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This is a game that Walt, Wanny, Fraud, and Chryst couldn't win

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Our record in early season non-con games against P5 opponents in the last 20 years or so is beyond atrocious. I can only remember 2 wins in these types of games. @ A&M, and Iowa but even those wins weren't all they should have been because we were coming off MAC losses.

Narduzzi will attempt to do the impossible. Beat a MAC school then beat a mediocre P5 OOC team. Nobody else could do it.
 
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"Sean Miller Fan, post: 331916, member: 704"]Our record in early season non-con games against P5 opponents in the last 20 years or so is beyond atrocious. I can only remember 3 wins in these types of games. @ A&M, and Iowa but even those wins weren't all they should have been because we were coming off MAC losses.
Excellent Post and Spot On except I think Wannstedt could win it, with his Defense and he beat Ferentz when they did play 21-20! No question GraHAM was a Fraud and blamed his Players over himself and coaching staff? Chryst was not the savior either making poor calls and producing no miracles? Chryst as he he learned to become a Head Coach on Pitt's Dime, often let all the hard work of his own players down all 3 years, as they lost 2 to 3 games on Special Teams poor coverage and plays under his coaching?

Narduzzi will attempt to do the impossible. Beat a MAC school then beat a mediocre P5 OOC team. Nobody else could do it.
If Coach Pat wins a close game, Pitt has a Great Coach, if he loses a close game, Pitt will need to give him time to rebuild the Team his way just like Wannstedt, and if Pitt loses big, Pit may have hired another Harris, Graham, and Chryst until he develops a better Staff?
 
This reminds me of the 2011 trip to Iowa. Hopefully a different outcome though, that was a really tough loss especially mentally. Too many of those outcomes through the recent years.
I think Narduzzi's Panthers will almost mimic Cowher's Steelers. Strong defense and once we have the lead, just run the ball, kill the clock, and stay agressive on defense.
Once we have even more talent on offense, and it's more common we jump out to early leads, I think Coach Pat delivers a lot W's here.
This could be a big win for the whole team's confidence. I think Narduzzi being familiar with Iowa and the type of coach he is, we're going to be extremely focused Saturday night. (Unlike some games in the past years, when we've seemed totally unprepared.)
 
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All in good fun. I loved Gottfried.. you tell me you cant watch this youtube clip and feel incredible watching it..

 
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Just wanna throw out there that as much as we think the program has been in the gutter, it hasn't been that bad for a while. Think back to the early to mid 90's.
We're actually lucky to have the football and basketball programs we have at Pitt. Not many schools of any size go to a bowl game and make the NCAA tournament almost every year.
Yes, we haven't played in a lot of good bowl games and not a lot of deep tourney runs, but considering how bad both programs were in the 90's we're in good shape.
As mediocre as we may usually be, since 1999 we've had just two seasons in football where we won less than 6 games (5 in 1999 and 2007.) We may not be relevant in terms of national championships right now, but we're relevant for sure.
Me and everyone else here obviously over exaggerates every win and loss. Either way though, we've got a lot to be proud of at Pitt.
H2P!!!!
 
Pittx9 said:
Just wanna throw out there that as much as we think the program has been in the gutter, it hasn't been that bad for a while. Think back to the early to mid 90's.
We're actually lucky to have the football and basketball programs we have at Pitt. Not many schools of any size go to a bowl game and make the NCAA tournament almost every year.
Yes, we haven't played in a lot of good bowl games and not a lot of deep tourney runs, but considering how bad both programs were in the 90's we're in good shape.
As mediocre as we may usually be, since 1999 we've had just two seasons in football where we won less than 6 games (5 in 1999 and 2007.) We may not be relevant in terms of national championships right now, but we're relevant for sure.
Me and everyone else here obviously over exaggerates every win and loss. Either way though, we've got a lot to be proud of at Pitt.
H2P!!!!
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Those were dark days my friend. We all recall the tOSU game but the following week against ND was almost just as bad. Similar to basketball, we bball fans think last year was bad but it wasn't too long ago I come home to turn a Pitt vs Seton Hall game on and see half the team on the bench in street clothes due to an ongoing "house invasion" investigation. Those Willard days weren't as bad as Majors 2 but they were close.. I remember being in high school, it was Majors first home game against va Tech, and I finally get some tickets from a student so me and my friends are walking up the hill and huge groups of college kids are walking down. "Guys, the game just started, where are you going?" "Don't bother young PGHFAN, we are down by 5 tds already." I didn't believe them (and I also wanted to see the return of Mustard Yellow Unis too). OH man, Johnny Majors II, what a disaster that was..
 
