Ursula is concerned

[pittbb80]

The response from the EU is exactly what we would expect to see from the end of the 80-year-old Marshal Plan.

EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyden has three big concerns with the new trade/tariff reset. I strongly suggest everyone to read the EU concerns slowly to fully absorb decades of hypocrisy now surfacing:

#1 The EU will not be able to compete for U.S. market share with 20% general tariffs and 25% auto tariffs.

#2 The EU must deploy countermeasures against the risk of losing industrial capacity and manufacturing to the United States.

And #3 The EU must defend itself against China dumping cheap products into the EU now rejected by the USA.

von der Leyen is concerned mostly about the extremely valuable U.S. consumer being leveraged by President Trump, essentially blocking exploitation from EU and Asia.

EU President Ursula von der Leyen is Apoplectic, Worries of Asian Product Dumping into EU - The Last Refuge

The response from the EU is exactly what we would expect to see from the end of the 80-year-old Marshal Plan. EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyden has three big concerns with the new trade/tariff reset. I strongly suggest everyone to read the EU concerns slowly to fully absorb decades...

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[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

Is it a good thing to piss off all of our allies??

 

[pittbb80]

Is it a good thing to piss off all of our allies??

You mean Allie’s who have been leaching off the US for decades (the US essentially provides their defense so they can afford to give their citizens free shit like health care ). And protecting their industries while ours have been gutted ? Do you really think they are going to just walk away for then largest market in the world ?

I don’t think this is a 100 pct slam dunk and there is risk associated with it. Trump is gambling his presidency on it. But this goes beyond bringing back manufacturing jobs to the Us and rebuilding the middle class This is a national security issue. When you don’t produce critical materials you are at the mercy of other countries.

I think it’s worth the gamble It’s intersting that people in this country worry about what our Allie’s are going to think but our Allie’s for years have not given. Shit about US citizens

 

[303vND]

Man..they sure have those MAGAT talking points down to a science.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

The response from the EU is exactly what we would expect to see from the end of the 80-year-old Marshal Plan.

EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyden has three big concerns with the new trade/tariff reset. I strongly suggest everyone to read the EU concerns slowly to fully absorb decades of hypocrisy now surfacing:

#1 The EU will not be able to compete for U.S. market share with 20% general tariffs and 25% auto tariffs.

#2 The EU must deploy countermeasures against the risk of losing industrial capacity and manufacturing to the United States.

And #3 The EU must defend itself against China dumping cheap products into the EU now rejected by the USA.

von der Leyen is concerned mostly about the extremely valuable U.S. consumer being leveraged by President Trump, essentially blocking exploitation from EU and Asia.

EU President Ursula von der Leyen is Apoplectic, Worries of Asian Product Dumping into EU - The Last Refuge

The response from the EU is exactly what we would expect to see from the end of the 80-year-old Marshal Plan. EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyden has three big concerns with the new trade/tariff reset. I strongly suggest everyone to read the EU concerns slowly to fully absorb decades...

theconservativetreehouse.com

isnt all of this a good thing for the US? I mean, this is what we want, right?


not the liberal globalist cucks but people that actually prioritize America. the EU concerned about losing US marketshare to US companies.. this sounds like Ws across the board..

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

You mean Allie’s who have been leaching off the US for decades (the US essentially provides their defense so they can afford to give their citizens free shit like health care ). And protecting their industries while ours have been gutted ? Do you really think they are going to just walk away for then largest market in the world ?

I don’t think this is a 100 pct slam dunk and there is risk associated with it. Trump is gambling his presidency on it. But this goes beyond bringing back manufacturing jobs to the Us and rebuilding the middle class This is a national security issue. When you don’t produce critical materials you are at the mercy of other countries.

I think it’s worth the gamble It’s intersting that people in this country worry about what our Allie’s are going to think but our Allie’s for years have not given. Shit about US citizens

Allies.

I know just going through some of th more details that probably isn't public yet. We just got to understand to produce domestically, we still will need materials from abroad. We can't make/mine everything.

 

[BPKY]

Allies.

I know just going through some of th more details that probably isn't public yet. We just got to understand to produce domestically, we still will need materials from abroad. We can't make/mine everything.

I'm not sure allies means anything like it once did. This is old think.

It's wiser to think of financial systems in conflict than nations in conflict. Citizens are just resources for the oligarchs.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Is it a good thing to piss off all of our allies??

but these wonderful "allies" of ours have no issues with having high tariffs on our exports. no issues there at all.

Thats honestly one thing that everyone kind of glosses over. why is this economic strategy so bad when we do it but it's acceptable and fine when used against the USA???


no one ever answers that question..

