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That is what they say. I lived in Altoona a few years before moving out to "the Cove". The Cove years have been....interesting.
I don't know if they say that. But I still spend quite a bit of time in Altoona with family there.
 
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Titusville had 28 students in the fall term. They're all associate degree nursing students. It is the only Pitt degree left on campus.

The rest of it now serves as a regional training hub stuff... Northern PA Regional College, Brockway Center for Arts & Tech, Manufacturing Assistance Center, Manchester Bidwell...all rent space from Pitt. It is way better than shutting it down, which was the other option, and one no one wanted.

You should have gotten out of your car. It has more than one building, including the former McKinney House mansion, on approximately two blocks:
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Got rid of the student housing a couple of blocks east of the core campus, but has the rest.

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Its always been a JUCO, correct? How can they justify keeping the doors open with 1 degree program and 28 students?
 
It was always only 2 years. Read again how it is now serving as training hub used by other institutions.

Yea I saw that but that sounds like those schools are just renting classrooms. So, I get that the land may be valuable from a rental standpoint but how can they justify keeping the actual university open? Like couldn't they just eliminate that nursing program and just call it like the Pitt Northern PA Career Center.
 
Yea I saw that but that sounds like those schools are just renting classrooms. So, I get that the land may be valuable from a rental standpoint but how can they justify keeping the actual university open? Like couldn't they just eliminate that nursing program and just call it like the Pitt Northern PA Career Center.
Because there is a huge need for nurses and it makes complete sense to keep a program in demand running.

This isn't hard.
 
Because there is a huge need for nurses and it makes complete sense to keep a program in demand running.

This isn't hard.

How many employees do they have for these 28 students? Does Pitt-Bradford have an Associate's Nursing Program? It might be better to "close UPT" but have those 28 students take their nursing classes in a UPT classroom but actually be enrolled at UPB. But I am guessing they don't have any employees beyond the professors and maintenance
 
So I take it they are the best state school? Good for them. I am not familiar with how those schools were set up by I think PA did a really poor job of locating those schools and naming them. Of course, I dont know the demographics back then but when you look at Ohio, those schools are in medium-size cities, mostly:

Youngstown
Akron
Kent
Toledo
Cincinnati

And they are named after those cities. Seems like PA should have located these schools in like Altoona, Harrisburg, Erie, Scranton, Greensburg (more populated back then), cities like that.
West Chester is the largest school in the system and the only one whose enrollment has been increasing. Instead of combining several of the schools the state really needed to shutter several of them.
 
How many employees do they have for these 28 students? Does Pitt-Bradford have an Associate's Nursing Program? It might be better to "close UPT" but have those 28 students take their nursing classes in a UPT classroom but actually be enrolled at UPB. But I am guessing they don't have any employees beyond the professors and maintenance

It is like you didn't even read the articles.

Titusville is no longer a separate college. UPB runs it. Organizationally, it is essentially remote site of UPB, and students in the Nursing AS or MAC training programs can transfer into UPB to finishes their bachelors in nursing or engineering tech, if they want to.

7 full time faculty, 2 part time, 14 staff. That's down from about 90 a decade ago when it was a full fledged 2 year college. The staff don't just participate in the nursing program; they are involved in running all the campus facilities and programs: security, facilities, library, maintenance, IT; infastructure that all the partner programs utilize.

Pitt studied what to do with UPT six years ago because it was floundering as a 2-year college at not so junior college prices. It was in a death spiral; the choice was to shut it down and abandon the community, which they vehemently didn't want Pitt to do, or try something novel. It appears to be working and serving its community-focused vocational training mission; with its educational participants focused on training in occupations that the region needs the most. Believe it or not, Pitt is actually a non-profit. I don't get what you don't get.
 
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It is like you didn't even read the articles.

Titusville is no longer a separate college. UPB runs it. Organizationally, it is essentially remote site of UPB, and students in the Nursing AS or MAC training programs can transfer into UPB to finishes their bachelors in nursing or engineering tech, if they want to.

7 full time faculty, 2 part time, 14 staff. That's down from about 90 a decade ago when it was a full fledged 2 year college. The staff don't just participate in the nursing program; they are involved in running all the campus facilities and programs: security, facilities, library, maintenance, IT; infastructure that all the partner programs utilize.

Pitt studied what to do with UPT six years ago because it was floundering as a 2-year college at not so junior college prices. It was in a death spiral; the choice was to shut it down and abandon the community, which they vehemently didn't want Pitt to do, or try something novel. It appears to be working and serving its community-focused vocational training mission; with its educational participants focused on training in occupations that the region needs the most. Believe it or not, Pitt is actually a non-profit. I don't get what you don't get.

Ok. So Pitt-Titusville has indeed closed. That makes sense now. The buildings remain as rental space and 28 UPB students take classes there.
 
Ok. So Pitt-Titusville has indeed closed. That makes sense now. The buildings remain as rental space and 28 UPB students take classes there.
It is closed only by how you define it in your head.

The 28 students are Pitt students at the UPT campus. They apply and are admitted to UPT. The UPT campus is under the leadership of UPB, but the students are not counted by Pitt as students at UPB. They were not admitted to UPB. UPT is still reported out as a separate school to federal IPEDS.

Every one of Pitt's regional campuses is a constituent college of the University of Pittsburgh. Each of their accreditation falls under the University of Pittsburgh, not their own. Every regional president answers to a Pitt senior vice chancellor/provost the same as the deans of each of the schools do like business or engineering or Dietrich. The difference is that president of UPB is also the president of UPT, a now combined position that is reflected in the title of the position. Every student at any campus is a Pitt student and receives a Pitt degree with the only the "University of Pittsburgh" on their diploma.

