UVA Game.....Last Two Possessions

[Chescat]

Ok, we've discussed the out
of bounds violations .....4,8.
4.9. 5.0, whatever. The ref made
a decision. UVA coaches, players,
and fans love it, we at Pitt don't.

IMO the REAL problem was the
3 pt. play before the out of
bounds mishap. If you can,
go back and look at the
highlight film in slo mo. If
you can, look at it frame by
frame.
1, Watch Jefress and where he
lines up.
2. Watch Ezzy leave his man
and switch off and pick up
Burton's man cutting on the
outside.
3. Watch Burton do nothing
and not picking up Ezzy's man
who scores.
4. Watch where Gueye is and
what he does and DOESN'T
do.

Big breakdown on D here.
This is what coaches are
examining frame by frame
and going over it with the
players.

 

[DT_PITT]

Ok, we've discussed the out
of bounds violations .....4,8.
4.9. 5.0, whatever. The ref made
a decision. UVA coaches, players,
and fans love it, we at Pitt don't.

IMO the REAL problem was the
3 pt. play before the out of
bounds mishap. If you can,
go back and look at the
highlight film in slo mo. If
you can, look at it frame by
frame.
1, Watch Jefress and where he
lines up.
2. Watch Ezzy leave his man
and switch off and pick up
Burton's man cutting on the
outside.
3. Watch Burton do nothing
and not picking up Ezzy's man
who scores.
4. Watch where Gueye is and
what he does and DOESN'T
do.

Big breakdown on D here.
This is what coaches are
examining frame by frame
and going over it with the
players.

Interesting-ty

 

[gary2]

Ok, we've discussed the out
of bounds violations .....4,8.
4.9. 5.0, whatever. The ref made
a decision. UVA coaches, players,
and fans love it, we at Pitt don't.

IMO the REAL problem was the
3 pt. play before the out of
bounds mishap. If you can,
go back and look at the
highlight film in slo mo. If
you can, look at it frame by
frame.
1, Watch Jefress and where he
lines up.
2. Watch Ezzy leave his man
and switch off and pick up
Burton's man cutting on the
outside.
3. Watch Burton do nothing
and not picking up Ezzy's man
who scores.
4. Watch where Gueye is and
what he does and DOESN'T
do.

Big breakdown on D here.
This is what coaches are
examining frame by frame
and going over it with the
players.

Gardner scored.?

Gardner was Burton’s man? If he was, isn’t that quite a mismatch?

 

[Chescat]

Gardner scored.?

Gardner was Burton’s man? If he was, isn’t that quite a mismatch?

Good question Gary. It just
may have been a mismatch,
but the point is...mismatch or
no mismatch, Burton got caught
in the switch. He basically just
stood there in no mans -land.
We can't hear what and if they're
saying, but the right communication
in that instance is yelling out the
switch and adjusting. Players are
taught this over and over. Some
coaches insist on a zone D on an
out of bounds play on the baseline.
If you go man to man, you know
a pick is coming, and you have to
communicate. Bottom line, Ezzy
switched and Burton didn't.
Hugley then had to pick him up
and of course fouled. The ref
WILL call a foul in that situation.

Bad D on our part. Communication?
I'm not on the floor, but my guess
is no communication. Either way
Ezzy switched and Burton din't.
It's basic basketball, VERY basic.

 

[NCanton Panther]

You’re right, the ref WILL call a foul in that situation, it is the natural tendency.

However, when I saw the replay of it, it actually was good defense by John, he went straight up with body and arms. Coulda/shoulda easily been a no-call if not for the natural tendency.

 

[Chescat]

You’re right, the ref WILL call a foul in that situation, it is the natural tendency.

However, when I saw the replay of it, it actually was good defense by John, he went straight up with body and arms. Coulda/shoulda easily been a no-call if not for the natural tendency.

