@Coach_Rick57: Per source, Pitt transfer 6'10 Joseph Uchebo has committed/officially attending Charlotte
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Big Joe at least put out the effort. Can't say the same for Randall.
I wish Big Joe luck in Charlotte.
I wish Big Joe luck in Charlotte.
That's funny, I was told Uchebo could no longer play basketball and not even a D2 would take him.
As I've said probably a million times, the bottom line with Uchebo is this:
His knee injury prevented him from playing at the high major level and honestly I think Charlotte may be too high a level for him but at the minor D1 level, there are 150 schools who would salivate over taking him and he'd start and play major minutes. For the past couple years, I cant believe how wrong so many "trusted" posters were about him. A medical hardship was NEVER in consideration for him for the simple reason that HE CAN STILL PLAY, just not at the high major level.
Admittedly, I don't read the premium board, but at least on the free board, there were only 1-2 "trusted posters" who wrote that about him, then another 50 who parroted it as fact.
I have been steadfast in my opinion that Pitt should not run anyone off the team. I think Dixon is more on that side of the fence than many like to admit.
Dixon may have "cut" Uchebo last season if we needed a spot, but in no way, would Pitt, nor Uchebo have asked for a medical hardship. The guy can still play D1 basketball, just not at the ACC level.
A medical hardship is not in play because Joe has decided he wants to keep playing. That is his decision. He could have decided to take the medical hardship if he had wanted to. Good luck to him.
Yea, that makes a lot of sense. The NCAA was going to allow Pitt to place Uchebo on medical hardship and use his scholarship on somebody else because his pre-existing knee injury caused him to be a mid-major player and not an ACC-level player. OK.
Once again you misstate both your position and others positions so that you can pretend you got it right all along. Your contention was that at a lower level school like Charlotte Uchebo would play 30 plus minutes per game. Others, myself included, have argued that with his knees there is no way Uchebo would be anything more than a bit player no matter where he goes because of his physical limitations. For you to declare now that you got it all right and others got it all wrong you must somehow already know that Uchebo is going to play every game this season AND that he's going to play 30 plus minutes per game. And if you already know how things are going to play out in the upcoming college basketball season to that degree you are wasting your talent posting on a message board.
You guys are funny. The NCAA was going to grant a medical hardship waiver for a kid who CAN STILL PLAY DIVISION 1 BASKETBALL. Sure.
You don't understand how it works. If Joe decided he wanted to stay at Pitt and get a free education without playing basketball he could do that. The NCAA doesn't get involved with that unless the player decided he did not want that and still wanted to play. Joe has medical issues which qualify him for the hardship. Joe then decides what he wants to do.
Do you think Austin Wallace could continue to play basketball if he wanted to?
You don't have to be crippled to qualify. You need to not play more than 20% of games and have a severe injury which limits your ability to play. microfracture surgery more than qualifies, if Joe wanted to finish his education at Pitt without basketball.
Austin isn't a good example, because he was in pretty bad shape with his knee. He played a game or two at the Pro-Am a couple of years later and his limping was really, really bad. (For what it's worth, had he not destroyed the knee, he might have been something -- there were some skills there and good size.)
I think John Finnegan is a better example. Decent recruit under Willard. Got injured and didn't play. Showed up a year or two later and played some, but ultimately ended up with a medical hardship.
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Wallace was a scholarship manager, not a medical hardship qualifier like some think.
Here's a hypothetical question:
Durand Johnson tore his ACL and as everyone knows, once you tear your ACL, you may not ever get back to the player you once were and if you do, it could take a few years. So, just like Uchebo's injury took away some of his ability, the ACL injury took some of DJ's. Could Durand have been granted a medical hardship waiver if he told Jamie that though his knee is heeling, he didnt see a future in basketball and was retiring to focus on his education? Would the NCAA have granted that?
yes, in all likelihood..because he also qualifies since he suffered an injury and didn't play 20% of the games.
Are you catching onto yet?
THE NCAA isn't trying to kick kids off of scholarship because they no longer can compete. It's the entire purpose of the hardship waiver to allow kids to finish their education on scholarship.
"NOTES: Pitt forward Austin Wallace is going through the paperwork for a medical hardship because of a serious knee injury he suffered last December practicing before Pitt’s game against Washington. The move will free up a scholarship for Pitt, yet allow Wallace to retain a scholarship to attend the school."
"According to a source, Austin Wallace officially has been given his medical hardship"
You're really silly. 10 seconds of googling would maybe make you a bit more informed before spouting off.
If you're saying the NCAA will grant anyone a waiver because their injury causes them to lose even the smallest amount of "game," I cant say I believe it as that would be totally stupid but it is the NCAA so I guess I'd believe anything.
Literally. Pitt could submit the waiver to the NCAA with physician sign off that Joe or Durand can no longer play, like they did with Austin...and it will likely be approved..because
why would the NCAA deny it? They deny medical REDSHIRT to gain an extra year of eligiblity. the Hardship waiver is entirely different. You can get it for mental, substance problems, or even pregnancy with physician sign off.
Now, stop arguing, you're wrong again.
I am certain Austin Wallace got a medical hardship. However, A-Wall also got a job in the athletic department because he's a smart kid and a responsible kid who was very well respected.
