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Here is the link. He said the same thing yesterday on the radio.
As the saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
As per Starkey:
The facts speak loudly. Over the past four seasons, Pitt is
• 36-36 in conference play
• 3-4 in conference tournaments
• 1-2 in the NCAA Tournament
I concur. The record where it matters most is sub 500.
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Like I posted yesterday
Jamie held Pitt hostage for raise after raise after raise when courted by other schools.
Now Pitt needs to hold JD accountable for more wins, Ncaa tourney apprarences and Ncaa tourney advancement past the sweet 16 to earn those raises he received.
SP and Chamcellor Nordenberg isn't around to protect him anymore. There is a new sherrif in town and JD better step up his recruiting and ACC winnings or a new coach will be in town
Just saying
Jamie held Pitt hostage for raise after raise after raise when courted by other schools.
Now Pitt needs to hold JD accountable for more wins, Ncaa tourney apprarences and Ncaa tourney advancement past the sweet 16 to earn those raises he received.
SP and Chamcellor Nordenberg isn't around to protect him anymore. There is a new sherrif in town and JD better step up his recruiting and ACC winnings or a new coach will be in town
Just saying
Re: Jamie was rewarded for his winning results. He owes NOTHING to Pitt.
You want to go that way, they are circus clowns. And if they don't entertain, then get new circus clowns.
Nor are they entitled anything from us except expectations of winning, and if they don't win, then we want change.
You want to go that way, they are circus clowns. And if they don't entertain, then get new circus clowns.
Re: Jamie was rewarded for his winning results. He owes NOTHING to Pitt.
I agree that fans are not entitled to anything from Pitt hoops but they do not need to buy tickets either. I suspect that you will see the fan base talking with their wallets when it comes time to purchase season tickets.
A lifetime contract at close to 3 million dollars is not a "reward" - it is a salary that commands performance. The performance over the past 4 years is sub-par.
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I agree that fans are not entitled to anything from Pitt hoops but they do not need to buy tickets either. I suspect that you will see the fan base talking with their wallets when it comes time to purchase season tickets.
A lifetime contract at close to 3 million dollars is not a "reward" - it is a salary that commands performance. The performance over the past 4 years is sub-par.
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Re: Jamie was rewarded for his winning results. He owes NOTHING to Pitt.
Honestly, besides Sean Miller (who some say would never come back), I'm not trading Jamie for any realistic option right now. He probably has, at minimum 2-3 more years to dig out and he will. He's earned that much.
All true but I would hope he was given that contract because the university felt there would be no other coach that we could reasonably get in the next 10 years (or however long the contract was) that would do a better job than Dixon. So, if that's the case, we have THE GUY right now who can get us out of this mess.
Honestly, besides Sean Miller (who some say would never come back), I'm not trading Jamie for any realistic option right now. He probably has, at minimum 2-3 more years to dig out and he will. He's earned that much.
Ticket sales have been going down for years.
We're not the "hot" item anymore. Looks like the Penguins are headed down, too, as guys get older.. When that happens, if Pitt gets stronger, again.....tix will be "hot" again. And if Pitt thinks it can do better than Jamie, they'll do it.
We're not the "hot" item anymore. Looks like the Penguins are headed down, too, as guys get older.. When that happens, if Pitt gets stronger, again.....tix will be "hot" again. And if Pitt thinks it can do better than Jamie, they'll do it.
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Huh? Jamie was in deed rewarded and paid comensurate with what he brought to the table prior to his nice new big extension. But to say Dixon owes Pitt nothing is beyond Looney Tunes. Dixon owes Pitt his undivided attention and loyalty to delivering the very best basketball team and program he is capable of delivering. Anyone that has any sense realizes there are always going to be ups and downs over the course of a program. However, the Starkey column was about as honest and factual as it gets. Time for Jamie to return to what got him the big new contract...which was playing in the conference championship game on a regular basis and advancing in the NCAA tournament. Hail to Pitt!
