Steelers Draft

[PhPanther1]

Who ya got?
I personally think they'll trade back, as after Vernon Hargreaves, the rest of the CB's are not that much different. I'd love to see them trade back with lets say Jacksonville and get the Jacksonville 2 and 3. 2 players who I don't mention that I like are Karl Joseph from WVU and Eric Murray from Minnesota.

1 - Andrew Billings - DT Baylor
2 - Kendall Fuller - CB Va. Tech
3 - KJ Dillon - S WVU
4 - Dadi Nicolas - OLB Va. Tech
6 - Kolby Listenbee - WR TCU
7 - Some Guard
7 - Some TE

 

[paulbl99]

Who ya got?
I personally think they'll trade back, as after Vernon Hargreaves, the rest of the CB's are not that much different. I'd love to see them trade back with lets say Jacksonville and get the Jacksonville 2 and 3. 2 players who I don't mention that I like are Karl Joseph from WVU and Eric Murray from Minnesota.

1 - Andrew Billings - DT Baylor
2 - Kendall Fuller - CB Va. Tech
3 - KJ Dillon - S WVU
4 - Dadi Nicolas - OLB Va. Tech
6 - Kolby Listenbee - WR TCU
7 - Some Guard
7 - Some TE

Front 7 D or an Olineman...
Will pick your guy Dadi to name a name

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

Hopefully the Steelers go defense with their first five picks. Corner, lineman, safety, OLB and ILB.

I don't expect the Steelers to trade out of the first round for more picks because since the merger the Steelers are the only franchise to have used their first-round pick. I wouldn't mind moving down in either the first or second round to acquire more picks. The Memphis QB being available at 25 and the Broncos swapping spots with the Steelers for maybe Denver's second would be good for Pittsburgh.

 

[Las Panteras]

Hopefully the Steelers go defense with their first five picks. Corner, lineman, safety, OLB and ILB.

I don't expect the Steelers to trade out of the first round for more picks because since the merger the Steelers are the only franchise to have used their first-round pick. I wouldn't mind moving down in either the first or second round to acquire more picks. The Memphis QB being available at 25 and the Broncos swapping spots with the Steelers for maybe Denver's second would be good for Pittsburgh.

The steelers are NOT burning their first round pick to take a QB

Not this year anyway

 

[tps48]

The steelers are NOT burning their first round pick to take a QB

Not this year anyway

I think that he means that Denver would trade up to take Lynch.

 

[OH Pete]

Who ya got?
I personally think they'll trade back, as after Vernon Hargreaves, the rest of the CB's are not that much different. I'd love to see them trade back with lets say Jacksonville and get the Jacksonville 2 and 3. 2 players who I don't mention that I like are Karl Joseph from WVU and Eric Murray from Minnesota.

1 - Andrew Billings - DT Baylor
2 - Kendall Fuller - CB Va. Tech
3 - KJ Dillon - S WVU
4 - Dadi Nicolas - OLB Va. Tech
6 - Kolby Listenbee - WR TCU
7 - Some Guard
7 - Some TE

I'd take that draft. Although I do find it hard to believe that WVU has 2 top 3 round draft picks at Safety. Their defense was aggressive, but awful. 82nd in the NCAA in passing yards allowed, and somewhere in the low 60's in total defense. I'm not saying that they aren't good. But I am saying that if they are good, then the rest of that defense (and their jack@ss of a DC) was pretty pathetic.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I usually defer all draft discussion and thoughts to NTOP, who is the board expert and maybe the greatest and most avid Steeler fan of them all. Can't wait for his annual "Steeler Draft" post where he breaks down the draft, round by round on who he thinks the Steelers should pick.

 

[Las Panteras]

I think that he means that Denver would trade up to take Lynch.

my mistake. That makes a lot of sense.

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

There is no way they are taking a nose tackle first...no freaking way

 

[HailtoPitt]

I can't wait to see what Ohio State and Penn State player(s) the Steelers take a shot on this year, while bypassing the Pitt guys.

And you know the Steelers want to take a shot on the Navy QB,

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

I can't wait to see what Ohio State and Penn State player(s) the Steelers take a shot on this year, while bypassing the Pitt guys.

And you know the Steelers want to take a shot on the Navy QB,

Honestly who does Pitt have this year that you would want, other than Boyd?

 

[pittdan77]

I think that he means that Denver would trade up to take Lynch.

