Tweet about Pickett/young QBs

[Sean Miller Fan]

Dont know if Sam Block is anyone important but I agree with this tweet:

Geno was "done." Then a legit QB1.
Baker was "done". Then a legit QB1.
Darnold was "done." Then a legit QB1.

These guys can be that in 2025
Justin Fields
Daniel Jones
Kenny Pickett
Trey Lance
Zach Wilson
Jameis Winston
Marcus Marriota

Now me.

The problem with 1st Round QB's is they have to be really good right away. Maybe there's some leniency in Year 1. But by Year 2, if they dont show franchise potential, teams move on. Most QB's take time. Its a very hard position. There are some QBs who are very good right away and NFL teams feel if their 1st Rounder isnt a Pro Bowl type right away, jts a wasted pick and time to move on.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Funny, I was just about to make a post about the updated version of the most tired topics on this board and see if the consensus was that Kenny is now #1, haha.

But this guy's post sucks. Winston and Mariota?! Two 31-year-olds who have had ample opportunities? I don't think so.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

Funny, I was just about to make a post about the updated version of the most tired topics on this board and see if the consensus was that Kenny is now #1, haha.

But this guy's post sucks. Winston and Mariota?! Two 31-year-olds who have had ample opportunities? I don't think so.

Yeah the window on Winston and Mariota is likely closed.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Yeah the window on Winston and Mariota is likely closed.

And, seeing as the Lord never really delivered Winston from pick-sixes, likely boarded shut in a Night of the Living Dead-esque fashion.

 

[BillyWestFan]

Some of those guys on that list could become serviceable in the mold of Vinny Testaverde, Steve DeBerg, or Steve Bono who were more or less journeymen who won some playoffs games and a super bowl. I know different era , but still possible.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Funny, I was just about to make a post about the updated version of the most tired topics on this board and see if the consensus was that Kenny is now #1, haha.

But this guy's post sucks. Winston and Mariota?! Two 31-year-olds who have had ample opportunities? I don't think so.

Agree on Winston and Marriota but I do think that young, 2nd chance 1st Rounders are a good investment.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Some of those guys on that list could become serviceable in the mold of Vinny Testaverde, Steve DeBerg, or Steve Bono who were more or less journeymen who won some playoffs games and a super bowl. I know different era , but still possible.

Brad Johnson vs Rich Gannon in the Super Bowl was a reclamation project fan's delight. Not sure if we'll see that again any time soon with Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Daniels, etc. in the league.

 

[BillyWestFan]

Brad Johnson vs Rich Gannon in the Super Bowl was a reclamation project fan's delight. Not sure if we'll see that again any time soon with Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Daniels, etc. in the league.

Brad Johnson is who I was thinking of not Steve Bono. Bono won a Super Bowl as a back-up.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

Geno was "done." Then a legit QB1.
Baker was "done". Then a legit QB1.
Darnold was "done." Then a legit QB1.

What is a legit "QB1?" A starter? A franchise QB?

To me QB1 typically just means a starter. It doesn't matter how good/bad they are, just that they start.

None of those QB's imo will ever be the catalyst for a Super Bowl winning team. They all need to be in specific situations that hides their ineptitudes and highlight they're limited strengths.

 

[Pitt2009]

Rule #1. Don’t get drafted by the Jets.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

What is a legit "QB1?" A starter? A franchise QB?

To me QB1 typically just means a starter. It doesn't matter how good/bad they are, just that they start.

None of those QB's imo will ever be the catalyst for a Super Bowl winning team. They all need to be in specific situations that hides their ineptitudes and highlight they're limited strengths.

Above average.

Above average is good enough. There's only going to be a handful of franchise QB's.

 

[CJsE]

Now me.

The problem with 1st Round QB's is they have to be really good right away. Maybe there's some leniency in Year 1. But by Year 2, if they dont show franchise potential, teams move on. Most QB's take time. Its a very hard position. There are some QBs who are very good right away and NFL teams feel if their 1st Rounder isnt a Pro Bowl type right away, jts a wasted pick and time to move on.

Most QBs take time? Which decade of NFL football are we talking about?

Most of the starting QBs in the NFL were putting up solid stats in their freshman or sophomore seasons. Hell, most of them probably won at least one award or Pro Bowl by the end of their 3rd season.

 

[bobfree]

I still think in right situation Mariota could be above average. He's very accurate

 

[noelr]

I still think in right situation Mariota could be above average. He's very accurate

he was awful in atlanta; terrible with accuracy and reads. good legs. that's it.

 

[boseman7]

Scheme + coaching + work ethic means everything.

 

[bobfree]

he was awful in atlanta; terrible with accuracy and reads. good legs. that's it.