Yup...I think we both agree
on this. John had to slide off
his man and pick up the
shooter. He ends up looking
like the guilty party, which in
fact he wasn't. Good D by
John, poor D on the switch
out front which forced John
to do what he did. Ezzy switched,
Burton did not = someone's
open. Again, basic Bball.

 

[gary2]

Ok, we've discussed the out
of bounds violations .....4,8.
4.9. 5.0, whatever. The ref made
a decision. UVA coaches, players,
and fans love it, we at Pitt don't.

IMO the REAL problem was the
3 pt. play before the out of
bounds mishap. If you can,
go back and look at the
highlight film in slo mo. If
you can, look at it frame by
frame.
1, Watch Jefress and where he
lines up.
2. Watch Ezzy leave his man
and switch off and pick up
Burton's man cutting on the
outside.
3. Watch Burton do nothing
and not picking up Ezzy's man
who scores.
4. Watch where Gueye is and
what he does and DOESN'T
do.

Big breakdown on D here.
This is what coaches are
examining frame by frame
and going over it with the
players.

Who started off guarding Gardner in this sequence?

Ezzy’s man scored? He was gHarding Gardner?

Sorry, I am confused here.

 

[Chescat]

Who started off guarding Gardner in this sequence?

Ezzy’s man scored? He was gHarding Gardner?

Sorry, I am confused here.

OK, if you can, go back and
look at highlights. Slo it down
and watch Ezzy. He's initially
guarding Gardner. He switches
on the outside and picks up
Burton's man who is cutting
across the top. Burton does
nothing. He should have
picked up Ezzy's man (Gardner).
This is mostly Burton's fault
for not doing his part in the
switch. Another way of
looking at it is for Ezzy not
to have switched in the first
place.
Anyway, hope this helps.

 

[gary2]

OK, if you can, go back and
look at highlights. Slo it down
and watch Ezzy. He's initially
guarding Gardner. He switches
on the outside and picks up
Burton's man who is cutting
across the top. Burton does
nothing. He should have
picked up Ezzy's man (Gardner).
This is mostly Burton's fault
for not doing his part in the
switch. Another way of
looking at it is for Ezzy not
to have switched in the first
place.
Anyway, hope this helps.

Thanks. Ok, I follow that.

Ezzy is guarding Gardner? That is insane.

Do you agree with that?

 

[Chescat]

Thanks. Ok, I follow that.

Ezzy is guarding Gardner? That is insane.

Do you agree with that?

Ok, I'll buy that, but here's
the reality....in the heat of
the game (with no time out
called) that mismatch can
easily happen when there's
only a few seconds before
the ref hands the ball over
for an out of bounds play.
Another reality.....Ezzy is a
walk on, it's a young
inexperienced and not very
talented group, It happens.

 

[gary2]

Ok, I'll buy that, but here's
the reality....in the heat of
the game (with no time out
called) that mismatch can
easily happen when there's
only a few seconds before
the ref hands the ball over
for an out of bounds play.
Another reality.....Ezzy is a
walk on, it's a young
inexperienced and not very
talented group, It happens.

There is no, absolutely no, way it should.

No excuses here.

if your team, your coach is THAT stupid, you truly Deserve to lose.

the best player on the Virginia team, who weighs 250 pounds, is to be covered by our walk on point guard? Really?

Everyone should have been yelling and knew: whose got Gardner, whose got Clarke?

 

[Chescat]

There is no, absolutely no, way it should.

No excuses here.

if your team, your coach is THAT stupid, you truly Deserve to lose.

Gary, you had good questions
about this sequence that
ended up leading to the loss.
but these things DO happen. The
better the team, the less they
occur. Again inexperienced,
young, and not particularly
talented, and they'll happen
more frequently.

At this point I don't get too
upset, because I know it
happens frequently in the
course of a game. We focused
on this one because it occurred
at the end, and led to another
loss.

 

[gary2]

Mistakes like this, not calling timeout before the five seconds, giving up multiple layups off inbounds plays and…

in the last game, not keeping contact with the inbounder, speaks volumes about this coaching staff.

