought Kylo was a great character. Adam Driver did such a better job than Hayden Christensen at portraying that crazy, unbalanced mindset that comes with being seduced by the dark side. As for him being "a bitch," I think that's intentional. It's clear from what Snoke says that his training is incomplete. So I like that he wasn't OP.

The old characters were used perfectly. I thought the interactions on the Falcon with Han were well done. I'm sad to see Han go out like that though.

I kinda hope Rey is just some girl. Though if I was a better man I'd say she's Luke's kid. If she were Han and Leia's daughter I think they would have mentioned that, since Kylo's parentage wasn't a mystery.

I thought the tone of this movie was much more like the original trilogy. There was plenty of humor (there was quite a bit in the OT that I had forgotten). There was also more banter. I felt like that playful banter was missing from the prequels and I was happy to see it back. I also felt like the homages to the OT were far more subtle than in the prequels. There, you could tell Lucas thought "Oh, they love lightsabers, let me throw in 1000x in some Gladiator battle." This movie was way more subtle. Just little things, like the sounds Imperial Droids make, really was a nice touch for me.

@ratking17 If you are interested in seeing Vader wipe out the Jedi, I'd suggest taking a look at the Star Wars Rebels cartoon. Yes, it's geared towards kids, but it's actually pretty entertaining and you get to see the Empire hunt down the surviving Jedi.

My complaints are limited to one, really. At times, I felt like I was watching a remake of A New Hope. I understand why they went that route. There's a lot riding on this film's success and they needed to win back the goodwill of the fans. But I wish Abrams had taken more risks. I hope that Ep. 8 and 9 are willing to go down their own course.

Lots more to think about. I need a second viewing.
I need a 2nd viewing too. In following the progression of the original trilogy, the 2nd film will be darker and Ren will have his day. I would guess he comes back bigger and badder. For Rey to be that powerful without any training, she has to be a skywalker descendent right? Unless she's a descendent of Papatine! How's that for a twist.
 
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I kinda hope Rey is just some girl. Though if I was a better man I'd say she's Luke's kid. If she were Han and Leia's daughter I think they would have mentioned that, since Kylo's parentage wasn't a mystery.

I suspect that the older dude in the beginning was in the same location to keep an eye on Rey, just like Obi-Wan did with Luke. I might have missed something here.
 
Ski I follow and agreed with your assessment. If episode 8 and 9 though just repeat similar stuff then I will lower the ranking of force awakens. I don't want to see kylo turn good, he needs to get more evil.

I get the sense that jj's goal was to purge the bad taste from our mouths due to the sequels. He accomplished this 10 times over

Yeah, I definitely think the goal of this movie was "Feel like Star Wars. Win back fans. Tap into nostalgia the RIGHT way. Make the fans care about the new characters."

I think they succeeded across the board. But yeah, May '17 can't get here soon enough.

I need a 2nd viewing too. In following the progression of the original trilogy, the 2nd film will be darker and Ren will have his day. I would guess he comes back bigger and badder. For Rey to be that powerful without any training, she has to be a skywalker descendent right? Unless she's a descendent of Papatine! How's that for a twist.

There was an awesome fan theory that Rey's staff was actually Darth Plagueis's staff. I think that would have been cool. Part of me thinks it'd be great if she was a Skywalker, but part of me wants her to be just a girl. As long as it's well done. But I fear they go back to the "I am your father/son/daughter/cousin" well one too many times.
 
I'm pretty certain there were a sh*t ton of effects that were done so well so we didn't notice them. Look the new mad Max movie. The amount of effect there would knock your socks off, but they were done so well people didn't notice most of it. I didn't until I watched a video on youtube about it. Interesting stuff.
That Mad Max film is getting Oscar consideration I hear. I hear what you are saying about effects. Certainly there's a difference between effects with noise and clutter. The Force Awakens didn't have the noise and clutter.

I read the spoiler months ago about the Han death scene being shot at Pinewood Studios in the UK. So I unfortunately knew it was coming. But it's hard to comprehend that the setting in which he met his demise was filmed in such a place.
 
A few more points.

1: Going back to Kylo the Bitch - The more I think about it, the more I like how Driver played him. I liked how he kept punching his blaster wound during the saber fight with Finn and Rey.

