He is in the portal. Would be a nice addition for Pitt. Hopefully Capel is going after him.
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Pending out going transfers the front court is set with Fede, Hinson and the Twins.
Pending out going transfers the front court is set with Fede, Hinson and the Twins.
Samuel is better than Fede and the twins. Def would get 25 min between the 4 and 5. Has the ability to shoot the 3 as well.
He can't shoot the three. Three point attempts have declined all four years. Only attempted 15 this year.
All, I need to keep banging the drum for Fede's offensive game all off-season. Shot 70% at the rim. Samuel wasn't bad at 61%, but Fede has way more upside and he needs the minutes. Samuel would also only be a marginal upgrade rebounding and Fede is still the better offensive rebounder.
I like Fede, but he's not going to be an all-American.
We have plenty of room for both him and Samuel on the team, and overall the stats show Samuel is a better player IMO.
I realize there are concerns about Hinson at the 3, but if they can bring in a quality 4, they should do it and figure the rest out later. We might lose some D at the 3, but the rebounding would/should improve if this were to happen.
I will 100% take Fede and the upside for two more years over Samuel for one year.
Well of course anyone would take 2 years of one guy vs 1 of another. Unless the guy with one was substantially better.
Pitt next year would be a better team with Samuel over Fede. But let's have both..
Pitt next year would be a better team with Samuel over Fede. But let's have both..
One at a time you mean. Fede played 25 minutes per game last season, and I don't see him giving us much more than that next year.
Not to mention the other 40 minutes that need to be filled at the 4, ideally with most of them played by someone who isn't a massive defensive liability.
No one is suggesting that Capel discard Fede to bring in Samuel for 1 year. We can have both next year and would be a better overall team for it, both on game day and during practice when Fede would actually have someone who can play inside at an ACC level to go against.
What am I missing here?
A debate we will have all off-season is whether Hinson should move to the 3. We need a better rebounder at the 4. The question mark becomes can he guard the 3 on defense. He needs to get quicker to do that. But if we got a 4 in the portal who was quicker and more athletic, they could guard the 3.
They were last year, hence the "not a massive defensive liability" portion of my comment. Also, not all of the minutes were filled by him, and he can't play the 5.
Here's one way this could work out next year with minutes per game:
3: Hinson (5- 10), Jorge/Carrington/Jeffress/Barnes (30 - 35)
4: Hinson (15 - 20), Samuel (5 - 10), Twins (10 - 15)
5: Fede (20 - 25), Samuel (15-20)
Regardless of what you think about my minutes breakdown, Samuel is arguably better at the 4 or 5 than anyone we have returning and certainly better than any backups we would expect to have for either position.
Why would you not want him on the team for next year?
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Based on last year, he can't guard either position at an acceptable level. That said, I think he needs to give us some minutes at the 3 based on what the roster currently looks like and for his own personal benefit if he wants to play professionally. If we get a good 3 in the portal, then that's less of an issue for us.
We need people who can get stops in both positions at times, which probably means Hinson is on the bench in those situations unless he really improves in that area in the offseason.
Hinson will not be on the bench for more than 5-8 minutes next season unless he has fouls. He's instant offense.
it boggles my mind how any pitt fan can see how bad we were at rebounding, how many 2nd (and 3rd and 4th) chance points we gave up and especially how many points we gave up in the paint, especially late in the year, and think we are good with our front court.
i almost feel like you guys quit watching after valentines day, just quit watching pitt.. that's the only explanation i have
i almost feel like you guys quit watching after valentines day, just quit watching pitt.. that's the only explanation i have
Agreed, I was thinking about end-game situations (or similar) where we don't need offense when I said he'd be sitting at times.
That would be one of the few logical explanations that comes to my mind as well. I don't understand the pushback on getting a P6 starter on the team to fill what seems to me to be an obvious gap, and the justifications for why we should pass seem super flimsy.
Fede isn't going to bang with the likes of Bacot for 30+ minutes. He can't really do it for 20+ for an entire season from what I can tell, which is part of the reason for the end of season decline you mentioned. It's in the team's best interest as well as his own to get him (and GDG) some help.
Fede has already banged with the likes of Bacot for 34 and 29 minutes, respectively, and more than held his own. Fede and Guillermo are more than capable of giving 40 winning minutes a game at the 5, and they proved that this year.
