Tyler Boyd's NFL Combine Numbers, going to need a miracle on draft day

[steel_curtain]

6'1 197lbs

4.58 and 4.61 in the 40 yard, weak

11 Reps at 225lb on the bench, which is a 310lb bench, which is weak as hell

34 Inch Vertical, below average

4.35 shuttle, which is below a good time

6.92 in the cone

-Hope his route running was Elite, because not else a lot to like with those numbers. I wouldn't draft him, but I wish him the best of luck and a long career in the NFL. Good luck Tyler, you need to play for New England, best team for your type of talent.

 

[pitt2010]

I've read he is one of the hotter names moving up draft boards.

 

[steel_curtain]

I've read he is one of the hotter names moving up draft boards.

-I hope he gets drafted 1st round. I dont see it with those numbers, and New England can sit on him and wait.

 

[pitt2010]

I've read first 10-12 picks in 2nd rd.

 

[steel_curtain]

I've read first 10-12 picks in 2nd rd.

-Realistically, those numbers arent even 3rd round worthy. He has to have shown strong route Running to go that high. Which isn't out of the realm of possibility, because a strong route runner can succeed in the NFL. The 10YPC average in college is also a potential killer on his stock. All the best to him, if he goes by the end of the 2nd round that is a nice accomplishment. Again, I hope it happens.

 

[steel_curtain]

-Realistically, those numbers arent even 3rd round worthy. He has to have shown strong route Running to go that high. Which isn't out of the realm of possibility, because a strong route runner can succeed in the NFL. The 10YPC average in college is also a potential killer on his stock. All the best to him, if he goes by the end of the 2nd round that is a nice accomplishment. Again, I hope it happens.

-One thing that will help him, this is a terrible WR class entering the draft, one of the worst in a long time.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

The other thing that help him is that he has superior hands, which is pretty important for a wide receiver. More important than most of those numbers, in fact. He won't get picked tonight, but tomorrow is another story.

 

[steel_curtain]

The other thing that help him is that he has superior hands, which is pretty important for a wide receiver. More important than most of those numbers, in fact. He won't get picked tonight, but tomorrow is another story.

-Superior is a strong word. Boyd had 5 Fumbles this year at Pitt. 5, for a WR.

 

[Piranha]

6'1 197lbs

4.58 and 4.61 in the 40 yard, weak

11 Reps at 225lb on the bench, which is a 310lb bench, which is weak as hell

34 Inch Vertical, below average

4.35 shuttle, which is below a good time

6.92 in the cone

-Hope his route running was Elite, because not else a lot to like with those numbers. I wouldn't draft him, but I wish him the best of luck and a long career in the NFL. Good luck Tyler, you need to play for New England, best team for your type of talent.

He compared very favorably at the NFL Sports Science Draft Special. He finds a way to get open and catches the ball. He will be a good #2 WR in the right system. How did Antonio Brown's numbers look at the combine?

 

[mvk112]

OMG why does Steel hate Pitt???!!!?!?

Closet PSU fan.

 

[steel_curtain]

He compared very favorably at the NFL Sports Science Draft Special. He finds a way to get open and catches the ball. He will be a good #2 WR in the right system. How did Antonio Brown's numbers look at the combine?

-Better than Boyd's

4.48 40
14 reps on the 225lb bench
34 inch vertical
6.98 cone
4.18 shuttle

 

[Piranha]

-Better than Boyd's

4.48 40
14 reps on the 225lb bench
34 inch vertical
6.98 cone
4.18 shuttle

NFL Combine Numbers
4.56 and 4.61 - 40
13 Reps

They had very similar numbers, but Boyd is taller and bigger.

 

[Gregory25]

TB's game film says he's a football player. The way he controls his body, his route running and hands are a big + Imo

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

-Superior is a strong word. Boyd had 5 Fumbles this year at Pitt. 5, for a WR.

NFL.com says Boyd's confidence and strong hands are positives. They note that Boyd is good at coming down with highly contested passes in traffic and that he handled a high target rate in college. Gil Brandt likes Boyd's natural route running abilities and calls him one of the players who isn't getting enough buzz heading into the draft. Anyone who watched Boyd play at Pitt knows that Boyd has great hands. Or at least anyone who watched him play who actually understands what they are watching.

But yeah, you keep worrying about how many times he did the bench press.

 

[steel_curtain]

NFL Combine Numbers
4.56 and 4.61 - 40
13 Reps

They had very similar numbers, but Boyd is taller and bigger.

