Stewart to Carr
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Stewart is my favorite player - I have a bias
Carr and Frame never gave the offense a chance today. Both seem to think they can take a game over. I have news for them. They can't.
Run the offense take the first good shot available. Anyone. This is not a team that can play late in the shot clock.
This is not a team that can get frustrated and just start to say "I will do it".
When we hit a scoring draught, run a play for Frame or Stewart and make sure you get a good shoot. Then maybe you will not get buried.
We can't play this selfish or stupid. Look at some of those shots.
I know you don't want to recognize this, but part of the problem is that Stewart can't get open and can't create shots on his own when when being guarded by a decent defender.
And when that happens, what does a team do? Gets the ball to one of the few players who might, not will but might, be able to get something on their own. And that's not Parker Stewart.
Everybody on our team needs to take shots in the flow of the offense. If we run offense, instead of playing super hero ball, Stewart will get enough shots to score in double figures.
Frame took a sorta, kinda open three from the top of the key. He had Stewart open for a much easier three from the sideline.
You don't see Stewart starting to get frustrated that he is not getting the ball when open. I do. I think that is why he is becoming forced to take shots he normally would not.
Run the offense, (particularly now with Brown scoring) and everyone take the first good shot. Everyone will be getting a better shots than they are now.
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I was responding to Gary not you.
Forced shots, extra dribbling, turnovers happen when you can’t get open shots or into a flow.
And we can’t get open shots or attack the hoop with any regularity
Forced shots, extra dribbling, turnovers happen when you can’t get open shots or into a flow.
And we can’t get open shots or attack the hoop with any regularity
I don’t think Stewart and Davis are ACC level players and never will be. Yet they play a lot of minutes. If that’s the best we can put out there then so be it. Brown is pretty athletic. Carr is a good player
I hope the transfer from St John’s plays major minutes at small forward next year. Pitt also needs another 2 guard that can handle the ball also. Good luck finding that player.
Finally, I don’t care to debate Stallings coaching ability but this team probably needs a young, energetic coach that can also get some understanding of defense drilled into the team
I hope the transfer from St John’s plays major minutes at small forward next year. Pitt also needs another 2 guard that can handle the ball also. Good luck finding that player.
Finally, I don’t care to debate Stallings coaching ability but this team probably needs a young, energetic coach that can also get some understanding of defense drilled into the team
Stewart doesn't get open enough to get pissed off that he doesn't get the ball every time he is open. And I don't consider him standing three or four steps behind the three point line to be open. Because when he gets it there he can't do anything with it that's going to help.
You will get no disagreement from me about Stewart getting his own shot.
You will get a disagreement from me about Carr and Frame playing within constraints of the offense versus too often forcing things or dribbling into trouble. Get everyone involved.
Yeah, but guys tend to do that when there isn't anything else available. Especially when it gets late in the shot clock.
Based on the way they are being used and the amount they are being used it doesn't seem the coach has much problem with their approach. Probably because he knows there isn't much choice.
I agree with the much of a choice.
I guess our disagreement here is this: I think you are saying that our players are not good enough to get a good shot early in the shot clock by running offense.
I am saying that Carr and Frame don't move the ball enough. It stays in their hands too long. It isn't because they can't move it, they just don't. Too much dribbling and one on one. Once things start to crumble , it gets much worse. "Trusting the process"
is very important for a young, inexperienced team.
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I agree with the much of a choice.
I guess our disagreement here is this: I think you are saying that our players are not good enough to get a good shot early in the shot clock by running offense.
I am saying that Carr and Frame don't move the ball enough. It stays in their hands too long. It isn't because they can't move it, they just don't. Too much dribbling and one on one. Once things start to crumble , it gets much worse. "Trusting the process"
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Kevin Stallings on Pitt's loss to Clemson:
"When the game starts getting tough for us, we’ve had this tendency to go solo. Our team is not made up of guys that are capable of winning games going solo. That’s a lesson that’s coming more slowly than it needs to
Outside shots start with penetration or the ball going inside out. No one is inside so let's just shoot without a rebounder, a followup, Butkus. Cam had 13 boards against top NBA draft picks. Why, he crashed the rim. Stallings really is a strange coach.