If you want to understand it better, go to the websites and read about the structure.
 
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If so, you need to tell that to the guy I wrote about: The WVU grad who parked our cars at the US Grant Hotel in San Diego. Majored in hotel administration. Took the low end valet job because he thought he could work his way up. Passed over for promotion for 12 years, which he was convinced was 100% due to his WVU degree.

The fact is that many of their graduates have to leave the state to find work and then find a degree from WVU is worth absolutely nothing elsewhere.
That's his individual problem, anecdotal example, I'm sure there's someone in his class running a hotel.
 
My observation based on living in Charleston WV for 41 of the past 45 years is that WV kids - on average - don’t get a very good education in the public schools system here. There are some really good exceptions (both school and individual teachers), but overall, wow. I’ve been shocked at times talking to school teachers in this state. And I’ve seen examples of kids who graduated as valedictorian in their HS having to take multiple remedial classes first year of college.
 
It is closed only by how you define it in your head.

The 28 students are Pitt students at the UPT campus. They apply and are admitted to UPT. The UPT campus is under the leadership of UPB, but the students are not counted by Pitt as students at UPB. They were not admitted to UPB. UPT is still reported out as a separate school to federal IPEDS.

Every one of Pitt's regional campuses is a constituent college of the University of Pittsburgh. Each of their accreditation falls under the University of Pittsburgh, not their own. Every regional president answers to a Pitt senior vice chancellor/provost the same as the deans of each of the schools do like business or engineering or Dietrich. The difference is that president of UPB is also the president of UPT, a now combined position that is in the title of the position. Every student at any campus is a Pitt student and receives a Pitt degree with the only the "University of Pittsburgh" on their diploma.

If you want to understand it better, go to the websites and read about it.

This is what you said:

"Titusville is no longer a separate college. UPB runs it. Organizationally, it is essentially remote site of UPB."

So, to me, that means they have closed Pitt-Titusville and it has been merged into Pitt-Bradford. They may report it otherwise but from what you are saying, it sure seems like those are Pitt-Bradford students taking classes in a building in Titusville, PA. I suspect Pitt is avoiding the technical closure over optics. But its closed.
 
This is what you said:

"Titusville is no longer a separate college. UPB runs it. Organizationally, it is essentially remote site of UPB."

So, to me, that means they have closed Pitt-Titusville and it has been merged into Pitt-Bradford. They may report it otherwise but from what you are saying, it sure seems like those are Pitt-Bradford students taking classes in a building in Titusville, PA. I suspect Pitt is avoiding the technical closure over optics. But its closed.
As I've said repeatedly, Pitt avoided closing it down by turning it into a post-secondary vocational training hub. So yes, that is exactly what happened. Pitt avoided completely shutting it down and boarding up the buildings by changing UPT's purpose and mission and slashing over 2/3rds of the number of employees that work there in the process. They retained the one most in-demand and needed academic program as part of the hub: AS in nursing.

Administratively, it has been merged into UBP to the degree that the president of UPB is also now the president of UPT and has responsibilities for UPT's operations. Rich Esch's official title is: President, University of Pittsburgh at Bradford & Titusville. That was obviously done to save money.

However, there are aspects that are still separate, most notably by the fact that the 28 students at UPT are not admitted to nor considered UPB students unless they transfer to UPB after they finish at UPT, which is essentially an articulation agreement. The faculty and staff of UPT are also not considered faculy or staff at UPB.

The most analogous but flawed comparision is UPT is like a college or campus of UPB, uperfectly similar to how one might think of UPB as a college of the overall University of Pittsburgh. Likewise UPB students aren't admitted into the Pittsburgh campus of the university, nor are their faculty and staff part of the Pittsburgh campus or have privledges there, and the schools are considered separate, even though they aren't in other ways like accredidation and diplomas awarded.
 
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My observation based on living in Charleston WV for 41 of the past 45 years is that WV kids - on average - don’t get a very good education in the public schools system here. There are some really good exceptions (both school and individual teachers), but overall, wow. I’ve been shocked at times talking to school teachers in this state. And I’ve seen examples of kids who graduated as valedictorian in their HS having to take multiple remedial classes first year of college.
You could add schools in western PA into this, as well as the city schools. Case in point, I know a professor that teaches Calc at Pitt. He had a valedictorian from one of the city schools who was failing his calc class. Used to come see him crying that she never had bad grades in HS and how could this be happening. Obviously every case is different, but he can tell by district which kids will be better prepared than others.

When I was talking to regional admission folks at different colleges regarding my oldest, I learned they keep their own ranking of schools in each region. It allows them to quickly compare a 4.5 gpa at one high school vs a 4.5 gpa at another.

So yeah, a GPA or class rank doesn't really mean anything without proper context. It's why a lot of schools are dropping the test optional stuff that was implemented during Covid.
 
The fact is that many of their graduates have to leave the state to find work and then find a degree from WVU is worth absolutely nothing elsewhere.
You're half right and half wrong. I have a WVU degree, moved to Pittsburgh for first job, then Ohio for 2nd job, and then ended up in Chicago. I retired 3 years ago as COO of a company with 37,000 employees. I would venture to guess I paid more in taxes last year than you will make in a lifetime. My WVU degree didn't hold me back one iota.
 
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