-On Paper, that doesnt look like a huge difference. In the NFL which is a speed and power game, it is.

 

[steel_curtain]

NFL.com says Boyd's confidence and strong hands are positives. They note that Boyd is good at coming down with highly contested passes in traffic and that he handled a high target rate in college. Gil Brandt likes Boyd's natural route running abilities and calls him one of the players who isn't getting enough buzz heading into the draft. Anyone who watched Boyd play at Pitt knows that Boyd has great hands. Or at least anyone who watched him play who actually understands what they are watching.

But yeah, you keep worrying about how many times he did the bench press.

-No one is perfect in choosing NFL picks. There have been 1st Round Elite players and busts. There have been last round Elite players and busts. There have been guys that didnt even get drafted and have great careers.

-My point is, his numbers arent strong entering the league. And honestly, they were not all that strong at Pitt either. If you want me to break it down for you, I will.

 

[Piranha]

NFL.com says Boyd's confidence and strong hands are positives. They note that Boyd is good at coming down with highly contested passes in traffic and that he handled a high target rate in college. Gil Brandt likes Boyd's natural route running abilities and calls him one of the players who isn't getting enough buzz heading into the draft. Anyone who watched Boyd play at Pitt knows that Boyd has great hands. Or at least anyone who watched him play who actually understands what they are watching.

But yeah, you keep worrying about how many times he did the bench press.

I have to agree with you on this one. I am more worried about a WR getting off the line and catching the ball as opposed to his bench. A WR could bench 500lbs, but it means nothing if he cannot create separation and make the catch in traffic.

 

[steel_curtain]

NFL.com says Boyd's confidence and strong hands are positives. They note that Boyd is good at coming down with highly contested passes in traffic and that he handled a high target rate in college. Gil Brandt likes Boyd's natural route running abilities and calls him one of the players who isn't getting enough buzz heading into the draft. Anyone who watched Boyd play at Pitt knows that Boyd has great hands. Or at least anyone who watched him play who actually understands what they are watching.

But yeah, you keep worrying about how many times he did the bench press.

-By the way, your man Gil Brandt, doesnt think the Steel Curtain is a top defense all time. That is one of the dumbest things Ive ever read. And for whats it worth, maybe the Steelers kicking Dallas's ass all those years had something to do with it. Bias and jealousy do go hand in hand.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...burgh-steelers-off-all-time-nfl-defenses-list

 

[Piranha]

-No one is perfect in choosing NFL picks. There have been 1st Round Elite players and busts. There have been last round Elite players and busts. There have been guys that didnt even get drafted and have great careers.

-My point is, his numbers arent strong entering the league. And honestly, they were not all that strong at Pitt either. If you want me to break it down for you, I will.

Boyd will be a solid #2 WR for a long time. Since you are hung up on numbers. The best WR in NFL history was Jerry Rice. What were his combine numbers?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

-My point is, his numbers arent strong entering the league. And honestly, they were not all that strong at Pitt either. If you want me to break it down for you, I will.

And my point is that in the numbers that count the most and the things that are most important for a wide receiver his numbers are plenty strong enough. However you are on record as saying that you wouldn't draft him, so obviously you don't think he's going to make it as a pro. We will see how that turns out, but I can guarantee you this. At least almost all the NFL teams disagree with you. At least.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

-By the way, your man Gil Brandt, doesnt think the Steel Curtain is a top defense all time. That is one of the dumbest things Ive ever read. And for whats it worth, maybe the Steelers kicking Dallas's ass all those years had something to do with it. Bias and jealousy do go hand in hand.

What does that have to do with Tyler Boyd? Or is it that you don't think that Brandt understands the difference between the Pittsburgh Stillers and the Pitt Panthers?

 

[steel_curtain]

And my point is that in the numbers that count the most and the things that are most important for a wide receiver his numbers are plenty strong enough. However you are on record as saying that you wouldn't draft him, so obviously you don't think he's going to make it as a pro. We will see how that turns out, but I can guarantee you this. At least almost all the NFL teams disagree with you. At least.

-In the first 3 rounds. I wouldnt draft Boyd in the first 3 rounds. That is where he is projected to go. I'd take a flyer on him later on in the draft.

 

[rockypanther]

Steel Curtain would put Mike Mamula in the HOF just based on his combine numbers.

 

[Piranha]

Steel Curtain would put Mike Mamula in the HOF just based on his combine numbers.