And when does the game start getting tough? It starts getting tough when there is seven seconds on the shot clock and Marcus Carr looks around and sees Parker Stewart with a guy inside his jersey, he looks into the post and sees guys who have no idea how to get good post position, he sees Kham Davis who sometimes (more often than not) is afraid to shoot the ball, he sees Shameil Stevenson who loves to drive the ball to the basket but can't actually beat a good defender off the dribble, and so on. He sees that he has two realistic choices. Try to create something for himself or get the ball to Wilson-Frame because he might be able to create something for himself.
There'd be a lot less of guys going one on one if we actually had better players out on the court. I wonder if the coach realizes that? I wonder if he remembers who is responsible for doing that?
You described what is often going on pretty clearly. However, this is pretty much the case around 17 seconds on the shot clock as much as it is at 7 seconds.
Marcus Carr never even looks for Parker Stewart. He is basically playing a two man game with Frame.
Carr came into this game thinking he could drive to the basket like he did against UNC. He was too dumb to realize that situation for what it was: UNC was willing to trade baskets with him as they had already established a huge lead. Carr mistaken thought a lets just pad each others stats game as his new norm.
Welcome to reality Marcus.
Why are you blaming an 18 year old kid instead of the 57 year old offensive genius? That is poor coaching.
I don't mean to say that I saw good shots being passed up over and over again.
What I saw was Carr and Frame thinking the game was a continuation of the UNC game. Thinking they could easily drive the ball all the way to the goal. They just kept dribbling, trying to get past their man, never coming close. Move the ball. Move the ball with a purpose. Move the ball to accomplish something. Don't kill the clock yourself and then jack up a bad shot because there is no choice left.
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Do you see anything that even looks like ball reversal?
Carr dribbles (usually to Frame's side) gets nowhere, runs out the clock and is forced to kick it out on the side he is on for a late try at a three.
Boy do I miss James Robinson.
Posters were all over him, but he protected the ball, balanced the floor and distributed the basketball.
I never understood the extreme criticism that he got. Good college PG that did some things very well but had some limitations.
Stewart is playing the most minutes on the team in conference player. I assume there is a reason for that. (other than the stupid coach thinks like I do - again).
Carr does not move the ball enough. He dribbles too much. He doesn't reverse the ball enough. He does create court balance. He often destroys spacing.
He repeatedly dribbles to the side Frame is on (he knows he needs Frame as his security blanket) and the opponent only really has to defend a small portion of the court. Carr creates congestion in that small portion and turnovers or late forced threes are often the result.
We need a ball handler that can protect the ball, balance the court and distribute.
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Here's my analysis of Pitt players on the offensive end.
Brown. Raw, but physically capable of being able to get and make shots. Should get alot better as he gets experience and stronger.
Carr. Against lower level teams, he is a demon. Against good ACC teams, struggles to get to the hoop, struggles to get an open jumper, and struggles and commits too many turnovers.
Stewart. When open, definite threat to knock down a three. Unfortunately , against athletic man defenses, just cannot get anything that resembles an open shot.
JFW. Never met a shot he didn't like. Against better teams, he is limited in driving the ball to the hoop, so relies alot on a very streaky and undependable jump shot.
Stevenson. No clue what to do, a bull in a china shop (charge waiting to happen) in the offensive zone.
Chukawuka. ? Nothing. Just nothing. Dante Milligan had more potential.
Kam Davis. Cam Wright would be an upgrade on the offensive end.
Prince. The dead singer with the symbol of the same name has a better offensive game. He makes Torree Morris look like Hakeem Olajuwon on the offensive end.
Milligan. Fast. Can't shoot. Fast. Small. Would be a good guard for IUP.
Boykin. Yuri Demetrius would be a tremendous improvement.
There. There's the list.