Huh? Jamie was in deed rewarded and paid comensurate with what he brought to the table prior to his nice new big extension. But to say Dixon owes Pitt nothing is beyond Looney Tunes. Dixon owes Pitt his undivided attention and loyalty to delivering the very best basketball team and program he is capable of delivering. Anyone that has any sense realizes there are always going to be ups and downs over the course of a program. However, the Starkey column was about as honest and factual as it gets. Time for Jamie to return to what got him the big new contract...which was playing in the conference championship game on a regular basis and advancing in the NCAA tournament. Hail to Pitt!
I totally agree with Starkey, the last 4 years have been sub par at best and I also disagree with Chris Peak, Dixon has to be accountable for this downward trend, sure we don't have the bodies,who's fault is that, after 12 years Pitt should have had stability. With anew recruits, sophs, juniors and some senior leadership, we don't havethat mix and after 12 years Pitt has no foundation It's not a program anymore and does not look like it will get any better next year this was an elite program but not anymore. The cheerleaders cheer is Jamie, jamie he's our man if he can't do it someone else can
Re: Ticket sales have been going down for years.
Here's the thing NTOP, I totally understand and respect the "careful what you wish for" comment. I really do. And for the past decade, Pitt fans have lived in some fear of Jamie jumping for greener pastures. Because he was having outstanding success and was in demand, and also the Williard era was fresh in our minds, so Pitt made the pasture pretty damn green in Oakland.
But.......it ain't that grand anymore here at the Pete. So there is (or should be) less of a fear. We seen what happened to Boston College when they rank of Al Skinner. That should be a cautionary tale. But when programs stop looking at Dixon as a possible head coach, well then, that isn't so good either. Is it?
Here's the thing NTOP, I totally understand and respect the "careful what you wish for" comment. I really do. And for the past decade, Pitt fans have lived in some fear of Jamie jumping for greener pastures. Because he was having outstanding success and was in demand, and also the Williard era was fresh in our minds, so Pitt made the pasture pretty damn green in Oakland.
But.......it ain't that grand anymore here at the Pete. So there is (or should be) less of a fear. We seen what happened to Boston College when they rank of Al Skinner. That should be a cautionary tale. But when programs stop looking at Dixon as a possible head coach, well then, that isn't so good either. Is it?
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Based on the intereviews, post game comments, etc, Jamie seems like he is very well aware that this team does not cut the mustard and is not playing his style of hoops.
Based on the intereviews, post game comments, etc, Jamie seems like he is very well aware that this team does not cut the mustard and is not playing his style of hoops.
That potential buyout of Dixon's long contract, coupled with his
frequent comments about wanting to stay here, are probably bigger factors than the current struggles. His national rep is still PDG, buttressed by lots of media respect...for a coach who is completely unquotable about 95% of the time. It's genuine, not hype.
If he doesn't turn it around pretty quickly, the heat will get worse, deservedly so. I'm pretty confident we'll be a much better team next year, and that should get us on a good path upward. The roster was really bare this year, some of it bad luck, lots of it poor recruiting results. That has to change.
frequent comments about wanting to stay here, are probably bigger factors than the current struggles. His national rep is still PDG, buttressed by lots of media respect...for a coach who is completely unquotable about 95% of the time. It's genuine, not hype.
If he doesn't turn it around pretty quickly, the heat will get worse, deservedly so. I'm pretty confident we'll be a much better team next year, and that should get us on a good path upward. The roster was really bare this year, some of it bad luck, lots of it poor recruiting results. That has to change.
Low hanging fruit.....
You can't argue with anything Starkey says in the article but my question is, what's the point? We all know these things are facts. It's a column that pretty much writes itself. Kind of a lazy effort in my view.
You can't argue with anything Starkey says in the article but my question is, what's the point? We all know these things are facts. It's a column that pretty much writes itself. Kind of a lazy effort in my view.
Of course Dixon owes Pitt his best efforts. But his salary is based
on results + competition for his services. So is yours, right? His CONTINUED EMPLOYMENT will be based on his future results. I don't think his effort has declined, and I don't expect the recent results will be repeated. If so, a tough call might be made. He'll get extra credits for running a clean program, good kids, good students, etc. But results on the court will be the main factor.
on results + competition for his services. So is yours, right? His CONTINUED EMPLOYMENT will be based on his future results. I don't think his effort has declined, and I don't expect the recent results will be repeated. If so, a tough call might be made. He'll get extra credits for running a clean program, good kids, good students, etc. But results on the court will be the main factor.
