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The year is 2031

Where will the city’s football stadium(S) be located?
I'll play.

The Steelers will be spending a season at Mountaineer Field, perhaps also some games at Beaver Stadium, as well as a game in London, while the city and county build them a new replacement on the site of Heinz.

Pitt will be out of D1 football due to contraction of the P5 into a 4 Division uber- league no longer under the nettlesome auspices of the NCAA.

But Pitt will have made a deal with the Steelers to hold some soccer and lacrosse games at the new stadium. The university sports of favor.

How? Because with Dan Rooney long dead (hell, Art maybe as well by then) the new place will at last have the latest SOTA synthetic surface.
 
If I had to put money on it, I would say there is some major 9 figure renovation to Heinz Field and yes, it might involve games in Morgantown, State College, even London and Landover.
Oh, if you live in Allegheny County by any chance, you'll be putting money on it. More accurately, INTO it. We all will.
 
With the trend of moving back into the cities. I expect the population will remain stagnant, but the income levels to increase. This in it’s self will raise
The levels of high schools and taxation for Pittsburgh/Allegheny County.
With the increase in the medical money available . UPMC will be the dominant employer not just in the county but the region as well.

They will become the builder of Pitt’s new stadium on the Southside.
It will be a stare of the art 40,000 seat stadium with an athletic hospital connected to it on one side. State of the art training facility on the other side. Shops all around the underside of the stadium.

Too Dream!
 
With the trend of moving back into the cities. I expect the population will remain stagnant, but the income levels to increase. This in it’s self will raise
The levels of high schools and taxation for Pittsburgh/Allegheny County.
With the increase in the medical money available . UPMC will be the dominant employer not just in the county but the region as well.

They will become the builder of Pitt’s new stadium on the Southside.
It will be a stare of the art 40,000 seat stadium with an athletic hospital connected to it on one side. State of the art training facility on the other side. Shops all around the underside of the stadium.

Too Dream!
It's not a crazy dream in context of some of the prerequisites that would be needed. The biggest is a total embracing / funding / cooperation/ implementation of non-bus rapid mass transit, in whatever form. Great mass transit would make the location you state a possibility. It would be quite IMPOSSIBLE though otherwise; auto access and parking simply not adequate.

Next, I frankly don't see it for football. Pitt only keeps football now because it is required for the conference. Pitt is mad for the politically acceptable global sports like soccer and lacrosse. Where we have no interest in the dirty business of winning in football, might be quite different for soccer. I could easily see willingness to deficit spend and gasp, even to cheat to win in soccer that is anathema today to Pitt for football and basketball.

So Pitt would throw in to create the kind of facility you mention. I envision they'll be totally gung ho to develop a grand right sized facility that so many here clamor for. But it won't be for football, I'll be for these sports.

Maybe football will be able to piggyback on to it if we still have it 12 years out. But I see college football changing / contracting to the serious blue bloods (and no NCAA) by then, however. We definitely won't be in that mix.

How that impacts the current conference structure I dunno, can't see it staying the same either, but with basketball and baseball still big deals for the ACC it's possible. The money won't be as sweet without the football powerhouse members (I'd see ND, FSU, Clemson, maybe VT and UNC moving out) but still formidable. And I do think soccer and maybe lacrosse will inevitably be higher profile national sports by then, they're being crammed down our throats more every day (i definitely see progressives becoming politically dominant soon as well, sealing that direction). More mass popularity and participation, perhaps not so organic (aka government emphasized), will still be conducive to bigger sponsorship and viewership revenues. Pitt, which appears a wholehearted devotee to this direction, will be well positioned.

It can happen. Some here will be thrilled when it does (and the reasons it does). Others, eh, not so much! But I'll be in my 60s by then (God willing) and even less concerned for football than I am now, which is already far less than I was in my 40s, etc. Maybe it's time.
 
It's not a crazy dream in context of some of the prerequisites that would be needed. The biggest is a total embracing / funding / cooperation/ implementation of non-bus rapid mass transit, in whatever form. Great mass transit would make the location you state a possibility. It would be quite IMPOSSIBLE though otherwise; auto access and parking simply not adequate.

Next, I frankly don't see it for football. Pitt only keeps football now because it is required for the conference. Pitt is mad for the politically acceptable global sports like soccer and lacrosse. Where we have no interest in the dirty business of winning in football, might be quite different for soccer. I could easily see willingness to deficit spend and gasp, even to cheat to win in soccer that is anathema today to Pitt for football and basketball.

So Pitt would throw in to create the kind of facility you mention. I envision they'll be totally gung ho to develop a grand right sized facility that so many here clamor for. But it won't be for football, I'll be for these sports.

