The 0-19 team had more fight than this team

[Sean Miller Fan]

I remember that team being badly and embarrassingly undermanned. However, they played hard. As outclassed as they were, they werent getting beatdowns every game like THIS team is. This year's team gets blown out early and often.

Let's look at that team's last 12 games:

vs NC St (lost in NCAAT 1st Round) - up by 10 at half, kept lead until 3:52. Lost by 4

vs Syr (ended up losing in NCAAT 2nd Round: tied with 9 minutes left. Ended up losing by 5

@ UNC (lost NCAAT 2nd Round) - lead by 1 with 3 to go in 1st Half but ended up losing by 31

@ Clemson (lost in Sweet 16) - trailed by 10 with 19:00 to go before losing by 24

vs Louisville (lost in NIT Quarterfinals) - got blown out by 34

vs BC (lost in NIT 1st Round) - lead by 2 at half but lost by 23

at FSU (lost in Elite 8) - lead by 1 at half, FSU lead by 1 with 5:00 left and won by 13

vs Wake (were 4-14) - lead by 1 at half but ended up losing by 6

vs UVa (got the #1 overall seed but lost to UMBC) - we were destroyed by 29

@ ND (lost in NIT 2nd Round) - lost by 17

ND in ACCT - lost by 3

As you can see, a team who was facing severe talent deficits against some really really good teams at least fought hard many times as long as they could. This year's team has 0 fight. This isnt meant to be an endorsement for Stallings. Its partly his fault for being so undermanned but he did get as much as he could out of that team. They were just bad. This year's team has much more talent and is playing a much weaker schedule but get blwon out from the tip it seems like.

 

[JD1976]

This team has zero fight? There’s only been a few losses this year where the team didn’t fight back from a big deficit. Granted, tonight was not one of those games, but to say this team has no fight is way off base.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

This team has zero fight? There’s only been a few losses this year where the team didn’t fight back from a big deficit. Granted, tonight was not one of those games, but to say this team has no fight is way off base.

They come out with no energy and have gone down double digits in the 1st Half of every single road game (except FSU, that took until 4 min into 2nd half) and 3 of the home games. Yes, we make late runs to make the gamblers nervous but no, this team doesn't have any fight. They play like they dont care. Capel said as much

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Five times this season we've been down double digits in the first half and came back to win the game. We were down 12 late just last Saturday and had a three with five seconds left to win the game.

But recency bias.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Five times this season we've been down double digits in the first half and came back to win the game. We were down 12 late just last Saturday and had a three with five seconds left to win the game.

But recency bias.

Yea we go down double digits in the first half in nearly every game. That's a huge problem. Credit to the team for coming back and winning some of those and making others close but to go down so big, so early almost every game is a tell-tale sign that this team lacks fight. I mean its almost every game this happens. The 0-19 team came out and gave everything they had from the tip and hung with some really good teams for a good part of the game before talent took over. They couldn't sustain for 40 minutes against a much more difficult schedule. I mean that team LEAD an Elite 8 team on the road at halftime. Stallings was an idiot but he did maximize the small amount of "talent" that team had. The kids played hard. That part was never a question.

 

[HOF Coach]

Yea we go down double digits in the first half in nearly every game. That's a huge problem. Credit to the team for coming back and winning some of those and making others close but to go down so big, so early almost every game is a tell-tale sign that this team lacks fight. I mean its almost every game this happens. The 0-19 team came out and gave everything they had from the tip and hung with some really good teams for a good part of the game before talent took over. They couldn't sustain for 40 minutes against a much more difficult schedule. I mean that team LEAD an Elite 8 team on the road at halftime. Stallings was an idiot but he did maximize the small amount of "talent" that team had. The kids played hard. That part was never a question.

 

[goodtymes]

Yea we go down double digits in the first half in nearly every game. That's a huge problem. Credit to the team for coming back and winning some of those and making others close but to go down so big, so early almost every game is a tell-tale sign that this team lacks fight. I mean its almost every game this happens. The 0-19 team came out and gave everything they had from the tip and hung with some really good teams for a good part of the game before talent took over. They couldn't sustain for 40 minutes against a much more difficult schedule. I mean that team LEAD an Elite 8 team on the road at halftime. Stallings was an idiot but he did maximize the small amount of "talent" that team had. The kids played hard. That part was never a question.

You have it backwards. Being down early, and coming back is proof of a team having fight. Being up early, getting down a little bit and ending up getting blown out is not an example of having fight at all. If anything, you could say those teams collapsed in those games when things got tough

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

You have it backwards. Being down early, and coming back is proof of a team having fight. Being up early, getting down a little bit and ending up getting blown out is not an example of having fight at all. If anything, you could say those teams collapsed in those games when things got tough

Would you rather be down big early and have to come back or even and try not to blow it?

It was evident the 0-19 team lost those games on talent. They couldn't play 40 minutes with them. They played as hard as they could as long as they could. You guys know Im right and are just arguing for arguing's sake. There is no defending this year's team. They are a disaster.