Brown. Raw, but physically capable of being able to get and make shots. Should get alot better as he gets experience and stronger.
Carr. Against lower level teams, he is a demon. Against good ACC teams, struggles to get to the hoop, struggles to get an open jumper, and struggles and commits too many turnovers.
Stewart. When open, definite threat to knock down a three. Unfortunately , against athletic man defenses, just cannot get anything that resembles an open shot.
JFW. Never met a shot he didn't like. Against better teams, he is limited in driving the ball to the hoop, so relies alot on a very streaky and undependable jump shot.
Stevenson. No clue what to do, a bull in a china shop (charge waiting to happen) in the offensive zone.
Chukawuka. ? Nothing. Just nothing. Dante Milligan had more potential.
Kam Davis. Cam Wright would be an upgrade on the offensive end.
Prince. The dead singer with the symbol of the same name has a better offensive game. He makes Torree Morris look like Hakeem Olajuwon on the offensive end.
Milligan. Fast. Can't shoot. Fast. Small. Would be a good guard for IUP.
Boykin. Yuri Demetrius would be a tremendous improvement.
There. There's the list.
They have 5 guys worth keeping, then you add in Luther, Ellison, Golden, (Kingsby?). This staff should have at least 1 or 2 more recruits locked up. A PG and another legit big are necessary.
So... is super genius Stallings just now noticing this?? It was evident during the PSU game 3 months ago. Just more proof he should be fired, ASAP.
Stewart is playing the most minutes on the team in conference play and is the teams second leading scorer. Quite an accomplishment for someone who can't get open or can't create his own shot.
I think he has noticed it all along.
He has no choices at the point and that is ALL on him.
That could be the biggest reason to fire him. Maybe he couldn't get the good young bigs we needed. He at least tried.
No point guard - No excuse.
11 scholarships to give, he needed to land SOMEBODY, anybody.
It’s just like the QB in football. People who don’t understand the game are always critical of the QB and the PG. Unfortunately, we have some fans who are extremely dense when it comes to basketball.
When Pitt runs the weave at least three men on offense are moving. Last night the guys were barely moving. I have a feeling that in preparation for UNC, Stallings worked on the high pick 'n roll since maybe they saw how hard Maye would hedge. This allowed Carr to deny the pick and split the defenders.
Clemson overall might play better defense than UNC and I have no idea what Pitt was doing. I agree that Carr early in the game thought he could pick up with his UNC success and ended up with a miserable game. JW-F's volume shooting doesn't bother me as much as the number of those shots launched before he is set or square to the hoop.
"Shooting... there's more to the game than shooting"...Norman Dale. Yeah maybe, but I'd like to see some buckets made. Sunday.....we win...... if we get to the line 25 times
Thanks - You described it better, but that is what I was seeing.
Right about Carr and Frame.
Just curious - would your thoughts have been the same on Brown 4 games ago?
I still would think he has the most potential of any of these guys. He is one the guy that does seem to be developing more and more. That's a good thing.
I certainly respect your posts and opinions, but "bias.". .it's a lot more than that! LOL.
I like all the guys on the team, but as I've been posting since day one, Stewart is
probably my LEAST favorite player of those who play. We've gone over and over this,
he has very good shooting technique...that doesn't make him a shooter. He misses
way too many open looks, and is a stand still shooter. He has yet to show that he
can put it on the floor and hit it on the move. The reason he is open, is we're so bad
as a team, there's no big pressure to guard him. If he were a REAL threat, teams
would overplay him. Anyone who knows anything about Bball can see he has no,
and I mean NO floor game on the offensive end. On the defensive end it's even worse.
He gets beat off the dribble constantly, and seems to have no awareness or anticipation
when playing D. Maybe when he's a junior we'll have something, but right now he
needs major off season improvement in his overall game. The fact that he looks better
than some of our others speaks to how bad those players actually are.
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Stewart has the teams most minutes in conference play. I don't think that is an accident.
If you get a chance - take a look at the thread on Pitt's advanced statistics that I posted.
