ah, there is a stop in between North shore and Oakland called Downtown that is pretty significant.
There goes another potential stadium site
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ah, there is a stop in between North shore and Oakland called Downtown that is pretty significant.
Whatever it handles, Hazelwood would be much, much worse. Unless they upgrade things. There are extreme bottlenecks going to and from Hazelwood that they need to improve even without a stadium.
I think it would be a good location for a soccer stadium with an improved crossing over to the SS. Ultimately, I'd like to see a light rail from downtown, over to Station Square and then through the SS and across a (new?) bridge to Hazelwood and then up into Oakland, then west into Downtown. If this existed, then a stadium for Pitt in Hazelwood would be passable. The goal should be to aim for mixed development with multiple transportation options. Not just mass parking lots and increased traffic.
But... Steelers needed their track.
Not disputing that. But if a stadium is ever in Oakland those upgrades you mentioned would have to be considered there too. Perhaps not as extensively but needed nonetheless.
I used to go to my fair share of games back in the day so I speak from some experience. Went to the Pete a ton too. If you have the time/ability to go early stay late that sure helps. But for those who just go to the games, it’s not a nice trip when there’s a large crowd.
I know I said the same so if I’m being held to that exactly ok. Fair enough. But bottom line going to Oakland for an event isn’t pleasant.
I still think Oakland is doable with all of the entry/exit points compared to the Hazelwood. With police assisting directing traffic at a higher level then a basketball game, it should be ok. Not great, but still better than the bigger stadiums in the SEC and B10.
Well I don’t have those other experiences so I’ll take you word for it. I’ve been to lots of other pro cities and I can say for sure that every one was better than Pittsburgh for going to games. And not to derail, don’t even get me started about getting in the venue.
However I know all of us in the burgh complain about traffic especially around the tunnels. Spent a few weeks in Los Angeles and it have gave me a whole new perspective on traffic. I still get annoyed when I get caught in a standstill, but LA was one of those things you can’t believe unless you’ve experienced it.
I think traffic in Pittsburgh isn't that bad compared to other places. Though, we have not grown like many other areas. One reason for that is the crappy transportation system in the city. People generally don't like the bus compared to rail.
Too expensive...they can't seem to get the bus routes. The "T" might be good for traffic from the east, but kids riding to a soon obsolete North Shore stadium isn't a reason to extend the "T".
The City of Pittsburgh had nothing to do with that land. It was bought from LTV by a consortium of local foundations, for about $10 million, in 2001. If Pitt was interested, they could have bought it. They did not.
the main reason is to link the technological hub, which is Oakland, to the business hub, which is downtown. A residual benefit is being able to utilize it to get to the North Shore easily from Oakland.
Obsolete Heinz? You don't think the Rooney's would ever abandon the North side? That is as much an ancestral land to them as Ireland.
They'll go wherever the payoff is for the Steelers. You may recall that the voters said NOT to build new stadiums, and the Rooneys ignored them. Needed to still help fund the Provos. Ended up with a Ceremonial Ambassodorship.
That's one of the more interesting trains of thought on why Rooney became the Amassador. Regardless, Heinz is here to stay. The only question will be, how much more will they get the city to dump into it?
Extending the T to Oakland was projected to cost $1.5 billion in 2006. Probably looking at doubling it now.
But to the larger point, a T extension into Oakland and the East End would carry many, many more people than just students. You're probably looking at 50,000 daily riders, all told.
Yes, a T expansion from downtown, through Oakland, to Squirrel Hill would also take a lot of traffic off the roads, mainly buses. Forbes and 5th could be right-sized and not feel like four lane speedways through Oakland.
I'm assuming they'd use a cut and cover method the length of Forbes if they ever did it?
Honestly, this move would likely transform everything between the rivers to the east of downtown.
A lot fewer people work dahntahn these days. Lots of home office clerical/techie folks. It wouldn't pay for itself. Should have been done 40 years ago. The real growth areas are North & South. The tunnel demoralized commuters east & west.
Of course it wouldn’t pay for itself. Neither do highways.
And it’s more about the hospital/academic/research folks in Oakland who would benefit - it’s hard to do that stuff from home! And I’d probably guess that most downtown workers who live east of Oakland or south of the city were probably either taking the East Busway or the T already.
