Thoughts on NC St, Jamie..

[whirlybird optio]

- I don't think I've ever left a home game before at halftime

- Jamie deserves 100% blame for not having the team ready to play, not making any adjustments. Look, NC State needed that game one million times more than we did. They were 0-5, and have Duke twice in their next 4 games. Point blank, if they lose to us they are looking at potentially a 0-7, 0-8 start to the season. They still have a lot of talent, maybe the best player in the league, and enough bigs to give us trouble. Still, knowing how desperate they would be, we came out flat. Jamie has to do something about this team's body language when things don't go quite right, and the number one problem is that our two best players have this very annoying habit of sulking and whining when their shots don't fall. It carries over to their defensive play too, and it is a troubling pattern. Still, that's Jamie's job to get through to them. And the thing is, Jamie knows it. He knows his best players can also be his worst problem.

- I won't justify the thread advocating for firing Jamie by adding to it, only because it is the LAZIEST form of commenting (Fire the Coach!!), but I do think that the seat will be getting fairly warm if we miss the dance.

- I wouldn't consider firing Jamie yet. I like the recruiting for 2016. Manigault and Kithcart can be great. Chrisshawn Clark is exactly the kind of guard this team lacks. I think Jamie has also shown he's not so tied into a system, or that he's stubborn. He just has a roster right now of very inconsistent players, quite a few of them who aren't really making the leaps you'd like.

- Lineups wise, you simply have to give Cam Johnson more minutes. I'd play him more at the 2G/SF with Arits, and really phase out Sterling Smith if he refuses to shoot. Chris Jones is frustrating, but I still think he has some injury issues. He's a pretty good player at 10-15 mpg. I'd give Cameron 20 mpg or so and let him try to figure out how to be great, which I think he can. This team also seems to feed off of Jeter, who was just awful in stretches yesterday.

- This year in hoops is nuts. I can't remember seeing more ranked teams lose at home to unranked teams. WVU, Michigan St tonight. So much parity. ACC is a giant mess with UNC at the top, BC at the bottom, and a tossup with most teams in between.

- Team is at a crossroads right now. 15-3 so no reason to jump off the bridge, but a very tricky 4 game stretch here. If they can come out of it 3-1, they are right back on track for the NCAA's and a high seed. 2-2 wouldn't be the worst but it would make the last 8 games a dogfight to get in. Anything worse than 2-2 and it will be uphill to make the NCAA's. A home loss is like losing two games, so winning one of the next two will get that NC St game right back. They can certainly do it if they hit shots, but Jamie needs to get this team mentally right. That is job 1, 2, and 3 right now. Don't let them get down. So much season left.

HAIL TO PITT

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

- I don't think I've ever left a home game before at halftime

- Jamie deserves 100% blame for not having the team ready to play, not making any adjustments. Look, NC State needed that game one million times more than we did. They were 0-5, and have Duke twice in their next 4 games. Point blank, if they lose to us they are looking at potentially a 0-7, 0-8 start to the season. They still have a lot of talent, maybe the best player in the league, and enough bigs to give us trouble. Still, knowing how desperate they would be, we came out flat. Jamie has to do something about this team's body language when things don't go quite right, and the number one problem is that our two best players have this very annoying habit of sulking and whining when their shots don't fall. It carries over to their defensive play too, and it is a troubling pattern. Still, that's Jamie's job to get through to them. And the thing is, Jamie knows it. He knows his best players can also be his worst problem.

- I won't justify the thread advocating for firing Jamie by adding to it, only because it is the LAZIEST form of commenting (Fire the Coach!!), but I do think that the seat will be getting fairly warm if we miss the dance.

- I wouldn't consider firing Jamie yet. I like the recruiting for 2016. Manigault and Kithcart can be great. Chrisshawn Clark is exactly the kind of guard this team lacks. I think Jamie has also shown he's not so tied into a system, or that he's stubborn. He just has a roster right now of very inconsistent players, quite a few of them who aren't really making the leaps you'd like.

- Lineups wise, you simply have to give Cam Johnson more minutes. I'd play him more at the 2G/SF with Arits, and really phase out Sterling Smith if he refuses to shoot. Chris Jones is frustrating, but I still think he has some injury issues. He's a pretty good player at 10-15 mpg. I'd give Cameron 20 mpg or so and let him try to figure out how to be great, which I think he can. This team also seems to feed off of Jeter, who was just awful in stretches yesterday.

