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The 1982 Backyard Brawl

Marino came into the game with 9 ints! That was about 1 every 10 throws. Yikes! I'm watching it now on Youtube.
 
I think you are referring to Jackie leaving for Texas A&M.

Johnny left for UT after the '76 season.
I think we were #1 going into the buy game at home against a buy team. Think it was the following year. I was at that game btw, a very young swervin. Don't recall the game though. Oh, we lost.

Edit, it was 84, we were #3 starting the s season, ended up at 3-7. Man, we talk about guys like graham and Haywood as bad coaches, Paul Hackett. Maby e we should include foge fazio as reasons for the decline from greatness, also a strong candidate for worst head coaching hire.
 
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i don't fault our school for putting academics over athletics. Our school has become a hard school to get into and moved up the academic rankings over the last 15 years.
 
i don't fault our school for putting academics over athletics. Our school has become a hard school to get into and moved up the academic rankings over the last 15 years.
It's our continued inabilities to value both. It's possible, many schools have done it. We used one to destroy the others in the 30s, 50s, 80s. The latter to the point where we still see the effects of it.
 
Pitt was in a tough position when Jackie left. Does Foge get promoted? Allow him to leave for another school? Without the benefit of hindsight, Pitt was in a no win situation.

And, no wins is a good way to describe Foge's tenure as a Pitt head coach.
 
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i don't fault our school for putting academics over athletics. Our school has become a hard school to get into and moved up the academic rankings over the last 15 years.

Yes, but Michigan, Penn State, Stanford, USC, Ohio State, Texas are pretty damn good academic schools and they certainly don't shy away from football.
 
Yes, but Michigan, Penn State, Stanford, USC, Ohio State, Texas are pretty damn good academic schools and they certainly don't shy away from football.

Add in Notre Dame. Alabama is trying to raise their academics as a result of their football success. Bringing in better students, professors, etc.
 
Our school has become a hard school to get into and moved up the academic rankings over the last 15 years.

So has Ohio State from the days when only a pulse was needed to get accepted. Add in the continued development that has been going on there since 1998, I'm jealous of those students now. Taking football extremely serious doesn't cloud graduation ceremonies in Columbus.

Pitt is a Mickey Mouse operation when it comes to athletics and that is nothing the school and alums should pound their chests over.
 
Let's not kid ourselves. Pitt is somewhat a better university than it was 20 years ago, to its credit. But the overall increases in applications and scores has at least as much to do with outside forces than anything brilliant its admins have done. The overall increases in high school students almost automatically moving right on to college out of high school (vs. jobs, vocational school, military, etc.) have lifted all university boats.

As a result, our relatively mediocre to bad sports aren't necessarily a drag on Pitt's applications and their quality. It's not helping either, though. So you have to wonder why Pitt bothers at all. Having BAD sports does no good at all.
 
i don't fault our school for putting academics over athletics. Our school has become a hard school to get into and moved up the academic rankings over the last 15 years.


classic snowflake.......

everything should move to the middle at the expense of some rising to the level of excellence.

God help us.....
 
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So has Ohio State from the days when only a pulse was needed to get accepted. Add in the continued development that has been going on there since 1998, I'm jealous of those students now. Taking football extremely serious doesn't cloud graduation ceremonies in Columbus.

Pitt is a Mickey Mouse operation when it comes to athletics and that is nothing the school and alums should pound their chests over.

Remember when Georgetown all of a sudden started to land the Patrick Ewing's and Reggie Williams' of the world? I don't think a Georgetown degree was cheapened by this.
 
Remember when Georgetown all of a sudden started to land the Patrick Ewing's and Reggie Williams' of the world? I don't think a Georgetown degree was cheapened by this.
It's a sad but true contradiction that having great sports lifts the overall perception of the school, at least schools like OSU, UNC, PSU, and yes, Duke and Stanford too. Duke is not merely a fine non -ivy school; it is DUKE!!! And that enhanced perception of Duke (and the others) as something better than it is, is oddly, strangely, but most definitely to do with the performance on courts and fields of athletes who normally would have no business being admitted to those schools (spare me the rare exceptions please... they are rare and exceptions), and must certainly are getting easier standards and special treatment the regular students aren't.

Yet by winning championships wearing the school name (and that's about where the involvement ends), people think the school is better, the school gets more and higher quality apps, more general donations (not just athletic donations), and, not to be underestimated, more weight to throw around in their states and communities.

And LOSING sports are seen to HURT these things... in Pitt's case not so much applications, which have improved, but certainly all other areas. All because of silly games. Weird.

Conversely, when scandals do manage to get through the PR and complicit media barriers to the public, it bizarrely doesn't have a NEGATIVE impact on the overall school. People read the confirmation that UNC athletes were given totally fake classes for years...and just shrug. "Everyone knows the sports have nothing to do with the real school." Yet WINNING makes them think more FAVORABLY of the overall school. Bizarre.