2: Two of my favorite banter moments were during the infiltration of the base. First when Han looks at Finn and says "that's not how the Force works." And when he kept gesturing with his chin to Rey climbing around the base.
 
I originally thought that Rey had to be Kylo's sister, especially after the long hug with Leia. I also may be unduly influenced by one of the few books I've read that takes place after Return (though I know they aren't canon anymore). But I'm warming up to the daughter of Luke theory. That would still make Leia her aunt so the hug would make more sense. And it can't be as simple as her being a random girl - there is some reason she was dumped on that planet alone and told that someone would be back for her. Jedi's aren't supposed to have children, so maybe she was some secret love child that needed to be hidden...but maybe that secret is what somehow ruined Luke's attempt to revive the Jedi?

I'm also hoping we get more backstory on what Luke did and that failure, the Knights of Ren, and Kylo's turn to the dark side. I like happy endings, so I would still be a sucker for him turning back to the light - maybe the mother can succeed there where the father failed?
 
Upon a 2nd viewing I still liked it a lot. A few things I picked up on and listened to more closely.

Rey is absolutely know by Leia and Han. When Han is at Maz Kanta's castle, Maz says to Han, "so who is the girl?" In my opinion, implying that there is something special there. Additionally, when Maz presents the light sabre to her, she mentions the lineage of the skywalker family. Add to it that Leia just hugs her without an introduction and yeah, she is a skywalker of some sorts in my opinion.

During the dream sequence, somehow I missed it the first time through, but that is not a dream but rather the future. The snow scene played out exactly as in her vision, but the question I have is that someone (not Han) gets stabbed with a light sabre. Not being able to pause and see who it is, I guess I will have to wait until the blue ray to see the answer.

One other thing that I glossed over, but caught the actual verbage this time around, was the Luke was training future Jedi's at the Jedi temple and when Kylo Ren turned, he stopped and went into seclusion. So that begs the question are there additional jedi out there?

Also when Kylo Ren was reading Rey's mind, he mentions seeing the map and an island surrounded by water. I can only assume he knows the location of Luke now as well.

Finally, someone mentioned above about Han calling out to Kylo on the bridge and I would swear that he calls him "Ben". That would make sense as a tribute to Kanobi.
 
Upon a 2nd viewing I still liked it a lot. A few things I picked up on and listened to more closely.

Rey is absolutely know by Leia and Han. When Han is at Maz Kanta's castle, Maz says to Han, "so who is the girl?" In my opinion, implying that there is something special there. Additionally, when Maz presents the light sabre to her, she mentions the lineage of the skywalker family. Add to it that Leia just hugs her without an introduction and yeah, she is a skywalker of some sorts in my opinion.

During the dream sequence, somehow I missed it the first time through, but that is not a dream but rather the future. The snow scene played out exactly as in her vision, but the question I have is that someone (not Han) gets stabbed with a light sabre. Not being able to pause and see who it is, I guess I will have to wait until the blue ray to see the answer.

One other thing that I glossed over, but caught the actual verbage this time around, was the Luke was training future Jedi's at the Jedi temple and when Kylo Ren turned, he stopped and went into seclusion. So that begs the question are there additional jedi out there?

Also when Kylo Ren was reading Rey's mind, he mentions seeing the map and an island surrounded by water. I can only assume he knows the location of Luke now as well.

Finally, someone mentioned above about Han calling out to Kylo on the bridge and I would swear that he calls him "Ben". That would make sense as a tribute to Kanobi.

I was pleased with how well it held up after a second viewing on my part. I loved the air fights. It has me excited for the Rogue Squadron movie.

I think Rey is Luke's daughter. I thought her and Kylo were possibly siblings, but nobody acknowledged her as such but they did with Kylo/Ben. As for the Jedi, I thought it looked like Kylo and the Knights of Ren killed them all and that's why Luke left. At least, that's what I got from Rey's vision.
 
Weird that they named their kid Ben. Han and Leia never really had a personal attachment to Kenobi.
 
He definitely called him Ben. It seems as though part of turning to the dark side is taking a new name, cutting all connections to the past?