 

[caleco's]

but these wonderful "allies" of ours have no issues with having high tariffs on our exports. no issues there at all.

Thats honestly one thing that everyone kind of glosses over. why is this economic strategy so bad when we do it but it's acceptable and fine when used against the USA???


no one ever answers that question..

The EU'S incredulous reaction .....they can shove it up their @$$. Australia "thats not how you treat allies..." really? Then they should have had zero or balanced tarriffs on goods.
The perps are playing victim here.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

but these wonderful "allies" of ours have no issues with having high tariffs on our exports. no issues there at all.

Thats honestly one thing that everyone kind of glosses over. why is this economic strategy so bad when we do it but it's acceptable and fine when used against the USA???


no one ever answers that question..

Again, you aren't answering the question. We cannot make or mine everything. We still need to rely on materials produced elsewhere even though you may manufacture the components domestically. Say.....CHIPS!! And other electronics.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Again, you aren't answering the question. We cannot make or mine everything. We still need to rely on materials produced elsewhere even though you may manufacture the components domestically. Say.....CHIPS!! And other electronics.

so because we implement a tariff, that means all goods from that country and all trade is now done?

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

so because we implement a tariff, that means all goods from that country and all trade is now done?

NO. It means someone (end user) is going to pay for them.

 

[pittbb80]

Allies.

I know just going through some of th more details that probably isn't public yet. We just got to understand to produce domestically, we still will need materials from abroad. We can't make/mine everything.

For sure. But you trading partners and Allie’s are t o differed things. Your training partner doesn’t have to be your ally. Isi it better for them to be both? Absolutely.

As I heard someone else say. The vast majority of people think we need to fix our economy and actually produce stuff again. We are now mostly an ag IT and finance based economy. Those don’t produce enough jobs to support a robust middle class. So working to fix the trade imbalances makes a ton of sense. The question is is the way that this admin is going about it the right way. Time will tell I think the people who have the most to lose and are screaming the loudest are the people who have benefited the most from the current system that has enriched mega corps and screwed over small businesses and the middle class

 

[pittbb80]

but these wonderful "allies" of ours have no issues with having high tariffs on our exports. no issues there at all.

Thats honestly one thing that everyone kind of glosses over. why is this economic strategy so bad when we do it but it's acceptable and fine when used against the USA???


no one ever answers that question..

It’s not just high tarrifs. In many cases they won’t even allow out products to be sold

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

It’s not just high tarrifs. In many cases they won’t even allow out products to be sold

so in theory, what everyone is saying about tariffs, are that these countries are punishing their citizens with higher costs of goods since they have tariffs on our exports..


is that how it works? If it's the case here with us then it has to be the case with every country who has existing tariffs on our goods.

 

[pittbb80]

Again, you aren't answering the question. We cannot make or mine everything. We still need to rely on materials produced elsewhere even though you may manufacture the components domestically. Say.....CHIPS!! And other electronics.

I agree but we can make a lot of stuff. With respect to chips we do have many of the elements but our regulations have precluded mining them. Now there’s a good argument to be made that is it better to **** up your back yard or let others do it environmentally speaking

In all honesty and I’m sure you would agree these are very complex issues. We didn’t get here over night and we won’t get to where we want to be tomorrow. But I do think it’s way past time to address this issue and be aggressive in doing so. Trump seems to be moving all the chips into the middle of the table. As I said that is not without risk but I think it’s better than doing doing.

 

[pittbb80]

so in theory, what everyone is saying about tariffs, are that these countries are punishing their citizens with higher costs of goods since they have tariffs on our exports..


is that how it works? If it's the case here with us then it has to be the case with every country who has existing tariffs on our goods.

Yeah. Other counties have practiced protectionism for decades. free trade has always been bullshit sold mostly by the Rs who are owned by big corporations and the chamber of commerce Dems used to rail about free trade screwing over the working man.

 

[Millerton]

You mean Allie’s who have been leaching off the US for decades (the US essentially provides their defense so they can afford to give their citizens free shit like health care ). And protecting their industries while ours have been gutted ? Do you really think they are going to just walk away for then largest market in the world ?

I don’t think this is a 100 pct slam dunk and there is risk associated with it. Trump is gambling his presidency on it. But this goes beyond bringing back manufacturing jobs to the Us and rebuilding the middle class This is a national security issue. When you don’t produce critical materials you are at the mercy of other countries.

I think it’s worth the gamble It’s intersting that people in this country worry about what our Allie’s are going to think but our Allie’s for years have not given. Shit about US citizens

America is BROKE. We are 36 trillion in debt. Enough is enough. Tariffs have potential of another revenue for us. America 1st. Every single country should put their country 1st period.