Should Huggins be on the hot seat too?
I mean, even at 36-36(which happens to include 2011 as the starting point where we were like 8 games under .500 in league and it eschews the data a bit), Pitt is still better in league than WVU who is two games under .500 for that same span. If Joe had used a 3 yr or a 5 yr sample the numbers look very different. Programs have ups and downs, and Pitt will be trending down until they aren't, which should be as soon as next year.
We're their columns written about the fall of WVU basketball, were calls for Huggins to be fired taken seriously? Of course not. WVU was trending down for 3 seasons, now they look back to what Huggins wants.
The reason is that they are both really good coaches and if anyone should get the opportunity to fix it it's Dixon.
I mean, even at 36-36(which happens to include 2011 as the starting point where we were like 8 games under .500 in league and it eschews the data a bit), Pitt is still better in league than WVU who is two games under .500 for that same span. If Joe had used a 3 yr or a 5 yr sample the numbers look very different. Programs have ups and downs, and Pitt will be trending down until they aren't, which should be as soon as next year.
We're their columns written about the fall of WVU basketball, were calls for Huggins to be fired taken seriously? Of course not. WVU was trending down for 3 seasons, now they look back to what Huggins wants.
The reason is that they are both really good coaches and if anyone should get the opportunity to fix it it's Dixon.
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Almost everyone I know thinks they should be earning more, including myself
I understand what drives compensation...trust me. But your statement that Dixon "owed Pitt nothing" is as I said, Looney Tunes. Our former women's coach delivered some pretty nice results when she took over a program that was in the gutter...and then the wheels fell off--and she was subsequently fired--as she should have been. The wheels on the Dixon bus have not fallen off...but he has certainly been having a tough time keeping the tires inflated and running smoothly. The next two years, at least in my book, will be critical for Dixon to show the past four years were not a trend. As for the clean program, well I guess it depends on what you mean by clean? Jamie has certainly had his share of problem kids--including one that is on a season long suspension as I type. He has had a revolving door for players...and whether it was performance or discipline related...seems to me that he really needs much more stability for the program. Hail to Pitt!
Almost everyone I know thinks they should be earning more, including myself
I understand what drives compensation...trust me. But your statement that Dixon "owed Pitt nothing" is as I said, Looney Tunes. Our former women's coach delivered some pretty nice results when she took over a program that was in the gutter...and then the wheels fell off--and she was subsequently fired--as she should have been. The wheels on the Dixon bus have not fallen off...but he has certainly been having a tough time keeping the tires inflated and running smoothly. The next two years, at least in my book, will be critical for Dixon to show the past four years were not a trend. As for the clean program, well I guess it depends on what you mean by clean? Jamie has certainly had his share of problem kids--including one that is on a season long suspension as I type. He has had a revolving door for players...and whether it was performance or discipline related...seems to me that he really needs much more stability for the program. Hail to Pitt!Reply
Well why would one of the Pittsburgh rags do an article about WVU being an average program in 2015? Last I checked, WVU was ranked and heading for a nice seed in the Dance. Perhaps you have a short memory...but the WVU "faithful" were not happy with Huggins during their "dip" and were anything but understanding and patient. Fans expect wins...and multi-million dollar compensated coaches are expected to deliver them.
If you are looking for an article/column that compares Huggins to Dixon...perhaps you could author one? Some of you have the very thinnest of skin, especially when what is said is 100% based upon the facts. If Jamie is the coach that you and many of us think he is...the program will bounce back and be as good or better than ever. If it happens, you can be quite sure that one of the rags will do a story/column on that as well. Sometimes adversity is a good thing. Let's see what Coach Dixon does with it. Hail to Pitt!
Well why would one of the Pittsburgh rags do an article about WVU being an average program in 2015? Last I checked, WVU was ranked and heading for a nice seed in the Dance. Perhaps you have a short memory...but the WVU "faithful" were not happy with Huggins during their "dip" and were anything but understanding and patient. Fans expect wins...and multi-million dollar compensated coaches are expected to deliver them.
