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** Hey … I don’t know why all the rest of you are bellyaching so much. After all, it’s ME whose “job” it is to write these post-game “dribbles.” Dammit, it sure has been a hell of a lot tougher as of late.

** And this particular game sure was tough. I don’t think anyone expected us to win. UNC is very good. But most folks can take some satisfaction when we compete. But we didn’t look ready nor able to compete today.

** Like everyone else, I want to see our Panthers perform at the very high level at which it was great to experience for most of this millennium. Yet within that, I get also get significant satisfaction out of watching a team perform at the best of their ability, whatever that is. It’s troubling to me to watch the Panthers even failing to meet that mark.

** A little more troubling to me, however, is my concern that there’s some problems with this team beyond substandard play on the court. I don’t know if Dixon ever gave a reason for not starting Mike Young. Maybe he was just trying to shake things up. Or maybe he was trying to motivate Mike.

** One of my fellow posters disagreed with my characterization that Jamel Artis was “floating” during the Miami game, as he was at the game and saw a player who was working hard to perform. I respect that opinion, but it’s hard not to think that something just isn’t right with Jamel either, beyond just having a pair of really bad games.

** It appears that Dixon is working hard to find answers. If you have a different perspective, maybe you might term what Dixon is doing is scrambling for answers.

** This could be one of the biggest problems Dixon is facing at the moment. Dixon’s success has been built on routine and consistency, practice and perfection. He is a creature of habit. Mixing things up has never been his thing. Regardless, the needed connection has not been made.

** As message board posters, we’ve all made dozens of suggestions as to exactly what the problems are, or what must be done to correct them. While I too have engaged in this routine, but I’ll readily confess that few, if any, of these answers seem to be the one that will turn our fortunes.

** With this, I do also know one thing. The whole story of this season has not yet been written.

** I will offer no disagreements with anyone who has been watching the team’s play of late and is convinced that we are not an NCAA Tournament caliber team.

** But the other reality is that if this team can find the way back to playing where it is capable, we will indeed make the Tournament. Four wins in the final six games will do it.

** I’m certainly not optimistic this will be the outcome. But I’m hopeful. Especially because I’m growing weary of posting after losses!!
 
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The scary thing about the state of the program right now...beyond just the mediocre play...is fan indifference. This is the first year in a decade that I seem to forget that the team is even playing. The Pete has effectively turned into a neutral court. Talent upgrade going forward is critical...we also need a bit of an upgrade in the charisma/excitement category as well.
 
The scary thing about the state of the program right now...beyond just the mediocre play...is fan indifference. This is the first year in a decade that I seem to forget that the team is even playing. The Pete has effectively turned into a neutral court. Talent upgrade going forward is critical...we also need a bit of an upgrade in the charisma/excitement category as well.
Fan excitement is directly related to team play, and there have been some duds recently at the Pete.
 
Don't know if you heard the post game show, but Jamie said something like "there were a couple of reasons why we changed up the lineup, yeah a couple of reasons. We just are not doing the things we need to do."

Sounded very tired and frustrated with the team. Thought there was a lot to look at but there is no time to dwell on that loss and the team has to get ready for Wake Forest.

If I got the theme of his comments wrong someone chime in.
 
Don't know if you heard the post game show, but Jamie said something like "there were a couple of reasons why we changed up the lineup, yeah a couple of reasons. We just are not doing the things we need to do."

Sounded very tired and frustrated with the team. Thought there was a lot to look at but there is no time to dwell on that loss and the team has to get ready for Wake Forest.

If I got the theme of his comments wrong someone chime in.

Basically, this is what I heard as well
 
This happened to Izzo when Draymond a Green played as a sophomore at MSU. The upperclassman had tuned him out and we're getting into drugs and other things. Basically they stopped respecting him and took basketball for granted. Then Izzo went back to looking for competitive hard nosed players after he got rid of the problem players.

The problem here is I believe isn't that the players are all of a sudden lazy with a few exceptions on defense but I believe they are a fragile emotional team to begin with. That is their makeup. They are not naturally fighters. With that being said, I don't believe they are capable of the constant in your face intense style of Dixon. I believe that has contributed to the issues of Artis as much as anything. He is playing with zero confidence.

I also don't think we have a team with a high IQ which leads to Dixon over coaching even more. I think a lot of the issues are Dixon is bring unpredictable with them and their playing time and is burning them out with his over coaching. And again leading to lower confidence and too much hesitancy with decision making.
 
There's a message he sent to the team by not starting MYoung. He was yanked from the Miami game after two bad defensive lapses . Play D or sit (or maybe he's not going to class) . He said there was something that needed addressed . I didn't see this game out golfing ( by all accounts thank goodness ) ,but it's amazing when you play people a little bigger ,a little quicker ,and a little ( or a lot ) more talented you don't look so good. Pitt looks fine against teams with less talent but they can't compete against quality teams with this roster. Only one solution for that ,get them next year.
 
