How could you possibly know whether a new coach would do that or not? If you already knew he wouldn't why would you hire him in the first place?
To those firing Dixon....
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How could you possibly know whether a new coach would do that or not? If you already knew he wouldn't why would you hire him in the first place?
I don't. And neither do you or anyone else who wants to replace Dixon. And the only reason to replace Dixon would be to get better, right?
So, everyone that wants Dixon gone assumes the next coach would do better, despite the odds being that he does the same or worse.
Everyone screams replace the coach, but just assumes that the new coach will do better. It shows a complete lack of perspective, and is rather astounding that an adult fails to see the flip side and would rather live in a fantasy world.
Wow, just wow. You either need to sober up or pay attention to college basketball because that statement is simply ridiculous.
Exactly. And people like you always assume that the next coach will do worse.
As far as the odds go I feel pretty safe in saying that a new coach would not do as well as Pitt did during Dixon's early years. I don't see Pitt getting to that point again under Jamie Dixon either.
Assuming Pitt got a decent coach (never a sure thing) the program probably wouldn't change all that much. On the bubble a lot of years, getting in more often than not, and hopefully winning a game or two.
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why because Dixon's winning percentage is padded by playing cupcakes that any coach could win coaching Pitt, go over his non conference record in his 13 years, it speaks for itself, and YOU are happy with the last 5 years, and you think JD is the best for Pitt, you need to get sober, and you are a basketball genius with so much basketball knowledge, take deep breaths. Moron, a lot of coaches could do what JD has done here, but after the last 5 years why would you want him to, you too are happy with mediocrity, and that's all it's been, get over it
Well, depending on who it is a new coach would probably be cheaper. Changes in management always bring newfound optimism, at least in the short term. I think we pretty much know what we have in Jamie Dixon, not that there's anything wrong with that at all. With a new coach there does exist the possibility of catching lighting in a bottle, it does happen sometime.
What I find bizarre are guys like you that seem to be more Jamie Dixon fans than they are Pitt fans. I don't care who the coach is as long as the program does well. Sometimes guys get stale if they're in one place for too long. If he moved on maybe it would be better for him. I have no way of knowing if it would be better for Pitt basketball or not.
If we lost or fired Dixon we'd likely hire a no name. That is a fact. He'd likely do worse than Dixon. Unfortunately, Dixon has been awful the past 5 years
Then you completely misunderstand me. I want Jamie Dixon to do well, because he is our best chance at success. He showed he can have a ton of success here. The next coach would likely be a total shot in the dark...and one I am nowhere near ready to take.
There is a problem with definitions. Lots of ambiguous adjectives and adverbs with nothing defined by actual data. What is actually average?
Anyone want to guess what the average number of NCAA tournament appearances are for current Power 5 conference members during the last 10 seasons (2007-2016)?
The average is X.62. You can add in the current Big East, which only moves the average up 0.04. Add the current American to that, and it moves the P5 average down 0.20. Take a guess what X=.
Anyone want to guess what the average number of NCAA tournament appearances are for current Power 5 conference members during the last 10 seasons (2007-2016)?
The average is X.62. You can add in the current Big East, which only moves the average up 0.04. Add the current American to that, and it moves the P5 average down 0.20. Take a guess what X=.
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Ok, I edited it for clarity while you were posting so it's not fair that you guessed 2.5 when it is X.62. (just in case someone sees your post which is out of sequence with my edit).
Also, I'll add that I am counting NCAA vacated tournament appearances in this average (which is 4 total vacated appearances for the power 5 and 1 vacated appearance in the American).
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Are you still hanging out in South Beach or do you actually come to a game (FB and/or BB) now and then?
Tell Jim & Deb that I said hello!
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I haven't lived in Miami for 10 years. I'm now four hours away but I attend nearly all weekend football and men's hoops games. Jim & Deb left Florida before I did.
COengr@outlook.com Let's get together....I think that you are doing a GREAT job representing the University!
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If he could do better, he could do worse. I am not saying either way, only that it is possible. Not every coaching change ever made works out. I am with DT pretty much, made the tourney 11 of 13 years. We have crapped the bed numerous times, but it wouldn't take much to do worse. The upside would be harder than the downside, especially if we hired a coach from the lower ranks. One thing I am certain of, if we canned the staff and lost the incoming class, in spite of its low ranking on paper, being worse in the near term is very possible. Long term, perhaps not, perhaps.
tell that to NC state, Clemson, wake, BC, etc....
Again, fire him, don't fire him. Not defending him at all. But you guys seem stuck on hyperbole when the upside has a defined cap, and the downside is an even steeper cliff.
We will not likely hire a guy who makes us Duke, UK or UNC. What level are you really striving for that you think we would reasonably achieve. Again, fire him. Fine. Based on who we possibly get, if we stay flat which is most likely (though maybe not as ugly sometimes), is it worth doing? We would just have a new name to bitch about.
Yes, he has been awful for 5 years. Unfortunately, we can't do better. He is a good coach in a slum due to poor recruiting at the guard spot.
I've not been in the fire JD group and I'm not ready to join it now ,but I had a real problem with his coaching tonight. Pitt was not destined or talented enough to go very deep into the tourney this year and we all knew this going in so losing tonight wasn't all that unexpected. Although they really should be playing Sunday , Wisconsin is horrible. I've read most of the fire him crap throughout the year and snickered , losing to more talented teams is one thing ,but losing because your coach didn't play the right guys is inexcusable at this point in the season. Luthers development has been the biggest surprise of the season and watching the two grad transfers amass 0 pts in extended PT while Luther sat is unexplainable .Your offense scored you 43 pts and you lost the game because of it ,not poor defense. Maybe Pitt still loses tonight if Luther goes 40 minutes ,but get him in there see if he adds a spark , he has most of the second half of the season and you had no other answers . I've always defended his game day coaching feeling he knows his players way better than us ,but after tonight I'm just not so sure. Why haven't they incorporated plays to get Cam open shots they need his scoring to open things up ,they just stand around and pass the ball on the perimeter then they try to force it inside to Young or Artis and Robinson take poor shots as the clock expires. Puzzling !
