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If Canada leaves that is a huge huge huge loss period. No other way to slice it. And if someone says we will just replace him no big deal then they are NUTSO
its a good thing when "big" schools are looking at our assistants. wish more of our assistants were getting looked at. that means things are going right...
It would be a loss but what can you do? Give him a raise but if he wants to leave for a bigger job, so be it. It makes sense for him given that an OC job at a school like LSU is a quick way to land a decent to good P5 job where being an assistant at Pitt probably leads to a G5 or lower P5 job. If he does go, we can hope that the rest of our offensive staff spent the past year learning Canada's offensive schemes. I'd think there would be a decent chunk of transferred knowledge.
That's BS. We need to show potential recruits that we are willing to do what it takes to keep talented staff. Barnes needs to pony up. Letting Canada go would be a failure but after the Stallings hire it's not surprising.
It takes two to tango (or, to agree to an employment contract)
I understand that but Pitt cannot be seen as a stepping stone anymore to "better" gigs. Especially since this is a lateral move. It would be 1 thing if Canada was going to be a head coach but he is not at LSU. It will be the same position. Barnes needs to do what it takes to keep him. It would be a travesty if he leaves for a lateral move after only 1 year.
A coordinator position at LSU is currently viewed as a climb up the coaching ladder from a coordinator position at Pitt by everyone in college football. Everyone. It is very possible that no amount of money might keep him at Pitt.
Let's hope he doesn't go, but we also have to understand the current reality of the pecking order that Pitt finds itself in. This is no way on Barnes if he leaves, unless we find out definitively that Pitt refused to at least be financially competitive with any counter offer.
Let's hope he doesn't go, but we also have to understand the current reality of the pecking order that Pitt finds itself in. This is no way on Barnes if he leaves, unless we find out definitively that Pitt refused to at least be financially competitive with any counter offer.
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Yep. Kiffin to FAU means Canada to LSU. I think Pitt should match the $1.3-$1.5 million that LSU will offer but I can't see Canada choosing Pitt over LSU for the same money. You can believe what you want but LSU is a blue blood or close to it. That's as big as it gets for a coordinator.
Browne who just visited Pitt, was recruited to USC by Ogeron. Seems likely if Canada or another favorable OC ends up there, Browne might also.
Talking with a USC fan this morning, he asked how good our offensive line is, as Browne is a prototypical dropback passer. I noted we had the lowest sacks in FBS this year with 9, I believe that is correct. Told him though we lose 2 olineman to graduation this year, we should still be well stocked for next year. He said that should appeal highly to Browne for his style of play.
He's definitely interested in the job, LSU could offer huge money. We'll see how much our admin is willing to pay an OC. Maybe he's just trying to get a raise from PITT?
There is always the issue of working for your boss.
He surely likes working for Narduzzi, and while i like orgeron......i dont know what it would be like to work for the guy
He surely likes working for Narduzzi, and while i like orgeron......i dont know what it would be like to work for the guy
-Of Course LSU can offer the money when their head Coach makes 3.5 million, peanut money for a school with a recent title. Harbaugh makes 9 million a year at Michigan. With how cheap LSU went with paying and getting their head coach, they should offer 2 million for the best oc they can get.
You realize that Pitt could *TRIPLE* Canada's salary and it would still be less than LSU is paying their DC, Dave Aranda?
If we lose Canada, it doesn't mean Pitt didn't "pony up".
You disagree that LSU is clearly a level above us? Their DC is the highest paid assistant in the country.
Hold on. Steel! what about loyalty?!?! Your word?!?!....Somethings more important than money?!?! Promises?!?!
What they are paying Orgeron is essentially inconsequential. When Les Miles was making $1M more and #7 in salary they still had the highest paid coordinators. LSU is in a group of 5-10 schools who will set the dollar for assistants when they see fit and their HC salary won't matter. The only thing that will matter is success. If they are successful they will get yearly raises and budget for the best assistant pay in the country. If they aren't, they will fire the whole staff and pay the buyouts as necessary.