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It was interesting not just not starting Young, but what, Young was the 3rd guy that subbed in? Jamie was definitely sending a message.

Unfortunately it was not heard. Again, wondering if maybe this team and program would be best served by some guys moving on.
 
There's a message he sent to the team by not starting MYoung. He was yanked from the Miami game after two bad defensive lapses . Play D or sit (or maybe he's not going to class) . He said there was something that needed addressed . I didn't see this game out golfing ( by all accounts thank goodness ) ,but it's amazing when you play people a little bigger ,a little quicker ,and a little ( or a lot ) more talented you don't look so good. Pitt looks fine against teams with less talent but they can't compete against quality teams with this roster. Only one solution for that ,get them next year.
There's a message he sent to the team by not starting MYoung. He was yanked from the Miami game after two bad defensive lapses . Play D or sit (or maybe he's not going to class) . He said there was something that needed addressed . I didn't see this game out golfing ( by all accounts thank goodness ) ,but it's amazing when you play people a little bigger ,a little quicker ,and a little ( or a lot ) more talented you don't look so good. Pitt looks fine against teams with less talent but they can't compete against quality teams with this roster. Only one solution for that ,get them next year.
Isn't this essentially the same UNC team that Pitt handled easily last year, though? I know that it is difficult to compare one game to another, but the players are mostly the same for both teams.
 
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It was interesting not just not starting Young, but what, Young was the 3rd guy that subbed in? Jamie was definitely sending a message.

Unfortunately it was not heard. Again, wondering if maybe this team and program would be best served by some guys moving on.

I'm not wondering. I think it's best for all if the juniors join the seniors and move on. I'm not up for another year like this one and the last. I'd rather watch them lose with youth and fresh faces.
 
It was interesting not just not starting Young, but what, Young was the 3rd guy that subbed in? Jamie was definitely sending a message.

Unfortunately it was not heard. Again, wondering if maybe this team and program would be best served by some guys moving on.
Huggy bear purged his program a few years ago and it worked, might not be a bad idea with a few in this crew
 
--Pitt has gone from taking a high percentage of good shots earlier in the year, to taking a low percentage of good shots. I'm wondering if all the emphasis on defense has taken away from the good offense that the team is capable of playing...

--Young took a lot of difficult, contested shots today.

--The turn-overs are maddening.

--Dixon can't win right now with respect to James Robinson. Play him and the warts are all plain to see; take him out and there's no rhyme or reason to the offense.

--What I briefly found encouraging today -- in a bizarro kind of way - is that Pitt couldn't have played much worse, yet they still had the game down to 7 points a couple of times. I was astounded that they were that close given all the turnovers and bad shots and the thought briefly occur to me that if they would just start passing the ball better and getting some better shots.... Oh well.

Go Pitt.
 
--Pitt has gone from taking a high percentage of good shots earlier in the year, to taking a low percentage of good shots. I'm wondering if all the emphasis on defense has taken away from the good offense that the team is capable of playing...

--Young took a lot of difficult, contested shots today.

--The turn-overs are maddening.

--Dixon can't win right now with respect to James Robinson. Play him and the warts are all plain to see; take him out and there's no rhyme or reason to the offense.

--What I briefly found encouraging today -- in a bizarro kind of way - is that Pitt couldn't have played much worse, yet they still had the game down to 7 points a couple of times. I was astounded that they were that close given all the turnovers and bad shots and the thought briefly occur to me that if they would just start passing the ball better and getting some better shots.... Oh well.

Go Pitt.
I don't think those players are spending any time thinking about defense...
It's fairly evident.
 
Haven't you learned your lesson from the peaking/Peking in March/May debacle??
I will go one further, I didn't even know there was a lesson to be had. It appears the lesson may have been to stop licking something, but mixed company prevents me from uttering such crude discourse.
 
--Pitt has gone from taking a high percentage of good shots earlier in the year, to taking a low percentage of good shots. I'm wondering if all the emphasis on defense has taken away from the good offense that the team is capable of playing...

--Young took a lot of difficult, contested shots today.

--The turn-overs are maddening.

--Dixon can't win right now with respect to James Robinson. Play him and the warts are all plain to see; take him out and there's no rhyme or reason to the offense.

--What I briefly found encouraging today -- in a bizarro kind of way - is that Pitt couldn't have played much worse, yet they still had the game down to 7 points a couple of times. I was astounded that they were that close given all the turnovers and bad shots and the thought briefly occur to me that if they would just start passing the ball better and getting some better shots.... Oh well.

Go Pitt.
I think it's as simple as the quality of the opponents from earlier in the year til now as far as good shots to bad, # of turnovers,......
 