 

[NCanton Panther]

It’s not like UVA executed any great play on either of those last 2 scores to spring someone open for a good look or easy basket. The game winner in particular had a whole lot of luck involved, little of either great play by UVA or bad play by Pitt.

I can’t fault Pitt too much on those. Only thing to fault them on is the 5-sec call on the inbounds.

 

[DT_PITT]

Mistakes like this, not calling timeout before the five seconds, giving up multiple layups off inbounds plays and…

in the last game, not keeping contact with the inbounder, speaks volumes about this coaching staff.

To be honest with you Gary, I don’t think we need to keep bringing up evidence of the failures of the coaching staff. Their record already says everything that needs to be said and speaks volumes well beyond any one situation or another.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

To be honest with you Gary, I don’t think we need to keep bringing up evidence of the failures of the coaching staff. Their record already says everything that needs to be said and speaks volumes well beyond any one situation or another.

Good luck with that one

 

[gary2]

To be honest with you Gary, I don’t think we need to keep bringing up evidence of the failures of the coaching staff. Their record already says everything that needs to be said and speaks volumes well beyond any one situation or another.

Just accept they are bad as a given and refrain from piling on?

Have we ever done that for any coach in any sport?

Is that a “fair” question to ask?

 

[Mercer50]

Ok, we've discussed the out
of bounds violations .....4,8.
4.9. 5.0, whatever. The ref made
a decision. UVA coaches, players,
and fans love it, we at Pitt don't.

IMO the REAL problem was the
3 pt. play before the out of
bounds mishap. If you can,
go back and look at the
highlight film in slo mo. If
you can, look at it frame by
frame.
1, Watch Jefress and where he
lines up.
2. Watch Ezzy leave his man
and switch off and pick up
Burton's man cutting on the
outside.
3. Watch Burton do nothing
and not picking up Ezzy's man
who scores.
4. Watch where Gueye is and
what he does and DOESN'T
do.

Big breakdown on D here.
This is what coaches are
examining frame by frame
and going over it with the
players.

I actually think they were playing zone on the last 3 put of bounds plays. On the first and final plays Jeffres did not follow the player cutting across the lane away from him and Gueye did the same on the play Gardner scored. Also on the last play Burton let Gardner get inside him who caught the ball and passed to the 3 point shooter. I think they played zone because on 2 earlier inbounds plays where the played man to man Jeffress let his man beat him for layups.

 

[Chescat]

I actually think they were playing zone on the last 3 put of bounds plays. On the first and final plays Jeffres did not follow the player cutting across the lane away from him and Gueye did the same on the play Gardner scored. Also on the last play Burton let Gardner get inside him who caught the ball and passed to the 3 point shooter. I think they played zone because on 2 earlier inbounds plays where the played man to man Jeffress let his man beat him for layups.

If they were playing zone,
Hugley and Gueye really
messed up. The player that
Hugley is watching moves.
across the lane and gets
inside position on Gueye.
With him out of his way,
Hugley needed to move
further up in the lane and
help out.

You might be right about
why Capel would change the
D if Jeffres were beaten
twice.

 

[DT_PITT]

Just accept they are bad as a given and refrain from piling on?

Have we ever done that for any coach in any sport?

Is that a “fair” question to ask?

You piled on against those critical of Stallings.

 

[gary2]

You piled on against those critical of Stallings.

Can we stay on point?

You asked me to treat the current coach in a manner no other coach has been treated.

I thought we were discussing treatment of coaches, not posters.

is this deflection?

 

[DT_PITT]

Can we stay on point?

You asked me to treat the current coach in a manner no other coach has been treated.

I thought we were discussing treatment of coaches, not posters.

is this deflection?

Why didn’t you treat Stallings this way?

 

[gary2]

Why didn’t you treat Stallings this way?