Not sure if those lines are busy these days. I've been in the North Hills since 1969. Had good service in Shaler, but mostly drove. Not nearly enough transit. Been working from home since 1999.
The voters did not vote against new stadiums, they voted against a special tax to fund them. If I recall correctly, there was not much complaining when it was state tax money that was paying for them. Same with funding for the new Pens arena, it was mostly coming from gambling revenue. I hate public money being spent on these facilities, but it is a common practice all across the Country. The Rooney’s and McClatchey’s are the same as pro sports owners everywhere.
Think of how much larger they could make the bike lanes if there were no buses running?
You aren't going to believe this, but they bought a high school football stadium from the local school district, tore it down, and then built their stadium on the empty lot.
There are the same number of student seats in the upper level today as there have been since the stadium opened. 528, 529, 530 and 531 are, and always have been, student sections.
I know that. I didn't explain well. She expanded the lower section to expand the back of the closed endzone. I know the spillover still exists in the upper section.
I think more students are enticed to come when closer to the action which that move allowed.
I know that but I'm saying how did the neighborhood group allow them to build it? Where there no complaints over the lack of parking? How did they fit a stadium, not much bigger (from a sq ft standpoint) than Pitt would need in such a small space? That stadium is in a neighborhood not much different than South Oakland or Bloomfield.
The construction was racist in cincinnati. Destroying a lower income neighborhood for the leisure viewing of suburban white folks. Just like the racist highways that go through poor neighborhoods and forever split them up. We cannot tear down the slums in oakland for a football stadium because that would be racist as well.
Wtf in what universe has hazelewood ever been considered on campus . Other than my occasional trips to big Jim’s I ne we set foot in hazel wood in. 7 years at pittWhat a waste. Too bad the powers that be don’t have their priorities in the right order.
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It's the closest available vacant land to campus. Of course it's wasn't considered by anyone previously given it was occupied. It would be feasible to connect the Hazelwood site to Oakland if desired given there is an almost completely unobstructed route in Panther Hollow.
It doesn't seem like a lower income neighborhood to me. Similar to Oakland and Bloomfield
How did the neighborhood groups allow them to replace a football stadium with a soccer stadium? I don't know, you'd have to ask them.
I know of at least one person who complained about the lack of parking. If you look in the mirror you will see that guy up close and personal.
Is the Cincinnati soccer stadium that seats 26,000 actually larger than what Pitt would need for a 45 - 50,000 seat football stadium? That seems highly unlikely.
You could fit more seats in the same space for football given the width of the soccer pitch.
Sure, a soccer field is wider. But football fields have much larger areas on each sideline for the team benches. I don't remember off hand how Cincinnati was, but I would imagine that like most soccer fields there is a lot less space between the lines of the field and the beginning of the seating area.
It would absolutely pay for itself. Tens of thousands or people would pay to use it per day, plus the added revenue from increased development and more people moving to the city to use it. What doesn't pay for itself is the Steelers connector, because it's free to ensure the parking revenue giveaway from folks driving in from the north.
And let's be real. "Growth" to the north and south is largely spread out compared to city developments. That means more infrastructure required to maintain per capita. It's more expensive and when taxes need increased to pay for that ponzi scheme of, those folks have already bolted to the next place.
Most busses are not full in Pgh. And most downtown workers live out of the city. The city keeps losing people. How far would it reach? What fares are big enough to pay off $3 billion?
Hint: These projects never pay for their costs. Maybe doing it 40 years ago, when the population was twice the current 300k it would have helped. Not now. PAT needs tax subsidies.
No public transportation infrastructure pays for itself - streets, roads, bridges, docks, locks, airports: all are subsidized. And that is by design, as it is for public transit.
20K more seats isnt going to increase the square footage that much. You add 10 rows to the top of the stadium and you get your extra 20K seats. That doesn't increase square footage a ton.
I didn't complain about parking. I said even though there wasnt any, I parraellel parked in the "neighborhood" a few blocks away and breezed in and out.
So why is transit so bad in Pgh. I know, the hills, rivers, weather, Steeler losses, etc.
What a waste. Too bad the powers that be don’t have their priorities in the right order.
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You're not serious, right? No one with any sense of what real priorities are would say that building a football stadium is more important than building a medical research facility. Just unbelievable that you'd say this when Pitt is a world class medical research school. We make a lot more money with medical research and help more people than we do with a football program. This shouldn't even be a discussion point.