** Hey … I don’t know why all the rest of you are bellyaching so much. After all, it’s ME whose “job” it is to write these post-game “dribbles.” Dammit, it sure has been a hell of a lot tougher as of late.

** And this particular game sure was tough. I don’t think anyone expected us to win. UNC is very good. But most folks can take some satisfaction when we compete. But we didn’t look ready nor able to compete today.

** Like everyone else, I want to see our Panthers perform at the very high level at which it was great to experience for most of this millennium. Yet within that, I get also get significant satisfaction out of watching a team perform at the best of their ability, whatever that is. It’s troubling to me to watch the Panthers even failing to meet that mark.

** A little more troubling to me, however, is my concern that there’s some problems with this team beyond substandard play on the court. I don’t know if Dixon ever gave a reason for not starting Mike Young. Maybe he was just trying to shake things up. Or maybe he was trying to motivate Mike.

** One of my fellow posters disagreed with my characterization that Jamel Artis was “floating” during the Miami game, as he was at the game and saw a player who was working hard to perform. I respect that opinion, but it’s hard not to think that something just isn’t right with Jamel either, beyond just having a pair of really bad games.

** It appears that Dixon is working hard to find answers. If you have a different perspective, maybe you might term what Dixon is doing is scrambling for answers.

** This could be one of the biggest problems Dixon is facing at the moment. Dixon’s success has been built on routine and consistency, practice and perfection. He is a creature of habit. Mixing things up has never been his thing. Regardless, the needed connection has not been made.

** As message board posters, we’ve all made dozens of suggestions as to exactly what the problems are, or what must be done to correct them. While I too have engaged in this routine, but I’ll readily confess that few, if any, of these answers seem to be the one that will turn our fortunes.

** With this, I do also know one thing. The whole story of this season has not yet been written.

** I will offer no disagreements with anyone who has been watching the team’s play of late and is convinced that we are not an NCAA Tournament caliber team.

** But the other reality is that if this team can find the way back to playing where it is capable, we will indeed make the Tournament. Four wins in the final six games will do it.

** I’m certainly not optimistic this will be the outcome. But I’m hopeful. Especially because I’m growing weary of posting after losses!!


I think people are overrating this game a little bit, mainly because of the lopsided score, but if you had told me this score before the season started, it wouldn't have shocked me. This road trip still could have been a pretty massive success had we beaten Miami, in a game that was right there. This game I'll forget about quickly, but the Miami loss still stings.

I guess my other point is that even if things were better today, if pitt played better, we still might get run off the court by UNC. When UNC defends, they are one of the 2-3 best teams in the country today. So, the "falling apart" posts are hard to judge when you are playing UNC. We lose to wake, then go ahead, post "falling apart" posts till your fingers are sore.

So, we come back to the Pete, in desperate need of a win. Similar to the va tech game, we cannot afford a loss to wake. We responded in the va tech game. I'm hopeful we will again, or the wheels will truly fall off.

There clearly are structural problems though if Jamie for the second year in a row clearly does not like his team. You could tell at the end of last season Jamie really disliked that group's effort. I don't think we are there yet with this team, but as Artis and young continue to "float", drift, sulk, pout, point...we will continue to lose.

Our two best players are our two worst leaders. Thats a major problem. We also have 33% of our roster as marginally talented DI transfers. You can get away with that if young and Artis are competing, but frankly, they are not.

Tuesday looms large for this team and this coach...
 
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DT you said you were hopeful? I don't see how based on what we all have been watching but hey, more power to you.
 
DT you said you were hopeful? I don't see how based on what we all have been watching but hey, more power to you.

We were a tip in from a road win at Miami. If we had gotten that one, pitt would have had the two best road wins in the league bar none. But, we didn't.

UNC really defended well today, if they do that, we simply are not in their class. Today's game honestly I think means zilch moving forward. Every game after this one is significantly, and I mean significantly easier. Now that won't mean much if this team quits, but I'll give them at least till Tuesday to see if that occurs.

But, if we play like we did versus Miami, we will win 3 of our last 6 no question, probably 4. If we do that and make the NCAAT, while it won't be a big deal in the larger scheme of things, it certainly would at least represent an improvement from last season. I actually don't think that will happen, I think we will only win 2 of our last 6, but you never know.
 
We were a tip in from a road win at Miami. If we had gotten that one, pitt would have had the two best road wins in the league bar none. But, we didn't.

UNC really defended well today, if they do that, we simply are not in their class. Today's game honestly I think means zilch moving forward. Every game after this one is significantly, and I mean significantly easier. Now that won't mean much if this team quits, but I'll give them at least till Tuesday to see if that occurs.

