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Theater of the Absurd

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The sports media world handles the presence of Penn State's football team in the Big 10's current "championship" game largely as matter of fact business. That is ironic along a couple of dimensions.

First, neither of the participants in the game appears as if it will jump two other, idle-this-week, Fat-10 teams, win or lose, in the quest for the NCCAF's CFP. I don't have huge heartburn with this reality given that college football, because of unbalanced schedules, "warm-up" games, diverse conference/division structures, etc., can't equate a conference's championship standing as a pure, objective and relative ranking of teams. So... relax and live with it. No crime there.

But more ironic, tragic really, is the business-as-usual manner in which PSU's presence is being treated. Worse is the sense from some quarters of relief, perhaps even welcoming, of Penn State back into the higher levels of college football. And all of this occurring at the very same time - as if in a parallel universe - that the machinations and repercussions from the worst and most despicable scandal in sports history continue apace.

Just a couple of weeks ago the US Dept of Education levied the most onerous penalties and damning critiques of a university, ever, against Penn State for it's non-compliance with the base-line safety structures demanded by the Clery Act. While that investigation of the horrors of the Sandusky Child Abuse cover-up are what triggered that investigation, a large part of the condemnation from that same investigation focused on the basic, dysfunctional operations of the athletic department and its relation to the administrative functions of that university. The football team, in particular, ran amok. That played out even before the breaking of the news of the Sandusky scandal in the astounding behaviors by the football coach, the wild and reckless behavior of the players and their run-ins with the local police (already compromised by fealty to the university's football program), and the entire upside-down authority structure that permitted this entire mess.

In effect, the Clery Report makes moot any of the bogus defense strategies of Paterno that have been constructed by the Cult and the JoeBots... that he did what he should have done in the scandal and was, in fact, noble in his actions. Clery Act reporting says that even had the Sandusky Scandal never broken, PSU football was an abomination... the very example of a program operating with virtually no institution controls. It is not only in league with shameful episodes which have been uncovered at U of Miami, Oklahoma, Baylor. But it substantiates what U of Oregon's then-president Ray (a member of the NCAA's executive committee) said of PSU when the Freeh Report and their own analysis was issued: It was absolutely the worst violation of institutional control that he'd ever seen.

This from a university whose entire DNA screamed out: "We are superior to you other schools... you rabble of cheaters and corner-cutters. We do things the right way... the Penn State way. We are led by a demi-god, a man this sport needs and to whom this university owes its unique and wondrous standing. Only those that are 'Penn State material' need apply". WE ARE!! (oh, and YOU aren't)

Which brings about this reality for any fan with even a modicum of thoughtfulness on the current college football situation: Penn State's participation in this championship quest is a fraudulent disgrace. NOT because of their shaky credentials for being in a championship game or their degree of luck in getting there. But... because that University, in spite of the shame that its fan-base refuses to acknowledge and the depths to which this university and its supporters will go to duck the responsibility that it should bear (instead being content to pay-off the controversy to the tune, for now, of nearly 1/5th of a billion dollars), acts as if nothing ever happened.

In fairness, as Cap'n Sid on one these boards correctly points out, PSU instituted many dozens of new processes and policies to re-govern its renegade football program as a result of the Freeh and NCAA's investigation. That is commendable... and should be the central image of Penn State. Not, "WE ARE" But instead "We still play football because we were forced to completely overhaul our criminal and disgraced program as mandated when this university's shameful culture was exposed."

If the university and its current leadership ever stops to acknowledge that fact and apologize for the otherwise unspoken elephant in the room, it might be easier to "move on" and see this as a legitimate "new era" in Penn State football. But that is virtually inconceivable given the mindset of that weird, insular, arrogant and brutal cult in Central PA. The administration that took over in the wake of the scandal (Erickson, Surma, et al) seem to have been the only ones, thus far, to even attempt to do the right things. They were hounded out and harassed.

Until then, watching that university compete in national-scale football competition is nauseating.
 
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Its a big deal for them. They haven't actually won that many since joining. 3 I think?
 
