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Tons of Transition, but 1 Constant

Wrong! The administration, AD, and Dixon should have sat down and laid out a plan together as to what needed to be done to improve the situation.

If the other poster is right and Dixon didn't want to be here and the boosters didn't want him here then the best thing to do is what was done.
 
I know you love to argue. I can't envision any scenario retaining Wanny that would have been worse than this:

Four losing seasons. None of the winning seasons win count exceeding the count that got him fired.
National laughingstocks for AD eff ups.
Four coaches and half the fanbase itching for coach number five.
Attendance that reeks.
1-5 post season record in shitty bowls.
Mindnumbing WTF losses that are approaching double digits.
Uninspired recruiting.
Nothing at this point to believe the program is trending up. 6-6 probably is the ceiling for next year.

Seven years and this is where we are. Only in your world would anyone think that is mediocrity. Enjoying the ride?
Yes,much like wanny’s 6 years .
Simple
 
I will just cover the last 7 years. Pitt is absolutely toxic. The take from outsiders.

1) Wanny - He had Pitt on the right track. He was a loyal, Pitt guy. Pitt nudges him out. Makes no sense.

2) Graham - He leaves after 1 year. Bizarre, but he is a job hopper and left for a better job.

3) Chryst - He left for his alma mater. Understandable.

4) Dixon - A good coach who won a lot of games. Highly respected. Pitt opens the door for him to leave. Alarm bells are going off for other coaches. WTF is going on at Pitt.

5) Barnes - He is here for 1 year and bolts. He goes to a school that is near the bottom of the Power 5.

6) Narduzzi - Wins 8 games his first 2 years, and is starting to build the program. Still receives little support from fans, and some of them want a change.

Pitt has a small, apathetic, and unrealistic fanbase. Combine that with a holier than thou administration that would prefer Pitt to be more like an Ivy League school.

Add the last two OC left after one season and multiple AD's. While I don't agree with all your points completely they are mostly on target. I don't think most fans want PN fired yet but there are many of us that will if he has another losing season. I think its reasonable to see progress next year, especially on D.
 
Letting Wanny go was the absolute worst. The guy never leaves & takes advantage of PSU's sanctions. Yes his game day coaching lacked in areas but his recruiting was pretty good and gaining momentum. At some point the talent would have overshadowed some bad game day coaching.

Dave Wannstedt would not have won eight games in the past two seasons, perhaps combined.
 
I disagree, but even so that wasn’t the question. Even if you think it was time to part ways, a good replacement was...KevIn stallings?

isn't that Pitt's main problem, going way back to Jackie Sherrill's departure (Foge Fazio)? Screwing up the hire?
 
I saw Dave Wannstedt coach. By the time he was fired he had almost brought Pitt back to being as good as it was when he took over for Walt Harris albeit in a very diminished league. It only took him five years.
Correct - an 8-5 type program once the coach gets his players in place. That is what we are.
 
If you think Wanny was the answer or had the program on the right track, you are clueless. He is a loser. He couldn't win an awful BE.

I lost faith in HCPN last night. The recruiting is not good and 4 wins in year 3 show the program is going the wrong way, not being built up.

Mostly agree. I gotta admit that while I still support HCPN and think he can get the job done there is obviously some big question marks with his coaching and I think there should be some changes to his staff after the year.

Last night might have been one of the worst coached games I have seen.

Watson is awful as the OC and the defense is a trainwreck still. That is on HCPN but Conklin stinks also.

The 4 wins is year 3 is not even that much of a major concern to me. Teams/programs sometimes take a step back while a program is being built up. BUt it is HOW we are at 4 wins, the awful handling of the QB position, the lack of improvement and developement of players, the offensive joke of game plans, etc...
 
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Wrong! The administration, AD, and Dixon should have sat down and laid out a plan together as to what needed to be done to improve the situation.

I pretty much track everything you talk about in both sports.

Dixon should have been given a life contract and did exactly what you said, sat down and discussed what the 5 year gameplan is and how to approach it.

I was f'n thrilled with 20 win seasons every year, having a bad @ss team that other teams hated to play and even when that came to bowing out of the tourney each year due to a 30 percent shooting night, I was OK with that. We had a coach we respected, a team that was feared (albeit not for the superstar players) and we were considered a good program.

