Stupidity and hating

[oldpantherfan]

2 bad years out of 12 !!! Two !!! WOW. REALLY. and we should fire the coach and release (almost) everyone from their scholarships. Some of you fans and posters are a JOKE. Seriously a joke. First off you can not sign every so called 5 star player. Kentucky did and still didn't win. And the pro team is now gonna play pro ball.
But how many years can you just reload like that ? And how many schools can do that every year ? How many schools will have a (semi) pro college team playing o their court on any given year? Prior to the last three seasons how many of those players did VCU and Witchia state get ?
Dixon nor any other coach at any school in any sport knows exactly what will happen to a kid once he signs or how he will develop four years down the road. How many of you are doing now exactly what you thought you would be doing (except complaining) four years ago ?
Maturity is a big issue both on and off the court (field, mat, etc). And S$$t happens. So what the 2011 class was a bust by fan standards. Are we the the only school that has EVER had that issuue ? if we make a nice run in the tournament next year how many of you will still say these same things ?
There are many schools that would love to be in our shoes or have our coach. Lets appreciate what we have for a change. If not remember state college is always happy to have another fan- so please go.

 

[ThatPittGuy]

I think some posters, perhaps you included, are having a hard time holding two conflicting ideas in your head at the same time.

It's called nuance.

Being a true fan and discussing what might be the root cause of disturbing trend in the program are not mutually exclusive.

But, to those with intellectual or emotional deficits, this might seem "mopey."

 

[Pitt-Chains]

We are a bit spoiled, perplexed and mopey.

If PITT hoops continues down the same path as the last couple... Add disappointed because we were spoiled.

 

[wbrpanther]

I don't think Pitt fans have had a problem discussing what is wrong with the program these past 4 years. But most Pitt fans feel Jamie is the coach to turn it around. there is much in the past 12 or so years to suggest just that.

Then there are fans that openly call Jamie Dixon a CANCER to the team. And the fans who follow up every single article about a recruit Pitt has looked at with the mandatory " he won't come to Pitt".

 

[thebadby2]

well said.

 

[colingrant2]

Originally posted by oldpantherfan:

2 bad years out of 12 !!! Two !!! WOW. REALLY. and we should fire the coach and release (almost) everyone from their scholarships. Some of you fans and posters are a JOKE. Seriously a joke. First off you can not sign every so called 5 star player. Kentucky did and still didn't win. And the pro team is now gonna play pro ball.
But how many years can you just reload like that ? And how many schools can do that every year ? How many schools will have a (semi) pro college team playing o their court on any given year? Prior to the last three seasons how many of those players did VCU and Witchia state get ?
Dixon nor any other coach at any school in any sport knows exactly what will happen to a kid once he signs or how he will develop four years down the road. How many of you are doing now exactly what you thought you would be doing (except complaining) four years ago ?
Maturity is a big issue both on and off the court (field, mat, etc). And S$$t happens. So what the 2011 class was a bust by fan standards. Are we the the only school that has EVER had that issuue ? if we make a nice run in the tournament next year how many of you will still say these same things ?
There are many schools that would love to be in our shoes or have our coach. Lets appreciate what we have for a change. If not remember state college is always happy to have another fan- so please go.

Can I get an Amen!!!

 

[eyebugs]

yep accept mediocrity... if you cant see the program is in decline then i cant help you.. i am not for getting rid of anyone but your post comparing pitt and kentucky is a joke.. compare pitt to what we should be ... in my mind a perennial top 20 team...i know a coach cant possibly know how every kid will turn out but shaka smart seems to do okay.. how about pitino, marshall, few..etc...dixon has not handled the roster well at all... Its okay to criticize when it is deserved.. isnt it? Last thing how many ACC schools would rather be us? maybe half? itsnt that the defenition of average...

 

[KiwiJeff]

ThatMopeyGuy. Discuss issues all you want. Nobody ever said you couldn't. Apparently though, you think imaginary reasons like future commits de committing is also a cause for bad past performance. brilliant! I suspect he buys stocks when the market is high, and sells when low.
This post was edited on 4/15 4:07 PM by KiwiJeff

 

[ThatPittGuy]

Originally posted by KiwiJeff:
ThatMopeyGuy. Discuss issues all you want. Nobody ever said you couldn't. Apparently though, you think imaginary reasons like future commits de committing is also a cause for bad past performance. brilliant! I suspect he buys stocks when the market is high, and sells when low.
This post was edited on 4/15 4:07 PM by KiwiJeff

You're off the rails, man.