- This year in hoops is nuts. I can't remember seeing more ranked teams lose at home to unranked teams. WVU, Michigan St tonight. So much parity. ACC is a giant mess with UNC at the top, BC at the bottom, and a tossup with most teams in between.

- Team is at a crossroads right now. 15-3 so no reason to jump off the bridge, but a very tricky 4 game stretch here. If they can come out of it 3-1, they are right back on track for the NCAA's and a high seed. 2-2 wouldn't be the worst but it would make the last 8 games a dogfight to get in. Anything worse than 2-2 and it will be uphill to make the NCAA's. A home loss is like losing two games, so winning one of the next two will get that NC St game right back. They can certainly do it if they hit shots, but Jamie needs to get this team mentally right. That is job 1, 2, and 3 right now. Don't let them get down. So much season left.

HAIL TO PITT

There is nothing here i disagree with.
Only add I'd like more of Damon Wilson at the 2, rather than more of cam getting extended minutes there.

 

[PittPoker]

Good stuff. Still think Jamie needs to go but still, good stuff lol.

 

[whirlybird optio]

Good stuff. Still think Jamie needs to go but still, good stuff lol.

Which is where I will say that's fine if you have that opinion, but it really isn't close to happening. Which is why to me its kind of a silly position to advocate. If Pitt say wins 3 of next 4 are you going to fictionally hire him back? So much season left.

 

[KiwiJeff]

That would be two coaches fake fired this season.

 

[PittPoker]

Which is where I will say that's fine if you have that opinion, but it really isn't close to happening. Which is why to me its kind of a silly position to advocate. If Pitt say wins 3 of next 4 are you going to fictionally hire him back? So much season left.

I am basing it on what he has done in the last 4-5 years or so. The recruiting has suffered and not only that but Pitt has severely underachieved in March. That's on Jamie. Again, just my opinion but it's time for a new philosophy, a new coach.

 

[KiwiJeff]

I am basing it on what he has done in the last 4-5 years or so. The recruiting has suffered and not only that but Pitt has severely underachieved in March. That's on Jamie. Again, just my opinion but it's time for a new philosophy, a new coach.

Yeah, you've said that like thirty times in 24 hours. Given it is highly unlikely, I think you're wasting your breath. That's my opinion.

 

[whirlybird optio]

I am basing it on what he has done in the last 4-5 years or so. The recruiting has suffered and not only that but Pitt has severely underachieved in March. That's on Jamie. Again, just my opinion but it's time for a new philosophy, a new coach.

Gotcha. But now your position is known, right? So no need for any more "fire Dixon" threads. It gets repetitive.

 

[PittPoker]

Gotcha. But now your position is known, right? So no need for any more "fire Dixon" threads. It gets repetitive.

If Pitt is going trot out performances like Louisville and NC State then yeah, you might hear it again.

 

[DT_PITT]

There is nothing here i disagree with.
Only add I'd like more of Damon Wilson at the 2, rather than more of cam getting extended minutes there.

I totally agree with whirly's post with the exception of Wilson over Cam as you've noted.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

If Pitt is going trot out performances like Louisville and NC State then yeah, you might here it again.

There is no doubt you lack the self restraint and need the anonymous catharsis.
Thanks for the heads up, time to exercise the ignore function to read less abject stupidity.

 

[whirlybird optio]

If Pitt is going trot out performances like Louisville and NC State then yeah, you might hear it again.

Why? He's already been fired in fake PittPokerland. You can't fire him twice. Unless you think it actually matters if you say it, or if it makes you feel good to say it, either of which would be borderline psychotic.

It's why it is more fun when there is some nuance to posts and arguments. Saying fire the coach kind of stops the conversation.

 

[whirlybird optio]

I totally agree with whirly's post with the exception of Wilson over Cam as you've noted.

I wonder if given our issues with quick guards, if Milligan might be getting minutes right now?

 

[KiwiJeff]

If Pitt is going trot out performances like Louisville and NC State then yeah, you might hear it again.

You have said it a lot, probably enough, we know where you stand. If you keep saying it over and over, some may agree, but many more will get sick of it, maybe even some of those who agree, and will criticize you, some harshly. So long as you are prepared for that. Also, repetitive posting is against board rules. I am not going to run to the mods, as that would be silly. But there is a reason it is listed as a type of trolling. It makes people crazy.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

I wonder if given our issues with quick guards, if Milligan might be getting minutes right now?

