And it starts and ends with the coach. Capel is a nice guy. Even a charismatic guy. He can recruit pretty well. He has shown an eye for talent. He is just not a very good coach. After seven years, the verdict is in.
The Most Disappointing Pitt Team In Recent Memory
- Thread starter Protes
- Start date
Well said. Seems like a good character guy who teaches good life lessons and is a father figure to players, but his X’s and O’s are awful.
His teams don't value winning the non-sexy facets of basketball games. Just a bunch of glitz and glam chasers. Imagine what the Capel tenure would like like if Blake Hinson wasn't winning games of HORSE every night. We didn't even run great offenses to get him good looks; he just made them in spite of that.
He can recruit guards. He has yet to recruit a legit big man. With Lowe and Legget you’d think he could have attacked a decent big the offseason.
His teams are generally soft and lack grit
His teams are generally soft and lack grit
Unconfirmed locker room photo … apparently it fell short as well…
Tonight, this team did absolutely nothing right. They were outrebounded, turned the ball over, couldn't play defense to save their lives, players stood around with cement in their shoes on offense and defense, didn't know or weren't coached on how to use ball movement and play a real offense, and Capel and crew were totally outcoached and outclassed by a bad team.
With this horrible loss to a bottom tier ACC team, we now must win the rest of our league games and hope to win at least 1 in the ACCT. Then hope we get lucky with the committee. But we're looking at 2 losses in front of us, which will make 4 in a row. This isn't going to happen.
With this horrible loss to a bottom tier ACC team, we now must win the rest of our league games and hope to win at least 1 in the ACCT. Then hope we get lucky with the committee. But we're looking at 2 losses in front of us, which will make 4 in a row. This isn't going to happen.
I hope we can win 2 to have a nonliving season. Maybe we can win 3 and go 17-15.
Yet the usual board #@%$^ attacked me last week when I was critical of this Pitt team. There is something systemically wrong with this team and program. They lack talent, coaching and desire. The beginning of the year was an illusion and Pitt fans who thought we'd get to the NCAAT are delusional.
We're going to have to win the rest of our games to have a chance at being on the bubble after this really bad loss to a bottom tier ACC team. That is reality. It's not going to happen. Look at the schedule.
We're going to have to win the rest of our games to have a chance at being on the bubble after this really bad loss to a bottom tier ACC team. That is reality. It's not going to happen. Look at the schedule.
That wasn't why people were "attacking" you.
It's stupid stuff like that that had people disagreeing with you. Which caused you to have a fit.
Yep. And this collapse is happening in the weakest ACC in the history of the conference. The weakest conference Pitt has played in since the Eastern 8.
What terrible timing with the Pete reseating this year. Everything built the last two seasons is just being crushed instead of Pitt cementing its place in the top echelon of the conference.
The team has no fight, no heart...soft has been thrown around and that is beyond true. Mentally soft, no discipline. It is like Capel has lost the team (again) after some adversity. It is the complete opposite of the 2000s teams. Even the CBI team was more fun and interesting to watch than this one. Coaching has shown no ability to channel frustration or disappointment into something positive.
I really wanted Capel to work out (as I do any coach), and was really hoping he'd find success, but 7 years is a lot of data to look at. It's going to be ugly going into the off season unless something dramatic changes.
I guess that's the silver lining. If there was ever a time for a season like this, it's leading up to another completely moronic reseating of the building.
Karma is a bitch, I guess.
I wish for a day when Pitt is healthy enough that my seats would get worse, not better; where it was bringing in enough revenue where it could do something about a program that has seen 1 post season in 7 years. I want to win more than I want to retain my seats.
But this season is undermining the entire purpose of any calculated attempt at maximizing revenue, and because it will always alienate some and not bring the financial results they had hoped for, it is going to ratchet the pressure up. I'll can't cheer for failure of the athletic department to bring in revenue that it needs to compete, even if it benefits me personally.
I got the email today. They can have my seats. I'm Stubhubbing the whole season next year for $100
Pissing off your long time fans in order to cater to Johnny-come-latelies is never a good strategy. When they did it the last time we moved back two rows. Within a few years the people who moved into our seats were long gone, and we were right back where we started. And the same thing will happen this time. You will move people, even if just a few rows or whatever, and it will piss them off, all in an effort to cater to people who follow the motto, when the going gets tough, we'll just find something else to do.