Ahh... I think the central point of my post was that this is all occuring contemporaneously. Clery Act findings only a couple of weeks old, news of another multi-million dollar award via Mike McQueary suit... only 2 days old.

Dead story?
Right on, but that doesn't meet TD's agenda. All of these penalties are currently being levied, including the failure of the university academically, athletically, and socially by trying to crush anyone who dares to disrupt their view of their precious football program.
 
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The scandal is in the past.

For people like you it is. For the rest of the reasonable and objective people in the world it will NEVER be. Like with other heinous and horrific issues, people with consciences won't forget.

This is an indelible stain on the University and their football program. Regardless of any nit sympathizers claims to the contrary.
 
Right on, but that doesn't meet TD's agenda. All of these penalties are currently being levied, including the failure of the university academically, athletically, and socially by trying to crush anyone who dares to disrupt their view of their precious football program.
Great, great point, VA. That distills the situation so nicely:

Failure of academics, athletics, and obviously culture, morals, ethics, etc.
 
Pretty much a dead story. Google Penn State football and I'd say you will get stuff about the PSU/Wisconsin game. Most people live in the present.
 
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Nit sympathizers.


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Pretty much a dead story. Google Penn State football and I'd say you will get stuff about the PSU/Wisconsin game. Most people live in the present.
-After what was shown on TV today from gameday and the remarks from Howard and Herbstreit, you couldn't be more wrong. There's about 30 different threads about it on the Penn State board on how Penn State should sue ESPN and their analysts for slander, lol. You clearly missed the comedy show earlier today which was a Penn State hatefest. I found it quite entertaining.
 
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TD is correct, unfortunately.
People, especially sports media, don't inherently care, aside from fans of other teams trolling psu fans.

A sad commentary on society, but that's nothing new with college sports.
 
TD is correct, unfortunately.
People, especially sports media, don't inherently care, aside from fans of other teams trolling psu fans.

A sad commentary on society, but that's nothing new with college sports.

-Apparently neither of you watched college gameday today
 
TD is correct, unfortunately.
People, especially sports media, don't inherently care, aside from fans of other teams trolling psu fans.

A sad commentary on society, but that's nothing new with college sports.
Any way of providing a link? Missed it.
 
I hope it eas
That's not the same as pretending it never happened. And as long as the 3 stooges await trial the scandal is not in the past.

Yeah, but sports fans don't care about the trial. They only care about the effect on the football program going foward, which is zero.
 
Any way of providing a link? Missed it.
What's your point?
Have you heard anyone, outside of message board chatter, disapprove of psu's presence in big ten title game because of the scandal? Do they even bring it up, aside from the lightweight sanctions they had to deal with?
 
What's your point?
Have you heard anyone, outside of message board chatter, disapprove of psu's presence in big ten title game because of the scandal? Do they even bring it up, aside from the lightweight sanctions they had to deal with?

-How are you still talking when you did not watch college gameday today? Ive said it 3 times in this thread.
 
As Richard Crenna said to Sly Stallone in Rambo "that war, Its over Johnny"...what happened in the past is painful for Penn Staters. The people there today have less than zero to do with it. The student body who are just normal folks, they don't deserve to move on from that heinous stuff? Sorry dude...its over Pittsburgh Fan...its over.
My son was a freshman when it that story broke and he and I were crushed. He stayed there when this friends were even trashing PSU and graduated, and he and I are enjoying seeing the program and the profile of the school rise from the ashes. It speaks to the character of the students, student-athletes and the school. So lighten up, Francis.
 
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Pittfan, you are fighting the last war...like Richard Crenna said to Sly Stallone in Rambo "Its over Johnny"...what happened in the past is painful for Penn Staters. The people there today have less than zero to do with it. The student body who year after year pound the pavement and drive all over the country to raise 10million + a year for pediatric cancer, they don't deserve to move on from that heinous stuff? Sorry dude...its over Pittsburgh Fan...its over

-I disagree. I think that scandal is costing Penn State a potential playoff birth this year.