Unless the player the team needs is sitting there, I trade back. There's no reason not to. The draft is super deep at CB and I can't see anyone that can start on day one at that position falling that far. DL is the only position that would justify the pick and you could use the same argument (although it's a little more likely).

If you get a high second rounder and another good pick, you fall back.

 

[OH Pete]

I can't wait to see what Ohio State and Penn State player(s) the Steelers take a shot on this year, while bypassing the Pitt guys.

And you know the Steelers want to take a shot on the Navy QB,

Well, hard to blame the Steelers for wanting OSU kids. Also, I haven't seen them reach for PSU players in a long time. And finally, what Pitt players in the past 10 years did the Steelers pass on when they shouldn't have? Many of the good Panthers in the NFL weren't on the board when we drafted or weren't a position of need. One of the few times that Pitt drafted a different school's player at a position that a Pitt player would've also been a good choice was when they passed on Antonio Bryant and drafted Antwan Randle-El instead. Antwan helped them win a Super Bowl, so in retrospect it was probably the right choice.

 

[JoseLind13]

I would love to see Pitt players drafted by the Steelers', too, but honestly, it seems like many of the best players in recent years have not been in positions of need for the Steelers, were drafted ahead of them, or significantly outperformed their draft rankings in their careers.

Revis would have been a Steeler 1st rounder and it was openly admitted his name was already on the paper for their pick, if the Jets had not made the late trade to step in front of the Steelers.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I can't wait to see what Ohio State and Penn State player(s) the Steelers take a shot on this year, while bypassing the Pitt guys.

And you know the Steelers want to take a shot on the Navy QB,

Yes, the Steelers should do nothing but take Pitt players. Afterall, Pitt's on the field success over the past 40 years is superior than the Steeler's success.

 

[HailtoPitt]

And finally, what Pitt players in the past 10 years did the Steelers pass on when they shouldn't have?

Here is a list of Pitt players the Steelers didn't draft in the last 15 years. Sure, there are some that the Steelers did not take because of draft position and need, but 37 Pitt draft picks in a row and none going to the hometown team is amazing. In fact, one might say it is intended.

2015 4 110 T.J. Clemmings T Minnesota Vikings
2014 1 13 Aaron Donald DT St. Louis Rams
2014 4 135 Tom Savage QB Houston Texans
2014 5 146 Devin Street WR Dallas Cowboys
2011 1 26 Jonathan Baldwin WR Kansas City Chiefs
2011 2 37 Jabaal Sheard DE Cleveland Browns
2011 5 149 Dion Lewis RB Philadelphia Eagles
2011 5 150 Jason Pinkston T Cleveland Browns
2011 7 226 Greg Romeus DE New Orleans Saints
2010 6 182 Nate Byham TE San Francisco 49ers
2010 7 227 Dorin Dickerson WR Houston Texans
2009 2 53 LeSean McCoy RB Philadelphia Eagles
2009 5 146 Scott McKillop LB San Francisco 49ers
2009 7 240 LaRod Stephens-Howling RB Arizona Cardinals
2009 7 251 Derek Kinder WR Chicago Bears
2008 1 19 Jeff Otah T Carolina Panthers
2008 4 109 Mike McGlynn G Philadelphia Eagles
2008 7 251 Kennard Cox CB Jacksonville Jaguars
2007 1 14 Darrelle Revis CB New York Jets
2007 4 136 Clint Session LB Indianapolis Colts
2007 6 179 H.B. Blades LB Washington Redskins
2006 3 65 Charles Spencer T Houston Texans
2006 6 174 Josh Lay CB New Orleans Saints
2005 6 209 Rob Petitti T Dallas Cowboys
2004 1 3 Larry Fitzgerald WR Arizona Cardinals
2004 2 58 Shawntae Spencer CB San Francisco 49ers
2004 2 61 Kris Wilson TE Kansas City Chiefs
2004 5 147 Claude Harriott DE Chicago Bears
2004 6 188 Andy Lee P San Francisco 49ers
2004 7 247 Brandon Miree RB Denver Broncos
2003 3 70 Gerald Hayes LB Arizona Cardinals
2003 6 205 Torrie Cox CB Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2003 7 261 Bryan Anderson G Chicago Bears
2002 2 63 Antonio Bryant WR Dallas Cowboys
2002 5 153 Ramon Walker DB Houston Texans
2002 5 165 Bryan Knight DE Chicago Bears
2001 3 80 Kevan Barlow RB San Francisco 49ers

 

[Piranha]

In all honesty - Holtz in the later rounds is probably the only possibility that would make sense. We do not have any players that fit their biggest needs on defense.