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Those were dark days my friend. We all recall the tOSU game but the following week against ND was almost just as bad. Similar to basketball, we bball fans think last year was bad but it wasn't too long ago I come home to turn a Pitt vs Seton Hall game on and see half the team on the bench in street clothes due to an ongoing "house invasion" investigation. Those Willard days weren't as bad as Majors 2 but they were close.. I remember being in high school, it was Majors first home game against va Tech, and I finally get some tickets from a student so me and my friends are walking up the hill and huge groups of college kids are walking down. "Guys, the game just started, where are you going?" "Don't bother young PGHFAN, we are down by 5 tds already." I didn't believe them (and I also wanted to see the return of Mustard Yellow Unis too). OH man, Johnny Majors II, what a disaster that was..
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Spot on. Things could be that bad again, but they're not. Almost every football and basketball game we've played the last 15 years has had some significance. They're college kids, as long as the effort is there, we have no black marks on the program, and we're competitive in games we should all be pretty pleased.
Yeah, I get upset too and hope to see a championship one day, but when PSU fans tell me (and I know you've all heard it) "you're a Pitt fan? I'm so sorry", I just laugh. I couldn't be prouder of Pitt (until we win something big!), it represents the city well and there are a lot of positive things we can look at.
 
We are a lot closer to the 87 team, than the mid 90's teams. The Atlantic is wide open with no powerhouse. You never know, we could end up playing Clemson in Charlotte this year. We could also end up 3-9, but I doubt it. This team has more talent than given credit for. This team beat VA Tech last year and won at Miami who put a bunch of players in the pros.

Hail to Pitt!

Dave
 
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Pittx9 said:
Just wanna throw out there that as much as we think the program has been in the gutter, it hasn't been that bad for a while. Think back to the early to mid 90's.
We're actually lucky to have the football and basketball programs we have at Pitt. Not many schools of any size go to a bowl game and make the NCAA tournament almost every year.
Yes, we haven't played in a lot of good bowl games and not a lot of deep tourney runs, but considering how bad both programs were in the 90's we're in good shape.
As mediocre as we may usually be, since 1999 we've had just two seasons in football where we won less than 6 games (5 in 1999 and 2007.) We may not be relevant in terms of national championships right now, but we're relevant for sure.
Me and everyone else here obviously over exaggerates every win and loss. Either way though, we've got a lot to be proud of at Pitt.
H2P!!!!
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Its 2015. Everybody goes to bowl games. Its not an accomplishment. Its part of your schedule.
 
dave97 said:
We are a lot closer to the 87 team, than the mid 90's teams. The Atlantic is wide open with no powerhouse. You never know, we could end up playing Clemson in Charlotte this year. We could also end up 3-9, but I doubt it. This team has more talent than given credit for. This team beat VA Tech last year and won at Miami who put a bunch of players in the pros.

Hail to Pitt!

Dave
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:D
 
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Our record in early season non-con games against P5 opponents in the last 20 years or so is beyond atrocious. I can only remember 2 wins in these types of games. @ A&M, and Iowa but even those wins weren't all they should have been because we were coming off MAC losses.

Narduzzi will attempt to do the impossible. Beat a MAC school then beat a mediocre P5 OOC team. Nobody else could do it.
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I think Iowa is better than mediocre.
 
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This reminds me of the 2011 trip to Iowa.
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That was a typical Pitt loss, nothing unusual, happens all the time! Have a big lead, seem to have it won, and just blow it. We have 2-3 of those every year, best example was last year's bowl game. or 45-44 vs. Cincy, I don't even get surprised, it's just normal Pitt sports.
 
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All in good fun. I loved Gottfried.. you tell me you cant watch this youtube clip and feel incredible watching it..

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Those unis from the Gottfried era were the absolute best IMO. Gottfried got some push back from some for running into the end zone. But this was the year after the altercation up at the erection set when Paterno called the Pitt players a disgrace to college football. Gottfried never forgot that and vowed to never lose to Paterno again. That factored heavily into his chasing Billy Owens down the field.

I also love watching that to see little Spec Ellison running after Owens. I watched that game at a local pub surrounded by Nitters. When Owens picked that ball off I leaped in the air and thrust my hand into a turning ceiling fan. Didn't feel the pain till the next day.
 
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Gottfried would beat a good team, and then lose to Temple or some other inferior opponent the next week. That was a consistent pattern.
 
Wanny was good enough. That's why it sucks to think that he couldn't beaut Uconn.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
Our record in early season non-con games against P5 opponents in the last 20 years or so is beyond atrocious. I can only remember 2 wins in these types of games. @ A&M, and Iowa but even those wins weren't all they should have been because we were coming off MAC losses.

Narduzzi will attempt to do the impossible. Beat a MAC school then beat a mediocre P5 OOC team. Nobody else could do it.
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Sean, I think you are just off your game today. First, in the thread on our 2nd WR, you state that all of our WRs other than Boyd combined have 2 P5 offers. Actual number was at least 19.

Now, you think we had 2 wins in the last 20 years "in early season non-conference games against P5 opponents." I only went back to 2000, and the truth is we didn't play very many non-conference games against P5 opponents early in the season (which I would say is the first 5 games of the season). But in that time, we had wins against Va Tech, Iowa, Virginia, Texas A&M and PSU. Record was 5-8. Not great, but I'm not sure I would call it atrocious.
 