Maybe football will be able to piggyback on to it if we still have it 12 years out. But I see college football changing / contracting to the serious blue bloods (and no NCAA) by then, however. We definitely won't be in that mix.

How that impacts the current conference structure I dunno, can't see it staying the same either, but with basketball and baseball still big deals for the ACC it's possible. The money won't be as sweet without the football powerhouse members (I'd see ND, FSU, Clemson, maybe VT and UNC moving out) but still formidable. And I do think soccer and maybe lacrosse will inevitably be higher profile national sports by then, they're being crammed down our throats more every day (i definitely see progressives becoming politically dominant soon as well, sealing that direction). More mass popularity and participation, perhaps not so organic (aka government emphasized), will still be conducive to bigger sponsorship and viewership revenues. Pitt, which appears a wholehearted devotee to this direction, will be well positioned.

It can happen. Some here will be thrilled when it does (and the reasons it does). Others, eh, not so much! But I'll be in my 60s by then (God willing) and even less concerned for football than I am now, which is already far less than I was in my 40s, etc. Maybe it's time.
Yes, but isn't basketball a "global" and "politically correct" sport in all facets? So......why aren't we all in for this?
 
Where will the city’s football stadium(S) be located?

After society collapses, what used to be known as football will be played in the now dead, but fenced in area that was downtown Pittsburgh. Teams of 100 players, armed with primitive weapons and armored vehicles will battle to move an iron ball across the city to the goal. Deaths are a regular part of the game but the local oligarchs who have come to lord over whatever is left of the world keep control by satisfying the blood lust of the remaining members of society who barely exist in the remnants of civilization. Replay is used, not to settle disputed plays, but to verify the cause of death and determine what wagers are settled, adding to the intrigue of the game. Why do the players, play? A lucky few that survive and gain stardom may be able to elevate their families to an elite subclass but it's a risk everyone is willing to take.
 
With the trend of moving back into the cities. I expect the population will remain stagnant, but the income levels to increase. This in it’s self will raise
The levels of high schools and taxation for Pittsburgh/Allegheny County.
With the increase in the medical money available . UPMC will be the dominant employer not just in the county but the region as well.

They will become the builder of Pitt’s new stadium on the Southside.
It will be a stare of the art 40,000 seat stadium with an athletic hospital connected to it on one side. State of the art training facility on the other side. Shops all around the underside of the stadium.

Too Dream!

Moving back into the cities? Recently the trend has turned in the other direction for places like New York and San Francisco with people fleeing in droves to escape the escalating cost of living, ever higher taxes, crime and squalor. Pittsburgh may be an exception due to its smaller more manageable size, however.
 
Competent administration will begin a new era of athletics with major development taking place at the Pete and across the street at the various parking garages and BB fields. A 40k seat (with retractable tarps galore and mechanized seating, multi-purpose stadium for Football, soccer, track, and baseball will be erected.

Pitt, under the consult and auspices of yours truly, Perchman, a retired lean six sigma master black belt, will embrace modern and developing technology and offer little to no parking due to the advent of autonomous cars, thus negating the negative for spaceous parking lots...becoming a benchmark and standard-setting institution for the NCAA to see. My fee will be nothing more than all the O fries with cheese sauce I can eat and better make it 40mg of Crestor sprinkled on top.

The Steelers? who cares. Heinz will be renovated and downsized for a MLS franchise: The Pittsburgh Pisces - yes, I know, The Fish that Saved Pittsburgh - Perchman. That's me. :D


Edit: The city of Pittsburgh will also erect toll booths, slapping huge entertainment taxes on all vehicles with WV tags on the south bound lanes of I-79....which function/manned 2 hours before and 6 hours after kickoff, making it cost prohibitive for Hoopies to send their unmanned 1981 Chevy lifted pickups back home.
 
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It's not a crazy dream in context of some of the prerequisites that would be needed. The biggest is a total embracing / funding / cooperation/ implementation of non-bus rapid mass transit, in whatever form. Great mass transit would make the location you state a possibility. It would be quite IMPOSSIBLE though otherwise; auto access and parking simply not adequate.

Next, I frankly don't see it for football. Pitt only keeps football now because it is required for the conference. Pitt is mad for the politically acceptable global sports like soccer and lacrosse. Where we have no interest in the dirty business of winning in football, might be quite different for soccer. I could easily see willingness to deficit spend and gasp, even to cheat to win in soccer that is anathema today to Pitt for football and basketball.