 

[OH Pete]

Here is a list of Pitt players the Steelers didn't draft in the last 15 years. Sure, there are some that the Steelers did not take because of draft position and need, but 37 Pitt draft picks in a row and none going to the hometown team is amazing. In fact, one might say it is intended.

2015 4 110 T.J. Clemmings T Minnesota Vikings
2014 1 13 Aaron Donald DT St. Louis Rams
2014 4 135 Tom Savage QB Houston Texans
2014 5 146 Devin Street WR Dallas Cowboys
2011 1 26 Jonathan Baldwin WR Kansas City Chiefs
2011 2 37 Jabaal Sheard DE Cleveland Browns
2011 5 149 Dion Lewis RB Philadelphia Eagles
2011 5 150 Jason Pinkston T Cleveland Browns
2011 7 226 Greg Romeus DE New Orleans Saints
2010 6 182 Nate Byham TE San Francisco 49ers
2010 7 227 Dorin Dickerson WR Houston Texans
2009 2 53 LeSean McCoy RB Philadelphia Eagles
2009 5 146 Scott McKillop LB San Francisco 49ers
2009 7 240 LaRod Stephens-Howling RB Arizona Cardinals
2009 7 251 Derek Kinder WR Chicago Bears
2008 1 19 Jeff Otah T Carolina Panthers
2008 4 109 Mike McGlynn G Philadelphia Eagles
2008 7 251 Kennard Cox CB Jacksonville Jaguars
2007 1 14 Darrelle Revis CB New York Jets
2007 4 136 Clint Session LB Indianapolis Colts
2007 6 179 H.B. Blades LB Washington Redskins
2006 3 65 Charles Spencer T Houston Texans
2006 6 174 Josh Lay CB New Orleans Saints
2005 6 209 Rob Petitti T Dallas Cowboys
2004 1 3 Larry Fitzgerald WR Arizona Cardinals
2004 2 58 Shawntae Spencer CB San Francisco 49ers
2004 2 61 Kris Wilson TE Kansas City Chiefs
2004 5 147 Claude Harriott DE Chicago Bears
2004 6 188 Andy Lee P San Francisco 49ers
2004 7 247 Brandon Miree RB Denver Broncos
2003 3 70 Gerald Hayes LB Arizona Cardinals
2003 6 205 Torrie Cox CB Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2003 7 261 Bryan Anderson G Chicago Bears
2002 2 63 Antonio Bryant WR Dallas Cowboys
2002 5 153 Ramon Walker DB Houston Texans
2002 5 165 Bryan Knight DE Chicago Bears
2001 3 80 Kevan Barlow RB San Francisco 49ers

Nice list. Which one's should we have picked based on the situation at the time? Antonio Bryant is still the only one that jumps out at me as making sense at the time. Perhaps TJ Clemmings. Maybe Jason Pinkston. Devin Street maybe, but we had already grabbed Martavis Bryant (yeah, I know how that is working out now, but it was a GREAT pick up in the 4th round). So tell me - who should they have grabbed? And who did they draft from PSU that was a bad choice given when they got him and their needs at the time?

 

[NTOP]

I usually defer all draft discussion and thoughts to NTOP, who is the board expert and maybe the greatest and most avid Steeler fan of them all. Can't wait for his annual "Steeler Draft" post where he breaks down the draft, round by round on who he thinks the Steelers should pick.

Working on it right now. My lawyer, Bushkin wants me to incorporate in Dubai before I copyright & release. I'm flying there as soon as I finish to sign the docs.

 

[HailtoPitt]

Nice list. Which one's should we have picked based on the situation at the time? Antonio Bryant is still the only one that jumps out at me as making sense at the time. Perhaps TJ Clemmings. Maybe Jason Pinkston. Devin Street maybe, but we had already grabbed Martavis Bryant (yeah, I know how that is working out now, but it was a GREAT pick up in the 4th round). So tell me - who should they have grabbed? And who did they draft from PSU that was a bad choice given when they got him and their needs at the time?

Seriously? Pitt had 37 players in a row taken by other teams and you're going to use the 'who could they possibly have drafted' angle for all of them?