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Gottfried would beat a good team, and then lose to Temple or some other inferior opponent the next week. That was a consistent pattern.
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The 1987 team is a case in point - beat PSU , ND , WVU, BYU lost to BC, Temple ... They could have been in NC conversation.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
Our record in early season non-con games against P5 opponents in the last 20 years or so is beyond atrocious. I can only remember 2 wins in these types of games. @ A&M, and Iowa but even those wins weren't all they should have been because we were coming off MAC losses.

Narduzzi will attempt to do the impossible. Beat a MAC school then beat a mediocre P5 OOC team. Nobody else could do it.
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It's waaaay to early to call Iowa a "mediocre P5" team. Sure, you can base that claim on last years team but this isn't last years team. If Iowa wins Saturday, and I think they will (maybe even big), Iowa could be in for a very good year.
 
dave97 said:
We are a lot closer to the 87 team, than the mid 90's teams. The Atlantic is wide open with no powerhouse. You never know, we could end up playing Clemson in Charlotte this year. We could also end up 3-9, but I doubt it. This team has more talent than given credit for. This team beat VA Tech last year and won at Miami who put a bunch of players in the pros.

Hail to Pitt!

Dave
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The team that beat VA Tech and Miami last year had James Conner, and unfortunately, this year's team doesn't. He carried the team on his back last year. With our shaky QB situation so far this season, I'm not sure that the running backs can carry the team like Conner did last year. I'd like to be pleasantly surprised and have a QB step up so that we don't have to rely on the inexperienced RBs, and so that we can mix up the play-calling a bit to keep the defense guessing a little. I do agree that we are closer to the 87 team than to the mid 90's teams. The early to mid 90's years were tough times for Pitt fans.
 
Pitt79 said:
That was a typical Pitt loss, nothing unusual, happens all the time! Have a big lead, seem to have it won, and just blow it. We have 2-3 of those every year, best example was last year's bowl game. or 45-44 vs. Cincy, I don't even get surprised, it's just normal Pitt sports.
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Our motto: "No lead is too big for Pitt to blow!"
 
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Perhaps Gottfried had his weaknesses with college girls...but JVP dated a college student when he was coaching as well. He married her. Wonder how that would go over today?

But look at that video and watch Paturdo and his 6 body guards on the sideline and after the game...I'm sure he knew by 1987 about Jer's proclivities for young males. They are who we thought they were, even in 1987.
 
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Pghfan said:
Those were dark days my friend. We all recall the tOSU game but the following week against ND was almost just as bad. Similar to basketball, we bball fans think last year was bad but it wasn't too long ago I come home to turn a Pitt vs Seton Hall game on and see half the team on the bench in street clothes due to an ongoing "house invasion" investigation. Those Willard days weren't as bad as Majors 2 but they were close.. I remember being in high school, it was Majors first home game against va Tech, and I finally get some tickets from a student so me and my friends are walking up the hill and huge groups of college kids are walking down. "Guys, the game just started, where are you going?" "Don't bother young PGHFAN, we are down by 5 tds already." I didn't believe them (and I also wanted to see the return of Mustard Yellow Unis too). OH man, Johnny Majors II, what a disaster that was..
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I was back at Ohio State that night and the Buckeyes were playing Washington in prime time. I kept waiting for the Pitt score to be shown on the scoreboard and thinking Pitt was going to win game 2 of the Majors Era. I'll always remember the score popping up: Virginia Tech 49 Pitt 12 third quarter. Deflating.
 
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I can remember the local media, I forget if it was Smizik or Keidan writing an article about how classless it was that Gottfried ran down the field to celebrate. If it had been Paterno, they would have wrote about how great a coach he was for celebrating the moment with his players.
 
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Sean, I think you are just off your game today. First, in the thread on our 2nd WR, you state that all of our WRs other than Boyd combined have 2 P5 offers. Actual number was at least 19.

Now, you think we had 2 wins in the last 20 years "in early season non-conference games against P5 opponents." I only went back to 2000, and the truth is we didn't play very many non-conference games against P5 opponents early in the season (which I would say is the first 5 games of the season). But in that time, we had wins against Va Tech, Iowa, Virginia, Texas A&M and PSU. Record was 5-8. Not great, but I'm not sure I would call it atrocious.
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recruitsreadtheseboards said:
No, it was expected. But PSU just also picked up a commitment from Lamar Stevens. Right now they have a top 10 class. I know, I know, that doesn't mean anything, yada, yada, yada, but.......PSU never got kids like this before and Pitt seems to be just spinning its wheels.
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Last 20 years in Sept non-con games

1-3 vs PSU
0-2 vs Neb
0-2 vs MSU
0-2 vs ND
1-2 vs Iowa
0-1 vs NCSU
1-1 vs A&M
1-1 vs UVa
1-0 vs VT

5-13 in the last 20 years. However, I was more referring to the fact that we havent been unable to keep an early undefeated season in tact into October by beating a mediocre P5 team. Its happened only once in 20 years (PSU TRS). We can do that today.
 
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