Will he remain on the team next year?
I know there were some personal things driving a redshirt decision...
But it seems fishy to me.

 

[Cap pitt]

I am basing it on what he has done in the last 4-5 years or so. The recruiting has suffered and not only that but Pitt has severely underachieved in March. That's on Jamie. Again, just my opinion but it's time for a new philosophy, a new coach.

I agree, it's time to go

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

I agree, it's time to go

Save your rolls of nickels and pitch into the collection.

 

[KiwiJeff]

Why? He's already been fired in fake PittPokerland. You can't fire him twice. Unless you think it actually matters if you say it, or if it makes you feel good to say it, either of which would be borderline psychotic.

It's why it is more fun when there is some nuance to posts and arguments. Saying fire the coach kind of stops the conversation.

That's why I liked the Duke board when I visited there. There was actual analysis of why they lost, the deficiencies of the team. Here we get fire the coach and little trite sound bytes from what one would hear on sports center. It's really day and night in comparison.

 

[DT_PITT]

I wonder if given our issues with quick guards, if Milligan might be getting minutes right now?

Hard to say. He needs to tighten his handle to be able to play the point. And he's a little small for the two. But he is quick enough.

 

[KiwiJeff]

I agree, it's time to go

Did you ever see the movie Rainman?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Jamie's seat only becomes warm if we miss the dance this year. If we miss it again in 2017, he probably needs to make it in 2018 to keep it.....but that's a long way away and we'll make it one of those years, probably this year.

But like I said in another post, if I'm Jamie and something like Seton Hall comes open or some other OK but less than marquee job that will still pay well, I seriously consider it. Lets say Ed Cooley takes another job, maybe Jamie takes the PC job or something like that with the thought of getting out before he's told to. I think Jamie may realize he cant recruit the level of athlete he needs at the ACC level but can compete better in the less competitive Big East

The thing I'm afraid of is that I'm not sure Jamie is a good enough "offensive coach" so if we cant defend and our rebounding is just OK, can he coach offense good enough for us to win games? It would be like GT having a poor rushing attack so Paul Johnson starts running a Big 12 Spread. Would you want Paul Johnson coaching a spread? Thats kinda how I feel about Jamie and offense.

 

[DT_PITT]

That's why I liked the Duke board when I visited there. There was actual analysis of why they lost, the deficiencies of the team. Here we get fire the coach and little trite sound bytes from what one would hear on sports center. It's really day and night in comparison.

We often get that here too. There was this kind of discussion after the Purdue and L-ville losses. In all fairness to most posters, watching that NC State loss was so difficult that it was really tough to gather the energy for analysis.

I too could do without the "Fire the Coach" silliness, but that game was truly disheartening.

 

[whirlybird optio]

Jamie's seat only becomes warm if we miss the dance this year. If we miss it again in 2017, he probably needs to make it in 2018 to keep it.....but that's a long way away and we'll make it one of those years, probably this year.

But like I said in another post, if I'm Jamie and something like Seton Hall comes open or some other OK but less than marquee job that will still pay well, I seriously consider it. Lets say Ed Cooley takes another job, maybe Jamie takes the PC job or something like that with the thought of getting out before he's told to. I think Jamie may realize he cant recruit the level of athlete he needs at the ACC level but can compete better in the less competitive Big East

The thing I'm afraid of is that I'm not sure Jamie is a good enough "offensive coach" so if we cant defend and our rebounding is just OK, can he coach offense good enough for us to win games? It would be like GT having a poor rushing attack so Paul Johnson starts running a Big 12 Spread. Would you want Paul Johnson coaching a spread? Thats kinda how I feel about Jamie and offense.

I think Jamie is plenty good as an offensive coach. I think the 2013 team with Patterson and Zanna showed a team that couldn't really defend, but could score, and could be a pretty good team by the end of the season. I realize it was only a 9 seed, but that team had the Patterson injury, a Tyler Ennis prayer, and I think they are a 5 seed. I think he's probably overrated as a defensive coach at this point.