It was a dumb long term strategy when they did it before, and the only reason why it won't be nearly as dumb this time is because there simply aren't nearly as many people around any more to piss off. And given the way the season is falling apart, there will be even fewer next year than there are this year.
They've been talking about it for a year now. If you just found out about it today, ah, well, I think that says something.
And his SMF like imitation of Rain Man. Defense. Rebounding. Kmart. Wapner.
Did I say I just found out about it today? This stupid idea is 2 years old and I have posted about it.
If they dont sack Capel they need to shake up the assistant coaches. Get a guy that can actually draw up an offensive set.
If this season goes off the rails completely, I don't see how this reseat does anything other than cause even more people to drop season tickets. What a slap in the face to your ever-shrinking core fanbase.
This goes back to the blue backs at Fitzgerald. They grandfathered people in that gave almost nothing, or nothing. Forever having rights to certain seats can't be a strategy for determining seating. Especially when you are running giving programs on the premise of tiered benefits and giving rankings. The giving levels have to mean something. Now, I think you could make an argument of the hierarchy of what determines seating, giving level vs priority point rank, but you have to have something.
Last edited:
You have some mental problems. You have delusional psychosis and associated hallucinations. Get some help immediately. Pitt fans know what we're looking at with this team, and it's not even close to being good.
And yes, we'll need to win every one of our remaining games and possibly even 1 in the ACCT to be on the bubble. At this point, we may not even make the ACCT. There's your dose of reality. Learn from it.
It has to be a complete house cleaning. Now we'll see if this new AD has the guts to do anything.
I get this but there is no demand for hoops season tickets right now, and that was true before this season went off the rails. Who are they fooling?
I'm no whale, but my PC rank is pretty high and I've continually bought tickets for years despite the program committing suicide in 2016. I don't want to move my damn seats.
Isnt this much ado about nothing. There's like no season ticket holders. I would imagine everyone can get better seats if they want them.
Because you can't decide to do this after each basketball season just based on that season's performance. They have to give people warning, set up the seat selection process, and most importantly have time to advertise the benefits of increased giving. No one was predicting Pitt's season was going to crash and burn. There is no way people can tell the future.
BTW, they just gave huge priority point bonuses to long-time consecutive season ticket holders (10 and 20 years).
His Lack of energy on the sidelines or communication with his players - pervades the team
Or you know - read the room
And simply don’t do it when demand is as low as it’s been since stallings mercy flushed the program !
For me, I think this is the most disappointing season since the 2011-12 CBI year, relative to actually having expectations at least. Sadly this was the most confident I felt about a Pitt team making the tournament going into the season in a while, especially with the promising early start.
This season honestly doesn't surprise me at all. I questioned the expectations from day one, although basketball-first fans are kind of a weird breed who like to cite all these goofy acronym advanced stats to build some kind of perfectly-equated Madden team in their own heads.
Common sense said that losing Bub and Hinson meant the path to being close to last year's time, once it found its stride, would have to involve Amsal and Cohren being very good players. Well, not so much.
Common sense said that losing Bub and Hinson meant the path to being close to last year's time, once it found its stride, would have to involve Amsal and Cohren being very good players. Well, not so much.
when do you do it then? Never? Because the likelihood of getting it back to Dixon days is very low, if it ever happens in anyone's lifetime. Every five years, that's what was decided back in 2018 when they decided to flip the court and it started with the 2020 reseat. It's five years later, and its here again. Everyone can expect a reseat again in 2030, whether Pitt has won a four straight natties or gone 0-18 for four straight years.
You want to make an argument to scrap reseating all together, that is fine, but then expect people to think they have ownershp of their seats forever no matter what they give, just like back in the Fitz. That's not how power conference programs operate.
Isn’t that a good thing ?
That loyal fans feel ownership of their seats ?
Let me ask you this question-
Do you think donation levels for basketball are higher now than prior to the last reseat ?’
Buddy - you’re selling a bad idea.
Kansas , UNC, and Duke aren’t reshuffling their loyal fans regularly - since im
Friends with season ticket holders for all 3.
It's very hard to have re-seating when few people are there to re-seat. After this season, more people will drop their season's tickets.
I'm waiting to see what The Zoo looks like later this year and into next year.
I'm waiting to see what The Zoo looks like later this year and into next year.