 

[BPKY]

so in theory, what everyone is saying about tariffs, are that these countries are punishing their citizens with higher costs of goods since they have tariffs on our exports..


is that how it works? If it's the case here with us then it has to be the case with every country who has existing tariffs on our goods.

You're using logic now. How dare you.

Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks tries to make the point that tariffs should be targeted like a scalpel; but if you slap a tariff on any product, that country will still retaliate. Our choice is to be screwed by all these countries in the aggregate or to go to the mattresses. Let's get it on.

 

[pittbb80]

You're using logic now. How dare you.

Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks tries to make the point that tariffs should be targeted like a scalpel; but if you slap a tariff on any product, that country will still retaliate. Our choice is to be screwed by all these countries in the aggregate or to go to the mattresses. Let's get it on.

Yeah I think here there is something to be said for what chunk yogurt said but I kinda think we are well past the surgical stage. It’s kinda like letting cancer get to stage 4. Surgically removing the tumor is no longer a viable option as the cancer has spread too far. Chemo is the only way to adress the cancer

 

[pittbb80]

A free and open exchange of goods. Hmm. So Canadas tarrifs on US exports are free and open but the US tarrifs are not free.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

A free and open exchange of goods. Hmm. So Canadas tarrifs on US exports are free and open but the US tarrifs are not free.

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comments are great. yeah, go ahead Canada, put zelensky on your payroll for awhile, we are tired of him..

 

[Pitt2009]

Isn’t free market enterprise a pillar of conservatism?

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

I agree but we can make a lot of stuff. With respect to chips we do have many of the elements but our regulations have precluded mining them. Now there’s a good argument to be made that is it better to **** up your back yard or let others do it environmentally speaking

In all honesty and I’m sure you would agree these are very complex issues. We didn’t get here over night and we won’t get to where we want to be tomorrow. But I do think it’s way past time to address this issue and be aggressive in doing so. Trump seems to be moving all the chips into the middle of the table. As I said that is not without risk but I think it’s better than doing doing.

That's just it. Regulations prevent things from being mined, even refined byproducts which we have to import. Of course, we also know, this is the first part of a long and complex negotiation.

 

[USN_Panther]

The EU'S incredulous reaction .....they can shove it up their @$$. Australia "thats not how you treat allies..." really? Then they should have had zero or balanced tarriffs on goods.
The perps are playing victim here.

Some nations take issue with their sales taxes being labeled as tariffs. Australia is one of these. They do sales tax nation wide, not by state. It isn't anti-competitive because all imports and domestic products pay it at the same rate.

 

[pittbb80]

Isn’t free market enterprise a pillar of conservatism?

For the establishment Rs it is. But it’s always been bullshit. Now the Dems have joined the esablishment. Rs and have formed the war mongering mega corp chamber in f commerce uniparty It’s why they both hate trump

 

[caleco's]

Some nations take issue with their sales taxes being labeled as tariffs. Australia is one of these. They do sales tax nation wide, not by state. It isn't anti-competitive because all imports and domestic products pay it at the same rate.

I am curious what are the income tax rates like there?

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

 

[USN_Panther]

I am curious what are the income tax rates like there?

Not sure about Australia. New Zealand.... it's high. The top rate is 39%. 15% GST on everything. We pay less in property taxes than in the US.
I'll say this about nearly 40% income tax, it makes me about 40% less likely to work extra shifts. They'll be telling me how desperate they are to cover a weekend and I tell them to call me if it rains.

 

[caleco's]

Not sure about Australia. New Zealand.... it's high. The top rate is 39%. 15% GST on everything. We pay less in property taxes than in the US.
I'll say this about nearly 40% income tax, it makes me about 40% less likely to work extra shifts. They'll be telling me how desperate they are to cover a weekend and I tell them to call me if it rains.

That makes sense. That is really high, not as bad as cali but still high.
Seems like you really enjoy it there which is the important part

 

[USN_Panther]

That makes sense. That is really high, not as bad ad cali but still high.
Seems like you really enjoy it there which is the important part

For the most part I think we get decent value for money from the NZ government.
They were pretty proactive with the looming tariffs and have been negotiating trade deals with India and China. India will be a good market for NZ lamb. China is the biggest market for NZ dairy.
Our Deputy PM Winston Peters has been meeting with Rubio a number of times and this kept NZ at the base tariff rate of 10% . That at least keeps them competitive with other exporters to the US.
NZ beef and lamb is highly sought after. It is high quality.
I do like the pace of life here and being in nature. World class dry fly fishing nearby is a huge plus.