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Here is a list of Pitt players the Steelers didn't draft in the last 15 years. Sure, there are some that the Steelers did not take because of draft position and need, but 37 Pitt draft picks in a row and none going to the hometown team is amazing. In fact, one might say it is intended.

2015 4 110 T.J. Clemmings T Minnesota Vikings
2014 1 13 Aaron Donald DT St. Louis Rams
2014 4 135 Tom Savage QB Houston Texans
2014 5 146 Devin Street WR Dallas Cowboys
2011 1 26 Jonathan Baldwin WR Kansas City Chiefs
2011 2 37 Jabaal Sheard DE Cleveland Browns
2011 5 149 Dion Lewis RB Philadelphia Eagles
2011 5 150 Jason Pinkston T Cleveland Browns
2011 7 226 Greg Romeus DE New Orleans Saints
2010 6 182 Nate Byham TE San Francisco 49ers
2010 7 227 Dorin Dickerson WR Houston Texans
2009 2 53 LeSean McCoy RB Philadelphia Eagles
2009 5 146 Scott McKillop LB San Francisco 49ers
2009 7 240 LaRod Stephens-Howling RB Arizona Cardinals
2009 7 251 Derek Kinder WR Chicago Bears
2008 1 19 Jeff Otah T Carolina Panthers
2008 4 109 Mike McGlynn G Philadelphia Eagles
2008 7 251 Kennard Cox CB Jacksonville Jaguars
2007 1 14 Darrelle Revis CB New York Jets
2007 4 136 Clint Session LB Indianapolis Colts
2007 6 179 H.B. Blades LB Washington Redskins
2006 3 65 Charles Spencer T Houston Texans
2006 6 174 Josh Lay CB New Orleans Saints
2005 6 209 Rob Petitti T Dallas Cowboys
2004 1 3 Larry Fitzgerald WR Arizona Cardinals
2004 2 58 Shawntae Spencer CB San Francisco 49ers
2004 2 61 Kris Wilson TE Kansas City Chiefs
2004 5 147 Claude Harriott DE Chicago Bears
2004 6 188 Andy Lee P San Francisco 49ers
2004 7 247 Brandon Miree RB Denver Broncos
2003 3 70 Gerald Hayes LB Arizona Cardinals
2003 6 205 Torrie Cox CB Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2003 7 261 Bryan Anderson G Chicago Bears
2002 2 63 Antonio Bryant WR Dallas Cowboys
2002 5 153 Ramon Walker DB Houston Texans
2002 5 165 Bryan Knight DE Chicago Bears
2001 3 80 Kevan Barlow RB San Francisco 49ers

Are you kidding me? Do we have to go through this every year? What is Pitt's record over the last 20 years? What is the Steelers? I think one program knows what it is doing better than the other.

And 6th or 7th round picks? Really? This isn't a popularity contest.

2015 TJ Clemmings? The Steelers took Sammie Coates in the 3rd rd for fears of Martivis Bryant and well.......obviously they knew something.

2014. Aaron Donald. The Steeler picked 15th, Donald went 13th. Donald is not a 3-4 DL and the Steelers have Heyward and Stephon Tuitt at DE's, they are pretty set there. Savage? Really? Why would the Steelers take a QB in the 4th rd? Devin Street in the 5th? The Steelers selected Martavis Bryant in Rd 4. Street is not even in the same country code as a talent.

2011? Wow...really? Baldwin was selected with the 26th pick. The Steelers picked 31. So they should have traded up to take Baldwin? The Steelers took Cam Heyward, who Jon Baldwin cannot hold his jockstrap as a football player or person. And if it makes you feel better, Cam is the son of ex Pitt great, the late Ironhead. Again Sheard who is a good FB player was selected 37 overall. Cam Heyward was selected 31 at DE. Is Sheard better? NO. The Steelers then selected 61st in Rd 2 which they took Marcus Gilbert. Should they have traded up 25 spots to take a DE after they drafted a DE? NO.

Every year some Pitt fanboy does this. There have been FEW times where the Steelers have passed on a Pitt guy despite need. Dan Marino was the obvious one. They chose Antwan Randle El over Antonio Bryant and that was the wise choice. It worked out. That's about it. They wanted to draft Revis, the Jets moved up and jumped up and took him. If he would have been there a pick or 2 later, the Steelers would have snagged him. As for Aaron Donald, as great of a player as he is, he was not a fit nor on the Steelers radar.