Never over-estimate the intelligence or underestimate the rationalization abilities of the human beings I suppose...unfortunately Pitt administrators do just that.
 
It's a sad but true contradiction that having great sports lifts the overall perception of the school, at least schools like OSU, UNC, PSU, and yes, Duke and Stanford too. Duke is not merely a fine non -ivy school; it is DUKE!!! And that enhanced perception of Duke (and the others) as something better than it is, is oddly, strangely, but most definitely to do with the performance on courts and fields of athletes who normally would have no business being admitted to those schools (spare me the rare exceptions please... they are rare and exceptions), and must certainly are getting easier standards and special treatment the regular students aren't.

Yet by winning championships wearing the school name (and that's about where the involvement ends), people think the school is better, the school gets more and higher quality apps, more general donations (not just athletic donations), and, not to be underestimated, more weight to throw around in their states and communities.

And LOSING sports are seen to HURT these things... in Pitt's case not so much applications, which have improved, but certainly all other areas. All because of silly games. Weird.

Conversely, when scandals do manage to get through the PR and complicit media barriers to the public, it bizarrely doesn't have a NEGATIVE impact on the overall school. People read the confirmation that UNC athletes were given totally fake classes for years...and just shrug. "Everyone knows the sports have nothing to do with the real school." Yet WINNING makes them think more FAVORABLY of the overall school. Bizarre.

Never over-estimate the intelligence or underestimate the rationalization abilities of the human beings I suppose...unfortunately Pitt administrators do just that.
admission applications increase after a football or hoops team wins a NC, this has been proven time and again. Successful sports programs benefits a school, something that again, has been proven time and again. most schools realized this decades ago. most schools realized that it is possible to value academics and athletics, pitt wasn't one of them.
 
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It's a sad but true contradiction that having great sports lifts the overall perception of the school, at least schools like OSU, UNC, PSU, and yes, Duke and Stanford too. Duke is not merely a fine non -ivy school; it is DUKE!!! And that enhanced perception of Duke (and the others) as something better than it is, is oddly, strangely, but most definitely to do with the performance on courts and fields of athletes who normally would have no business being admitted to those schools (spare me the rare exceptions please... they are rare and exceptions), and must certainly are getting easier standards and special treatment the regular students aren't.

Yet by winning championships wearing the school name (and that's about where the involvement ends), people think the school is better, the school gets more and higher quality apps, more general donations (not just athletic donations), and, not to be underestimated, more weight to throw around in their states and communities.

And LOSING sports are seen to HURT these things... in Pitt's case not so much applications, which have improved, but certainly all other areas. All because of silly games. Weird.

Conversely, when scandals do manage to get through the PR and complicit media barriers to the public, it bizarrely doesn't have a NEGATIVE impact on the overall school. People read the confirmation that UNC athletes were given totally fake classes for years...and just shrug. "Everyone knows the sports have nothing to do with the real school." Yet WINNING makes them think more FAVORABLY of the overall school. Bizarre.

Never over-estimate the intelligence or underestimate the rationalization abilities of the human beings I suppose...unfortunately Pitt administrators do just that.

Duke, used to have really super talented players who stayed 4 years and were really academically responsible. Much like Pitt BB over the past decade or so, only with much more talent. Now? They have as many 1 and dones as any, except for UK. And on a 1 & done, you only have to be eligible for a semester! Not even a year. So I am sure alot of these kids Duke now takes are exactly killing it via SAT's and GPA's.

Does that make Duke any lesser of an institution? No.

I am not sure why Pitt, and even some portions of the fanbase can't separate (incidentally the word I misspell every time) that on the field success does not hurt school's academic standings.
 
Duke, used to have really super talented players who stayed 4 years and were really academically responsible. Much like Pitt BB over the past decade or so, only with much more talent. Now? They have as many 1 and dones as any, except for UK. And on a 1 & done, you only have to be eligible for a semester! Not even a year. So I am sure alot of these kids Duke now takes are exactly killing it via SAT's and GPA's.

Does that make Duke any lesser of an institution? No.

I am not sure why Pitt, and even some portions of the fanbase can't separate (incidentally the word I misspell every time) that on the field success does not hurt school's academic standings.
yeah, they dodged that bullet much longer than most schools. I think Elton Brand (sp?) was one of the first to leave, followed quickly by Dunleavy then all heck broke loose. they were lucky enough to hold onto players for as long as they did..
 
The overall increases in high school students almost automatically moving right on to college out of high school (vs. jobs, vocational school, military, etc.) have lifted all university boats.


That may be true some places, but it most certainly is not true in Pennsylvania. In Pennsylvania the number of graduating seniors is going down every year, not up. The state school, Cal, Clarion, IUP, etc, are, for the most part, in big trouble because the number of high school seniors in PA keeps dropping and therefore the potential student pool keeps getting smaller and smaller. It is to the point that some people are saying that it may be necessary in the not to distant future for Pennsylvania to close one or more of the State schools.