I do completely agree that he would never be fired. I think there are lots, LOTS, of teams that would welcome him, and he'd jump ship before the seat gets hot. I'd compare him to someone like Bruce Weber who found a home pretty quickly in the Big 12. If you are an AD, really at just about any p-5 job, its not that hard of a sell to hire Dixon. Outside of the truly elite jobs, Jamie could get a job just about anywhere.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

The mythology about Dixon has been about his defensive coaching.
Defensive game planning and strategy is his weakness, not offense.

We almost always generate good looks and makeable shots on offense.
We don't always make them, but we get clean looks regularly.

 

[Delpanther]

- I don't think I've ever left a home game before at halftime

- Jamie deserves 100% blame for not having the team ready to play, not making any adjustments. Look, NC State needed that game one million times more than we did. They were 0-5, and have Duke twice in their next 4 games. Point blank, if they lose to us they are looking at potentially a 0-7, 0-8 start to the season. They still have a lot of talent, maybe the best player in the league, and enough bigs to give us trouble. Still, knowing how desperate they would be, we came out flat. Jamie has to do something about this team's body language when things don't go quite right, and the number one problem is that our two best players have this very annoying habit of sulking and whining when their shots don't fall. It carries over to their defensive play too, and it is a troubling pattern. Still, that's Jamie's job to get through to them. And the thing is, Jamie knows it. He knows his best players can also be his worst problem.

- I won't justify the thread advocating for firing Jamie by adding to it, only because it is the LAZIEST form of commenting (Fire the Coach!!), but I do think that the seat will be getting fairly warm if we miss the dance.

- I wouldn't consider firing Jamie yet. I like the recruiting for 2016. Manigault and Kithcart can be great. Chrisshawn Clark is exactly the kind of guard this team lacks. I think Jamie has also shown he's not so tied into a system, or that he's stubborn. He just has a roster right now of very inconsistent players, quite a few of them who aren't really making the leaps you'd like.

- Lineups wise, you simply have to give Cam Johnson more minutes. I'd play him more at the 2G/SF with Arits, and really phase out Sterling Smith if he refuses to shoot. Chris Jones is frustrating, but I still think he has some injury issues. He's a pretty good player at 10-15 mpg. I'd give Cameron 20 mpg or so and let him try to figure out how to be great, which I think he can. This team also seems to feed off of Jeter, who was just awful in stretches yesterday.

- This year in hoops is nuts. I can't remember seeing more ranked teams lose at home to unranked teams. WVU, Michigan St tonight. So much parity. ACC is a giant mess with UNC at the top, BC at the bottom, and a tossup with most teams in between.

- Team is at a crossroads right now. 15-3 so no reason to jump off the bridge, but a very tricky 4 game stretch here. If they can come out of it 3-1, they are right back on track for the NCAA's and a high seed. 2-2 wouldn't be the worst but it would make the last 8 games a dogfight to get in. Anything worse than 2-2 and it will be uphill to make the NCAA's. A home loss is like losing two games, so winning one of the next two will get that NC St game right back. They can certainly do it if they hit shots, but Jamie needs to get this team mentally right. That is job 1, 2, and 3 right now. Don't let them get down. So much season left.

HAIL TO PITT

Still clinging to the Chris Jones fantasy? He's useless-and should be phased out of the rotation completely. I'd play Cam, Wilson and Smith. Four years into the program and Jones hasn't improved a lick.

 

[Delpanther]

I think Jamie is plenty good as an offensive coach. I think the 2013 team with Patterson and Zanna showed a team that couldn't really defend, but could score, and could be a pretty good team by the end of the season. I realize it was only a 9 seed, but that team had the Patterson injury, a Tyler Ennis prayer, and I think they are a 5 seed. I think he's probably overrated as a defensive coach at this point.

I do completely agree that he would never be fired. I think there are lots, LOTS, of teams that would welcome him, and he'd jump ship before the seat gets hot. I'd compare him to someone like Bruce Weber who found a home pretty quickly in the Big 12. If you are an AD, really at just about any p-5 job, its not that hard of a sell to hire Dixon. Outside of the truly elite jobs, Jamie could get a job just about anywhere.

Pitt can't afford to axe JD because of his ludicrous contract extension. A couple more years of empty seats at the Pete and missed NCAAs might alter the the Pitt Admin. 's view on the finacial viability of retaining him versus replacing him.

I think you greatly overrate his marketability. He's lost his luster because he blew what he established. If he gets canned, he will be done- he's a poor recruiter and struggles to assemble a strong staff around himself. A change of scenery isn't likely to cure what ails him coaching-wise.

