Coconuts cannot migrate. However, they can be carried by certain species of swallow to climates that normally would be unable to grow palm trees. Said swallows are generally of an African variety, which are very strong and can grip said coconut by the husk for long periods of time, often long enough to cross the ocean. This is how coconuts arrive in more wet climates, such as the British Isles. Adventurers, kings, or persons with a holy mandate will often take advantage of this fact by employing a lackey to emulate a horse using said coconut halves. It is much cheaper than buying a horse and is still very satisfying to the ear.
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Coconuts cannot migrate. However, they can be carried by certain species of swallow to climates that normally would be unable to grow palm trees. Said swallows are generally of an African variety, which are very strong and can grip said coconut by the husk for long periods of time, often long enough to cross the ocean. This is how coconuts arrive in more wet climates, such as the British Isles. Adventurers, kings, or persons with a holy mandate will often take advantage of this fact by employing a lackey to emulate a horse using said coconut halves. It is much cheaper than buying a horse and is still very satisfying to the ear.
Of course, that is possible and it might be a good idea for Amadasun to redshirt no matter what happens or doesn’t happen.
But, that isn’t the question at issue. If you are redshirting you are still using one of the available ships. The discussion was that if a grad transfer guard was added and then Sanogo later we would be over the 13 ship NCAA limit (we would be at 14) and someone would have to be cut loose to get back to the 13 limit—perhaps either Brown or Amadasun or Drumgoole or someone else on ship. I would not want that to happen. Whether Amadasun redshirts is irrelevant to the discussion.
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I agree with your explanation regarding Amadason and a grad transfer guard.
No matter how we slice and dice it, I don't see Capel "cutting someone loose"
if we were to get both the guard and Sonogo. IM0 he would take Sonogo and
not the guard ( AND we all know I want another guard).
I think he'd show some allegiance to his players that have stuck with the
program. Brown for sure and same with Drumgoole at least for this year.
As far as Amadason redshirtting.....as you said that could happen either
way. No way Odukale redshirts. Drumgoole?...ya never know. Someone
might have to redshirt. No way you can play all 13 or for that matter 12
scholarship players. I personally like a 9 man rotation.
I was stating about Max only if we get Sanogo with that last ship. So I know what the discussion was but I'm telling you what it is as of now and what will happen IMO.
Yes I agree if we get a transfer first and Sanogo still wanted to come one of those players is leaving and it could be TB especially if the one-time transfer vote goes through on the 20th for this year. IMO
Yes I agree if we get a transfer first and Sanogo still wanted to come one of those players is leaving and it could be TB especially if the one-time transfer vote goes through on the 20th for this year. IMO
Brown could probably go as a grad transfer if he wanted to go. Assuming so, the one time transfer rule change would be irrelevant in his case.
Nevertheless, IMHO, Capel doesn’t intend to run Brown, or anyone else, off. That suggests, IMHO that (despite the fact that some of us believe it should be a priority) recruiting a grad transfer guard appears not to be a priority for Capel. He must believe—my speculation only— that Horton can play the point well enough if Johnson were lost and that he could backfill Horton’s off guard spot adequately with one or more of our wing players like Toney, Odukale or Drumgoole and that Odukale and Ozeakudo can play point for the 6-7 minutes Horton is resting on the bench.
If my speculation is correct it explains why the recruiting guys like Corey Evans are saying that Capel will hold the last ship for Sanogo and if he doesn’t get him he probably keeps the ship open rather than give it to a random grad transfer guard who isn’t good enough to get significant PT even if Johnson went down.
Brandon Weston can reclassify back to 2020. Confirmed with Weston and prephoops. There is your NY Brooklyn connection I was talking about on Thursday on Weston's account today. New York toughness and swagger and the connections are there.
Brandon Weston
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It will be very very difficult to get Weston from going to the Illini for 2020.Brandon Weston can reclassify back to 2020. Confirmed with Weston and prephoops. There is your NY Brooklyn connection I was talking about on Thursday on Weston's account today. New York toughness and swagger and the connections are there.
Brandon Weston
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I just received a offer from
@PittHoopsMBB
Univeristy of Pitt #Brooklynn Blessed
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Do you know his outside shooting stats?Brandon Weston can reclassify back to 2020. Confirmed with Weston and prephoops. There is your NY Brooklyn connection I was talking about on Thursday on Weston's account today. New York toughness and swagger and the connections are there.