-When you have Desmond Howard talking about a Rape Scandal and Jerry Sandusky on ESPN live college gameday on the preview show for the Big Ten Title game, then Herbstreit comes in and completely rips Penn State, I beg to differ. I just watched Penn State get blasted today on National Television like Ive never seen a team get blasted during a Championship game preview. This stuff shouldnt even have been brought up as they should have been discussing the game today.

-Is Penn State getting better at football? Yes. Apparently your ESPN talking heads want nothing to do with Penn State and Playoff in the same sentence, and both your commentators voiced that opinion loud and clear because of Joe Paterno and Sandusky's dark clouds that are still in happy valley.
 
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-Apparently neither of you watched college gameday today

I'll admit I didn't watch it for the first time this year because I didn't want to see them slobbering and fawning all over Penn State for reasons well articulated in the OP. So you said, they didnt? I am surprised.
 
I'll admit I didn't watch it for the first time this year because I didn't want to see them slobbering and fawning all over Penn State for reasons well articulated in the OP. So you said, they didnt? I am surprised.

-Im sure there will be a streamline of it somewhere. It exploded on youtube earlier but youtube has already deleted the videos. Here's 1 of about 30 different threads you can find on Penn State's board talking about it.

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...o-you-desmonds-comments-on-penn-state.158639/
 
As Richard Crenna said to Sly Stallone in Rambo "that war, Its over Johnny"...what happened in the past is painful for Penn Staters. The people there today have less than zero to do with it. The student body who are just normal folks, they don't deserve to move on from that heinous stuff? Sorry dude...its over Pittsburgh Fan...its over.
My son was a freshman when it that story broke and he and I were crushed. He stayed there when this friends were even trashing PSU and graduated, and he and I are enjoying seeing the program and the profile of the school rise from the ashes. It speaks to the character of the students, student-athletes and the school. So lighten up, Francis.

Dear Dad of Mac,
This is Francis, I suppose, who started this thread. I appreciate your point that it's time to move on. I wish I could agree that the perpetrator in this case, Penn State and it's slavish devotees, would have established sufficient sense of guilt and shame and publicly acknowledged the wrong doing. But from student riots to Paterno family lawsuits to Cult defenses of the indefensible, that never happened. And that's why it's impossible to see the football program "move on" and not see the sickening injustice to this.

Of course these students and players had nothing to do with the scandal. But the university continues to reap the rewards of its prior (and false) perception. PSU is a great university. For many decades it lived in a delusion of sort of higher-moral-plane. That was a sheer lie.

Until that is somehow acknowledged, many in this country will not see the Phoenix rising as a legit... witness what happened on GameDay today. Cloud gonna hang until then...
 
I hope it eas


Yeah, but sports fans don't care about the trial. They only care about the effect on the football program going foward, which is zero.
PSU fans care about the effect on football.... no one else gives a shit at all about penn state or if they do they think negatively about them
 
As Richard Crenna said to Sly Stallone in Rambo "that war, Its over Johnny"...what happened in the past is painful for Penn Staters. The people there today have less than zero to do with it. The student body who are just normal folks, they don't deserve to move on from that heinous stuff? Sorry dude...its over Pittsburgh Fan...its over.
My son was a freshman when it that story broke and he and I were crushed. He stayed there when this friends were even trashing PSU and graduated, and he and I are enjoying seeing the program and the profile of the school rise from the ashes. It speaks to the character of the students, student-athletes and the school. So lighten up, Francis.
Well, if Richard Crenna said it in Rambo, then I guess it's OK.
 
Well Penn State fans like you certainly try to pretend the horror never happened.

Yep. Same attitude exactly as the ones that were up there when all of this was taking place. They knew about it and did absolutely nothing because they didn't want to damage the false image of the football program that they self-fabricated and used to dupe the dolts that gobbled it up, hook, line and sinker, from 1966 until 2011.
 