He wasn't good in Atlanta I agree. I still think he can be good in the nfl. Qb play under Arthur Smith has never been great.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

Brad Johnson vs Rich Gannon in the Super Bowl was a reclamation project fan's delight. Not sure if we'll see that again any time soon with Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Daniels, etc. in the league.

I think perhaps the biggest redemption/reclamation QB aside from Gannon was Jim Plunkett.

 

[pittdan77]

I know there will be an obsession with making Justin Fields look like an emerging all-pro from now until September by feeding garbage to the lackeys but I would prefer the Steelers spend their time actually doing some work to rebuild the offense.

 

[CJsE]

I think perhaps the biggest redemption/reclamation QB aside from Gannon was Jim Plunkett.

I'm going to have to say Steve Young. 1st overall pick by Tampa Bay in the supplemental draft (3 picks ahead of Reggie White), 3-16 as starter his first two seasons, traded to SF to back up Montana for a 2nd and 4th round pick after Tampa drafted Vinny Testaverde, then sat the bench for most of 5 seasons.

Average over first 6 seasons.
77-138 , 983 Yards , 6 TDs , 5 INTs

Average from age 31-37
283-423 , 3467 Yards, 25 TDs , 10 INTs , 2x MVP , 3x 1st Team All-Pro , 7x Pro Bowl , 1x Super Bowl MVP

 

[FreeportPanther]

I think perhaps the biggest redemption/reclamation QB aside from Gannon was Jim Plunkett.

Kurt Warner anyone?? He was bagging groceries after he initially got released.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

I'm going to have to say Steve Young. 1st overall pick by Tampa Bay in the supplemental draft (3 picks ahead of Reggie White), 3-16 as starter his first two seasons, traded to SF to back up Montana for a 2nd and 4th round pick after Tampa drafted Vinny Testaverde, then sat the bench for most of 5 seasons.

Average over first 6 seasons.
77-138 , 983 Yards , 6 TDs , 5 INTs

Average from age 31-37
283-423 , 3467 Yards, 25 TDs , 10 INTs , 2x MVP , 3x 1st Team All-Pro , 7x Pro Bowl , 1x Super Bowl MVP

OK. Good one.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

Kurt Warner anyone?? He was bagging groceries after he initially got released.

Also a good one! LOL But I was looking at someone who was a failed or "meh" starter as was Plunkett with the Patriots. Warner and Young never really failed as a starter, of course Warner completely failed out of the league so yeah he wins.

 

[CJsE]

Also a good one! LOL But I was looking at someone who was a failed or "meh" starter as was Plunkett with the Patriots. Warner and Young never really failed as a starter, of course Warner completely failed out of the league so yeah he wins.

But Young absolutely failed as a starter. He started 19 games in his first two seasons and went 3-16 with Tampa. He failed so bad they drafted Vinny Testaverde with the first overall pick they received because Young failed so hard as a starter.

 

[Pitt2009]

Alex Smith went from bust with SF to a 3-time Pro Bowler with KC.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Also a good one! LOL But I was looking at someone who was a failed or "meh" starter as was Plunkett with the Patriots. Warner and Young never really failed as a starter, of course Warner completely failed out of the league so yeah he wins.

Yeah, I thought of Warner but wasn't sure if he counted because he pretty much succeeded as soon as het go a chance in the NFL.

Tommy Maddox is another, I guess, but he really didn't do a ton for the Steelers. 15-16-1... meh.

 

[noelr]

He wasn't good in Atlanta I agree. I still think he can be good in the nfl. Qb play under Arthur Smith has never been great.

i just don't think he can accurately pass and make reads. he's a backup.

 

[mas1021]

Dont know if Sam Block is anyone important but I agree with this tweet:

Geno was "done." Then a legit QB1.
Baker was "done". Then a legit QB1.
Darnold was "done." Then a legit QB1.

These guys can be that in 2025
Justin Fields
Daniel Jones
Kenny Pickett
Trey Lance
Zach Wilson
Jameis Winston
Marcus Marriota

Now me.

The problem with 1st Round QB's is they have to be really good right away. Maybe there's some leniency in Year 1. But by Year 2, if they dont show franchise potential, teams move on. Most QB's take time. Its a very hard position. There are some QBs who are very good right away and NFL teams feel if their 1st Rounder isnt a Pro Bowl type right away, jts a wasted pick and time to move on.

Our old friend Max Browne did a video on this. Now a days young QBs have the teams on their shoulders right after being drafted. Mostly by bad teams. Back in the day a QB would sit for a few years before they were handed the reins. The new age is really hurting the development of these players.