Mamula and Mandarich - Combine HOF

 

[rockypanther]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-arians-combine-receivers-slowest-in-20-years

 

[steel_curtain]

Steel Curtain would put Mike Mamula in the HOF just based on his combine numbers.

-Even though injuries ruined his career, at least he wasn't a total bust in the NFL. There have been far worse.

 

[rockypanther]

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0a...e-workout-warrior-mike-mamula-changed-combine

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

-In the first 3 rounds. I wouldnt draft Boyd in the first 3 rounds. That is where he is projected to go. I'd take a flyer on him later on in the draft.

Yeah, I guess if I made a statement as dumb as yours I'd try to walk it back too.

 

[steel_curtain]

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0a...e-workout-warrior-mike-mamula-changed-combine

-What is your point? Not every player that has a strong combine has a great career, and I never said they did. I have no idea what you are even getting at there. Im about to watch the Pens game, its showtime.

 

[rockypanther]

I bet Boyd will make some team very happy. To me he is Golden Tate at this point but with better body control.

TB will break 1,000 yards in his 3rd season.

 

[steel_curtain]

Yeah, I guess if I made a statement as dumb as yours I'd try to walk it back too.

-Hope he goes to New England. Lets go Pens.

 

[rockypanther]

-What is your point? Not every player that has a strong combine has a great career, and I never said they did. I have no idea what you are even getting at there. Im about to watch the Pens game, its showtime.

What's your point? TB won't be drafted high because his combine numbers weren't off the charts. Not many WR ran a better 40 yard dash this year with his skill set. Teams are smarter than you believe it or not. He will top 2 rounds and deserves it. He is special.

 

[thebadby2]

NFL Combine Numbers
4.56 and 4.61 - 40
13 Reps

They had very similar numbers, but Boyd is taller and bigger.

And AB is far quicker, more elusive shiftier, a,d far more dangerous in space than TB.

I watched AB up close and personal for 4 years, starting with his college spring game his freshman year. He was different, a special kind of,talemt.

Not a knock on TB, who I think is likely to have a nice NFL career as a smaller and lesser version of Cris Carter.

 

[steel_curtain]

-What a goal by Malkin. That was ridiculous.

 

[thebadby2]

I have to agree with you on this one. I am more worried about a WR getting off the line and catching the ball as opposed to his bench. A WR could bench 500lbs, but it means nothing if he cannot create separation and make the catch in traffic.

Upper body strength is hugely important in getting off the LOS. The current breed of NFL CBs are physical freaks and the defensive focus in this pass happy era is to disrupt the timing of the passing game by attacking the WRs at the LOS.

That is a major knock on Boyd coming out. But he is fundamentally excellent with technique and routes and has some of the best hands out there. He will have a good run in the NFL.

 

[Piranha]

And AB is far quicker, more elusive shiftier, a,d far more dangerous in space than TB.

I watched AB up close and personal for 4 years, starting with his college spring game his freshman year. He was different, a special kind of,talemt.

Not a knock on TB, who I think is likely to have a nice NFL career as a smaller and lesser version of Cris Carter.

That is not the debate - the point is combine numbers are not the be all, end all.

 

[Piranha]

Upper body strength is hugely important in getting off the LOS. The current breed of NFL CBs are physical freaks and the defensive focus in this pass happy era is to disrupt the timing of the passing game by attacking the WRs at the LOS.

That is a major knock on Boyd coming out. But he is fundamentally excellent with technique and routes and has some of the best hands out there. He will have a good run in the NFL.

How much do u think Jerry Rice benched? Once again - the debate is in regards to combine numbers.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

I'd rather have a player who shows production on the field in full uniform rather than one who produces numbers in a track suit.

Boyd put-up his numbers with three different QB's, three different OC's, and when everyone in the stadium knew that he was Pitt's primary (and sometimes their only) target. That's gotta count for something.

 

[PhPanther1]

-In the first 3 rounds. I wouldnt draft Boyd in the first 3 rounds. That is where he is projected to go. I'd take a flyer on him later on in the draft.

You don't work for an NFL team, so it doesn't matter where you would draft him. He'll be off the board very soon as a 2nd round pick and you will be wrong.

 

[BFo8]

Don't see where all this is coming from. Boyd's future in the NFL is pretty much of a #2 guy, a slot receiver. Those guys don't go real high in the draft. But he will almost certainly go mid to late 2nd round and make some nice money. I'd be surprised if he doesn't have at least a 4-5 year or more solid career.

From what I've seen what he lacks in breakaway speed he makes up for in really good ball skills. I wish him nothing but the best.