 

[KiwiJeff]

perhaps I am, but I am not the one calling imaginary decommits analysis of why the team is declining. So go figure. The fact that you have SMF running to your defense should make you rethink your position.

 

[ThatPittGuy]

Where in this particular thread do you see anything about imaginary recruits decommitting before you introduced it?

Not perhaps... you are off the rails.

 

[KiwiJeff]

Nowhere in this thread. Are we not permitted to discuss topics in more than one thread? Or are you not process capable of carrying on more than one thought at once? At least you didn't deny your silly notion, but rather suggest we can only discuss one topic at a time. But....if that be so, why were you introducing the word mopey into mulitple threads I wasn't posting in? Again, your logic fails you and you are caught in further hypocrisy, evident for all to see.

You easily box yourself into a logical corner and can't fight your way out. No wonder you end up babbling about one topic per thread and future decommits as reasons for our past decline. I will let you have the last word now, no reason to torture the board any more with this silly topic you introduced, Have a nice night.

This post was edited on 4/15 8:21 PM by KiwiJeff

 

[ThatPittGuy]

Originally posted by KiwiJeff:
Nowhere in this thread. Are we not permitted to discuss topics in more than one thread? Or are you not process capable of carrying on more than one thought at once? At least you didn't deny your silly notion, but rather suggest we can only discuss one topic at a time. But....if that be so, why were you introducing the word mopey into mulitple threads I wasn't posting in? Again, your logic fails you and you are caught in further hypocrisy, evident for all to see.

You easily box yourself into a logical corner and can't fight your way out. No wonder you end up babbling about one topic per thread and future decommits as reasons for our past decline. I will let you have the last word now, no reason to torture the board any more with this silly topic you introduced, Have a nice night.

This post was edited on 4/15 8:21 PM by KiwiJeff

Well, you have point there. You win. Hail to Pitt!

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Originally posted by oldpantherfan:

2 bad years out of 12 !!! Two !!! WOW. REALLY.TWO BAD YEARS OUT OF 4 and the other 4 were pretty mediocre. and we should fire the coach and release (almost) everyone from their scholarships. Well we should fire an assistant or two, and it seems like the players are releasing themselves. Some of you fans and posters are a JOKE. Seriously a joke. First off you can not sign every so called 5 star player. You are right, but 1 or 2 every 2-3 years would be nice. Kentucky did and still didn't win. And the pro team is now gonna play pro ball. Okay, this is just mumbly nonsense.
But how many years can you just reload like that ? And how many schools can do that every year ? Let's make a final 4 once before we even bitch about this. How many schools will have a (semi) pro college team playing o their court on any given year? Again, how is this relevant, no one Pitt fan is asking for this. Prior to the last three seasons how many of those players did VCU and Witchia state get ? They both have much better coaches than we do. Every school in the country would have taken Smart or Marshall over Dixon. Every School.
Dixon nor any other coach at any school in any sport knows exactly what will happen to a kid once he signs or how he will develop four years down the road. What is this, just a completely random, independent happening? He is paid to be able to analyze and project how players will develop and the other half of his salary is paid on developing them. How many of you are doing now exactly what you thought you would be doing (except complaining) four years ago ? This post is getting more stupid and more stupid with each line and right now is reading like it is next week.
Maturity is a big issue both on and off the court (field, mat, etc). And S$$t happens. And it is the coach's job to have a program were players develop and mature. So what the 2011 class was a bust by fan standards.No, it was a bust by any standards, not just "fans". Are we the the only school that has EVER had that issuue ? No, but I am betting we are one of the few schools who has been in the NCAA's as much as we have without pulling off a signature victory. if we make a nice run in the tournament next year how many of you will still say these same things ? If I will the Powerball I will be a millionaire.
There are many schools that would love to be in our shoes or have our coach. There are many fat kids who would love to be less fat. Yes, let's compare ourselves to the LCD. Lets appreciate what we have for a change. Appreciate, what, a One and Done NIT team with a recruiting class ranked toward the bottom of the ACC. Woo Effing Hoo, man we got it all don't we. If not remember state college is always happy to have another fan- so please go. Please don't go. I love reading your posts. I feel smarter. See, when I see your posts, I am glad I am not you. I appreciate me. Thanks for the motivation. And can you please format your next post better? Thanks. Oh yeah, one other thing....Let's Root, Root for the home team.....rah, rah, sis boom bah? By the way, in what decade did people actually talk like that? Rah, rah? Sis Boom Bah? I mean it doesn't even make sense. Was this before the Mayflower landed and it was some Indian tribal language, because I can't figure out for the life of me, in the English language how "sis boom bah" is supportive of a sports team.