Nobody’s arguing that there wouldn’t be value in adding a third center who’s content in that role when we get into serious foul trouble or run into some injuries. But it would take a very special player to supplant those two, and it’s a tough task to recruit a special player when you have two very solid centers already embedded on the roster.
Hinson was solid defensively at the 4 this year (positive DBPM, 20th in the ACC in defensive win shares), and he’d be exposed more at the 3. He fouls a lot, so you need someone else who’s capable of giving minutes there because there will be games where he only plays 20 minutes. I think the hope is that Jeffress and/or Jorge can be that guy. But again, like above, it’s a really tough ask to convince a starter-level 4 (which Samuel is) to come in and play a less-than-starter role. They can try! They probably just won’t succeed.
I don't think we have 2 very solid centers on the roster, nor do I think a player would have to be very special to supplant any center we have let alone be the backup to Fede. I think we have 1 solid center at this time, and I hope one of the other candidates turns into at least that sometime before Fede leaves but don't think that will happen next year.
I also think our definitions of "solid" on defense are different as well. There's no question in my mind that Samuel is a better defender at the 4 than Hinson. That's not to say that Hinson (or Fede) should be benched if Samuel were to come in, but I'd personally rather see Capel have to figure out how to allocate 80+ minutes between 3 proven ACC-level starters that each have their own complementary strengths than rely on hope that the light goes on for Jeffress or that GDG's offseason training has really paid off.
I'd say we won as much as we did in spite of our interior play overall, not because of it, especially late in the season. And if we had better players at the 4 and 5 (which could just mean more rested ones later in the season), maybe we'll win even more than last year!
All that said, I agree that Samuel is probably looking for something else than to play around 25 minutes a game split across 2 interior positions as a 6th man, and wouldn't have written what I did if you or others just said this is a waste of time to talk about because he's not going to come here for that role. I just don't see how anyone would be against him coming here in the event he did want to play at Pitt or feels like it's not possible to improve the team by adding someone proven to be solid (or better) in that role.
Why are we even talking about Samuel....
Is he even remotely connected to Pitt now. I know he was recruited by us before but I've heard nothing recently unless I missed something.
Fair question, but it's still very interesting to me that anyone thinks we're in such good shape at the 4 and 5 that we would turn away someone like Samuel if he were interested.
I mean you'd take a better player at a position usually. You'd also maybe risk losing a player or two because of it.
I really don't think the coaches are very interested in recruiting over our 5s. Just a feeling
we didnt have enough bodies to have practices at the end of the year. if Federiko got into foul trouble or when he got hurt, we had to play Guillermo at C. guys, we have room, more than enough room and minutes for a quality big man to come in and help.
We have Fede & the twins, we better not call Hunter Dickinson, cause we’re LOADED down low!
You laugh, but people are saying exactly that in the thread about him.
Dickinson Portaling
Surprise transfer from UM. We were a finalist out of high school. Any indication where he might go? Highest bidder type?
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1 person. And yeah they were wrong.Dickinson Portaling
Surprise transfer from UM. We were a finalist out of high school. Any indication where he might go? Highest bidder type?
Fede’s work ethic and play turned me into a big fan this year. But Samuel is a superior player. They played the same amount of minutes. Both protect the rim (Fede slightly better). They both shoot a high % Fede only higher because he can only make dunks and layups.
Samuel is a a superior player on O. Much better scorer. Like Fede he finishes around the rim, but he also has a post game, mid range game and a solid J. He can handle, pass and is much more versatile. If he wants to come here you take him.
Most schools lie in recruiting so tell him Hinson is moving to the 3 (he’s not unless he losses 25 pounds, maybe a few minutes a game). You could split PT at the 5 with Samuel/Fede, get him some time at the 4 when Hinson sits for about 8 minutes.
Probably not coming here but you take him if he has interest. Never can have enough depth and talent. PPl say but it’s just 1 year, well college BB is now year to year with the crazy amount of roster movement.
Samuel is a a superior player on O. Much better scorer. Like Fede he finishes around the rim, but he also has a post game, mid range game and a solid J. He can handle, pass and is much more versatile. If he wants to come here you take him.
Most schools lie in recruiting so tell him Hinson is moving to the 3 (he’s not unless he losses 25 pounds, maybe a few minutes a game). You could split PT at the 5 with Samuel/Fede, get him some time at the 4 when Hinson sits for about 8 minutes.
Probably not coming here but you take him if he has interest. Never can have enough depth and talent. PPl say but it’s just 1 year, well college BB is now year to year with the crazy amount of roster movement.