The fact that Pitt's number of applications and academic profile continues to rise given what is going on in what is Pitt's best student recruiting area is astounding. If left to nothing other than "outside forces" Pitt's enrollment numbers and the quality of Pitt's classes would be dropping like a rock, not going up.
 
Pitt struggled offensively in that game. Foge had the immediate effect of screwing up Pitt's O that year and making Marino look ordinary.
You got that right.
That is Pitt all over....

Have one of the most talented teams ever , returning back for another season and the head coach leaves because of the knuckleheads in the Ath Dept.
Forge deserved a 5th yr to try to get things back together...but he wasn't up to speed to take a team all the way, which the 1982 should wo a doubt have done!!!
 
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You got that right.
That is Pitt all over....

Have one of the most talented teams ever , returning back for another season and the head coach leaves because of the knuckleheads in the Ath Dept.
Forge deserved a 5th yr to try to get things back together...but he wasn't up to speed to take a team all the way, which the 1982 should wo a doubt have done!!!

Lots of revisionist history in this thread. Foge was a first-year coach who led the '82 team to 4 victories over ranked opponents in the first 4 games! What kind of unrealistic expectations are there when you are supposed to blow-out the #14 ranked team (which, BTW defeated Oklahoma IN Norman)??

The poor recruiting of '80/'81 were starting to show in '82. You had a fumbler at tailback - Joe McCall. Two WR's who were erratic at best - count the dropped passes in this game, the PSU game and the bowl game on the YouTube videos. John Brown blew out his knee halfway thru the season... etc, etc. How many of the skill players on this '82 "Greatest team ever" went on to play more than 1 or 2 seasons in the NFL? Outside of Marino?? ZERO. Dwight Collins... arguably the best of them - had 1 TD and 11 catches in the NFL.
 
Lots of revisionist history in this thread. Foge was a first-year coach who led the '82 team to 4 victories over ranked opponents in the first 4 games! What kind of unrealistic expectations are there when you are supposed to blow-out the #14 ranked team (which, BTW defeated Oklahoma IN Norman)??

The poor recruiting of '80/'81 were starting to show in '82. You had a fumbler at tailback - Joe McCall. Two WR's who were erratic at best - count the dropped passes in this game, the PSU game and the bowl game on the YouTube videos. John Brown blew out his knee halfway thru the season... etc, etc. How many of the skill players on this '82 "Greatest team ever" went on to play more than 1 or 2 seasons in the NFL? Outside of Marino?? ZERO. Dwight Collins... arguably the best of them - had 1 TD and 11 catches in the NFL.
Only Foge could take a Marino QBed team to a bowl and not even score a touchdown. Revisionist history, my a$$! The offense was lousy and the team lacked chemistry... a lot of in-fighting. His coaching in the PSU game that year in State college was beyond pathetic...he lost track of what down it was on the goal line...Foge...career asst. and a good one at that but he was no HC.
 
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Interesting that Hostetler was going to transfer to Pitt or WVU. Marino was in the way here, so it would not make sense. There were some big time QB's from this area during that time period. Marino, Kelly, Hostetler, Kosar, etc.
 
Lots of revisionist history in this thread. Foge was a first-year coach who led the '82 team to 4 victories over ranked opponents in the first 4 games! What kind of unrealistic expectations are there when you are supposed to blow-out the #14 ranked team (which, BTW defeated Oklahoma IN Norman)??

The poor recruiting of '80/'81 were starting to show in '82. You had a fumbler at tailback - Joe McCall. Two WR's who were erratic at best - count the dropped passes in this game, the PSU game and the bowl game on the YouTube videos. John Brown blew out his knee halfway thru the season... etc, etc. How many of the skill players on this '82 "Greatest team ever" went on to play more than 1 or 2 seasons in the NFL? Outside of Marino?? ZERO. Dwight Collins... arguably the best of them - had 1 TD and 11 catches in the NFL.
Forge did not do a good job with that team...
Don't really know what you were watching and anybody who saw them play knew that they seemed to sleep walk through many games that year..

Never said greatest team ever
Never said blow outs
That's your bullshite

They underperformed much of that year.
 
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Only Foge could take a Marino QBed team to a bowl and not even score a touchdown. Revisionist history, my a$$! The offense was lousy and the team lacked chemistry... a lot of in-fighting. His coaching in the PSU game that year in State college was beyond pathetic...he lost track of what down it was on the goal line...Foge...career asst. and a good one at that but he was no HC.
Way over his head that year....

He took a team to the Cotton Bowl with Marino at QB and they scored 3 points.
3 points .
That was the only team post WWII to go to Dallas on New Years Day and not score a TD

And it had Marino at QB


As I said they should have given Foge another year but nobody should kid themselves he did a good job coaching that 1982 team.
 
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