 

[HailtoPitt]

Are you kidding me? Do we have to go through this every year? What is Pitt's record over the last 20 years? What is the Steelers? I think one program knows what it is doing better than the other.

And 6th or 7th round picks? Really? This isn't a popularity contest.

2015 TJ Clemmings? The Steelers took Sammie Coates in the 3rd rd for fears of Martivis Bryant and well.......obviously they knew something.

2014. Aaron Donald. The Steeler picked 15th, Donald went 13th. Donald is not a 3-4 DL and the Steelers have Heyward and Stephon Tuitt at DE's, they are pretty set there. Savage? Really? Why would the Steelers take a QB in the 4th rd? Devin Street in the 5th? The Steelers selected Martavis Bryant in Rd 4. Street is not even in the same country code as a talent.

2011? Wow...really? Baldwin was selected with the 26th pick. The Steelers picked 31. So they should have traded up to take Baldwin? The Steelers took Cam Heyward, who Jon Baldwin cannot hold his jockstrap as a football player or person. And if it makes you feel better, Cam is the son of ex Pitt great, the late Ironhead. Again Sheard who is a good FB player was selected 37 overall. Cam Heyward was selected 31 at DE. Is Sheard better? NO. The Steelers then selected 61st in Rd 2 which they took Marcus Gilbert. Should they have traded up 25 spots to take a DE after they drafted a DE? NO.

Every year some Pitt fanboy does this. There have been FEW times where the Steelers have passed on a Pitt guy despite need. Dan Marino was the obvious one. They chose Antwan Randle El over Antonio Bryant and that was the wise choice. It worked out. That's about it. They wanted to draft Revis, the Jets moved up and jumped up and took him. If he would have been there a pick or 2 later, the Steelers would have snagged him. As for Aaron Donald, as great of a player as he is, he was not a fit nor on the Steelers radar.

Ok, what about the other 30 or so picks they passed on?

 

[OH Pete]

Ok, what about the other 30 or so picks they passed on?

The burden of proof is on the accuser. Go ahead and make your case for 3 or 4. I'll give you a 10% bogey to hit. Show me 4 players on that list and make a case as to how the Steelers were biased against them vs who they drafted instead. Should be easy.

 

[HailtoPitt]

The burden of proof is on the accuser. Go ahead and make your case for 3 or 4. I'll give you a 10% bogey to hit. Show me 4 players on that list and make a case as to how the Steelers were biased against them vs who they drafted instead. Should be easy.

I'm not going to go through and analyze each pick and where the Steelers drafted in comparison. An exercise in futility. Besides, you already gave me 4. The fact is this. Pitt players drafted in the last 15 years. 37. Number of Pitt players drafted by the Steelers in the same time frame. 0

Pointing out a fact does not mean you have to come to the defense of the Steelers like a rabid junkyard dog. FACT: 37 Pitt players drafted. 0 to the Steelers.

 

[Swervin27]

I'm not going to go through and analyze each pick and where the Steelers drafted in comparison. An exercise in futility. Besides, you already gave me 4. The fact is this. Pitt players drafted in the last 15 years. 37. Number of Pitt players drafted by the Steelers in the same time frame. 0

Pointing out a fact does not mean you have to come to the defense of the Steelers like a rabid junkyard dog. FACT: 37 Pitt players drafted. 0 to the Steelers.

but one thing still remains, steelers are the most successful franchise in the nfl, so if there was this policy about avoiding pitt players, well hard to argue with success.. They haven't thought highly enough of a player from pitt to draft, fortunately it hasn't hurt them yet.. Outside of dan the man of course and the steelers decade long run of futility in the 80s.. But Art and Dan have acknowledged their errors on this matter..

I can count on one hand, pitt players that would have actually effected the roster though and those guys were taken before steelers had a chance.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I'm not going to go through and analyze each pick and where the Steelers drafted in comparison. An exercise in futility. Besides, you already gave me 4. The fact is this. Pitt players drafted in the last 15 years. 37. Number of Pitt players drafted by the Steelers in the same time frame. 0

Pointing out a fact does not mean you have to come to the defense of the Steelers like a rabid junkyard dog. FACT: 37 Pitt players drafted. 0 to the Steelers.