Jealous some of you have gone twice already. I think I'm going to go 3d with the best sound I can find the next time.
 
Upon a 2nd viewing I still liked it a lot. A few things I picked up on and listened to more closely.

Rey is absolutely know by Leia and Han. When Han is at Maz Kanta's castle, Maz says to Han, "so who is the girl?" In my opinion, implying that there is something special there. Additionally, when Maz presents the light sabre to her, she mentions the lineage of the skywalker family. Add to it that Leia just hugs her without an introduction and yeah, she is a skywalker of some sorts in my opinion.

During the dream sequence, somehow I missed it the first time through, but that is not a dream but rather the future. The snow scene played out exactly as in her vision, but the question I have is that someone (not Han) gets stabbed with a light sabre. Not being able to pause and see who it is, I guess I will have to wait until the blue ray to see the answer.

One other thing that I glossed over, but caught the actual verbage this time around, was the Luke was training future Jedi's at the Jedi temple and when Kylo Ren turned, he stopped and went into seclusion. So that begs the question are there additional jedi out there?

Also when Kylo Ren was reading Rey's mind, he mentions seeing the map and an island surrounded by water. I can only assume he knows the location of Luke now as well.

Finally, someone mentioned above about Han calling out to Kylo on the bridge and I would swear that he calls him "Ben". That would make sense as a tribute to Kanobi.
Earlier I mentioned the progression of the original trilogy and how this trilogy seems to be following it. If that's the case, the next installment will be darker. We saw the Knights of Ren, but I would expect to learn more about them in episode 8. I am also interested in Snoke and who he is. Lastly, not sure if I saw it here, but there is something odd about the apparent rivalry between Hux and Ren, and Snoke seems to be instigating it. Could they be cousins? That would be a real twist. But not sure we even know Hux survived. I did see Christie signed on for another movie, so Phasma survived.
 
Earlier I mentioned the progression of the original trilogy and how this trilogy seems to be following it. If that's the case, the next installment will be darker. We saw the Knights of Ren, but I would expect to learn more about them in episode 8. I am also interested in Snoke and who he is. Lastly, not sure if I saw it here, but there is something odd about the apparent rivalry between Hux and Ren, and Snoke seems to be instigating it. Could they be cousins? That would be a real twist. But not sure we even know Hux survived. I did see Christie signed on for another movie, so Phasma survived.

There are only so many stories you can really tell in the SW universe, but I hope the next two don't mirror the OT too much. I didn't mind it for this one, but I hope the next two take some risks.

My first viewing was in 3D and my second in 2D. This is one film where I really felt like the 3D was a great and worthwhile addition.
 
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Hux survives as snoke tells him to bring kylo ren to him to complete rens training as the planet is imploding at the end. I am glad all of the villians survived it would appear
 
I am leaving in a few here to see it for the first time and I already know all the spoilers. I like it that way. I want to be able to piece together as I watch.

One theory I've heard is that Snoke might be Darth Plagues which I think would be a solid story line...


I'll be back in a few hours.
 
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I was pretty blown away at how good Force Awakens was. The grit and action was so much better than the prequal in which the actions scenes made me feel like I was watching a cartoon on steriods because he so over did the CGI. I'm also not one of the people that beats up on the prequals for the sake of piling on and don't get me started on the goofy kiddy shit in them too. This film got back to being more serious. The prequals did have one thing I liked though... that was the back drop on cities, civilization and the cradle of the Republic. The only thing I didn't like about the original was it made it seem like that entire galaxy was nothing but planets of deserts, swamps and frozen tundra. This movie went back to that except for one scene when a city planet gets blown up. I hope they incorporate more interesting back drops in the new films. Because this film's version of another Tatioone and Hoth with different names don't really need revisited. I hope they can continue to use what was great about the original three with a splash of the technology used in the prequals? They are moving in the right direction though. But overall wildly entertaining and looking forward to see where they go from here.

Then there is the story line. Much better energy and script than the prequals. Definitely feel more connected with these characters. Hated seein Solo die... but everyone knows that's what Ford wanted. Need some explaining why Ray is already so force strong with no training?
 
