I'm suggesting that there might be a bias. Only an idiot would refuse to look at the data and not at least acknowledge that something is going on. Ohio State.... 8 of 90 players. PSU... 3 of 50 some players. Pitt... goose egg of 37 players.
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I'm suggesting that there might be a bias. Only an idiot would refuse to look at the data and not at least acknowledge that something is going on. Ohio State.... 8 of 90 players. PSU... 3 of 50 some players. Pitt... goose egg of 37 players.
There is no statistical analysis happening here, which I have said. your right, Pitt would be expected to 1 pick per team. Some team will have more and some will have none. Just funny how the team Pitt practices next to is one of the teams with no Pitt picks.
It may be silly, but it is true. Funny how some of you are in such huge states of denial that you can't even acknowledge how unlikely it is that the Steelers would pick 8 OSU players, 3 PSU players, but no Pitt players. You don't find that somewhat interesting?
I don't think anything that happens in a small sample is interesting. That might not be fair -- to be more precise, I don't think that anything that happens in a small sample is predictive or indicative of anything. I think it's a small sample. Are they fun? Hell yeah. A hot streak is awesome to follow. But I wouldn't draw anything conclusive out of it.
This is by far the dumbest thread I've ever read. HailtoPitt should be embarrassed.
What is worse, despite numerous attempts at pointing out the folly of this argument, he just bulls ahead, ala Del on the Pirates. I mean at one point, you don't have to admit you are wrong, just shut up and move on. But.......
I think you should blame Doug Whaley, he was head in college scouting for awhile with the Steelers. Probably wouldn't be a good look for you though. Do you think the Rooneys put down an edict to not draft Pitt players?
Do BC fans worry about their players goung to the Pats? Temple/Eagles? LSU/Saints? This is pretty bizarre.
Do BC fans worry about their players goung to the Pats? Temple/Eagles? LSU/Saints? This is pretty bizarre.
Steelers might not drafted Pitt players but they sure have brought a lot of Pitt pick players on the roster as free agents. Fringe players too, that didn't seem too have many other options. If anything, this thread has brought to light that the steelers have done some favors for the local Pitt kids.
You keep refusing to look at the data, though...Come up with a logical case where that bias looks likely.
You are a JoeBot, but for Pitt. Exactly the same kind of person.
Guys it is simple the Steelers are usually picking in the low teens and 20's most years because of their success...
Pitt's most decorated players have gone high in the draft.......it is that simple...
The middle rounds are a crap shoot.....
There is nothing to see here....
Pitt's most decorated players have gone high in the draft.......it is that simple...
The middle rounds are a crap shoot.....
There is nothing to see here....
re: King, starting 19 games and playing in about 40 isn't too bad for a 4th round pick. Lots of those guys never see the field and the average length of a career is like 3 years anyway (i.e., 48 games). I was wrong about Maybin - guess I got him confused with Jerry Hughes. In any event, PSU does have some good players in the NFL. Those first three that I mentioned are all in the top 100 players in the league, maybe all in the top 50.
LSU is in Baton Rouge, not New Orleans.
Temple has had 11 players selected in the NFL draft in 15 seasons. The Eagles have taken 2 of them (18%).
BC has sent 28 players to the draft, New England has taken 2 of them (7%). Although neither are actually located in Boston.
I suppose now you will want find a team that can refute my point. Let me help you out. Of the power five teams in NFL cities, there are none that haven't sent at least one player to the local NFL team in the selected time period. Looking at ALL the FBS teams, only Tulane (11 picks) and Houston (8 picks) have not had a player drafted by the local NFL team.
Perhaps my point is tenuous, but for people to not at least admit that it is strange for Pitt and the Steelers to be the only exception, well, then you are letting your bias getting in the way.
That's a fair point. I assume that the Steelers do bring in Pitt players as free agents after the draft at a higher rate than other teams.
So the Stillers are biased against picking good Pitt players in the draft, but are biased in favor of picking up mediocre Pitt players as free agents. Right.
Do you seriously not understand how batshit crazy that is?
Do you seriously not understand how batshit crazy that is?