So Pitt would throw in to create the kind of facility you mention. I envision they'll be totally gung ho to develop a grand right sized facility that so many here clamor for. But it won't be for football, I'll be for these sports.

Maybe football will be able to piggyback on to it if we still have it 12 years out. But I see college football changing / contracting to the serious blue bloods (and no NCAA) by then, however. We definitely won't be in that mix.

How that impacts the current conference structure I dunno, can't see it staying the same either, but with basketball and baseball still big deals for the ACC it's possible. The money won't be as sweet without the football powerhouse members (I'd see ND, FSU, Clemson, maybe VT and UNC moving out) but still formidable. And I do think soccer and maybe lacrosse will inevitably be higher profile national sports by then, they're being crammed down our throats more every day (i definitely see progressives becoming politically dominant soon as well, sealing that direction). More mass popularity and participation, perhaps not so organic (aka government emphasized), will still be conducive to bigger sponsorship and viewership revenues. Pitt, which appears a wholehearted devotee to this direction, will be well positioned.

It can happen. Some here will be thrilled when it does (and the reasons it does). Others, eh, not so much! But I'll be in my 60s by then (God willing) and even less concerned for football than I am now, which is already far less than I was in my 40s, etc. Maybe it's time.
You are either insane or a genius, not sure which one. Regardless, I enjoyed this post.
 
You are either insane or a genius, not sure which one. Regardless, I enjoyed this post.
I'm certainly no genius (don't everyone fall over themselves to agree). Insane, possibly.

I just see how the winds are blowing, or passing, etc. And I type it out. 10-12 years, who knows.

I know im viewed as a pessimist, troll, closet nit etc. I don't see all or even much of what i wrote as pessimistic though. I truly think Pitt can be a great national soccer program. Because the school has tons of resources at its disposal for things it really would want to get behind, and i see this as one of em.

But for the opposite reason I really can't see Pitt continuing in football in the current vein for more than another decade. There is too much indifference or distaste at the high level, and things are just eroding too much year by year. As mundane as 6-6 is, with the way recruiting is trending for us (gradually downward) and with the steady or increased resources our peers are throwing at football, even annual 6-6 will grow tougher to maintain. If that is only drawing 35000 to games now, what is perennial 4-8 gonna draw? Attendance itself is a symptom not a disease; but eventually... 10, 12, 15 years ... the top programs (and whatever the broadcast model is at the time) will grow tired of all the chaff drawing from their largess, and contract into a super league, and football will be over for us.
 
I'm certainly no genius (don't everyone fall over themselves to agree). Insane, possibly.

I just see how the winds are blowing, or passing, etc. And I type it out. 10-12 years, who knows.

I know im viewed as a pessimist, troll, closet nit etc. I don't see all or even much of what i wrote as pessimistic though. I truly think Pitt can be a great national soccer program. Because the school has tons of resources at its disposal for things it really would want to get behind, and i see this as one of em.

But for the opposite reason I really can't see Pitt continuing in football in the current vein for more than another decade. There is too much indifference or distaste at the high level, and things are just eroding too much year by year. As mundane as 6-6 is, with the way recruiting is trending for us (gradually downward) and with the steady or increased resources our peers are throwing at football, even annual 6-6 will grow tougher to maintain. If that is only drawing 35000 to games now, what is perennial 4-8 gonna draw? Attendance itself is a symptom not a disease; but eventually... 10, 12, 15 years ... the top programs (and whatever the broadcast model is at the time) will grow tired of all the chaff drawing from their largess, and contract into a super league, and football will be over for us.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass when I ask this, I promise. If you are so convinced that Pitt football will never be more than it is now, why do you spend sooooo much time on a Pitt football message board?

And, repeat the same doom and gloom message over, and over, and over again?

I think anyone who reads this board at least once a week knows your position. I don't think many agree with it, but I'm pretty sure they know it.

Again, I'm not trying to be "That Guy" when I ask this, but why so much time on something you see as a failing venture?
 
I'm not trying to be a smart ass when I ask this, I promise. If you are so convinced that Pitt football will never be more than it is now, why do you spend sooooo much time on a Pitt football message board?

And, repeat the same doom and gloom message over, and over, and over again?

I think anyone who reads this board at least once a week knows your position. I don't think many agree with it, but I'm pretty sure they know it.

Again, I'm not trying to be "That Guy" when I ask this, but why so much time on something you see as a failing venture?
Just hoping i might shame those at Pitt who monitor these boards into action, maybe.

I have two degrees from Pitt and it's one of those schools that don't have a great rep on its own (it's really just an OK school... face it). But like many (Ohio State, UNC etc) it's rep benefits when it's sports are good (or diminishes when they stink, especially locally). It's frankly moronic that this is the case, most of the best athletes are total frauds as students and the coaches are about a 180 from the principles of higher ed ... ours included (if unshackled). But it totally is true.