Brandon Weston
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@PittHoopsMBB
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Evan Daniels listed Sanogo’s top 3 as Seton Hall, Nebraska, and UConn, which has made the most sense all along. I’m not questioning anyone’s info, but I just never saw the fit here with Hugley coming in. Sanogo is the better athlete, but you’re talking about roughly the same type of player in a low-post dominant, physical big.
Which also explains why most of the recent attention has been on either the handful of 2021s with reclass potential or just on 2021s.
I don't know whether we have any shot at Sanogo. However, IMHO, the Hugley argument against is not a particularly convincing one for me. Hugley has been promised he can play a forward position (PF) vs a low post center position. Hugley has a nice jump shot and is an excelent passer and could/would, IMHO, operate very effectively as a high (vs low) post on the offensive end. Given that, IMHO, at some point in time we will see Capel with lineups featuring two bigs with Hugley as a high post paired with a Coulibaly or Amadasun or even perhaps Sanogo (in the unlikely event he were to come to Pitt) playing the low post.
And--Yes, I recognize this may be heresy for those who believe Capel will stick almost exclusively with 1-in 5-out lineups except for those occasional times when match-ups might dictate otherwise.
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Probably so. However, it could be just a function of the fact that recruiting is always ongoing and 2021's who do not reclassify to 2020 will begin to commit with the signing of early class of 2021 LOIs happening in early November.
If you’re playing Hugley at the 4, you’d better have a 5 that can stretch the floor and step out. This may just be my preference, but the way the game is headed, you can’t have 2 bruisers down low like you could a decade ago. Hugley’s passing will be a big help, but he wasn’t brought in to be a spot up shooter. We need him to be a problem in the low post and use his physicality to drive teams nuts. If you’re going to move him out, you’re losing value in my opinion. The optimal scenario is pinning Hugley to that low block and filling that 4 spot with guys like Champagnie or Collier who can spread out and open up all kinds of opportunity
Hugley can space the floor. I don't think it's a problem having two bruisers on the court at once. It wouldn't work in the NBA, but it still can in college hoops. Duke had Wendell Carter and Marvin Bagley. Two great prospects that can stretch the floor, but mainly play on the block.
Hughley will play inside and outside.
This is a new world. He was coached for how the game is now played.
Hugley is a semi-bruiser, one that has been trained for years to play the modern 5 which moves wherever the matchup advantages are. His jumper only took off last season, so it could be a mirage, however he certainly executed at a high level on the perimeter in 2020. At least offensively....
The plan from day one was to begin playing more 5, then transition to more 4 a little down the road once he's finished remaking his body, and developing those perimeter skills.
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I don't know if we get Sanogo but if we do IMO I think with all that sizes we almost have to play 2 bigs, maybe not all the time but against teams like Duke, NC and FL. St. Who like putting 2 bigs out there it'll be nice to be able to match up with them.
For folks who have watched more of him -- what is Hugley's foot speed like in terms of being able to switch on screens etc.? How many positions can he guard?
Yeah im not qualified to answer this but I will anyways, I'm guessing he's got a long way to go defensively.
Agree. That is why I said "at some point in time" and didn't say right away.
No doubt that is true. That being said, there is no rule that a player has to play the same position at both ends of the court. Hugley could be a 5 on defense if foot speed is an issue for him defensively and a 4 on the offensive end. The second more athletic big could guard the 4 position on the defensive end.
Sure, or we may be forced to play against and play zone ourselves more than we'd want again. And cross defending on defense creates some real challenges, including on the boards. Hopefully he can develop into a decent defender. Recruiting that "athletic big" you mention is something every tram wants.
Not trying to be a Debbie Downer, I'm pumped for this team.
Amadasun might fit the bill in time. He is athletic and might be able to defend the 4. However, he is raw offensively-- but that not matter much if Hugley is attracting plenty of defensive attention. In that scenario all Amadasun would need to do offensively would be to catch and dunk. Collier at 6-9 and extremely athletic but currently young and fairly skinny having just spurted from 6-6 to 6-9 might also eventually pair well with Hugley once his body fills out. There are several possible options down the road.
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Capel this past season went with two bigs once or twice. Given who
our bigs were, he had no choice but to abandon the idea. This year he
has Brown, Hugley, Coulibaly, and Amadason. Brown and Caloubaly
both have game experience. I'm not suggesting, who, what, or when.....
but I gotta believe he's gonna give it a shot in practice and maybe
in some non conference games and see if it can work with this group.
That may be a bit above my pay grade....