Football, same. Say what you will about Wannstedt, he knows and knew how to get the city behind him, get recruits to love the city, and we played good ball; (again, I know, it was boring, and our QBs sucked badly). I was happy with the performance in general, and I KNEW THAT, if we held this status quo of good lines, good defense, good running game, that one year we would strike lightning in a bottle and get the QB that pushed us over. The same thing happens in most big 10 schools, they are usually a QB away from a great season (see Michigan, MSU, Iowa, Wisky, Nebraska). That is OK. We have a great academic school, we will get recruits if we have capable recruiters.
Narduzzi is a fire plug that may be getting worn out a bit. We need to either go all out now with him, or bring Wannstedt back. I dont know what else we can do. Narduzzi is our guy, and the Pittsburgh media and our own assinine fans will try to run him out of town, and we will be mired in crap for years to come. Stop the stupidy! It is utter nonsense. A bad coach doesnt go on the road and beat the national champions. Just think about that. Our team this year is a bad team. We have duct tape all over the place. Let it go off you like water on a ducks ass and hold off for 2 years.
 
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Pitt is an 8-5 type program. You are a good coach if you accomplish that at Pitt. Florida is easily one of the Top 10 jobs in the country. No comparison.
You think too much! Plus, your obsession to constantly paint Pitt football as a 8 win type program at best is tiresome and really getting old.

I am actually starting to believe your a nit wit fan.

If recruits happen to read what you and others keep saying no wonder the local kids have such a bad perception of Pitt.

It’s probably best you go to bed
 
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You think too much! Plus, your obsession to constantly paint Pitt football as a 8 win type program at best is tiresome and really getting old.

I am actually starting to believe your a nit wit fan.

If recruits happen to read what you and others keep saying no wonder the local kids have such a bad perception of Pitt.

It’s probably best you go to bed
Yea - someone who has been supporting this program for over 30 years is the problem. It could not possibly be the 30k+ empty seats at Heinz and lack of Gameday atmosphere. Damn.... I must be one powerful message board poster.
 
You think too much! Plus, your obsession to constantly paint Pitt football as a 8 win type program at best is tiresome and really getting old.

I am actually starting to believe your a nit wit fan.

If recruits happen to read what you and others keep saying no wonder the local kids have such a bad perception of Pitt.

It’s probably best you go to bed

You realize if you are constantly an 8 win program that is a good thing, right?

As I said, that is the goal, then hope you find magic every so often and that QB or play maker can up that to 10 wins or more.
 
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You realize if you are constantly an 8 win program that is a good thing, right?

As I said, that is the goal, then hope you find magic every so often and that QB or play maker can up that to 10 wins or more.
You realize the average P5 team wins 8 games a year, right?

Averaging 8 wins a year is a completely different thing and we aren't close to that as a program. 8 wins (being average) is our ceiling right now.

Hilarious you still believe in DW. He is an absolute loser. He couldn't get it done when we had no competition.

Correct - an 8-5 type program once the coach gets his players in place. That is what we are.
8-5 in that BE is like 11-2 in the ACC. Wannstedt was and is a loser, even if he does love Pitt.
 
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I’m as outspoken as anyone about narduzzi, but he needs one more year. If he goes 4-8 or in general misses a bowl you part ways.

Anyone that wants to extend him is clueless. Also, the wanny comment is laughable. He blew his chance.
I absolutely agree Narduzzi has to get one more year, if for no other reason there will be far too many better jobs open, even before those get filled by spring P5 HCs. The worry is the recruiting this year sucks and would of course suck in a coaching change year, so we would have two years of mediocre recruiting and two bad years of recruiting making up the new coach's team.

It just seems very likely we are going to be a bad team again next year and then not much to count on for 2019.
 
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Options......
1) Support PN and his staff, and let him continue building the program. We will probably get similar results to Walt.

2) Try to catch lightning in a bottle. Another roll of the dice. More transition. If he does well he is gone after 2 years.

The correct answer is #1.
I'm sorry you don't believe at all in Pitt.

If Pitt settles for being a 6.5-7 win program, it is not worth supporting.
 
Letting Wanny go was the absolute worst. The guy never leaves & takes advantage of PSU's sanctions. Yes his game day coaching lacked in areas but his recruiting was pretty good and gaining momentum. At some point the talent would have overshadowed some bad game day coaching.

maybe, maybe not. 2010 was terrible, crushed by WVU & Miami, humiliated by UCONN, And this was in year 6. Plus three underachieving years in 05, 06 & 07.

But as you said would have been nice to have stability with the nit sanctions. Maybe he rebounds in 2011? Would he have landed Henry, Cox, Nicholson? Not sure as he lost locals like Ricketts & Diffenbach.

I can't fault the admin for trying to do better than Wannstedt but the way it has been executed has been poor.
 
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