So selfishly, and for other grads, I'd like to see all of our boats lifted. Thus I helpfully provide provocative yet rock-solid opinions and suggestions, backed by irrefutable and platinum clad facts, on how Pitt should improve its sports and therefore it's standing. Which makes all our degrees just a little bit more valuable.

Plus, it's just fun to dish during down times between work drudgery, etc. Others smoke, or Facebook, or tweet, or comment on foxnews articles, or whatever.

The beauty is that people are welcome to put me on ignore, as I do with others that I find distasteful.

But you're just avoiding the truth by doing that. And humbly speaking, missing out on some great wit. I'm freaking HILARIOUS. Handsome bloke too. :D
 
Just hoping i might shame those at Pitt who monitor these boards into action, maybe.

I have two degrees from Pitt and it's one of those schools that don't have a great rep on its own (it's really just an OK school... face it). But like many (Ohio State, UNC etc) it's rep benefits when it's sports are good (or diminishes when they stink, especially locally). It's frankly moronic that this is the case, most of the best athletes are total frauds as students and the coaches are about a 180 from the principles of higher ed ... ours included (if unshackled). But it totally is true.

So selfishly, and for other grads, I'd like to see all of our boats lifted. Thus I helpfully provide provocative yet rock-solid opinions and suggestions, backed by irrefutable and platinum clad facts, on how Pitt should improve its sports and therefore it's standing. Which makes all our degrees just a little bit more valuable.

Plus, it's just fun to dish during down times between work drudgery, etc. Others smoke, or Facebook, or tweet, or comment on foxnews articles, or whatever.

The beauty is that people are welcome to put me on ignore, as I do with others that I find distasteful.

But you're just avoiding the truth by doing that. And humbly speaking, missing out on some great wit. I'm freaking HILARIOUS. Handsome bloke too. :D
It's all good; do as you please. Plus, there's nothing distasteful about your posts. I'm just not of the belief that this board (free side, anyway) is followed by anyone who matters to effect change. Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think there are better ways to reach those who would be considered the movers and shakers of all things Pitt football.
 
It's all good; do as you please. Plus, there's nothing distasteful about your posts. I'm just not of the belief that this board (free side, anyway) is followed by anyone who matters to effect change. Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think there are better ways to reach those who would be considered the movers and shakers of all things Pitt football.
Well, i'm really not seriously expecting that.

It's all just fun.
 
Well, i'm really not seriously expecting that.

It's all just fun.
It's all good.

A case in point why I don't think anyone would take the free board seriously is that we have quite a few posters who pretend to be something they're not. Usually, a Pitt fan. We even have a guy who not only pretends to be a Pitt fan, but also a doctor. He even has at least one other account he posts on to give himself up votes.

I can't for the life of me think that anyone who is associated with Pitt athletics would wade through that BS to come to any conclusions about Pitt football fans in general.

The pay board may be a lot different, I don't know.
 
It's all good.

A case in point why I don't think anyone would take the free board seriously is that we have quite a few posters who pretend to be something they're not. Usually, a Pitt fan. We even have a guy who not only pretends to be a Pitt fan, but also a doctor. He even has at least one other account he posts on to give himself up votes.

I can't for the life of me think that anyone who is associated with Pitt athletics would wade through that BS to come to any conclusions about Pitt football fans in general.

The pay board may be a lot different, I don't know.
I’m not a doctor but I practically gave birth to my first one, daughter. Hospital in Gaithersburg md. Freakin doc gave me the pole position, I did all the work.

All that stuff you see on tv is false. Any of you guys want to save money and just have me do it, I’m in. I ask for a bottle of Jameson, a pair of pitt mesh hoops shorts and drinks on you after.
 
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I’m not a doctor but I practically gave birth to my first daughter. Hospital in Gaithersburg md. Freakin doc gave me the pole position, I did all the work.

All that stuff you see on tv is false. Any of you guys want to save money and just have me do it, I’m in. I ask for a bottle of Jameson, a pair of pitt mesh hoops shorts and drinks on you after.
No cigar?
 
Moving back into the cities? Recently the trend has turned in the other direction for places like New York and San Francisco with people fleeing in droves to escape the escalating cost of living, ever higher taxes, crime and squalor. Pittsburgh may be an exception due to its smaller more manageable size, however.
Nobody lives there anymore, it’s too crowded
 
I think Pitt spends a year at PNC Park while new stadium is built where Heinz is
 
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