 

[NTOP]

Owtie....you need to just go away.

Or give up the booze. Disgraceful. Move back to wv.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Re: Owtie....you need to just go away.


No, it was a stupid post. You think Michigan fans should have just filled the stadium and rooted for the home team (that is SIS BOOM BAH) and not demand changes and just continue to slide into mediocrity? Should they? I am not sure why Pitt BB fans have such delicate sensibilities. It is like you are afraid to win. And yes, the program over a decade ago sucked. It is closer to then than it is the "glory years" and it ain't getting any better. It was a weak cheerleader post, which was full of inaccuracies fan falsehoods. I mean "there are others who wish they were Pitt", yeah nice argument. There also people who "wish they were hilljacks in a West Virginia trailer park too", they live in Somalia and Sierre Leone. So that means that is who you should compare yourself to?

Thing is, this is no longer an aberration. It is a full bore trend.

And NTOP wanna know the dirty little secret on this board? Even some of the biggest, most passionate fans on this board, in a moment of truth and honesty are damn concerned and questioning the direction also. They will not say it publicly, because they feel then it validates all of the critics over the years (note, it doesn't, the critics over the years were completely unreasonable) but now.........not so unreasonable. So, these super fans feel an expression of concern is an acknowledgement that people like Mike412 and Phil have been right all along. But they haven't been, because they also gave no credit to the good stuff.

Me, just brutally honest as a fan. Because that is what I am. I am not going to piss down your leg and tell you its raining. You guys (most of you) are smart enough to know what's up. I can't help that right now, it is not good, not what we all would like.

Do I want to fire Jamie? Well not right now.. But if he has another season like this, hey I would rather cut ties a year early than 2 years too late. And if another school would come a courting Jamie, I would rent the limo to the airport.

 

[NCanton Panther]

Re: Thumbs up Owtie!!

Couldn't agree more owtie, the original post was stupid and far from accurate. When his first sentence gets on fans/posters for wanting to fire Dixon because of 2 bad years out of 12. I think that was a good bit of hyperbole as I sure haven't seen many posters claiming to want to ride Dixon out of town. I have definitely seen a number of posters expressing concern over the trend the BB team has taken in the last few years and the prospects for the future. I don't think there is any hyperbole in that, fairly level-headed in my opinion for some people to have concerns for the program. And the vast majority of posters I've seen express this concern have also all said that Dixon has earned the rope and the time to try to fix it.

Complete hyperbole by the original poster so he deserved to be called out for it.

 

[KiwiJeff]

Re: Thumbs up Owtie!!

But any criticism of negative hyperbole is stifling discussion and being a pollyanna. Quite the double standard we have going here.

 

[NCanton Panther]

Re: Thumbs up Owtie!!

I guess you didn't comprehend my reply. There is no problem with someone having a differing opinion and expressing that, whether it be of of a positive or negative light. However, rather than just countering other poster's concerns or negative comments, I felt the OP significantly exaggerated the extent of those concerns and negativisms being expressed on the board. That's why I view the OP as hyperbole.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Re: Thumbs up Owtie!!

Originally posted by KiwiJeff:
But any criticism of negative hyperbole is stifling discussion and being a pollyanna. Quite the double standard we have going here.

The OP had "stupidity" in the subject of his post. Then posted complete and utter dreck, an dreck which was haphazardly composed with a lot of factual errors.

Don't blame me for pointing them out.

 

[KiwiJeff]

Re: Thumbs up Owtie!!

I wasn't replying to you, but you are basically the same as the OP though, so you guys counter each other well. I like the synergy between you two.

 

[Pghfan]

Some pitt fans seem to think that Dixon deserves a lifelong pass, not sure a couple sweet 16 appearances and an Elite 8 appearance gives you a life long pass.. Final four appearance maybe, National Championship, definitely..

 

[KiwiJeff]

name one.

 

[Pitt-Chains]

His hall pass has an expiration date of next year and would think the new AD will share the same sediments.