 

[whirlybird optio]

Still clinging to the Chris Jones fantasy? He's useless-and should be phased out of the rotation completely. I'd play Cam, Wilson and Smith. Four years into the program and Jones hasn't improved a lick.

Which is more of a fantasy, Chris Jones playing 10 mpg or being phased out of the rotation completely?

 

[whirlybird optio]

Pitt can't afford to axe JD because of his ludicrous contract extension. A couple more years of empty seats at the Pete and missed NCAAs might alter the the Pitt Admin. 's view on the finacial viability of retaining him versus replacing him.

I think you greatly overrate his marketability. He's lost his luster because he blew what he established. If he gets canned, he will be done- he's a poor recruiter and struggles to assemble a strong staff around himself. A change of scenery isn't likely to cure what ails him coaching-wise.

Ok, he'll never coach again. Good call.

 

[PittPoker]

Pitt can't afford to axe JD because of his ludicrous contract extension. A couple more years of empty seats at the Pete and missed NCAAs might alter the the Pitt Admin. 's view on the finacial viability of retaining him versus replacing him.

I think you greatly overrate his marketability. He's lost his luster because he blew what he established. If he gets canned, he will be done- he's a poor recruiter and struggles to assemble a strong staff around himself. A change of scenery isn't likely to cure what ails him coaching-wise.

Spot on!!!

 

[Delpanther]

Which is more of a fantasy, Chris Jones playing 10 mpg or being phased out of the rotation completely?

If he plays 10 minutes per game it's just another bad decision by a coach who at the moment is struggling to even develop a rotation half way through the season. Given how Dixon seems to have lost his way, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Jones continue to stink up the joint 10 minutes per game.

 

[Delpanther]

Ok, he'll never coach again. Good call.

That is the call and I'm pretty confident about it.

 

[whirlybird optio]

That is the call and I'm pretty confident about it.

No offense, but that is the single dumbest thing I have ever read on this, or any other message board.

Just so we are clear, your position is that if/when Jamie leaves Pitt, he will never coach another basketball game at any other institution? You think he is going to go the Paul Evans route and coach girls high school basketball? Or is that even too prestigious for Jamie?

 

[PittPoker]

Wrote this in a different thread but it is worth repeating - some people on here will never want Dixon to leave, no matter how many choke jobs we have in the dance, no matter how much regression there is. People are so scared about potentially taking a step back that they are satisfied with just the status quo.

Status Quo now is middle of the pack or worse in conference, beating up on cupcakes in the OOC schedule, no guarantee we make the dance at all and if we do it'll be a short exit. As Del stated above, all the progress and excitement he created at Pitt is just about gone. There is no reason Pitt should be in the position they are in after the success they had in the 2000's.

Oh and by success it's all relative. Early exits in the NCAA's were not good, but at least the teams were making the sweet 16, winning the Big East, winning the BET a few times, etc...

 

[Delpanther]

No offense, but that is the single dumbest thing I have ever read on this, or any other message board.

Just so we are clear, your position is that if/when Jamie leaves Pitt, he will never coach another basketball game at any other institution? You think he is going to go the Paul Evans route and coach girls high school basketball? Or is that even too prestigious for Jamie?

Not dumb at all. Given his contract situation, for all intents and purposes the bottom will have to have fallen out for Pitt to have given him the heave ho. If that happens, not very likely that a Power 5 conference team would have any interest in him- first, what he accomplished will have been ancient history and second, while you don't want to hear this, he hasn't really accomplished enough to overcome his more recent record. Maybe a lower level conference team would be interested in him but would JD be interested in that kind of gig? Look, he's not going anywhere for 2 or 3 years but if he's axed then he's "toast".

 

[whirlybird optio]

Wrote this in a different thread but it is worth repeating - some people on here will never want Dixon to leave, no matter how many choke jobs we have in the dance, no matter how much regression there is. People are so scared about potentially taking a step back that they are satisfied with just the status quo.

Status Quo now is middle of the pack or worse in conference, beating up on cupcakes in the OOC schedule, no guarantee we make the dance at all and if we do it'll be a short exit. As Del stated above, all the progress and excitement he created at Pitt is just about gone. There is no reason Pitt should be in the position they are in after the success they had in the 2000's.