I enjoyed it. I found it to be a really good movie with plenty of nostalgia to satisfy those of us that grew up with the original trilogy. However, I thought it failed to live up to the hype. (anything would with this amount of hype) At its core, its basically the same recycled formula with a very well crafted blend of the past and present.

As for a negative... I'll go ahead and say it since I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking it... What the hell is up with Carrie Fisher? Princess Leia was a strong willed feisty leader that was borderline bitch. She seemed lost. She played the part like she was Betty White with too much Depakote in her system. I thought every scene with her on camera came across as very awkward.
 
The first hour was great. Second hour I could have done with less comedy, thought the light saber fight was terrible and was wondering why there was no excitement over destroying the Starkiller Spaceship?

Also, Kylo Rey, leave your mask on. You're cooler with it on, not off.
 
I enjoyed it. I found it to be a really good movie with plenty of nostalgia to satisfy those of us that grew up with the original trilogy. However, I thought it failed to live up to the hype. (anything would with this amount of hype) At its core, its basically the same recycled formula with a very well crafted blend of the past and present.

As for a negative... I'll go ahead and say it since I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking it... What the hell is up with Carrie Fisher? Princess Leia was a strong willed feisty leader that was borderline bitch. She seemed lost. She played the part like she was Betty White with too much Depakote in her system. I thought every scene with her on camera came across as very awkward.

Well two fold... one Carrie Fisher doesn't act much anymore. Plus the character has lived a pretty sad and intense life. It catches up with you when you have a father who's a sith and because of your daddy issues you immerse yourself in your work which happens to be in the Military then your kid goes off and becomes a homicidal maniac like your dad basically playing out all of your fears to come true.
 
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Carrie Fisher's life has not exactly gone according to plan and if you see how she behaves in interviews, I think you would all agree that her acting actually stole the show as she was able to effectively deliver her lines.

In reading speculation online about Rey's ability to use the force with no on screen training, there are a couple of theories out there:

Obviously one is that she is a decent of skywalker (either luke's daughter or Han's?), but I think that would be too easy.
Another theory is that she was part of the young jedi training under Luke and when Kylo went crazy, maybe he killed some of the Jedi and she was taken to Jarkuu to hide from him.

As I stated above, watching the movie a 2nd time, it is clear that people somehow know or "feel" her in some way. Maz asks Han "who is the girl." Snoke is possibly referencing her when he says "there has been an awakening."
 
Keeping with the kid theme, any chance Lando banged Leia and Finn is their illegitimate child? He tried to hit on her in Empire, and Finn has some of the same traits in that he can't be trusted and has no problem switching sides at the drop of a hat. Its also fairly obvious Finn is trying to get in Rey's pants.
 
Keeping with the kid theme, any chance Lando banged Leia and Finn is their illegitimate child? He tried to hit on her in Empire, and Finn has some of the same traits in that he can't be trusted and has no problem switching sides at the drop of a hat. Its also fairly obvious Finn is trying to get in Rey's pants.
Were you drunk when you posted that? Because if you tried to be funny, you failed significantly.
 
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Uh, actually I was being serious. It was just a thought that came across my mind, as I was wondering what happened to Lando. Its interesting that he can get a part in The Lego Move but not in The Force Awakens. And you have to admit, Finn's behavior pattern is bizarre and borderline creepy.
 
Uh, actually I was being serious. It was just a thought that came across my mind, as I was wondering what happened to Lando. Its interesting that he can get a part in The Lego Move but not in The Force Awakens. And you have to admit, Finn's behavior pattern is bizarre and borderline creepy.

Yeah...that will play out well with the younger demographic that Disney is targeting. lol.


There is the possibility of Lando having a role moving forward. Williams has left the door open and may be hiding behind the secrecy of the Disney/star wars projects. He has alluded to the possibility. I kinda expect him to be involved in a supporting role.
 
As I mentioned instead of going to the Star Wars movie my wife and I watched something infinitely more interesting the 2009 replay of the PITT /Cinny game.
Just to update everyone we lost again. Wanny didn't learn anything for the first game unfortunately.
 
My daughter popped the OT blue rays into the player. Does anyone know why the music and effects are incredibly loud, while we can barely hear the dialog. Has anyone ever experienced this and know how to correct it?
 
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