Vaccine. Questions

[pittbb80]

So if vaccines are so incredibly safe and effective

1. Why are the required for everyone if the vaccine prevents you from getting the disease ? If someone decides not to take it the vaccinate are protected. So why should they care if someone else isn’t ?

2. If vaccines are as safe as people say they are and they cure dangerous diseases it seems most people would jump at the chance to take them. And if they don’t then that’s their problem (see no 1)

Oh and here’s another peer reviewed study indicating vaccines can cause autism. I guess these people are not paid by Big Pharma et ah are main stream

 

[USN_Panther]

I'm not going to argue with you, but I will add some commentary (that I think I am qualified to provide).
As to point 1, reducing disease prevalence protects those vulnerable to the disease in question. Vulnerable people would be the immunocompromised and those who cannot be vaccinated due to risk or lack of response.
As for the study, use of administrative databases for research induce some degree of bias into the observational research. Medicaid in particular would be dealing with a selected population who could be at higher risk of autism.
Observational research with OR or RR less than 4 are mainly hypothesis generating, not definitive proof of anything. So you can say that study shows a trend within a limited population.

 

[pittbb80]

I'm not going to argue with you, but I will add some commentary (that I think I am qualified to provide).
As to point 1, reducing disease prevalence protects those vulnerable to the disease in question. Vulnerable people would be the immunocompromised and those who cannot be vaccinated due to risk or lack of response.
As for the study, use of administrative databases for research induce some degree of bias into the observational research. Medicaid in particular would be dealing with a selected population who could be at higher risk of autism.
Observational research with OR or RR less than 4 are mainly hypothesis generating, not definitive proof of anything. So you can say that study shows a trend within a limited population.

USN thanks for the thoughtful response. I’m aware you are a doc I believe so I respect your thoughts even though I may not agree

I guess you make a good point about people who can’t get vaccinated. I was not aware that is the case. Can you elaborate on how how significant that situation is? Seems to
Me that’s pretty rare

And I’m not saying that is the be all end all study. But it’s also not the only one. Just saying there is a correlation between the explosion of vaccines and the end of liability and autism. At the very least we should be spending lots of effort to better understand the explosion of childhood diseases like autism and not just dismissing it like many do

Thanks again.

 

[pittbb80]

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Wasn't it stated recently by the medical profession that the mumps portion of the MMR is not effective at all at preventing mumps? Like a less than 10% effectiveness?

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

i dont like how we lump all vaccines into just one category. Dems and the media pushed normal people questioning the covid vax shot as "anti vaxxers" in a pathetic attempt to isolate us as extremists..

do we have to be all or nothing on this topic? I thank the lord that i did not give my two kids the covid vacc, its one thing i truly am soo happy about. But other vaccinations, yeah, to me it was a no brainer..


with these measles outbreaks recently in the US and canada, you have to look at who's getting it. it's not the vaxxed. i've heard conflicting stories, especially in texas. was it 3rd world immigrants coming up? I also heard there is like a small amish or mennonite community in that region that is obviously against modern medicine and they are the ones getting it.

In NYC, some measles cases popped up in migrant housing. so again, unvaxxed people getting viruses that were pretty much eradicated 70 years ago in a civilized country.


i dont know and probably dont care enough to look it up but there are obvious repercussions to ignoring living in the 21st century..

 

[HailToPitt1985]

i dont like how we lump all vaccines into just one category. Dems and the media pushed normal people questioning the covid vax shot as "anti vaxxers" in a pathetic attempt to isolate us as extremists..

do we have to be all or nothing on this topic? I thank the lord that i did not give my two kids the covid vacc, its one thing i truly am soo happy about. But other vaccinations, yeah, to me it was a no brainer..


with these measles outbreaks recently in the US and canada, you have to look at who's getting it. it's not the vaxxed. i've heard conflicting stories, especially in texas. was it 3rd world immigrants coming up? I also heard there is like a small amish or mennonite community in that region that is obviously against modern medicine and they are the ones getting it.

In NYC, some measles cases popped up in migrant housing. so again, unvaxxed people getting viruses that were pretty much eradicated 70 years ago in a civilized country.


i dont know and probably dont care enough to look it up but there are obvious repercussions to ignoring living in the 21st century..

Good post. I'm 100% against the Covid shot because it doesn't do what people think it does and it does cause harmful damage to bodies long-term. It's not a vaccine, so saying I'm against it is not being anti-vax.

I'm for real vaccines within limits and on individual analysis.

 

[pittbb80]

i dont like how we lump all vaccines into just one category. Dems and the media pushed normal people questioning the covid vax shot as "anti vaxxers" in a pathetic attempt to isolate us as extremists..

do we have to be all or nothing on this topic? I thank the lord that i did not give my two kids the covid vacc, its one thing i truly am soo happy about. But other vaccinations, yeah, to me it was a no brainer..


with these measles outbreaks recently in the US and canada, you have to look at who's getting it. it's not the vaxxed. i've heard conflicting stories, especially in texas. was it 3rd world immigrants coming up? I also heard there is like a small amish or mennonite community in that region that is obviously against modern medicine and they are the ones getting it.

In NYC, some measles cases popped up in migrant housing. so again, unvaxxed people getting viruses that were pretty much eradicated 70 years ago in a civilized country.


i dont know and probably dont care enough to look it up but there are obvious repercussions to ignoring living in the 21st century..

My issue is big Pharma should NOT have immunity from side affects. In addition I don’t think any vaccine should be mandatory. Third. Studies should require their authors to show who is funding the study

As I’ve said whether or not you take a particular vaccine is up to you. The doctors should discuss all risks so people understand the risk reward as well as the over all effectiveness of the vaccine and not play games with the stats like they did with the Covid jab

There’s likely no drug or vaccine this perfectly safe. And not every bodies body responds to the drug/vaccine the same way., positive or negative. That’s why I’m totally against forced vaccination.