 

[tetonpanther]

I agree smf

 

[goodtymes]

Would you rather be down big early and have to come back or even and try not to blow it?

It was evident the 0-19 team lost those games on talent. They couldn't play 40 minutes with them. They played as hard as they could as long as they could. You guys know Im right and are just arguing for arguing's sake. There is no defending this year's team. They are a disaster.

That’s changing the argument. You didn’t ask which we’d rather. You argued which one was a better indicator of heart

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

That’s changing the argument. You didn’t ask which we’d rather. You argued which one was a better indicator of heart

And it would be the 0-19 team. Those kids came ready to play and gave everything they had. Kept games close then got overwhelmed in the 2nd Half by very good teams.

This team doesn't even show up. They get blown out early against NIT teams at home and sometimes the other team takes their foot off the gas and we make a run to make it close. This team has no heart, no fight, no character. Its a toxic group.

 

[Ski11585]

And it would be the 0-19 team. Those kids came ready to play and gave everything they had. Kept games close then got overwhelmed in the 2nd Half by very good teams.

This team doesn't even show up. They get blown out early against NIT teams at home and sometimes the other team takes their foot off the gas and we make a run to make it close. This team has no heart, no fight, no character. Its a toxic group.

No. It doesn't. Fighting back and making it close after being down big early is absolutely an indicator of heart. In what universe is it not?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

No. It doesn't. Fighting back and making it close after being down big early is absolutely an indicator of heart. In what universe is it not?

It isnt because this team gets blown out early every game. So there are so many 1st Half blowouts that eventually, they have to go on some runs against teams who take their foot off the gas.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

No. It doesn't. Fighting back and making it close after being down big early is absolutely an indicator of heart. In what universe is it not?

Like a lot of things, it’s exclusive to his universe. Outer space.

 

[DT_PITT]

This team has zero fight? There’s only been a few losses this year where the team didn’t fight back from a big deficit. Granted, tonight was not one of those games, but to say this team has no fight is way off base.

Indeed.

 

[DT_PITT]

Five times this season we've been down double digits in the first half and came back to win the game. We were down 12 late just last Saturday and had a three with five seconds left to win the game.

But recency bias.

Indeed.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Question for DT, Joe, and JD. Which team had more fight, more heart? This one or 0-19? Your opinion. I know people dont like to agree with me but I remember those 0-19 kids playing hard and trying their best.

 

[JD1976]

Question for DT, Joe, and JD. Which team had more fight, more heart? This one or 0-19? Your opinion. I know people dont like to agree with me but I remember those 0-19 kids playing hard and trying their best.

I will answer your question with a proper question to you: why does this need to be a question at all? I don’t think either team lacked heart or didn’t/hasn’t tried its best. Neither team had/has the talent to win in this conference. This year’s group clearly has more than 2018, but still not enough to get your undies in a bunch worrying about the sky falling.

 

[Blair_45]

I think this team lacks maturity and a true leader and that is a big big reason why when they get behind by a huge margin in these games all the time they just don’t know how to respond and stop the bleeding. I think they do have heart but I think they do lack maturity and a little bit of character. And until those two things change things won’t get much better.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I will answer your question with a proper question to you: why does this need to be a question at all?

Because its a message board. I dont see any heart or character in this group. I saw that in 2018 and never questioned that.

 

[pittjas]

SMF is right on this one.

 

[gary2]

I remember that team being badly and embarrassingly undermanned. However, they played hard. As outclassed as they were, they werent getting beatdowns every game like THIS team is. This year's team gets blown out early and often.

Let's look at that team's last 12 games:

vs NC St (lost in NCAAT 1st Round) - up by 10 at half, kept lead until 3:52. Lost by 4

vs Syr (ended up losing in NCAAT 2nd Round: tied with 9 minutes left. Ended up losing by 5

@ UNC (lost NCAAT 2nd Round) - lead by 1 with 3 to go in 1st Half but ended up losing by 31

@ Clemson (lost in Sweet 16) - trailed by 10 with 19:00 to go before losing by 24

vs Louisville (lost in NIT Quarterfinals) - got blown out by 34

vs BC (lost in NIT 1st Round) - lead by 2 at half but lost by 23

at FSU (lost in Elite 8) - lead by 1 at half, FSU lead by 1 with 5:00 left and won by 13

vs Wake (were 4-14) - lead by 1 at half but ended up losing by 6

vs UVa (got the #1 overall seed but lost to UMBC) - we were destroyed by 29

@ ND (lost in NIT 2nd Round) - lost by 17

ND in ACCT - lost by 3

As you can see, a team who was facing severe talent deficits against some really really good teams at least fought hard many times as long as they could. This year's team has 0 fight. This isnt meant to be an endorsement for Stallings. Its partly his fault for being so undermanned but he did get as much as he could out of that team. They were just bad. This year's team has much more talent and is playing a much weaker schedule but get blwon out from the tip it seems like.

It serves no purpose to make this comparison.

 

[wbrpanther]

I remember that team being badly and embarrassingly undermanned. However, they played hard. As outclassed as they were, they werent getting beatdowns every game like THIS team is. This year's team gets blown out early and often.