If you are looking for an article/column that compares Huggins to Dixon...perhaps you could author one? Some of you have the very thinnest of skin, especially when what is said is 100% based upon the facts. If Jamie is the coach that you and many of us think he is...the program will bounce back and be as good or better than ever. If it happens, you can be quite sure that one of the rags will do a story/column on that as well. Sometimes adversity is a good thing. Let's see what Coach Dixon does with it. Hail to Pitt!
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I'm pretty sure when someone says Jamie runs a clean program it means he's not Calhoun, Boeheim, Pearl, Sampson, etc. I don't think anyone's too surprised when a kid does something worthy of a suspension. That kind of stuff is more thank likely gonna happen on every team at every level.
I'm pretty sure when someone says Jamie runs a clean program it means he's not Calhoun, Boeheim, Pearl, Sampson, etc. I don't think anyone's too surprised when a kid does something worthy of a suspension. That kind of stuff is more thank likely gonna happen on every team at every level.
Well, I hope you're getting big checks!
But folks are b*tching about his salary....which is based on his prior results. He owes not a penny of that to Pitt....sorry if my wording was obtuse. His position and performance should be reviewed and judged every year. If he's not up to whatever standard Pitt has established, he needs to be on probation or fired. Obviously one season, or 2 of 4, shouldn't be enough to do that. But we're all judged on performance (except gov't employees, it seems), so the drama continues. I'm pretty damn sure that NO ONE is more upset than Jamie Dixon.
But folks are b*tching about his salary....which is based on his prior results. He owes not a penny of that to Pitt....sorry if my wording was obtuse. His position and performance should be reviewed and judged every year. If he's not up to whatever standard Pitt has established, he needs to be on probation or fired. Obviously one season, or 2 of 4, shouldn't be enough to do that. But we're all judged on performance (except gov't employees, it seems), so the drama continues. I'm pretty damn sure that NO ONE is more upset than Jamie Dixon.
Re: I think it was pretty clear that whirly meant ...
Because WVU and PSU are only local when they are good.
Re: I think it was pretty clear that whirly meant ...
In the last 14 years:
Years that Pitt had a better year than WVU:
2002
2003
2004
2006
2007
2008
2009
2011
2013
2014
Years that WVU had a better year than Pitt:
2005
2010
2012
2015
10 to 4.
In the last 14 years:
Years that Pitt had a better year than WVU:
2002
2003
2004
2006
2007
2008
2009
2011
2013
2014
Years that WVU had a better year than Pitt:
2005
2010
2012
2015
10 to 4.
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Well I'm not certain that I agree that the article suggested or even implied that Jamie was on the "hot seat." So putting that aside, presuming there was nothing in either Pittsburgh rag about Huggins, one way or the other last season, my guess is the guys that write did not figure it would draw much interest. The reason I have no idea whether such an article appeared or not...is that I would have skipped it...as I have no interest in WVU or Huggins. Generally speaking, I do not believe you see many editorial/column type articles on out of town teams...they seem primarily on subject of Pitt, Steelers, Pirates, and Penguins [as it should be]. But back to my comment...why such thin skin? Does it really matter what Starkey has to say...particularly when it was 100% factual? I think you said it...he is only stating the obvious and what some of Pitt's best fans have been saying/observing.
By the way, Jamie has received some pretty tremendous coverage by the media this season...so I really don't get the complaint at all. Hail to Pitt!
Well I'm not certain that I agree that the article suggested or even implied that Jamie was on the "hot seat." So putting that aside, presuming there was nothing in either Pittsburgh rag about Huggins, one way or the other last season, my guess is the guys that write did not figure it would draw much interest. The reason I have no idea whether such an article appeared or not...is that I would have skipped it...as I have no interest in WVU or Huggins. Generally speaking, I do not believe you see many editorial/column type articles on out of town teams...they seem primarily on subject of Pitt, Steelers, Pirates, and Penguins [as it should be]. But back to my comment...why such thin skin? Does it really matter what Starkey has to say...particularly when it was 100% factual? I think you said it...he is only stating the obvious and what some of Pitt's best fans have been saying/observing.