The fact is, who is the winningest franchise in the NFL? You aren't very good at this debating stuff are you? The Steelers are not in the business of drafting local kids. But who they feel is the best player available. What is the point of debating in the 7th round, whether a player is taken or not? Seriously, what is the point? That is pretty pathetic if you are hanging your argument on something like that.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Hey, the Steelers selected Tom Ricketts in the first round some 25 years ago, how did that work out? He sucked.

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

What a disaster was Ricketts. Could have had Wisniewski instead, who was terrific for a long time.

 

[OH Pete]

I'm not going to go through and analyze each pick and where the Steelers drafted in comparison. An exercise in futility. Besides, you already gave me 4. The fact is this. Pitt players drafted in the last 15 years. 37. Number of Pitt players drafted by the Steelers in the same time frame. 0

Pointing out a fact does not mean you have to come to the defense of the Steelers like a rabid junkyard dog. FACT: 37 Pitt players drafted. 0 to the Steelers.

I did half your work for you by pointing out guys that you could potentially make a case for. And you still can't do it. You can point out as many facts as you'd like. But if you are going to suggest (as you did) that there is an anti-Pitt bias in the Steeler organization, you will have to offer more than a list of the 37 draft picks in the past 15 years. I haven't gone through the entire list myself, but I did a sample of the Pitt players that I think could have been a good draft choice and couldn't come up with an easy argument that the Steelers should've taken them instead of who they did take.

 

[pittmeister]

I want the Steelers to choose the players they feel are the best for the franchise, not the best Pitt player available. In the case of Pitt, I don't care where the players they recruit come from, as long as they are good. They don't have to come from the WPIAL...

 

[lilspainishflea]

I would love to see Pitt players drafted by the Steelers', too, but honestly, it seems like many of the best players in recent years have not been in positions of need for the Steelers, were drafted ahead of them, or significantly outperformed their draft rankings in their careers.

Revis would have been a Steeler 1st rounder and it was openly admitted his name was already on the paper for their pick, if the Jets had not made the late trade to step in front of the Steelers.

I have to remind people of this all the time when they say that the Steelers hate Pitt players. They also may have looked hard at Shady if they hadn't taken Mendenhall the prior year.

 

[HailtoPitt]

Again, 37 Pitt players drafted in a row, and none to the Steelers. Hard to argue against that fact, unless you bleed black and gold, then it's pretty easy.

Intentional or not, the Steelers aren't drafting Pitt players. You would think that they might at least have drafted one Pitt player over this period just by happenstance. They haven't. Why is that? Does practicing at the same facility, where maybe the Steelers hear every single rumor, affect the draft likelihood of Pitt guys?

There has to be a reason, and it has nothing to do with the Steelers being successful, since they have missed on plenty of guys over the same period.

 

[lilspainishflea]

I'm not going to go through and analyze each pick and where the Steelers drafted in comparison. An exercise in futility. Besides, you already gave me 4. The fact is this. Pitt players drafted in the last 15 years. 37. Number of Pitt players drafted by the Steelers in the same time frame. 0

Pointing out a fact does not mean you have to come to the defense of the Steelers like a rabid junkyard dog. FACT: 37 Pitt players drafted. 0 to the Steelers.

I can't think of a single Pitt player who was within the range of a major Steelers pick (i.e., within 5 picks of a 1st, 10 picks of a 2nd, and 20 picks of a 3rd) and at a position of need where the Steelers passed on him. Fitz, Revis, Otah, Baldwin, and Donald were all taken well before the Steelers's picks. Shady and Savage were not at positions of need.

Only one who really comes close is Devin Street but the Steelers took Martavis Bryant the round before. Even through all of the suspension issues, you'd have to admit that Bryant is more valuable than Street.

 

[HailtoPitt]

I can't think of a single Pitt player who was within the range of a major Steelers pick (i.e., within 5 picks of a 1st, 10 picks of a 2nd, and 20 picks of a 3rd) and at a position of need where the Steelers passed on him. Fitz, Revis, Otah, Baldwin, and Donald were all taken well before the Steelers's picks. Shady and Savage were not at positions of need.

Only one who really comes close is Devin Street but the Steelers took Martavis Bryant the round before. Even through all of the suspension issues, you'd have to admit that Bryant is more valuable than Street.

24 of the 37 were not drafted in the first 3 rounds and weren't major picks.

 

[Pittbaseball11]

Again, 37 Pitt players drafted in a row, and none to the Steelers. Hard to argue against that fact, unless you bleed black and gold, then it's pretty easy.