Physically he's not yet ripped, quite coordinated, and puts in the work. I don't believe he currently has the skills or foot speed to keep up with a typical ACC Wing. If he can ever guard an ACC 3 with a decent handle in man, it will be after a year or two of college conditioning & coaching IMO.
Slater dropped a crystal ball for Sanogo with UConn along with a few other recruiting types. When you see a bunch of them drop at once there’s usually news forthcoming, especially with Slater. I think we can finally put this one to bed.
Good on whoever it was that called this one a few weeks back. I had heard Seton Hall or Nebraska most of the way, so I’m very surprised that SH blew this recruitment. They’ve had a nice spring but this is a bad loss for them after the kid was on campus constantly
Good on whoever it was that called this one a few weeks back. I had heard Seton Hall or Nebraska most of the way, so I’m very surprised that SH blew this recruitment. They’ve had a nice spring but this is a bad loss for them after the kid was on campus constantly
I tend to agree about Hugleey's potential ability to guard an ACC wing (3). I define wings (3s) as players who are typically 6-5 to 6-7 guys who do most of their scoring from the perimeter and sometimes slash to the basket. In a 2-big arrangement I would not expect either big to need to guard a wing (3) defensively. I see that second big, the more mobile one, guarding the opponents least quick forward who would be loosely described as a PF (4) rather than a wing (3) while Hugley defends the post (5). Against teams who play a 1-in 4-out using two wings (3s) I see Capel countering with a 1-in 4-out lineup with Hugley and/or another big defending the five.
In other words, IMHO, we may ultimately (but not right away) see a change from using a 1-in 4-out primarily (as in the past) with a 2-in 3-out used only rarely to using the 2-in 3-out primarily and going to the 1-in 4-out as needed against very quick opponents using the 1-in 4-out against us. With the drastic roster makeup changes in talent and numbers Capel has made we should have the flexibility to play either the 2-in 3-out or the 1-in 4-out as match-ups with different opponents and with changes within individual games as match-ups require.
We have no idea what Capel will come up with as to number of bigs on
the floor at once. He'll know after he gets them here and sees how
everyone meshes, or doesn't mesh.
One way obviously to avoid Hugley guarding a wing is to go zone
on the D end. If as you said, the opposition had a traditional power
4 forward on the floor, Hugley could guard him in a man D. At the
same time our 5 could guard their 5.
Personally I feel Hugley gives Capel some options. I gotta believe
he's gonna see time at the 5. I also believe Capel has promised
him time as a forward. How do know this? LOL...of course I
don't know for sure. I'm merely speculating that Capel during
Hugley's recruiting process told him he'd be given a chance
as a forward.
Capel had two ineffective 5's his first year, and two ineffective 5's
last year with a very inexperienced Coulibaly. He now has Brown
and Coulibaly with experience, and a major addition in Hugley. Throw
Amadason into the group and Capel has options he didn't have before.
There has been no indication lately that a grad transfer point of combo guard is still a possibility.
Still holding the last ship for Karim Mane? Or will Capel he keep it for next year? Or, will he still try and fill it with a 2021 who reclassifies?
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As usual we basically agree. Your last point had Brown and Hugley on
the floor at the same time. It would be interesting which of the two
would be inside. I could see Brown inside with Hugley playing a P4
role which would give him the opportunity to shoot out along
the baseline and even the side and corner. On the other hand, Brown
as you mentioned could also drift outside and hit that 10-15 ft.
shot (he has proven effective with his shot). They also could rotate
in and out of the post, both high and low. Are they good enough to
do these things? I have no idea at this point, but think it's a
possibility that Capel will probably explore. If they could do these
things we will be a far more dangerous team offensively.
If we don't get one of the players Capel is recruiting, then I hope we
do get that grad transfer combo guard. He doesn't have to be an
ACC starting guard. If he were an A 10 level or even less, I'd be happy.
He would be the fourth guard after X, Horton, and Odukale, sort of
an insurance policy. If Capel doesn't get the recruit he's actively recruiting,
a one year insurance policy with a grad transfer is better than having
the scholarship sit open. It won't affect next year's recruiting numbers.
I also realize that not many grad transfers would come here knowing
that he'd basically sit and be only a backup.
Yeah I think unless he gets Mane or someone becomes available in June after the vote on May 20th on the 1 time transfer rule. I wouldn't be surprised if he holds on to it until next yr because he said he doesn't want to just fill it just to be filling it.