Find One. Single. Pitt. Player. that the Steelers legitimately passed over that fit the team's needs and I'll consider your moronic position. But so long as you continue to refuse, you're wasting everyone's time.
I don't really care about the Pitt player aspect of this discussion.
However, the Steelers' secondary is the worst in the NFL and DESPERATELY needs to be addressed.
They need a DT (or two)!as well but with the way the game is played nowadays, with so many sub packages, a Casey Hampton type run-stopper is less important than ever before.
However, the Steelers' secondary is the worst in the NFL and DESPERATELY needs to be addressed.
They need a DT (or two)!as well but with the way the game is played nowadays, with so many sub packages, a Casey Hampton type run-stopper is less important than ever before.
HTP, if you did your homework, you could easily find many examples... Tons of players drafted by pitt in early 90s that would have looked dang good in a steeler uni. and this was pre cowher, some poor Noll teams..
Hey, speaking of, we all forget that the steelers actually drafted AVP. I swear I don't remember that though. did we trade em right after?
1993 8 20 216 Alex Van Pelt Steelers QB
Like I said, it would take a long time to go through each pick and I won't do it. However, 2004 has several examples.
The Steelers took Colclough over Shantee Spencer and Kris Wilson. Here is a mock draft that had the Steelers picking Spencer, so it's not like this would have been a weird pick for them. Later in the draft the Steelers filled their TE need with Matt Kranchick from Penn State. Either Spencer or Wilson would have been better picks.
In that same draft, the Steelers picked Adibi in the 5th, then Claude Harriott went two picks later to the Bears. I don't think Adibi ever played a game.
The Steelers missed on Andy Lee as well. He went in the 6th round at 188. The Steelers took Bo Lacy i the 6th at 177. Yes, I know they signed Gardocki, but just one more example.
You asked. You received.
Since we are tossing around random statistical sets and for the purpose of making irrational arguments, here you go... Why are the Falcons always so enormously biased against Pitt players despite Bill Fralic's NFL success with the Falcons?
Total Pitt Panthers drafted since 1980 by team:
49ers 9
Steelers 8
Chiefs 7
Bears 7
Rams 6
Packers 6
Cowboys 6
Saints 5
Bengals 5
Jets 5
Cardinals 4
Eagles 4
Texans 4
Colts 4
Bills 4
Browns 4
Vikings 4
Redskins 3
Chargers 3
Giants 3
Dolphins 3
Seahawks 2
Oilers 2
Buccaneers 2
Raiders 2
Patriots 1
Panthers 1
Broncos 1
Lions 1
Falcons 1
(cough, sarcasm, cough)
Total Pitt Panthers drafted since 1980 by team:
49ers 9
Steelers 8
Chiefs 7
Bears 7
Rams 6
Packers 6
Cowboys 6
Saints 5
Bengals 5
Jets 5
Cardinals 4
Eagles 4
Texans 4
Colts 4
Bills 4
Browns 4
Vikings 4
Redskins 3
Chargers 3
Giants 3
Dolphins 3
Seahawks 2
Oilers 2
Buccaneers 2
Raiders 2
Patriots 1
Panthers 1
Broncos 1
Lions 1
Falcons 1
(cough, sarcasm, cough)
The way Narduzzi is bringing in top end talent (particularly on D).....i think there is a pretty good chance this argument will be re-visited 4-5 years from now.
Which begs the question......rather than bias against Pitt....is it not possible that the Steelers never thought much of the coaching staffs of the previous three regime and by extension....their ability to develop NFL ready players?
Which begs the question......rather than bias against Pitt....is it not possible that the Steelers never thought much of the coaching staffs of the previous three regime and by extension....their ability to develop NFL ready players?
Yep. They blew the Spencer pick. But again, it is happenstance, it is not bias.
Colclough over Spencer, you could make an argument was one over the other, but Colclough was a small school kid. So you think the bias extends to small schools in SC over Pitt?
Did you compare a 6th round in line TE to a 2nd round Hback? Really?
Claude Harriott couldn't play OLB for the Steelers and he never made a team or played a single snap in the NFL.
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