Intentional or not, the Steelers aren't drafting Pitt players. You would think that they might at least have drafted one Pitt player over this period just by happenstance. They haven't. Why is that? Does practicing at the same facility, where maybe the Steelers hear every single rumor, affect the draft likelihood of Pitt guys?

There has to be a reason, and it has nothing to do with the Steelers being successful, since they have missed on plenty of guys over the same period.

It's been 37 players drafted since 2001. Out of a pool of literally millions of players and thousands of draft picks in that time period, the chances of them drafting one of those 37 just by happenstance is minuscule. If anything, picking a Pitt player would require the Steelers to HAVE a bias to pick a Pitt player as a late-round courtesy -- this despite late round picks becoming more and more valuable as time goes on.

I like Pitt much more than the Steelers but objectively I cannot find anything close to a bias here. Defensive personnel are totally different, for one. That's going to wipe out most DL/LB types right off the bat. They were on Revis pretty heavily, but the Jets traded up in front of them.

On offense, I don't think Pitt has had much to offer. When we're listing out Nate Byham and Dorin Dickerson and Devin Street as guys who were slighted we are really grasping at straws and pretty much saying that the Steelers owe it to Pitt to take borderline NFL players with their picks.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Again, 37 Pitt players drafted in a row, and none to the Steelers. Hard to argue against that fact, unless you bleed black and gold, then it's pretty easy.

Intentional or not, the Steelers aren't drafting Pitt players. You would think that they might at least have drafted one Pitt player over this period just by happenstance. They haven't. Why is that? Does practicing at the same facility, where maybe the Steelers hear every single rumor, affect the draft likelihood of Pitt guys?

There has to be a reason, and it has nothing to do with the Steelers being successful, since they have missed on plenty of guys over the same period.

It's up to you to go through those 37 picks and prove where the Steelers made a mistake and shouldn't have drafted who they drafted over a Pitt player.

And some of those listed are ridiculous. Larry Fitzgerald. He was the 3rd pick overall. The Steelers didn't pass on him. So that doesn't count. (By the way, they drafted Ben that year, I think they did fine). Aaron Donald, Jon Baldwin and Darrelle Revis were 1st rd picks ahead of where the Steelers picked. So again, you can't include them. Someone like Shady was picked fairly early in rd 2 and the Steelers picked late in Rd 2. So another guy they didn't really have a shot at.

Get my point? Unless you can come up with specific instances, you have no point.

 

[lilspainishflea]

24 of the 37 were not drafted in the first 3 rounds and weren't major picks.

Ok, so we think there's a Steelers conspiracy because they're not drafting Pitt players in the 7th round? Guys taken after the 3rd are viewed as projects, role

It's been 37 players drafted since 2001. Out of a pool of literally millions of players and thousands of draft picks in that time period, the chances of them drafting one of those 37 just by happenstance is minuscule. If anything, picking a Pitt player would require the Steelers to HAVE a bias to pick a Pitt player as a late-round courtesy -- this despite late round picks becoming more and more valuable as time goes on.

I like Pitt much more than the Steelers but objectively I cannot find anything close to a bias here. Defensive personnel are totally different, for one. They were on Revis pretty heavily, but the Jets traded up in front of them.

On offense, I don't think Pitt has had much to offer. When we're listing out Nate Byham and Dorin Dickerson and Devin Street as guys who were slighted we are really grasping at straws and pretty much saying that the Steelers owe it to Pitt to take borderline NFL players with their picks.

Exactly. Late-round picks are considered projects or valuable only within certain systems. Why would the Steelers draft Byham/Dickerson when they have an in-his-prime Heath Miller? Are we going to beat them up for not drafting scat-backs LSH and Dion Lewis? How about not taking Clint Session who is clearly not big enough to play a 3-4 LB? I mean, I could go on, but this is really ridiculous. There are something like 260 picks each year and Pitt has had 37 of them since 2001. That means Pitt has had less than 1% of the overall players drafted during that period - and it's even fewer when you consider a bunch of those guys were off the board in the 1st or 2nd round well before the Steelers picked. That's just too small of a sample size to say there's a bias against Pitt players.