Let's look at that team's last 12 games:

vs NC St (lost in NCAAT 1st Round) - up by 10 at half, kept lead until 3:52. Lost by 4

vs Syr (ended up losing in NCAAT 2nd Round: tied with 9 minutes left. Ended up losing by 5

@ UNC (lost NCAAT 2nd Round) - lead by 1 with 3 to go in 1st Half but ended up losing by 31

@ Clemson (lost in Sweet 16) - trailed by 10 with 19:00 to go before losing by 24

vs Louisville (lost in NIT Quarterfinals) - got blown out by 34

vs BC (lost in NIT 1st Round) - lead by 2 at half but lost by 23

at FSU (lost in Elite 8) - lead by 1 at half, FSU lead by 1 with 5:00 left and won by 13

vs Wake (were 4-14) - lead by 1 at half but ended up losing by 6

vs UVa (got the #1 overall seed but lost to UMBC) - we were destroyed by 29

@ ND (lost in NIT 2nd Round) - lost by 17

ND in ACCT - lost by 3

As you can see, a team who was facing severe talent deficits against some really really good teams at least fought hard many times as long as they could. This year's team has 0 fight. This isnt meant to be an endorsement for Stallings. Its partly his fault for being so undermanned but he did get as much as he could out of that team. They were just bad. This year's team has much more talent and is playing a much weaker schedule but get blwon out from the tip it seems like.

Another hysterical post from Mr. reactionary.

 

[wbrpanther]

SMF is right on this one.

Another short memory.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Another hysterical post from Mr. reactionary.

What's your take then?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Question for DT, Joe, and JD. Which team had more fight, more heart? This one or 0-19? Your opinion. I know people dont like to agree with me but I remember those 0-19 kids playing hard and trying their best.

I don't need to give you an opinion, I can give you facts. Teams with no heart and no fight don't come back from being down big in games. Kind of by definition.

Sometimes you post stuff that is so dumb that I think that you must just be trolling. Other times, you post so much dumb stuff I really have to wonder if that's all it is.

 

[levance2]

No. It doesn't. Fighting back and making it close after being down big early is absolutely an indicator of heart. In what universe is it not?

I agree, but the opposite angle would be to question their mental and/or physical preparation at tipoff. Either their scouting is total garbage or they're not paying attention.

 

[DT_PITT]

I will answer your question with a proper question to you: why does this need to be a question at all? I don’t think either team lacked heart or didn’t/hasn’t tried its best. Neither team had/has the talent to win in this conference. This year’s group clearly has more than 2018, but still not enough to get your undies in a bunch worrying about the sky falling.

Right answer.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

when they get behind by a huge margin in these games all the time they just don’t know how to respond and stop the bleeding.

But that's the point, we actually have responded after being down big on numerous occasions this season. I mean just last Saturday we were down 54-41 with 3-1/2 minutes left to go in the game, and we came back to have a three pointer with five seconds left to win the game. How is that not responding? Our halftime deficit at North Carolina earlier this season was the third largest halftime comeback by an opponent in the history of the Dean Smith Center. How is that not responding? What about the other 10+ point first half deficits we've overcome this season? How is that not responding?

The problem isn't that when we get down we don't respond. The problem is that far too often we don't come out ready to play from the opening tip. But that's a completely different issue entirely from what SMF proposes.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I don't need to give you an opinion

Because you know I'm right. Go ahead and say this team had more heart and fight than the 0-19 team.

 

[thirteenNINE]

How does one even quantify heart? Does the ranking come from your gut?

I agree, but the opposite angle would be to question their mental and/or physical preparation at tipoff. Either their scouting is total garbage or they're not paying attention.

This is a pretty salient point though because I don't believe that our game prep this season has been up to standards at all.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Because you know I'm right. Go ahead and say this team had more heart and fight than the 0-19 team.

I've already said it, and backed it up with facts. You've come up with an easily disproven idea and latched on to it simply because it advances the narrative that you want to tout. No matter how stupid the idea is.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I agree, but the opposite angle would be to question their mental and/or physical preparation at tipoff. Either their scouting is total garbage or they're not paying attention.

Right. THAT'S a problem. The idea that this team has no fight is dumb. The idea that this team far too often has not been ready to play actually is the problem.

 

[gary2]

How does one even quantify heart? Does the ranking come from your gut?



This is a pretty salient point though because I don't believe that our game prep this season has been up to standards at all.

Sounds like a criticism of the coach. Is that allowed?

 

[Ski11585]

Sounds like a criticism of the coach. Is that allowed?

Plenty of people have criticized the coach. You got called out for making 15 threads saying the same thing over and over. That’s quite different.

 

[oldpantherfan]

Many of you are so full of it.
Please please stop pretending your fans, because nothing the team does will be good enough go be a fan somewhere else.
If any of you cn coach, recruit, or play better go do so, if not please shut up.
Your not really fans.

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

No. Both Capel teams had more than whatever that Stallings bunch was...