By the way, Jamie has received some pretty tremendous coverage by the media this season...so I really don't get the complaint at all. Hail to Pitt!
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Four seems like a normal number when looking at a college program...since in theory, that is the cycle of a college student in the program. Selecting 3 or 5 seems more like cherry-picking to me. But if you want to put those numbers out there...you will note the trend is quite similar...that Pitt has trended downward towards mediocrity compared to where they had been--which from my perspective, was the focus of the column. Does anyone really suggest that is not true? Seems to me he is only stating the very obvious. Hail to Pitt!
Four seems like a normal number when looking at a college program...since in theory, that is the cycle of a college student in the program. Selecting 3 or 5 seems more like cherry-picking to me. But if you want to put those numbers out there...you will note the trend is quite similar...that Pitt has trended downward towards mediocrity compared to where they had been--which from my perspective, was the focus of the column. Does anyone really suggest that is not true? Seems to me he is only stating the very obvious. Hail to Pitt!
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the issue is that the last four years have marked a downward trend as evidences by the numbers in Starkey's article. If we had a one-off season, no big deal. But the trend is what is concerning.
I think the personnel issues--recruiting misses, taking on transfers who don't fill a need, etc--are the biggest reason for this by far. So I believe it can be fixed by the same guy who created our high expectations in the first place.
the issue is that the last four years have marked a downward trend as evidences by the numbers in Starkey's article. If we had a one-off season, no big deal. But the trend is what is concerning.
I think the personnel issues--recruiting misses, taking on transfers who don't fill a need, etc--are the biggest reason for this by far. So I believe it can be fixed by the same guy who created our high expectations in the first place.
Generally speaking, I don't disagree with anything that you say here ...
... although I don't know where anyone was suggesting a hot seat for Dixon.
I also don't have a single problem with Starkey's article, nor the timing of it, etc. And to me, nor does it matter much what he says anyway, as you suggest.
However, it is, at least, slightly irritating that there is often no coverage of PSU/West Virginia in the local media unless they are winning.
I do realize that if we were playing at the same level as WVU, the coverage on Pitt would be equally positive. But it does at times at least have a slight feel of unfair journalism to compare to Pitt to WVU/PSU when the it reflects poorly on Pitt, but rarely (ever?) does one see the comparison in the other direction.
Again, like you suggest, it does not matter much to me what the local writers say in this regard, especially if it's factual. But I can see why it would rub some the wrong way, at least to a slight degree.
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... although I don't know where anyone was suggesting a hot seat for Dixon.
I also don't have a single problem with Starkey's article, nor the timing of it, etc. And to me, nor does it matter much what he says anyway, as you suggest.
However, it is, at least, slightly irritating that there is often no coverage of PSU/West Virginia in the local media unless they are winning.
I do realize that if we were playing at the same level as WVU, the coverage on Pitt would be equally positive. But it does at times at least have a slight feel of unfair journalism to compare to Pitt to WVU/PSU when the it reflects poorly on Pitt, but rarely (ever?) does one see the comparison in the other direction.
Again, like you suggest, it does not matter much to me what the local writers say in this regard, especially if it's factual. But I can see why it would rub some the wrong way, at least to a slight degree.
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Was Pitt trending up or down at the end of last season? What about if they are something like a 6 seed next season? Obviously, anything less than a 1 seed is a downward trend from when they were one. Anyone can pick any number of years to spin things the way they want. This was a disapointing season, so everyone is upset. Some people won't be upset if they get back to the NCAAs next year. Some people will always be upset until they reach a Final Four. That's just the way it is. I don't know anything about Starkey and don't care one way or the other, but I can't disagree that the haven't been as good recently as they sometimes have been in the past. Just pointing out that he is writing an article in a year they missed the tourney and spreading his time frame back to the only other year they missed the tourney under Dixon, which is pretty convenient for him if he is does happen to dislike Pitt or Dixon.
