Right. I think he went into semi-retirement after the initial fan reaction. Thought "screw these mothereffers, I got $10 million, they dont deserve me to give them a great team."
Stallings was fired because
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And if he had 5 blue-chippers signed, those videos would have been ignored...for at least 12 months.
That's a big "if," considering both the subsequent movements of those players specifically and of college players generally.
Firing Stallings was not a mistake. Time will give us a clear answer on the Capel hire being a success or a failure. Three years in, I admit it appears to be tipping toward the latter. Stallings, no, we had seen enough.
Considering Aaron Thompson bailed way before he’s a silly dude to hang onto
carr is a good player
the rest are mediocre to embarrassing at best
IMO, firing Stallings and hiring Capel should be seen as mutually exclusive. Even if Capel doesn’t work out, it doesn’t change whether or not Stallings should’ve been fired.
My only question is why does Capel get a chance to destroy the team “twice”?
He built something and watched it fall apart. He deserves another chance?
When was the first time? And I think whether the current situation is a “destroyed team” isn’t a certainty. Lots of people would argue otherwise.
Half the damn team left, we collapsed again and have zero recruits or commitments lined up right now. I think destroyed is a fairly accurate description.
No one would argue (I think) that what was being built is no longer in place.
He may be able to recover, but the bulk of the original work/plan is lost.
No?
Okay so this is once. But even somebody not following college basketball understands its complete free agency among the players right now. We are NOT the only school in this situation.
You don’t sense this would have happened here regardless of year?
Be Honest.
This year is to Capel’s advantage, not detriment. It is giving him an “undeserved“ chance.
This is almost like another test for Capel. He lost most of his team but crazily, there are quality transfers coming out of everywhere. If he cannot sell himself and the program to the point where he can put a better team on the floor next year, what hope is there that he will ever get it done. The guy is a recruiter, right? We didn't hire him because of his intricate coaching style.
Something happened in that locker room, no doubt. As I said in another thread, I will always appreciate X, Trey and Audiese for unselfishly coming to Pitt after an 0-18 conference season.
To bring in ANY level of talent after that kind of disaster, maybe I’m in the minority but I found that to be an unbelievable job by Capel. Let’s see how all this turns out. We all agree we need some momentum.
You’re right. I’m just frustrated and saying hurtful things
If we’re comparing his situation to Stallings, I think it boils down to a few factors. IMO, one of them is that we’ve shown flashes of potential that we never did under the previous staff between recruiting classes and early-mid season performances. That at least buys him another year or two to figure out how to take the “next step,” especially considering there’s likely not as much money for a buyout now due to Covid and paying off Stallings’ contract, which is the other factor. Along with that, Capel is Lyke’s hire; Stallings wasn’t. That likely gives him an added benefit as well.
Also, one more thought: if what we’ve read about the mid-season departures are true and it was a “mutual decision,” that means that Capel thought that the program would be better off without them. I’m assuming he’s been in communication with Lyke and likely divulged some type of plan that he has to rebuild the roster before next season either before their departures or while it was happening. If they’re at least on the same page and have a plan in place, then that’s another reason why. Just some food for thought.
Also, if Stallings had offered every Pitt fan $100,000 to let him stay another year people would have been in favor of him getting another year.
And both of those two things were equally likely to happen.
Funny he was Duke's best recruiter when he was on K's staff. He doesn't have a lot to sell here. A fickle fan base, no local recruiting base to lean on and no cache.
Of course. The one thing I’ll say to try to cheer you (and others) up is that at the end of the day, it isn’t the end of the world. Their offseason rebuilding plan likely didn’t come down to whether or not West committed. It would’ve been nice kick this recruiting class off, but they likely still have a lot of options.
Completely agree. I think we all were just praying for some momentum after watching player after player leave.
None of what you said matters at all. He sells himself. That's it. Kids either want to play for you or they dont. You think kids love Morgantown? Is North Central WV pumping out D1 talent?
Wait, isn't the guy that we are all disappointed that he's not coming here from North Central WV?
Maybe I misunderstood you - I thought you were referring to the second occasion as what happened this year, and I asked when the first time was.
My point is more that calling our roster turnover “destroying the team” is something that will require hindsight. If we’re a better team next year with whatever final roster we end up assembling, he wouldn’t have destroyed the team. But we can’t make that judgment yet IMO
I feel ya Doc. To be honest, I began to lose hope when that “Louisville donor” posted here yesterday. Something about hoping for the best yet expecting the worst as a Pitt fan...
We’re all frustrated. None of us are happy with the season and the transfers. But we don’t want to over react and call for Capel’s head at this point. I think we should be patient as a fan base and allow him to fix things . After a certain time if he fails then it’s time to reevaluate...
You literally joined an insurrectionist cult to pledge loyalty to that builder
So that’s a fascinating analogy
Well here’s another fact. So was Dixon.
And another fact - it only matters who #1 is.
Then 3/4 of all college coaches would be looking for work right now. This is not a fair comparison.
I am not talking about a down season or two after success.
I am talking about not being able to handle and maintain your materials on hand. To basically admit defects in your work and scrap what you have done.
Thatisnot 3/4 of coaches.
GaryQJan6 is nothing if not consistent with conspiracy nonsense
no question, that’s why I said he was close to doing it and didn’t actually do it.
Oh I know. And after reading my response it kinda seemed a bit harsh which wasn’t my intent. I’ve just been pretty consistent about lists and top whatevers. I wasn’t at one time but all that matters is who signs.
And not for nothing it’s more annoying now that ever with kids announcing top 15s and such. That transfer from FIU tweeted he was considering near 30 schools. Please.
Or maybe they just saw immediate playing time available within an ACC program and winning wasn't important to them. And then once the excuses of inexperience wore off after a couple years and the pressure mounted to actual win, requiring they act unselfishly, they showed who they really were?
The minute he was hired these same jackals, preaching give Capel 40 years, turned on him before his first press conference, hypocrites, I don't forget
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