 

[KiwiJeff]

I doubt it. You standing on the same dirt as the new AD? Look next to you and tell us who it is. seems you have the inside dirt.

 

[Ski11585]

Re: Thumbs up Owtie!!

Owt,

You should hold these moron negative posters to the same standard. Admit it, you love piling on with the negative, idiotic hyperbole like everyone else.

 

[Pitt-Chains]

Kiwi, no inside dirt, season tickets sales will be down and with not knowing the next incoming class expectation will be the same... Down. We can only hope Jamie locks in on some transfers. Hopefully the storm is behind us, but it has the feeling we just closing the windows and hoping it blows over.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Re: Thumbs up Owtie!!

Originally posted by Ski11585:
Owt,

You should hold these moron negative posters to the same standard. Admit it, you love piling on with the negative, idiotic hyperbole like everyone else.

Bullshit. Sorry. Complete bullshit. I just give yinz the truth. But Ski, I need to ask you a serious question. Ironically I was going to address this specifically to you later.

 

[Ski11585]

Re: Thumbs up Owtie!!

How's it BS? You have a double standard here.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Originally posted by ThatPittGuy:
I think some posters, perhaps you included, are having a hard time holding two conflicting ideas in your head at the same time.

It's called nuance.

Being a true fan and discussing what might be the root cause of disturbing trend in the program are not mutually exclusive.

But, to those with intellectual or emotional deficits, this might seem "mopey."

And what disturbing trend is that, may I ask? A trend is something that happens on at least a few occasions in a row, probably more, that indicates a change in direction of a previous trend. Sorry, but I don't see anything like yet at Pitt. If the results we've had in this past season continue for the next 3 or 4 years, then maybe we could say a "disturbing trend" is starting to develop. But certainly not yet.

 

[ThatPittGuy]

Originally posted by HailToPitt1985:

Originally posted by ThatPittGuy:
I think some posters, perhaps you included, are having a hard time holding two conflicting ideas in your head at the same time.

It's called nuance.

Being a true fan and discussing what might be the root cause of disturbing trend in the program are not mutually exclusive.

But, to those with intellectual or emotional deficits, this might seem "mopey."

And what disturbing trend is that, may I ask? A trend is something that happens on at least a few occasions in a row, probably more, that indicates a change in direction of a previous trend. Sorry, but I don't see anything like yet at Pitt. If the results we've had in this past season continue for the next 3 or 4 years, then maybe we could say a "disturbing trend" is starting to develop. But certainly not yet.

[/QUOTE]
Pitt has been playing basketball since 1905. We win our conference about once every 11 seasons. We win our conference tournament about once every 27 years. We made the Final 4 in 1941, where there were eight teams total. We made the Elite 8 on two other occasions... once in 1974, when there were less than 32 teams, and once in 2009, when a local kid with no ACLs decided to stay home and turned out to be a once-in-a-generation rebounder and one of the top 5 players in college basketball that year. Said another way, about every 36 years, Pitt does well enough to be one of eight teams playing for a national championship.

That's the trend of Pitt basketball. Before Dixon took over, Pitt had a winning percentage of .554. This past season it was .558. Dixon's career numbers as head coach at Pitt haven't departed from the program's 100+ year trend in a meaningful way.

So, I apologize to everybody for for characterizing the past few seasons as a disturbing trend.... it would have been more appropriate to say disappointing correction.

I hope we have higher heights yet to come. We can debate all day long about whether we think those heights will ultimately be achieved. Either way, I'm done with the "trend" discussion.

 

[TD_6082]

Call it whatever you want, Dixon has a 36-36 conference record over the past 4 seasons. 2 of those years Pitt failed to make the tourney & the other 2, they were embarrassed in the round of 32. Dixon has had enough sustained success at Pitt to make me feel he can turn this thing around. However, as of right now, its hard to find many reasons to think the next couple of years will be any better.

 

[TD_6082]

Originally posted by Pghfan:
Some pitt fans seem to think that Dixon deserves a lifelong pass, not sure a couple sweet 16 appearances and an Elite 8 appearance gives you a life long pass.. Final four appearance maybe, National Championship, definitely..

No such thing as a lifetime pass. Not even a National Championship buys you that.