Was Pitt trending up or down at the end of last season? What about if they are something like a 6 seed next season? Obviously, anything less than a 1 seed is a downward trend from when they were one. Anyone can pick any number of years to spin things the way they want. This was a disapointing season, so everyone is upset. Some people won't be upset if they get back to the NCAAs next year. Some people will always be upset until they reach a Final Four. That's just the way it is. I don't know anything about Starkey and don't care one way or the other, but I can't disagree that the haven't been as good recently as they sometimes have been in the past. Just pointing out that he is writing an article in a year they missed the tourney and spreading his time frame back to the only other year they missed the tourney under Dixon, which is pretty convenient for him if he is does happen to dislike Pitt or Dixon.
Yes, 4 does seem to be a normal number when looking at College Programs ...
... however, I don't recall seeing anyone talking about the four year trend last year, did you? To be truthful, I recall many posts about two-three year trends one-two years ago (or things of that nature). But not once did I ever see a single four year, which would have included a 15-3 record.
(One of my favorites was the number of folks noting the Panthers 6-17 recent league record after the first four games of the 2012-2013 season. Yes, that did indeed happen.)
Having said this, by no means am I disagreeing with the notion of a downward trend which is indeed very obvious. However, the one sidedness of these kinds of comments is often why I think folks will take issue.
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... however, I don't recall seeing anyone talking about the four year trend last year, did you? To be truthful, I recall many posts about two-three year trends one-two years ago (or things of that nature). But not once did I ever see a single four year, which would have included a 15-3 record.
(One of my favorites was the number of folks noting the Panthers 6-17 recent league record after the first four games of the 2012-2013 season. Yes, that did indeed happen.)
Having said this, by no means am I disagreeing with the notion of a downward trend which is indeed very obvious. However, the one sidedness of these kinds of comments is often why I think folks will take issue.
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By definition, a trend has to be over a longer period of time, than a quick snapshot.
Wanny defenders talk about his upward trend because he had 2 good seasons out of 6, with 6 returning back to the norm of the other 4.
That wasn't a trend, it was an aberration from the mean.
Time will tell if this dip is the same, or a return to a more Average level of hoops program.
Wanny defenders talk about his upward trend because he had 2 good seasons out of 6, with 6 returning back to the norm of the other 4.
That wasn't a trend, it was an aberration from the mean.
Time will tell if this dip is the same, or a return to a more Average level of hoops program.
Re: Yes, 4 does seem to be a normal number when looking at College Programs ...
Pick your frame of reference:
1 year trend: 8-10 .444
2 year trend: 19-17 .528
3 year trend: 31-23 .574
4 year trend: 36-36 .500
5 year trend: 51-39 .567
6 year trend: 64-44 .593
7 year trend: 79-47 .627
It is indeed interesting that the critics of the program pick the 4 year trend now. If they did that LAST year, it would have been 43-29 (.597)
Funny how that works.
Pick your frame of reference:
1 year trend: 8-10 .444
2 year trend: 19-17 .528
3 year trend: 31-23 .574
4 year trend: 36-36 .500
5 year trend: 51-39 .567
6 year trend: 64-44 .593
7 year trend: 79-47 .627
It is indeed interesting that the critics of the program pick the 4 year trend now. If they did that LAST year, it would have been 43-29 (.597)
Funny how that works.
"Brandin Knight, Carl Krauser and Levance Fields were not NBA players, but each had a major presence. Each was the backbone of his team. Each was an alpha dog. The line of powerful point guards ended when Fields left, which happened to coincide with Pitt's last significant postseason run."
This is so true! I've said this before JRob is garbage compared to any of those, and to damn polite and clean cut t be an ALPHA DOG-he doesn't fit with theose 3, and hasn't improved in 3 full seasons, I'd give anything to see cocky ass Krauser giving the "X" symbol because he's so damn fired up to kick somebody's asss!
"Usually, the Panthers have some presence down low, even if it's a just-adequate big body such as Gary McGhee. This season, there was no such thing."
Gary McGhee or even Toree Morris
seem like Shaq compared to the true centers we played this year!
"It feels like we're witnessing an identity crisis. All Dixon talks about is defense, yet he has been recruiting more of an offensive type. As former assistant coach Barry Rohrssen told me last year, when I asked if Dixon was looking for a different kind of player in Rohrssen's second stint with the program, "Right away, he told me he wants to score the basketball more."
So score. Ramp it up. Dixon seems to be caught between bleeding possessions and pushing the ball. Pitt was very good offensively at times this season but not nearly good enough to make up for its woeful defense."