OK, so in theory, Chris Jones can sprain his ankle pretty bad and the doctor can write up:
"Jones's ankle was sprained so badly that it has not recovered to the point where he can be a consistent ACC-level guard, we feel he can now only compete at the Atlantic 10 level."
Would that get approved? Honestly.
You keep putting in the wrong context because like most things, you try to frame things to fit your ill-founded preformed opinions.
"Jones's ankle was sprained so badly that it has not recovered to the point where he can continue to play basketball".
And yes.
No, my question was if Jones sprained his ankle so badly that it affected his mobility to the point where he could only play at the A10 level or CUSA level, would he get a hardship for that? In my example, I didnt say Jones could no longer play basketball. I'm asking would he get a hardship if his injury made his "game" a little bit worse?
I think he is saying if Jones opted to go the way of a MH, it would never be framed that way. If he took the hardship, how would one ever know what level he could play at, if any? No school or player, if they are in agreement of going the MH route, would ever try to qualify what "conference equivalent ability" the guys injury would allow him to play at. BTW, there is no difference between conferences in the eyes of the NCAA IMO. They would never see a doctors report and deny it saying, I think this X-ray looks like you can still play at Monmouth, so tough bananas. That would be absurd. Again IMO, Big Joe CHOSE not to go that route, but I am pretty certain if he had, he would have been approved, because he and Pitt would not have submitted a request that said, "I am really hurt, but could probably play some minutes at Charlotte if I had to". It would just show he had microfracture surgery, and is in considerable pain, therefore unable to play.
OK, but clearly, Uchebo can still play D1 basketball. CUSA isnt the ACC but Charlotte isn't paying for his tuition down there this year as some sort of charity. They expect him to help their team in some way. So, if Pitt tried to get a medical hardship by getting a doctor to sign something saying that he had a career-ending knee injury, that would have been less than truthful to be sure.
Not dishonest at all. Players choose to stop playing in every sport at all levels when they determine they are too injured to continue. Could they continue to play and risk further injury? sure, some do. But that is an individual choice. Not dishonest at all.
Just think about your premise and you may see how impossible it is. You are suggesting that a doctor would somehow be able to discern a players knee is too hurt for the ACC, but not the Colonial League. Think about that. next, he files a report with the NCAA a saying as much, and the NCAAA rejects the medical hardship telling the kid, we know you cannot play at the school you are at, and even though you only have a year left and have made friends there and may even like your academic program of study, we are going to force you to transfer to a much lesser school and finish up there. Or maybe you think that the kid should be forced to stay on the team, though he won't practice or play, maybe not even attend the games. Are you perhaps suggesting that the team should just be a man short? Should he be kicked out of school? I don't see why you would suggest any of those options when the MH system is available, It is a win win for all.
Joe could have both legs amputated, and if he decided to keep trying to play he won't get a waiver, since the school wouldn't apply for it.
Level of play has nothing to do with it. Get it, yet?
Level of play has nothing to do with it. Get it, yet?
You are all missing the point. The "waiver" would not benefit a guy like Uchebo because remember, a school like Pitt could still live up to its word and keep him on scholarship even if it meant him counting as 1 of the 13 scholarships. The "waiver" helps Pitt, not necessarily Uchebo because if the NCAA grants it, Pitt can keep him on without having the scholarship count towards the total. This is what its always about: the program being able to use a scholarship.
If Pitt applied for a hardship and lost, Pitt could have still kept Uchebo on scholarship even if his knee injury was career-ending, which it obviously isn't as Charlotte has become the 2nd program to provide a scholarship for him to use his knees to play basketball.
I mean the fact is pretty simple. Uchebo, absolutely does not have a career-ending knee injury. I mean its baffling to me that some people even question that. Charlotte basketball is not a charity. So, if a doctor wrote something up telling the NCAA that his knee has ended his career, I'm sorry but that would be less than truthful and if the NCAA granted that, Pitt would be the big winner, not necessarily Uchebo because they could pay his way AND use his scholarship.
Luckily it worked out for all parties so we didnt have to put any doctors in precarious positions.
I'm pretty sure it's you who is missing the point. Had Pitt and Uchebo appealed to the NCAA for a MH, his knee injury would be career ending, as far as the NCAA is concerned. The fact that Joe wants to give it one more go was his decision. You do not know yet if his knee injury is career ending or not yet. Let's see how many games he plays this season. We all had some expectations based on his early play overseas and at the Pro-Am, but we know how it turned out. That type of injury is serious regardless of level. Even if he went to D3 I wonder how the knee would hold up to the rigors of daily practice and 30 or so games. There are NFL players who are recommended to retire after a serious injury, but they keep on playing anyway. If they hung up their cleats, it would have been career ending, but if they choose to try one more time to play, in the short term, it wasn't. That's the difference.
I dont need to foresee the future. Uchebo can blow his knee out for good on Practice 1 and I'll still be right. His knee injury, right now, is not career-ending. Could it cause some major injury that could end his career? Yea, but it also might not.
And that's the call he and Charlotte made. Had he decided it wasn't worth the risk, because it probably isn't, it would have been career ending. I believe now we are basically saying the same thing.