This is old ground. Do we need to keep revisiting it? I seldom bring up Stallings these days.

And… You know exactly why I felt the way I did about Stallings.

what was the point of your reply to me in this thread and this post?

If you think I am over the top in my criticism of Capel and should tone it done a notch, just say so. Don’t cloak it as something else.

you basically said worse about Capel than anything I did. you effectively said his incompetence is a given. Then Joeand King chimed in. With a like or reply. Do you think those replies were agreeing with your point saying Capel’s incompetence is a given or were a response to your suggestion for me?

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

This is old ground. Do we need to keep revisiting it? I seldom bring up Stallings these days.

And… You know exactly why I felt the way I did about Stallings.

what was the point of your initial post in this thread and this post?

If you think I am over the top in my criticism of Capel and should tone it done a notch, just say so. Don’t cloak it as something else.

you basically said worse about Capel than I did. you effectively said his incompetence is a given. Then Joeand King chimed in. With a like or reply. Do you think those replies were agreeing with your point saying Capel’s incompetence is a given or were a response to your suggestion for me?

No need to wonder. It was a response to his suggestion. You’re like a broken record. Everyone knows how you feel. And before you think I’m singling you out I’ve said the same thing to others about repeating the same crap (different subjects) over and over and over. Give it a rest. And besides it’s not like many people are defending Capel. We all get it. A lot of what you’ve said has been warranted. It just doesn’t need to be said dozens of times.

 

[DT_PITT]

No need to wonder. It was a response to his suggestion. You’re like a broken record. Everyone knows how you feel. And before you think I’m singling you out I’ve said the same thing to others about repeating the same crap (different subjects) over and over and over. Give it a rest. And besides it’s not like many people are defending Capel. We all get it. A lot of what you’ve said has been warranted. It just doesn’t need to be said dozens of times.

Is there even anyone defending Capel? Even “subliminally?” I don’t think so.

 

[gary2]

No need to wonder. It was a response to his suggestion. You’re like a broken record. Everyone knows how you feel. And before you think I’m singling you out I’ve said the same thing to others about repeating the same crap (different subjects) over and over and over. Give it a rest. And besides it’s not like many people are defending Capel. We all get it. A lot of what you’ve said has been warranted. It just doesn’t need to be said dozens of times.

I understand your position.

Recent posts have dealt with recent failings.

when posters say he does not make excuses, yes I hammer that with repeat evidence that he did/does.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Is there even anyone defending Capel? Even “subliminally?” I don’t think so.

I think I’ve seen a person or 2 want him to have more rope. But yea you might be correct that there’s none. There really is no defending him. This is his mess wholly. Lock stock and barrel.

 

[gary2]

Is there even anyone defending Capel? Even “subliminally?” I don’t think so.

What would one call suggesting a treatment for this coach that was never requested for or given to any other coach?

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

I understand your position.

Recent posts have dealt with recent failings.

when posters say he does not make excuses, yes I hammer that with repeat evidence that he did/does.

There will always be some who don’t see what’s in front of their eyes. After all that hammering maybe someone still don’t see it. And they never will.

I can be as stubborn as they come. But even I just roll my eyes and just pass on some of what I think is nonsense.

As far as recent failings, I don’t think anyone’s talking about game to game criticism. Every game seems to provide ample subject matter.

Put it this way. Sometimes it feels like someone could start a thread that says todays a nice day and you’d say oh yea? Capel sucks. Might be a little over the top but I think you’ll get my point.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

What would one call suggesting a treatment for this coach that was never requested for or given to any other coach?

And that’s the other thing. I don’t understand why you won’t let that go. You’re not ever gonna have any impact on Capel’s treatment. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever. Just another example of you just going on and on to death.

Anyway, you’re still free to tell me to go eff myself and that you’ll post what you want. But you kinda asked. Regardless I’m done. Hopefully we all have something to be happy about in about 4 hours.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

What would one call suggesting a treatment for this coach that was never requested for or given to any other coach?