By all means, you win by scoring more than the other guys, SCORE THE BASKETBALL MORE, makes a ton of sense! So get some guys that can do it!
This is so true! I've said this before JRob is garbage compared to any of those, and to damn polite and clean cut t be an ALPHA DOG-he doesn't fit with theose 3, and hasn't improved in 3 full seasons, I'd give anything to see cocky ass Krauser giving the "X" symbol because he's so damn fired up to kick somebody's asss!
"Usually, the Panthers have some presence down low, even if it's a just-adequate big body such as Gary McGhee. This season, there was no such thing."
Gary McGhee or even Toree Morris
"It feels like we're witnessing an identity crisis. All Dixon talks about is defense, yet he has been recruiting more of an offensive type. As former assistant coach Barry Rohrssen told me last year, when I asked if Dixon was looking for a different kind of player in Rohrssen's second stint with the program, "Right away, he told me he wants to score the basketball more."
So score. Ramp it up. Dixon seems to be caught between bleeding possessions and pushing the ball. Pitt was very good offensively at times this season but not nearly good enough to make up for its woeful defense."
By all means, you win by scoring more than the other guys, SCORE THE BASKETBALL MORE, makes a ton of sense! So get some guys that can do it!
Re: Low hanging fruit.....
It's a good thing, to have the media bashing Dixon and the program and putting them under fire when they deserve it! Start putting it in Dixon's mind that he needs to DO MORE. And educate the lazy cheerleader, polyanna, smily face fans that this team is going downhill fast.
Re: Yes, 4 does seem to be a normal number when looking at College Programs ...
That's how it goes! You don't need to quote trends when things are going good, because it's a given that you want the guy to stay, but when things go bad for a period as long as 4 years, you need to start bashing the person responsible for the results to either light a fire under his asss or get rid of him.
That's how it goes! You don't need to quote trends when things are going good, because it's a given that you want the guy to stay, but when things go bad for a period as long as 4 years, you need to start bashing the person responsible for the results to either light a fire under his asss or get rid of him.
Re: Yes, 4 does seem to be a normal number when looking at College Programs ...
That's great and all. Except Pitt has now missed the NCAA Tournament 2 times in the last 4 years. And Pitt is no way a lock to make the NCAA next year either unless Diallo commits, which could then make it 3 times in 5 years. The ACC is loaded next year and Pitt could be preseason picked 10th or 11th.
To finish off the sour taste this season, Pitt lost its last 4 games to unranked teams. And all 4 of those teams had at least 12 losses this year.
And for the first time Pitt didn't even win 20 games this year and has a current RPI that isn't even in the Top 70 now.
And to make matters worse, Pitt has the worst guards in the ACC. At least there isn't one person crazy enough on this board to try to debate that fact. And outside of Damon Wilson, we don't have any other guard coming in to help us next year.
Pitt basketball and Jamie Dixon are starting to look like Titanic. The boat is taking in water now. Better start recruiting and stop screwing around trying to put bandaids on our guards weaknesses.
With another down season next year and let's say Heron doesn't come here, Dixon is going to start getting ripped badly.
That's great and all. Except Pitt has now missed the NCAA Tournament 2 times in the last 4 years. And Pitt is no way a lock to make the NCAA next year either unless Diallo commits, which could then make it 3 times in 5 years. The ACC is loaded next year and Pitt could be preseason picked 10th or 11th.
To finish off the sour taste this season, Pitt lost its last 4 games to unranked teams. And all 4 of those teams had at least 12 losses this year.
And for the first time Pitt didn't even win 20 games this year and has a current RPI that isn't even in the Top 70 now.
And to make matters worse, Pitt has the worst guards in the ACC. At least there isn't one person crazy enough on this board to try to debate that fact. And outside of Damon Wilson, we don't have any other guard coming in to help us next year.
Pitt basketball and Jamie Dixon are starting to look like Titanic. The boat is taking in water now. Better start recruiting and stop screwing around trying to put bandaids on our guards weaknesses.
With another down season next year and let's say Heron doesn't come here, Dixon is going to start getting ripped badly.