Then Pitt has to beat their offer and make him assistant head coach. We need to at least try, instead of allowed another good coach to walk away when we have him.
-If they double or triple his salary then let him walk. I wouldnt pay Matt Canada 1.5 Million or whatever they plan on offering for. For a Coach that has not shown stability to recruit, No, simply No. $1 Million Tops.
I'd assume (from what little I know) that there are a lot of similarities between Orgeron and Narduzzi. Both seem to be gruff, loyal, no nonsense type guys who their players would run through walls for. So maybe there is a good fit there for Canada. But with HCPN at the helm, I'm not too worried. He and the rest of the coaching staff saw what worked this year....its not like they didn't absorb a great deal of that.
If they can find the money in the budget to do that, I agree. It would also make a huge statement in the industry. I have no way of knowing whether the new ACC money can cover what they'd need to find.
And there isn't any evidence that Pitt isn't trying everything in their power to do just that.
Should that fall short...I think you take that exact package and offer it to Tim Beck at OSU.
Who cares about being AHC? LSU can offer him the same thing. It is a title. The whole staff could be AHC. Even if we can offer more money, we still aren't LSU. I'm not sure why our fanbase can't grasp that. We are lower on the totem pole. That doesn't mean we can't be a successful program and even climb, but we aren't ever going to sit at the top. We don't and never will have those kind of resources and prestige.
They have the money. It's just a matter of prioritizing athletics spendng. Football is the key to having increased revenue for future athletic priorities. Increased attendance as a result of teams actually being good will result in several million dollars more in revenue per year just from ticket sales alone. This isn't like building a stadium where the cost could be a big problem for decades. It's paying a really good coach some more money with the chances of big returns highly outweighing the risks.
Clearly Pitt needs to make him associate head coach and coach in waiting for when Narduzzi becomes Purduzzi. 
And unicorns ride rainbows out of the top of the Cathedral. It's just that simple.
I agree that it isn't as ridiculously stupid as the stadium talk, but it is still a lot of money to magically appear in a budget that is probably already accounted for.
What you don't get is LSU offers the money AND a position in college football we CANNOT MATCH. Even if the money is the same, we aren't LSU.
We only spent like $15.99 for our basketball coach so there should be a couple bucks left over.
Nope. It's Pitt and I totally expect them to screw this up.... Which is why we are lower in the pecking order in the first place. They need to stop thinking like losers.
Then we offer more, or else just stop playing football. Lock him up and enjoy the ride.
Yeah. Damn Pitt. Not spending money like a big land grant SEC school that draws 110,000 a game.
Not quite true. in order to get Dixon off our hands, we also went the Nutting way and offered to pay his salary at TCU for his first 5 years.
LSU may offer him over $1.5M. Honestly, few schools would match or exceed that.
If he leaves, offer Tim Beck and whoever else is on Narduzzi's short list. Or, promote Salem.
Pitt will be fine. Just DO NOT hire another OC that runs the West Coast Offense like Chaney. That hire was a bad one.
If he leaves, offer Tim Beck and whoever else is on Narduzzi's short list. Or, promote Salem.
Pitt will be fine. Just DO NOT hire another OC that runs the West Coast Offense like Chaney. That hire was a bad one.
-You see Mark Dantonio or Chris Peterson getting bought out for a higher program with resources? Nope. They are content with where they are. You need to find the right head Coach for the right fit, then work down the assistant chain. All those powerhouse schools have been after Peterson for years and he gave all of the them the middle finger with their blank check offers.
-Every person is different. You couldnt pay me top dollar to live in the Southeast. I hate everything about it down there and wouldnt even visit down there let alone live there.
You got it wrong, it's now OwlduzziClearly Pitt needs to make him associate head coach and coach in waiting for when Narduzzi becomes Purduzzi.
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