And some on here have never like Jamie, and have always wanted him to be fired. There are absolutes on both sides.

Some people have such a myopic view of sports that they can only repeat certain things. "Fire the coach" "Nutting is cheap" etc, etc. It's just lazy.

I would hope most people are somewhere in the middle. Jamie shouldn't be signed for life, but he's really not close to getting fired.

 

[whirlybird optio]

Not dumb at all. Given his contract situation, for all intents and purposes the bottom will have to have fallen out for Pitt to have given him the heave ho. If that happens, not very likely that a Power 5 conference team would have any interest in him- first, what he accomplished will have been ancient history and second, while you don't want to hear this, he hasn't really accomplished enough to overcome his more recent record. Maybe a lower level conference team would be interested in him but would JD be interested in that kind of gig? Look, he's not going anywhere for 2 or 3 years but if he's axed then he's "toast".

No. I will repeat. It is, really without question, the single dumbest thing I've ever read on here.

You don't think TCU would hire him in a millisecond? Depaul where Maggie coached? BC just hired Jim Christian...I mean, come on.

Also, he's way too smart to let the bottom totally fall out. He'd jump ship first.

 

[Zaratoughda]

Still clinging to the Chris Jones fantasy? He's useless-and should be phased out of the rotation completely. I'd play Cam, Wilson and Smith. Four years into the program and Jones hasn't improved a lick.

I admit Jones has his problems but play Smith and Wilson over him... you must be crazy.

Smith is the big hole in the D right now as I see it, watching the replays closely. He tries but is starting to look somewhat like Cam Wright out there. He will only shoot a 3 ball when he is wide open and otherwise dribbles the ball around and then passes it off... just like Wright used to.

On D... he doesn't stay between his man and the basket on drives consistently and even when he does, they just score over him.

For crying out loud. Maverick Rowan was taking it to the hoop on him and scoring. How bad can you get???

Wilson... ragged and can't help from fouling.. and when Dixon told him specifically not to foul Barber.. and he did it again anyways... Dixon sat his butt down.

I think Dixon will replace Smith in the starting lineup come the FSU game... with Jones. A matter of being bigger at guard.

He has gotta do SOMETHING to shake up the team.

But wait... remembering it is Jamie Dixon... maybe he will go back to starting Young at C. We are getting killed when he rotates him there against a team with significant bigs inside... but he does it anyways. Maybe he should GO FOR IT in the starting lineup.

 

[Delpanther]

No. I will repeat. It is, really without question, the single dumbest thing I've ever read on here.

You don't think TCU would hire him in a millisecond? Depaul where Maggie coached? BC just hired Jim Christian...I mean, come on.

Also, he's way too smart to let the bottom totally fall out. He'd jump ship first.

Not after he has run the Pitt program into the ground which will have been the case if he were fired. Your analysis completely ignores the state of affairs which would have triggered his firing- as we've said Pitt can't really afford to axe him unless he screws up royally. Obviously if he voluntarily jumps ship to the train wreck programs you reference, that would keep him in coaching. If the scenario I described were to occur it wouldn't be the first time a HC burned brightly for a while then flamed out completely- there are plenty examples of those- Paul Hewitt being one of the best examples.

 

[Delpanther]

And some on here have never like Jamie, and have always wanted him to be fired. There are absolutes on both sides.

Some people have such a myopic view of sports that they can only repeat certain things. "Fire the coach" "Nutting is cheap" etc, etc. It's just lazy.

I would hope most people are somewhere in the middle. Jamie shouldn't be signed for life, but he's really not close to getting fired.

What BS. People complaining now because they never liked Dixon. No people are complaining because in 2 of the last 3 games, Pitt's played like the local ymca squad. Add to that the team stunk last year- if you disagree with that you have your head up your tail end.

 

[whirlybird optio]

What BS. People complaining now because they never liked Dixon. No people are complaining because in 2 of the last 3 games, Pitt's played like the local ymca squad. Add to that the team stunk last year- if you disagree with that you have your head up your tail end.

I'm saying there are people who have never liked Jamie. I'm sure you would acknowledge that. Not a lot, but some. I'm only countering the view that apparently some people think Jamie should be coach for life. Extremes on both sides.

I agree with you, most people are on Jamie's case right now because last year was awful, and there are troubling signs right now. If we win 4 in a row no one will be talking about job securtity