As Richard Crenna said to Sly Stallone in Rambo "that war, Its over Johnny"...what happened in the past is painful for Penn Staters. The people there today have less than zero to do with it. The student body who are just normal folks, they don't deserve to move on from that heinous stuff? Sorry dude...its over Pittsburgh Fan...its over.
My son was a freshman when it that story broke and he and I were crushed. He stayed there when this friends were even trashing PSU and graduated, and he and I are enjoying seeing the program and the profile of the school rise from the ashes. It speaks to the character of the students, student-athletes and the school. So lighten up, Francis.
If you, Mac Dad, can say that Joe Paterno, his saintly image, and his globally beloved football program, all built on many lies, did not affect you and your son's decision to go to Penn State, then I can respect your comments in this thread. However, if said images did have an affect on your decision, then there is no way I can respect you coming on here to chastise any one of the people who post here.
 
-I disagree. I think that scandal is costing Penn State a potential playoff birth this year.

-When you have Desmond Howard talking about a Rape Scandal and Jerry Sandusky on ESPN live college gameday on the preview show for the Big Ten Title game, then Herbstreit comes in and completely rips Penn State, I beg to differ. I just watched Penn State get blasted today on National Television like Ive never seen a team get blasted during a Championship game preview. This stuff shouldnt even have been brought up as they should have been discussing the game today.

-Is Penn State getting better at football? Yes. Apparently your ESPN talking heads want nothing to do with Penn State and Playoff in the same sentence, and both your commentators voiced that opinion loud and clear because of Joe Paterno and Sandusky's dark clouds that are still in happy valley.

42-39 and 49 -10 are the reasons PSU won't go to the playoff, even if they win tonight. Not the scandal.
 
As Richard Crenna said to Sly Stallone in Rambo "that war, Its over Johnny"...what happened in the past is painful for Penn Staters. The people there today have less than zero to do with it. The student body who are just normal folks, they don't deserve to move on from that heinous stuff? Sorry dude...its over Pittsburgh Fan...its over.
My son was a freshman when it that story broke and he and I were crushed. He stayed there when this friends were even trashing PSU and graduated, and he and I are enjoying seeing the program and the profile of the school rise from the ashes. It speaks to the character of the students, student-athletes and the school. So lighten up, Francis.

Maybe you and your son deserve gold stars for your foreheads.

After all...you Penn State fans were the real victims, right?

I'm glad your healing has begun.
 
-Take it up with the Penn State fans. Because there are 100,000 fans up in Happy Valley having a stroke over it to your 1 opinion. And I still have to laugh at what I watched.

I don't care about PSU fans. And if they are worried about what someone says about their program, they are idiots.
 
I don't care about PSU fans. And if they are worried about what someone says about their program, they are idiots.

They are idiots. But considering you said in multiple posts that the scandal was

1) Over and
2) Most people live in the present and not the past and no one talks about Sandusky or the Scandal anymore

When Millions of viewers watched Penn State be put to shame TODAY on live tv all over the United States, you were proven dead wrong and didnt even know it until I told you what happened.
 
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I did just as you said, Googled Penn State football. And though a majority of what I found was in fact the PSU/Wisconsin game, there was still quite a bit about the scandal. Whether you like it or not, in the past or not, Penn State football is forever tied to the scandal that went on up there.

Pretty much a dead story. Google Penn State football and I'd say you will get stuff about the PSU/Wisconsin game. Most people live in the present.
 
As Richard Crenna said to Sly Stallone in Rambo "that war, Its over Johnny"...what happened in the past is painful for Penn Staters. The people there today have less than zero to do with it. The student body who are just normal folks, they don't deserve to move on from that heinous stuff? Sorry dude...its over Pittsburgh Fan...its over.

Penn Staters want to "move on?" That is the exact phrase that gets used over and over again on BWI when Penn Staters rant and rave that they will "never move on" from whining about the Board of Trustees and ESPN and Sara Ganim and the Big 10 and Jim Delaney, and Louis Freeh and...

For a group you claim wants to "move on" they sure have a funny way of showing it. Any unfortunate poster that even suggests "moving on" over on BWI is mocked unmercifully by the Cult while numerous posters chime in that they will "never move on."
 
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