Vegas Rankings (PSU, WVU, and Pitt)

[GT74]

Interesting. Pitt is #25, Penn St #17, WVU #13. Pitt has played 6 top 25 teams in their rankings. Those are PSU, Miami #24, Ok St #23, NC #22, VT #19, and Clemson #5. Of course, money is in the balance with Vegas linemakers, who seldom are wrong, so their rankings and evaluations are credible.

 

[mcm265]

Of course, money is in the balance with Vegas linemakers, who seldom are wrong, so their rankings and evaluations are credible.

Common misconception is that Vegas oddsmakers are 'predictors' of games - which is not correct. They are trying to move wagers equally on both sides. If everyone is betting on Team A - Vegas moves the line in that direction to entice bets for Team B. To your point, Vegas is about money - and only money. They want to influence your bet and your bet only.

 

[PantherO]

Vegas sets the lines based on information of how others (the betting public) perceives each team. I would think the end results of this would produce fairly accurate rankings and should be used over the AP or Coaches poll. The betting public follows the teams more closely than the Coaches or pencil pushers who follow one or two teams a week. Though, doesn't take a rocket science to pick Alabama as #1, but let Vegas sort out 2,3,4 and we will have a good playoff.

 

[mcm265]

Vegas sets the lines based on information of how others (the betting public) perceives each team.

Key word here is "sets". Once posted, that line will move based on the action of the wagers. The end result is usually different from where it started. Vegas makes its money by being very good at setting that initial line.

But to your point, your correct - It's Alabama's world and everyone is just living in it. There will be upsets and chaos in the coming weeks which will makes this itiration of the rankings completely obsolete. But it's fun to talk about between weeks leading up to Saturday.

 

[mbe 34]

Interesting. Pitt is #25, Penn St #17, WVU #13. Pitt has played 6 top 25 teams in their rankings. Those are PSU, Miami #24, Ok St #23, NC #22, VT #19, and Clemson #5. Of course, money is in the balance with Vegas linemakers, who seldom are wrong, so their rankings and evaluations are credible.

check out Sagarin ranking and SOS
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

17 Ped State 29
19 WVU 38
35 Pitt 14
63 Duke 36

Pitt wins out they will break into the top 25.
To win 7-8 games this year is an improvement.
Narduzzi is doing a great job

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Interesting. Pitt is #25, Penn St #17, WVU #13. Pitt has played 6 top 25 teams in their rankings. Those are PSU, Miami #24, Ok St #23, NC #22, VT #19, and Clemson #5. Of course, money is in the balance with Vegas linemakers, who seldom are wrong, so their rankings and evaluations are credible.

Great Find and the Game Scores certainly back that up?

This is why I like reading posts on the Lair. If anyone knows the true value, ratings, and comparison between Teams it is Bookies and Line Makers, they make a living off of them, in real money, unlike the Sports Media like Ron Cook that have no interests in being right all, just looking for controversy to sell papers and worry about Radio Ratings.

The Sports Media Whores Peoples versus the Bookie Working People, give me the factual analysis of the Bookies every time.

Again, Nice Find! Thanks!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Common misconception is that Vegas oddsmakers are 'predictors' of games - which is not correct. They are trying to move wagers equally on both sides. If everyone is betting on Team A - Vegas moves the line in that direction to entice bets for Team B. To your point, Vegas is about money - and only money. They want to influence your bet and your bet only.

Agree, it is just the line but they still make money that way and America was founded on Money and only the Freedom to make Money! The NFL was founded by Bookies wanting to keep making more money!

Do you think Networks, Newspapers, and Sports Writers are about what something bigger? They care about Money as well.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

check out Sagarin ranking and SOS
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

17 Ped State 29
19 WVU 38
35 Pitt 14
63 Duke 36

Pitt wins out they will break into the top 25.
To win 7-8 games this year is an improvement.
Narduzzi is doing a great job

You know you make a good point and it is often measured by a qualitative analysis of just Wins versus Losses and that is reality that cannot be ignored.

Yet, anyone can see that Pitt's Coach Pat & Staff have changed Intangibles at Pitt on Attitude, Focus, Execution, Game Plans, Half-Time Adjustments, Film Room, and other things hard to measure from game to game, but the Recruits, Players, and Coaches are together far better than under Harris, Wannstedt, Graham, and Chryst as far as I can see form comparisons in the Past.

It is not just ACC Power Conference Money doing all of it either just plain out hard work from Coaches every day with Pitt Players buying into what they are learning, sharing, and practicing together.

This has not been seen at Pitt since 1970s-80s, in my observations and opinion.
Moreover, it does not sound like previous Coaches that came here to build a Program, Win, and then move on, they seem to want to come here, be here, and stay here?

This is another difference I see and only previously shown by Wannstedt but even he had trouble on Rebuilding the Program, Bad Game Plans, Half Time Breakdowns, Off the Field Problems, Budget Constraints, and of course fights with Steve Pederson?