Why did you suggest it for the last coach?

Basically, your position on this issue is "do what I say, not what I do."

 

[Mercer50]

If they were playing zone,
Hugley and Gueye really
messed up. The player that
Hugley is watching moves.
across the lane and gets
inside position on Gueye.
With him out of his way,
Hugley needed to move
further up in the lane and
help out.

You might be right about
why Capel would change the
D if Jeffres were beaten
twice.

They almost had.to be playing zone on the 3 point play by Gardner. Gueye did not follow his man who cut across the lane toward Jeffress and Burton just stood in the lane and did not follow his man who moved to the 3 point line towards Eze. Hugley was left trying to guard 2 players.

 

[gary2]

And that’s the other thing. I don’t understand why you won’t let that go. You’re not ever gonna have any impact on Capel’s treatment. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever. Just another example of you just going on and on to death.

Anyway, you’re still free to tell me to go eff myself and that you’ll post what you want. But you kinda asked. Regardless I’m done. Hopefully we all have something to be happy about in about 4 hours.

On and on in this thread was responding to DT.

Hey, I am willing to admit in general, that my style can be argumentative and abrasive, certainly not measured. It is more argumentative and abrasive depending on the other posters style And responses.

i Appreciate your input. I mean it.

I look forward in joining you in rooting em in. HTP!

 

[gary2]

Why did you suggest it for the last coach?

Basically, your position on this issue is "do what I say, not what I do."

I never said anything close.

Find one post where I suggested any coach not be criticized because afterall, it is a given he sucks.

I asked no special consideration for Stallings. I asked nobody to share my feelings about Stallings.

when questioned as to why I had sympathy for the man, I explained it.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I never said anything close.

Find one post where I suggested any coach not be criticized because afterall, it is a given he sucks.

I asked no special consideration for Stallings. I asked nobody to share my feelings about Stallings.

when questioned as to why I had sympathy for the man, I explained it.

You supported the insupportable not only while it was happening, but you still do to this day. To this very day you tell people that Stallings wasn't so bad and that he got a raw deal here. Now, when anyone even hints that Caple might not be the devil himself you are there to set them straight.

Do as I say, not as I do.

 

[gary2]

You supported the insupportable not only while it was happening, but you still do to this day. To this very day you tell people that Stallings wasn't so bad and that he got a raw deal here. Now, when anyone even hints that Caple might not be the devil himself you are there to set them straight.

Do as I say, not as I do.

I never said Stallings wasn’t so bad. I most emphatically maintain he got a raw deal and never had a chance.

None, absolutely none of this, has anything to do with DT’s suggestion to me.

Deflection. Seems a common tactic.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I never said Stallings wasn’t so bad. I most emphatically maintain he got a raw deal and never had a chance.

If he was bad then he most certainly did not get a raw deal. He made millions of dollars to be bad. To the point where he basically quit.

That's the real issue. You don't want to look at the implications of what you post. You want people only to take the words at face value. You can say "I never said Stallings was bad" but the fact of the matter is that if you think that he was bad then he didn't get a raw deal. You want to have your cake and eat it too.

 

[gary2]

If he was bad then he most certainly did not get a raw deal. He made millions of dollars to be bad. To the point where he basically quit.

That's the real issue. You don't want to look at the implications of what you post. You want people only to take the words at face value. You can say "I never said Stallings was bad" but the fact of the matter is that if you think that he was bad then he didn't get a raw deal. You want to have your cake and eat it too.

We have been over why I personally think he was bad. I can have my cake and eat it too.

I am done with this useless discussion.

Talk about on and on , over the top, beating a dead horse, etc, etc, etc.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Talk about on and on , over the top, beating a dead horse, etc, etc, etc.

Yes, you do. But at this point we all expect it from you.

 

[gary2]

Yes, you do. But at this point we all expect it from you.

And what do we all expect from you?