I don't think Pitt can afford an upgrade with the buyout and I'd doubt that any established successful head coach would be interested in coming here anyway. So that would leave you with hiring an up and comer who if he's successful here leaves for a better job. We all know recruiting is an issue , but what I learned tonight was that he needs help on the bench . Changes need to be made .
I don't think Pitt can afford an upgrade with the buyout and I'd doubt that any established successful head coach would be interested in coming here anyway. So that would leave you with hiring an up and comer who if he's successful here leaves for a better job. We all know recruiting is an issue , but what I learned tonight was that he needs help on the bench . Changes need to be made .
Wow some of the Dixon apologists and jigers probably have never made a change in their lives, a new car, a new home, took a new job, hell, divorced their spouse. Always afraid of the other side.... Maybe , just maybe the grass is greener on the other side. I have found it to be true. Accept the ugly play, the lack of winning, poor recruiting, what do you really have. Pete is emptying out, student support is waning, schedule is maybe the norm but pathetic. Dixon has built his career on one thing, making the dance. But as I said the apologist took the same girl to the dance as last year and never got laid...even though the new girl in math class has been looking good. Take a leap of faith Pitt... Time to go another direction. Yes, it could be worse, but it can also be much better.
In regards to the cupcake comment, I'm pretty sure that Dixon has the highest winning % of any coach in the Big East history. He also happened to have better assistant coaches back then, which is something that hopefully will be addressed this off-season. He needs to get some assistants who can recruit and coach.
So the main point is that we shouldn't be mad because a coach in his 13th year had his team (returning 3-4 starters) was picked 10th in the conference and was "supposed" to be a nit contender got in the NCAA's? Finishing essentially 10th in the conference and playing one of the worst tournament games in recent memory and having the 76th recruiting class in the country coming in?
It's so stupid it's laughable .
It's so stupid it's laughable .
Who's fault is it that Pitt returns 3-4 starters and picked to finish 10th in conference, says something about the recruiter and talent level at Pitt
I refrained from losing my mind last night. I figured that I'd sleep on it, and see what things looked like in the morning. Well, they still stink. There's still no explanation for not playing Luther. The "I was worried about him matching up with Happ" is utter BS. If Dixon really believes that, then he should leave on his own because he's the one that recruited Luther, & if he believes what he said, well then he's admitting that he whiffed on the kid. Maybe Ryan broke a team rule, or was hurt, or sick. But not that Dixon was worried about the matchup. Don't placate us with that garbage, nobody is buying it.
For those that point to the myriad of other teams dropping in the tourney, I say, look at how they lost. Wisconsin didn't beat Pitt. Pitt beat Pitt. Jamie Dixon beat Pitt. Again. Pitt has been its own worst enemy this year. Talent, or lack of, is one thing. But just horrid basketball IQ is unforgivable. This is a dumb basketball team, one that got worse as the season progressed. That's on the head coach and the staff.
I don't think there should be a change of HC in the off season. I do, however, think the staff must be overhauled, and that's going to be a bone of contention for Duxon. But, it has to be done. Dixon must understand that the new administration has higher expectations than the previous one, and the way this season ended is unacceptable.
And again, there's no excuse for not playing Luther last night. None. Nada. Zip.
For those that point to the myriad of other teams dropping in the tourney, I say, look at how they lost. Wisconsin didn't beat Pitt. Pitt beat Pitt. Jamie Dixon beat Pitt. Again. Pitt has been its own worst enemy this year. Talent, or lack of, is one thing. But just horrid basketball IQ is unforgivable. This is a dumb basketball team, one that got worse as the season progressed. That's on the head coach and the staff.
I don't think there should be a change of HC in the off season. I do, however, think the staff must be overhauled, and that's going to be a bone of contention for Duxon. But, it has to be done. Dixon must understand that the new administration has higher expectations than the previous one, and the way this season ended is unacceptable.
And again, there's no excuse for not playing Luther last night. None. Nada. Zip.
My question is if there is major changes on the staff but Dixon stays, does things get any better?
Maybe not results wise, but the difference would be that, for the first time, the head coach's seat would be pretty warm.
Huggins been to 2 final 4's! Can't compare the two! Like saying fire tom izzo too!
You're in the minority which will be painfully obvious to you when you walk into the Pete next November. More pure drivel!
ok genious!
Whats your answer?
Let keep doing the same thing over and over again with Dixon.
Mediocore regular season play two 1 and out, and the rest 2 and out of the tournament since 2010.
A change would be good for PITT and Dixon.
He's burnt out at PITT! A lot of fans has Dixon burn out as well!
He'll go somewhere else and probably do well and so will PITT with a new coach and new recruiting philosophy like recruit players with a pulse!
3 tourney appearances in 5 years is awful????
Nevermind. A 2 year old has more perspective.
Who cares about appearances. Its easy to build up a regular season record and RPI to just make the field and bomb out in the first round to an equally miserable team.
I'd rather get in the tourney once in a while and have a better performance than one and out!
I'm seen better shooting than PITT's at a pick up game at the local hs gym.