 

[magadog]

If you aren't satisfied with Dixon, put your money towards his buying out his contract & paying for his replacement. It is really easy to want change, but if you are not willing to foot the bill, stop crying. Indiana has already started a fund to buy out Crean.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[Scruffy the Panther]

I would call this a baseline, but that's just me :^).
Originally posted by ThatPittGuy:

Originally posted by HailToPitt1985:

Originally posted by ThatPittGuy:
I think some posters, perhaps you included, are having a hard time holding two conflicting ideas in your head at the same time.

It's called nuance.

Being a true fan and discussing what might be the root cause of disturbing trend in the program are not mutually exclusive.

But, to those with intellectual or emotional deficits, this might seem "mopey."

And what disturbing trend is that, may I ask? A trend is something that happens on at least a few occasions in a row, probably more, that indicates a change in direction of a previous trend. Sorry, but I don't see anything like yet at Pitt. If the results we've had in this past season continue for the next 3 or 4 years, then maybe we could say a "disturbing trend" is starting to develop. But certainly not yet.

Pitt has been playing basketball since 1905. We win our conference about once every 11 seasons. We win our conference tournament about once every 27 years. We made the Final 4 in 1941, where there were eight teams total. We made the Elite 8 on two other occasions... once in 1974, when there were less than 32 teams, and once in 2009, when a local kid with no ACLs decided to stay home and turned out to be a once-in-a-generation rebounder and one of the top 5 players in college basketball that year. Said another way, about every 36 years, Pitt does well enough to be one of eight teams playing for a national championship.

That's the trend of Pitt basketball. Before Dixon took over, Pitt had a winning percentage of .554. This past season it was .558. Dixon's career numbers as head coach at Pitt haven't departed from the program's 100+ year trend in a meaningful way.

So, I apologize to everybody for for characterizing the past few seasons as a disturbing trend.... it would have been more appropriate to say disappointing correction.

I hope we have higher heights yet to come. We can debate all day long about whether we think those heights will ultimately be achieved. Either way, I'm done with the "trend" discussion.[/QUOTE]

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Re: Thumbs up Owtie!!

Originally posted by Ski11585:
How's it BS? You have a double standard here.

No......I think being honest in an assessment of the program is not having a double standard, whatever that means.

Actually my question to you not being that much of an NBA guy, how in the hell is Golden State so good?

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Originally posted by ThatPittGuy:

Originally posted by HailToPitt1985:

Originally posted by ThatPittGuy:
I think some posters, perhaps you included, are having a hard time holding two conflicting ideas in your head at the same time.

It's called nuance.

Being a true fan and discussing what might be the root cause of disturbing trend in the program are not mutually exclusive.

But, to those with intellectual or emotional deficits, this might seem "mopey."

And what disturbing trend is that, may I ask? A trend is something that happens on at least a few occasions in a row, probably more, that indicates a change in direction of a previous trend. Sorry, but I don't see anything like yet at Pitt. If the results we've had in this past season continue for the next 3 or 4 years, then maybe we could say a "disturbing trend" is starting to develop. But certainly not yet.

Pitt has been playing basketball since 1905. We win our conference about once every 11 seasons. We win our conference tournament about once every 27 years. We made the Final 4 in 1941, where there were eight teams total. We made the Elite 8 on two other occasions... once in 1974, when there were less than 32 teams, and once in 2009, when a local kid with no ACLs decided to stay home and turned out to be a once-in-a-generation rebounder and one of the top 5 players in college basketball that year. Said another way, about every 36 years, Pitt does well enough to be one of eight teams playing for a national championship.

That's the trend of Pitt basketball. Before Dixon took over, Pitt had a winning percentage of .554. This past season it was .558. Dixon's career numbers as head coach at Pitt haven't departed from the program's 100+ year trend in a meaningful way.

So, I apologize to everybody for for characterizing the past few seasons as a disturbing trend.... it would have been more appropriate to say disappointing correction.

I hope we have higher heights yet to come. We can debate all day long about whether we think those heights will ultimately be achieved. Either way, I'm done with the "trend" discussion.

[/QUOTE]This is the Stock Market or some long term entity you can just plug in statistically and use this as analysis. Things change. I mean, Pitt once played basketball games underneath the stands of Pitt Stadium. Now, they have an hundred million dollar arena just for basketball. I would say different commit levels (inputs) to this "curve".

 

[Ski11585]

Re: Thumbs up Owtie!!

Originally posted by recruitsreadtheseboards:

Originally posted by Ski11585:
How's it BS? You have a double standard here.