 

[HailtoPitt]

It's been 37 players drafted since 2001. Out of a pool of literally millions of players and thousands of draft picks in that time period, the chances of them drafting one of those 37 just by happenstance is minuscule. If anything, picking a Pitt player would require the Steelers to HAVE a bias to pick a Pitt player as a late-round courtesy -- this despite late round picks becoming more and more valuable as time goes on.

I like Pitt much more than the Steelers but objectively I cannot find anything close to a bias here. Defensive personnel are totally different, for one. That's going to wipe out most DL/LB types right off the bat. They were on Revis pretty heavily, but the Jets traded up in front of them.

On offense, I don't think Pitt has had much to offer. When we're listing out Nate Byham and Dorin Dickerson and Devin Street as guys who were slighted we are really grasping at straws and pretty much saying that the Steelers owe it to Pitt to take borderline NFL players with their picks.

Million of players? What the heck are you talking about?

In the last 15 years, there have been 3,825 players drafted into the NFL.

The Steelers are 1/32 of the league, or 3.13%

The Steelers had 121 draft picks in this period, or 3.16% of all picks.

The Steelers drafted 8.8% of Ohio State's players who were drafted.

Steelers drafted 5.45% of Penn State's players who were drafted.

The Steelers drafted 0% of Pitt's players.

The quality of each team/program is not relevant, as players are drafted at the individual level.

So the facts show that the Steelers tend to draft PSU players at twice the expected rate, and OSU players at almost three times the expected rate. You might think, that given they have had a tendency to draft players from those schools at 2 to 3 times the rate of their picks compares to all players drafted, that the Steelers would also draft at least 1 Pitt player, even if Pitt were not the local school.

It's disturbing.

 

[Pittbaseball11]

Million of players? What the heck are you talking about?

In the last 15 years, there have been 3,825 players drafted into the NFL.

The Steelers are 1/32 of the league, or 3.13%

The Steelers had 121 draft picks in this period, or 3.16% of all picks.

The Steelers drafted 8.8% of Ohio State's players who were drafted.

Steelers drafted 5.45% of Penn State's players who were drafted.

The Steelers drafted 0% of Pitt's players.

The quality of each team/program is not relevant, as players are drafted at the individual level.

So the facts show that the Steelers tend to draft PSU players at twice the expected rate, and OSU players at almost three times the expected rate. You might think, that given they have had a tendency to draft players from those schools at 2 to 3 times the rate of their picks compares to all players drafted, that the Steelers would also draft at least 1 Pitt player, even if Pitt were not the local school.

It's disturbing.

A fraction of draft eligible players are actually drafted. Let's not act like the difference between, say, a late 3rd rounder and a UFA is astronomical.

Mostly it's about fit at that point.

The Steelers also haven't drafted a single LSU player since 2001. A school with far more draft picks and far better players.

We gonna get all paranoid and start conspiracies about that, too?

 

[lilspainishflea]

Million of players? What the heck are you talking about?

In the last 15 years, there have been 3,825 players drafted into the NFL.

The Steelers are 1/32 of the league, or 3.13%

The Steelers had 121 draft picks in this period, or 3.16% of all picks.

The Steelers drafted 8.8% of Ohio State's players who were drafted.

Steelers drafted 5.45% of Penn State's players who were drafted.

The Steelers drafted 0% of Pitt's players.

The quality of each team/program is not relevant, as players are drafted at the individual level.

So the facts show that the Steelers tend to draft PSU players at twice the expected rate, and OSU players at almost three times the expected rate. You might think, that given they have had a tendency to draft players from those schools at 2 to 3 times the rate of their picks compares to all players drafted, that the Steelers would also draft at least 1 Pitt player, even if Pitt were not the local school.

It's disturbing.

Bro, there's not an "expected rate" of players to be drafted, certainly not the way that you're implying. OSU and PSU have had a lot of players drafted because they've been good teams in the past 15 years. Pitt, mostly, has not. Pitt also has not had a large number of NFL-prospect players. Are you factoring in teams that run a 3-4 defense? That prefer power-blocking OTs like Jeff Otah instead of more zone-oriented Tackles and Guards? Are you factoring in the fact that many of Pitt's players have been taken well ahead of the Steelers' corresponding draft pick? Or that they play positions which the Steelers don't need at that time?

This isn't a task made for statistical modeling. Even if it is, you're not doing it right. Please, as several of us have asked, go through the list and identify which Pitt Panthers the Steelers should have taken and we can further this discussion. If you're not going to do that, I suspect that many of us are done with it.