But, if we play like we did versus Miami, we will win 3 of our last 6 no question, probably 4. If we do that and make the NCAAT, while it won't be a big deal in the larger scheme of things, it certainly would at least represent an improvement from last season. I actually don't think that will happen, I think we will only win 2 of our last 6, but you never know.
If we lose to Wake I think we collapse and don't win another game. If we beat Wake I can see maybe a win in the 1st round of the ACC Tournament or maybe VT but that's it. No way this team makes the dance imo.
 
The roster was purged two years ago and this is a stop gap collection of players. Needing three grad transfers none of whom were the ones he really wanted says it all. Next year hopefully will be better , then the next recruiting class will tell you the direction the program is headed. Does Smoke actually land someone of impact in that class or was he a bad hire ? Pitt doesn't restock with 4/5 MickeyD kids and thinking that they'd be better off without their two best players next year is lunacy. To be honest I think we'll all be glad when JRob successor takes over , a change is needed there ,whether for good or bad . It looks like Pitt unfortunately peaked in the first half of the ND game where they were lucky to get out of there with the win. The quality of teams they're playing now can exploit the weaknesses that have been exposed. There are no answers when your playing teams that are bigger,stronger ,quicker & more talented than you that know your weaknesses. Sad ,but true.
 
If we lose to Wake I think we collapse and don't win another game. If we beat Wake I can see maybe a win in the 1st round of the ACC Tournament or maybe VT but that's it. No way this team makes the dance imo.

Well, then you can only be pleasantly surprised. That's a good mindset.
 
I actually don't think that will happen, I think we will only win 2 of our last 6, but you never know.

That's just about as I see it.

But yes, you never know. And until it's been decided, I see no harm in hoping for 4 of the last six.
 
That's just about as I see it.

But yes, you never know. And until it's been decided, I see no harm in hoping for 4 of the last six.

I think we beat Wake and GT, but the awful thing is that if we just get one more win, even at a very soft 9-9, we might be more likely than not to make the dance. It's still right there for this group, but I just don't think they care
 
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Well, then you can only be pleasantly surprised. That's a good mindset.
Well in all truth I don't think we beat Wake. I really see us losing all the rest of the games. Mainly because now it seems like Jamie has lost the team. Again, the team is in chaos.
 
I think we beat Wake and GT, but the awful thing is that if we just get one more win, even at a very soft 9-9, we might be more likely than not to make the dance. It's still right there for this group, but I just don't think they care

Yes, this is why I think we need 4 of 6.
 
There isn't any villains.

Mike Young like James Robinson is a fine young man that frankly doesn't deserve all the vitriol.

He was the leading scorer and rebounder today.

He didn't pout on the sidelines. He made some poor plays like everyone did today.

He shot 7-13. The rest of the team shot 18-54 which is 33%.

If you look hard and are being honest this team probably only has more talent than only 4 teams in the acc. The coaches picked them to finish 10th. If anyone feels the need to blame someone blame the guy that assembled this team. The guy paid millions to win basketball games.
 
There isn't any villains.

Mike Young like James Robinson is a fine young man that frankly doesn't deserve all the vitriol.

He was the leading scorer and rebounder today.

He didn't pout on the sidelines. He made some poor plays like everyone did today.

He shot 7-13. The rest of the team shot 18-54 which is 33%.

If you look hard and are being honest this team probably only has more talent than only 4 teams in the acc. The coaches picked them to finish 10th. If anyone feels the need to blame someone blame the guy that assembled this team. The guy paid millions to win basketball games.

Indeed. The buck always stops with the coach.
 
I think we beat Wake and GT, but the awful thing is that if we just get one more win, even at a very soft 9-9, we might be more likely than not to make the dance. It's still right there for this group, but I just don't think they care

It really doesn't seem like they do.
 
** Hey … I don’t know why all the rest of you are bellyaching so much. After all, it’s ME whose “job” it is to write these post-game “dribbles.” Dammit, it sure has been a hell of a lot tougher as of late.

DT, I can only imagine how tough it is for you, not only to write the Dribbles (especially after a home game) but also to remain positive about this team and program.

I'm not going to jump onto the "Fire Dixon" bandwagon just yet. Any coach who's won as many games as he, and with a better than .700 win percentage, deserves a few sub-par seasons. But something positive needs to happen SOON. Better assistants? Better recruits? Better team chemistry? A winning streak?!
 
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Problem is where will the minutes come from. Manigault is going to have to get minutes away from Young, Nix, Jeter, and Luther. I don't know how good Kithcart is yet but he would have to get minutes away from Wilson, Milligan, Jones, and Cam Johnson. Plus we don't know what grad transfers will come in. I don't see much opportunity for new guys coming in. And even if they are better than what we have, will Dixon okay then over upperclassman or guys that have already been in the program?
 
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