No......I think being honest in an assessment of the program is not having a double standard, whatever that means.

Actually my question to you not being that much of an NBA guy, how in the hell is Golden State so good?

I guess from my perspective, recruits, as someone who has definitely moved form a JIG camp to a more neutral position, is that you are quick to call out the people who are overly positive. That's fine. There is plenty to be critical of. I don't think I see the same from you when people post irrational and over the top negative posts. I don't think there's a need for that. I just want to see this board move back to where it was a few years ago, where it seemed like there was a pretty darn high level of quality discussion from all sides of the issue.

Regarding Golden State: They have two of the best offensive players in the game right now in Thompson and Curry. Curry is on pace to be the greatest shooter in the game. I mean, he's making 51% of his threes since the All-Star break. The other thing that makes GS so good is that they are in the top 3 for defensive efficiency this year. So they're playing really well on offense, but are playing great D too.

Now, they're a jump shooting team so there's an interesting discussion about how that will play in the post season, but they'll be right there at the end.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Re: Thumbs up Owtie!!

Originally posted by Ski11585:

Originally posted by recruitsreadtheseboards:

Originally posted by Ski11585:
How's it BS? You have a double standard here.

No......I think being honest in an assessment of the program is not having a double standard, whatever that means.

Actually my question to you not being that much of an NBA guy, how in the hell is Golden State so good?

I guess from my perspective, recruits, as someone who has definitely moved form a JIG camp to a more neutral position, is that you are quick to call out the people who are overly positive. That's fine. There is plenty to be critical of. I don't think I see the same from you when people post irrational and over the top negative posts. I don't think there's a need for that. I just want to see this board move back to where it was a few years ago, where it seemed like there was a pretty darn high level of quality discussion from all sides of the issue.

Regarding Golden State: They have two of the best offensive players in the game right now in Thompson and Curry. Curry is on pace to be the greatest shooter in the game. I mean, he's making 51% of his threes since the All-Star break. The other thing that makes GS so good is that they are in the top 3 for defensive efficiency this year. So they're playing really well on offense, but are playing great D too.

Now, they're a jump shooting team so there's an interesting discussion about how that will play in the post season, but they'll be right there at the end.

Ski, my problem is the following and I posted it in a thread on the pay site. We make too many excuses for the lack of recruiting and lack of elevating the program.

It is funny, I AM NEGATIVE, yet I seem to be able to find many more reasons why this program should be more successful than those POSITIVE people who seem to latch on to every excuse, even down to the most mundane of a) "you can't get everyone you are after" and b) all schools lose players. Yeah....okay. Here is what I posted below. Where am I offbase? How am I negative in thinking like this? Why can I think to sell this, but seemingly our staff can't?

There are always reasons why "we can't", "we don't", "we won't". But I rarely see the flip side. This program in the last decade or so has had EVERY advantage the football program hasn't had with the exception of a local recruiting base. Every one.

We have won alot.
We have been national relevant.
We have had coaching stability.
We have an outstanding on campus arena.
We have sellouts.
We have or were a regular fixture in the top 20, hell top 10.
We have always resided in THE BB power conference.
Hell, we are an urban campus and most BB players are from the city so there would and is a familiar environment
We don't have an NBA team to draw away attention. We are the top Basketball dog in town.

The only two things we don't have is a local recruiting base and we don't have a loooong ("blue blood") history.

The excuses for the lack of recruiting and decline of the program rely strictly on the coaching staff and not even on the side of bad luck.

And about that "elite" status we seem to run away from. In 2008 or 2009, would anyone say Wisconsin's program is above Pitt's? If say Jamie was offered the Wisconsin job, we would have laughed it off as not being anything at least better than lateral, if not a step back. Wisconsin is more elite than our program now. Why? The fact is Jamie has struck out a lot lately, he is Sidney Crosby like in his misses lately. Both in recruiting, in player development and also in assistant coaching.

An honest assessment? I think the above of what we are and what we have (had) is a pretty damn honest assessment. AND.....at one point, we were a #1 seed in 2 out of 3 years. How many other programs actually reach that level of success? And we have totally whiffed on building on this "blueblood" like success.

We just seem to want to make and accept excuses without admitting the obvious. That perhaps, Jamie has grown stale here

 

[JS School]

Re: Thumbs up Owtie!!


It will be interesting to see where Wisconsin is six years from now. Every program is going to have ups and downs.