Harris burned out, Haywood being just another Pederson Poor Coaching Pick, Pederson's Panic Graham Character Pick Flew to ASU, follow along with Chryst needing a break to become a Head Coach somewhere and then back to Wisky Movement help out Chryst & Wisky to save Pederson?

The difference can be seen in the Players Attitude & Every Day Deeds to become better, and Coaches Preparation seen on Game Day, and that is Night & Day!

 

[GT74]

Don't be fooled. Yes, Vegas is about money, but they know the strength of teams and where the line should be. Money will move the line. I personally know a guy who sets cfb and cbb lines in Vegas, and it is astounding how much he knows about the teams and where the lines should be, based on strength of the teams. I sat with him at the Hilton in Vegas one time, and he quickly noticed a sportsbook that gave a cbb line differently than he had put out, and told me what it should be and why. I listened, and bet the game. I won, lol.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Don't be fooled. Yes, Vegas is about money, but they know the strength of teams and where the line should be. Money will move the line. I personally know a guy who sets cfb and cbb lines in Vegas, and it is astounding how much he knows about the teams and where the lines should be, based on strength of the teams. I sat with him at the Hilton in Vegas one time, and he quickly noticed a sportsbook that gave a cbb line differently than he had put out, and told me what it should be and why. I listened, and bet the game. I won, lol.

Exactly, and the Book by Dan Moldea entitled "Interference" explains some aspect of it. One of the very Best Sources are Team Doctors or Team Trainers! Injuries knowledge plays a significant role in determining Games.

The Smart Coaches guard against that like Narduzzi, the Media hates it, but they go suck an egg! The Sports Media are necessary but they are really pawns of publicity and the best way to misdirect fans and bets! They will take freebies too. Many movies show it like The Natural and Eight Men Out?

Another example of it is when Joe Paterno took over Penn State Head Coaching in 1965, his first move was to go to City to City in the East setting up Hospitality Rooms full of liquor and food for Sports Reporters to come and enjoy. Joe would talk and introduce himself and ask if they would cover his Team in the Big cities since PSU was isolated in those days. Joe gave away free bottles too! It was smart move by a smart coach in those days when free booze was sign of friendship and influence.

This is the backside of coaching public relations just like at the Pennsylvania Society, Democratic & Republican State Committee where Candidates for Judge, Governor, and other Offices happen. Hospitality Rooms are the Special Interests Bait to gain votes and support. Last year Trump was at the Pennsylvania Society Gala Dinner and that was no coincidence!

Information that can help win is always in demand and long ears and deep pockets, hear them to gain an edge.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Please think of your lair mates and get us some sure bets.

Don't be fooled. Yes, Vegas is about money, but they know the strength of teams and where the line should be. Money will move the line. I personally know a guy who sets cfb and cbb lines in Vegas, and it is astounding how much he knows about the teams and where the lines should be, based on strength of the teams. I sat with him at the Hilton in Vegas one time, and he quickly noticed a sportsbook that gave a cbb line differently than he had put out, and told me what it should be and why. I listened, and bet the game. I won, lol.

 

[GT74]

Please think of your lair mates and get us some sure bets.

Lol. He has never told me who to bet, but in conversation, I get some ideas. Have won some money due to him, lol. True story, we were at a HS Christmas basketball tournament some years ago, and I brought up bowl games. After a few minutes of discussion, he named 3 underdogs he expected to win the game outright. Later I bet the three, and parlayed them. Guess what? All 3 underdogs won their game! When I go to Vegas, I naturally call to meet him to buy him some beers, knowing that I can squeeze some info out of him, lol. There are never guarantees, but some extra info never hurt.

 

[revampedpanthers]

Don't be fooled. Yes, Vegas is about money, but they know the strength of teams and where the line should be. Money will move the line. I personally know a guy who sets cfb and cbb lines in Vegas, and it is astounding how much he knows about the teams and where the lines should be, based on strength of the teams. I sat with him at the Hilton in Vegas one time, and he quickly noticed a sportsbook that gave a cbb line differently than he had put out, and told me what it should be and why. I listened, and bet the game. I won, lol.

Agree those guys are the best at what they do. If you want a committee to pick the teams just get a couple of vegas handicappers. Colin Cowherd always mentions where vegas has the teams. He has looked at the results year after year and he says they do a far better job than anyone else at their top 25. They don't move teams near as much based on one game.

 

[revampedpanthers]

Interesting. Pitt is #25, Penn St #17, WVU #13. Pitt has played 6 top 25 teams in their rankings. Those are PSU, Miami #24, Ok St #23, NC #22, VT #19, and Clemson #5. Of course, money is in the balance with Vegas linemakers, who seldom are wrong, so their rankings and evaluations are credible.

Sounds about right to me. think wvu is a little high but not much.